The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Q @ 4.21 Thanks for this Q – news to me.
“The Bureau’s investigations have established the identities of all but four of the 21 British passport holders who have lost their citizenship, and their subsequent fates. Only two have successfully appealed – one of whom has since been extradited to the US.
A law unto herself: How the Home Secretary has the power to strip British citizenship
The Home Secretary has sole power to remove an individual’s British citizenship. The decision does not have to be referred through the courts.
From the moment the Home Secretary signs a deprivation of citizenship order, the individual ceases to be a British subject – their passport is cancelled, they lose the diplomatic protections Britain extends to its citizens, and they must apply for a visa to re-enter the country.
The Home Secretary can only deprive an individual of their citizenship if they are dual nationals. The power cannot be used if by removing British citizenship it renders an individual stateless.”
– See more at: http://www.globalresearch.ca/strip-britons-of-uk-citizenship-then-kill-them-by-drone-strikes-after-passports-revoked/5324721#sthash.DqTHV9X6.dpuf
Strange knack I seem to have ….
Just watching 1998 film “Armageddon”. Amazing the speed of response to signs of aerial assault from asteroid shower – in vivid contrast to what actually happened three years later to real threat. That’s Hollywood for you.
Belize
I wonder about how many British passports are still circulating in Belize (former British Honduras). Must be a lot. I dont know but my strong guess is that 25-40 percent of the Belize citizens do still have a second (British) passport. It would be clever to issue British passports rather than Belize passports to Hezbollah. Since there are a lot of British passport holders in Belize and since there is a lot of secret murder and killings, I am sure that their government got access to still valid but unused British passports in Belize.
However, what not really fits is the matter of fact that the current Belize president – who is said (by Mcafee) to support Hezbollah fighters – is an Ethiopean Levite Sephardim Jew. Why would a Jew ever support Hezbollah? Would he?
Keep up the good work Marlin
1 Mar, 2013 – 8:03 pm. Isn’t it amazing how we are brainwashed to accept blanket camera surrveillance, yet whenever it could be helpful to show what actually happened, they have this strange facility to break down, or the people responsible for watching the monitors have inexplicable lapses. Even these excuses are just not credible in the Zygier case, nor can another prisoner be blamed. Only state officials could have gained access, only authorisation from the top would permit it. It seems quite possible the same people that carried out the Dubai operation carried out this one. Both victims show traces of tranquillizer, both are made to appear natural or self inflicted causes. The British and American experience has demonstrated in such cases the last thing the State wants is a judicial process that throws light on secret operations. As to Australia it is hard to work out how they were playing it and it shows parallels with the British over Al Hilli. A failure to overtly represent when incarcerated and ultimately to protect or subsequently to publicly protest, but never-the-less subtly (in the manner of Deep Throat) feed significant clues to the press that cause the story to come and embarrassment caused to the parties involved – in the case of Al Hillis France, in the case of Zygier Israel. Perhaps significantly in the case of the former, as far as I am aware WBM/British has never given any clues Israel was involved in Chevaline, unlike the Zygier case, but as I have previously suggested I am not convinced the two are unrelated, although it is said the ABC tip-off pre dates Chevaline. Ah yes but is this suggested timeline reliable though? There was time from September to January to put the programme together and might therefore have been part of the British/Australian response to Chevaline with a little disclaimer built in?
@ Q 1 Mar, 2013 – 5:35 pm
“Could the new nano drones carry antique Swiss weapons? I guess not.”
4 or 8 of the cooperative swarming drones you referenced could team up to lift a small gryo-stabilised weapons platform.
If Mexico has 13 year old assassins could France not have one of 15? I picture le jeune colossé, above Martinet on his motorbike, carrying out a remote-controlled shooting.
What better cover for a world-class assassin? Why did the media all refer to him as “gentle”? An odd description for a teen.
Come on Deep Throat, help us out here. Just the odd clue will do. Surely our persistence and tenacity has earned it, and we are both on the side of the Goodies surely?
Go to: http://www.marilynztomlins.com/articles/the-chevaline-shootings-saad-al-hilli-sylvain-mollier-brett-martin-philippe-didierjean-and-xavier-baligant/
Look at — “Oui 3-2-2013 at 00:55:15 @Peter”
Link to new info or non-info from EM.
I do hear that Iran have been altering their onboard (ship) transponders !
Google… “transponders hack iran”
I guess that takes knowledge, friends and payments.
Does smugling overland via Turkey not make so much cash money these days ?
I wonder if they have a kind of IFF mode 4 or 5 ID onboard ships ?
After all AIS (sea) is only suppose to be a form of TCAS (air).
NR
I found it. His name was Paul Tuohy.
He was working for Mr.Iraq Orphans.
However, meanwhile his linkedin page job history had being cleaned …
This was the original link posted by pink ( i believe):
http://www.cycling-challenge.com/col-de-cherel-col-du-plane-loop/
This is his now clean linkedin page:
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-tuohy/3/284/8b0
Somebody tried to push him from his bicycle in Dartford. A warning?
http://www.cyclecrank.co.uk/letters.htm
I have troubles to search this site. Can somebody help? The Tuohy links must be between page 50 and 60 on this blog.
The first link was posted for sure. The name Tuohy, too. And i am pretty sure that i mentioned Mr.Iraq orphans here in regards to Tuohy. Are you able to find this here and telling me the page? That would be great. I had thought back then that Tuohy could have been the address for Saad on Combe d’Ire, with Mollier being his guide. He just didnt come that far uphill ….
Ali al Hilli in Jordan would then link directly to Paul Tuohy in Combe d’Ire as they are in the same business.
Paul Tuohy
Here he speaks on Sky News about missing children:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYYde0uxD30&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Here he is mentioned in the last paragraph:
http://www.standard.co.uk/newsheadlines/mccanns-back-facebook-scheme-6655486.html
Paul Tuohy
He gave a statement regarding Eva Rausing’s “suicide” as she was giving great charities to his organisation.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/11/world/europe/uk-heiress-death?c=&page=1
And here is Andrew Tuohy. Not 100% confirmed yet whether or not he is his father.
Mr. Tuohy sen. lives in Melbourne and went to Monash university.
He was questioned in the Australian/Iraqi oil for food fraud as a representative of Melbourne’s branch of Arthur Anderson accountants.
http://au.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-tuohy/56/951/126
http://www.oilforfoodinquiry.gov.au/agd/WWW/unoilforfoodinquiry.nsf/Page/Report_Volume_5_Appendix_18.html
The Tuohy’s are getting more interesting, particularly because Paul had his house at Combe d’Ire …
Tim V 12:38 am
“A failure to overtly represent when incarcerated and ultimately to protect or subsequently to publicly protest, but never-the-less subtly (in the manner of Deep Throat) feed significant clues to the press that cause the story to come and embarrassment caused to the parties involved – in the case of Al Hillis France, in the case of Zygier Israel. Perhaps significantly in the case of the former, as far as I am aware WBM/British has never given any clues Israel was involved in Chevaline, unlike the Zygier case, but as I have previously suggested I am not convinced the two are unrelated, although it is said the ABC tip-off pre dates Chevaline.”
First – congratulations – I believe you beat me for single sentence length – that’s quite an achievement, you know.
Second, so glad to see you noticed that little latter day insert from the interview by Boremann – who claimed he got the first tip from a source in israel as far back as April 2012. I caught that right away.
@Tim V; ” Ah yes but is this suggested timeline reliable though? There was time from September to January to put the programme together and might therefore have been part of the British/Australian response to Chevaline with a little disclaimer built in?”
Indeed. it seemed almost deliberate., this little back-dating. here is my idea: it is possible that people in Australia – newspeople – have been digging here and there, since 2010. It is, however, simply not credible that one little tip – around April – from some ‘source”, sends an established journalist like Boremann on a wild goose chase without some assurance that this investigations will see the light of day. Such tips are provided all the time to journalists. however, it is highly likely that the investigation – if there was one going on at a low simmer level – went into high gear after september 5, 2012. Whatever discussions took place since and however the documentary material was put together, 4-5 months is about the time it takes to produce the program we saw. At some point along the way, Boremann must have gotten the green light to proceed in earnest, subject to certain “red lines”. One of which was to not disclose the name of the Italian company. I do believe that green light was given in September. I also believe the documentary was “cleared’ by the Australian intelligence.
Just stick to your hunch – even though the PTBs are scrambling to generate “plausible deniability”. We may never know for sure, but I feel – in my gut – the connection is there. let’s not forget that we have evidence that those who need to are riveted to this blog. personally I think they have plaques hanging especially for Bluebird and James’s research with daily group updates – following which special squads of “clean teams’ are dispatched online. Am getting the biggest kick out of imagining the flurry of activity in places entirely unknown to us. i do think it’s really unfair, that BB is not getting paid for valiant efforts (or is he/she?)…
An aside: anyone happen to have the exact date the abc documentary first aired in Australia? i seem to have misplaced the time….and am a tad lazy to look far and wide…
@Bluebird 3:00AM – I can’t believe it – yet another graduate of Monash University! what the heck? these Paul and Andrew Tuohy look definitely interesting. Si wonder what exactly attracted Tuohy senior to this Iraqi orphans project? a charitable instinct?
NR – 12:58 AM – thanks for all the updates from MZT. I am checking. BTW, I saw lars’ “reconstruction” of the Chevaline killings – he and Marilyn seem to be a tag team. Am tempted to do some deconstruction over there, but I think I’ll resist (for now). There are more holes in that recreation than bullets in an old Swiss gun’s chamber.
I have noticed that the one thing they don’t seem to talk much about is the strong evidence of a cover-up – all state sanctioned. No one addresses the mysteries of the disappearing histories of the victims or the non-existence of photos. Some on that blog – including the owner – seem rather eager to jump on the “lone gunman beyond the barrier” theory. I wonder why, when that is just about the least likely scenario. there must be a reason some are so much keener than others to trust one seriously hapless “investigator” Eric Maillaut. Curious to know what you think (don’t worry NR, you can tell me – i promise to keep it a secret – can always bury in one of Tim V or my interminable – but grammatically correct – sentences. Who would ever think to look? our secret fans?).
Marlin/Bluebird
Re Tuohy & Iraqi Orphans Project
It reminded me that:-
Posted on the original Al-Hilli thread:-
Mark Golding – Children Of Iraq Association
9 Sep, 2012 – 1:28 pm
Espionage is an ugly business. I cannot blame Mr Saad Al Hilli for supplying valid information on certain nuclear fusion techniques to Iran according to my source. I know of two more Iranians here in Britain on political asylum who are supplying British GPS satellite technology to Iran.
The 2003 Iraq war massacre of children convinced Saad not to cooperate with the British MI6 and become a patsy/cut-out to reinforce the Iraq nuclear WMD claims which were finally exposed as lies. Not only that he threatened to reveal British intelligence bribes and threats to secure his services, a red light and guaranteed ’16′ involvement after a nod from agent Cameron.
http://www.coia.org.uk/
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Later posts:-
Mark Golding – Children Of Iraq Association
9 Sep, 2012 – 3:09 pm
Anon,
Interaction of ultra-intense laser light with matter is used in fusion research. It requires the work of a first class CAD engineer as does implosion techniques. Also remember the Adlene Hicheur frame-up?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1219304/Big-Bang-scientist-planned-detonate-bomb-wipe-city-size-London-Al-Qaeda-terror-attack.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DPeter%2BAllen
Start thinking bat-man; I cannot disclose further, I am already a ‘conspiraloon’ who considers conspiracy truths not theories.
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Mark Golding – Children Of Iraq Association
9 Sep, 2012 – 4:40 pm
While colleagues and friends here consider these peculiar murders may I reflect Durak’s words, ‘this is a brutal callous’ establishment and I call apon history to reveal again that Her Majesty’s Secret Service maintained secret relationships with bin Laden and al Qaeda that served it’s interests.
MI6, actually funded and worked with al Qaeda in a plot to assassinate and overthrow Libya’s Muammar Qaddafy. Details of the relationship emerged after the domestic intelligence (MI5) officer David Shyler, went public with documents detailing the relationship between Britain and al Qaeda.
In November 2002, and in the wake of the attack on New York’s ‘twin towers’ as Shayler’s trial brought the case to public attention, Blair’s government invoked measures of the OSA to hide embarrassing information. PM Tony Blair issued a ‘D’ Notice requiring previously published news stories on the case be withdrawn and removed from public websites. Only an ‘Observer’ story remained [and was copied] that suggested the degree to which the government [and SIS] were exposed by the facts emergence.
I say this so young people here, future generations can indeed carrying on the fight against government lies and the deceptive ‘war on terror’ after I have gone.
God’s speed.
Translation from Google is a bit ropey for this news item(2nd item):-
http://www.crimesite.nl/nieuws/buitenland/25792-annecy-politie-wil-computer-data-al-hilli.html
What data is on American servers?
@Straw44berry “What data is on American servers?”
I fear this is a bit of a red herring for our Eric M to hide behind. There are so many ways to get data, should he really wanted them. For some reason, this smells to me like “deflection”>>>>
@ bluebird 2 Mar, 2013 – 3:00 am
Did you see this? Shows Paul as owner near bottom:
http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/france/fr5621.htm
Can’t help with that cycling site, it is strange navigation, I don’t see 50-60 pages, only a few messages.
The chalet at Le Chatelard is 22ml from Chevaline (via Lake Annecy)- 48minutes by car and 11ml walk via Combe d’Ire, Col de Cherel and Jarsy taking 3.5 hrs. ie its not in the Combe d’Ire. ie British family living on the edge of Chevaline isnt the Tuohy’s.
Le Chatox holiday chalet near Annecy is on the outskirts of Le Chatelard in the heart of the Massif des Bauges. owners tel no: Dartford UK dialling code. le Chatox.com
Paul works for Mentor UK, a drug and alcohol prevention charity, Wendy is a children’s nurse. We’ve been to most departments in France but the the Bauges National Park had a profound impact on us and we vowed to own a property there. Le Chatox is the result, completed in July 09. What a day that was! ownersdirect.co.uk
25-05-2010 Mentor UK is pleased to announce the appointment of Paul Tuohy as the new Chief Executive. As a charity, Mentor UK, focuses on the prevention of drug misuse in its efforts to promote the health and wellbeing of young people. Paul has spent over 25 years working in the not-for- profit sector. His previous experience was as Chief Executive at Missing People where he created one of the UK’s major success stories in re-organising and develop a charity. mentoruk.org.uk
Marlin 2 Mar, 2013 – 5:25 am
“NR – 12:58 AM – thanks for all the updates from MZT.”
I think the group at MZT is much more into solving an Agatha Christie type mystery, see what fits and what doesn’t. They also have a weapons expert or two over there. The lone nutter theory has been proposed and discarded and re-proposed several times.
Now the consensus is the killer was the on the motorbike. They rarely get into geo-politics and some that read Craig Murray from time-to-time say they can’t make sense of our stream-of-consciousness approach, considering everything and anything.
They did get into the changeable web pages, but mostly in regard to SM and relatives in France. I don’t think anyone trusts what EM says anymore than over here at CM, but they appreciate that at this point, under the French system, he is essentially a PR spokesperson for the two judges running the investigation.
Who knows what the motives are for changing reports on the direction of the investigation. Just to give the media something to quote, or is EM being directed by the judges or higher-ups?
@ Bluebird : Paul was in US at one time.
http://www.mbworld.org/forums/classifieds/191398-sale-1958-190sl-roadster.html
NR
Great find. So we shall find the president of the Penn State Chapter of the Mercedes Benz Club US, in 2002 Read more: http://mbworld.org/forums/classifieds/191398-sale-1958-190sl-roadster.html#ixzz2MNl3A3GN
He bought the Combe d’Ire chalet in 2007. However, the text does not say that HE was in the USA. It just suggests that the car was in the USA and that he needs the money for the chalet in France.
NR
Sorry, i was not explaining well enough the page “50-60”. I meant page 50-60 on CM here in this blog. I have a hard time to search in this huge CM blog. I would like to read again what we discussed about Tuohy here on this blog earlier. I remember that i did a background research for Tuohy and that i found Mr.Iraq orphans in that research for him. I am pretty sure that this was on his now cleared linkedin page but i am not 100% sure. Copying or linking those CM posts again here would be great.
Olifant
He says that there are 6 roads to access Le Chatox.
Could anybody find what 6 roads they are on google maps?
@ bluebird 2 Mar, 2013 – 11:56 am NR
He says, “…190sl has to go ‘back home to the US”. Why back to the US? Why not sell in UK or Europe?
“It was the best car buy I ever made. I shipped the car back.”
It reads like he was in the US and had car shipped back from there. If he was in the UK wouldn’t he say, “I had the car shipped over from the US? [just quibbling – he may only have been in US for car buying or vacation anyway]
I earlier did a find-in-page for all of Oct & Nov on CM. Nothing on orphans that applies. Interesting read of all the angles and dead-ends we’ve considered. Think it went up to page 37 or 38. Can’t do more.
Think it’s a good lead, esp. with the involvement w/ McCanns. First disapproves of disproportionate publicity and money they receive, then teams up in promotion. At least not connected to Kevin Halligen, though they’re mentioned separately in some stories.
Olifant
Le Chatox must be very close to the scene of the event. This group started exactly the same route from Doussard like Saad. See tge blue route kn the map and the description.
The forestry road climbs up the beautiful Combe d’Ire valley, accompanied by the noisy but scenic little Ire river. After just three kilometres the road is closed to cars – sweet. At times, this can be very steep with one full km at 12%, and with 5 kms to go the road becomes gravel and bumpy – hard work. But fun in this deserted mountain valley.
http://www.cycling-challenge.com/col-de-cherel-col-du-plane-loop/
And then Paul Tuohy replies:
http://www.cycling-challenge.com/col-de-cherel-col-du-plane-loop/
What a ride – and right past my house! You could have stopped for a coffee… and energy bar !!- that read like a tough one. We have the chalet know as Le Chatox, about 100 meters before the right turn at Le Chatelard for the Col du Plane. We rent it to cyclists and friends. I’ve reserved it for the week of the 21st and I’d like to give this ride a bash (or part of!).Paul
I am curious about what a car navigation would instruct you when you say “shortest route” instead of the fastest route selection. Does a navigator software know that this route is clised for cars? What software did he use? Tomtom? We can check with our navis from Doussard to his place. What route does it suggest when selected “shortest” ?
Related to JD/AC Norfolk Broads?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2286770/Expert-claims-NHS-ordered-cover-Hospital-hired-fiddle-death-figures.html
The readers’ comments are instructive:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2286953/British-spies-tempted-cut-corners-bid-catch-terrorists-foreign-agents-says-MI5-boss.html
Here is a good summary of Paul Tuohy’s previous jobs.
http://m.thirdsector.co.uk/article/622695/Newsmaker-Back-brink—Paul-Tuohy-Chief-executive-National-Missing-Persons-Helpline
No mention of Mr.Iraq orphans, however, i am 100% sure that i read it when i was searching for his background two months ago on CM. I am sure that i had mentioned this.
@Tim V 12:38 a.m.: I think part of the answer to your question might be found in the citizenship and passport issue. Deprivation of citizenship and revocation of passports without a hearing and public disclosure is legal in the U.K.. It can be done while someone is out of the country, thereby preventing their return and limiting any hope of appeal (and leaving their property in some sort of limbo). That facilitates rendition and worse by other nation states. All of this could explain a lot of what we have seen in terms of behavior by various governments in the al-Hilli case.
I have not researched the Swedish policies regarding revocable citizenship and passports. It is quite clear that Commonwealth countries are aligning their policies in such matters with the U.K. Here’s what’s happening in Australia:
http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Loss_of_Australian_Citizenship#Deprivation_of_Australian_citizenship_on_character_grounds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_nationality_law#Deprivation_of_Australian_Citizenship
http://www.immi.gov.au/legislation/amendments/2007/070701/lc01072007-05.htm
It explains the 1949 issue relating to Britain, and also how deprivation of citizenship affect minor children.
It seems possible that we could be looking at two cases that held the potential for deprivation of citizenship and revocation of passports. Commonwealth and common (or similar) policies.
Dual citizens cannot get help from consular officials if they run into trouble in one of the countries of which they hold citizenship under the Master Nationality Rule:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Nationality_Rule
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_nationality_law#Deprivation_of_British_nationality
However, that did not prevent dual Lebanese/Canadian citizens from being evacuated from Lebanon.
As for Ben Zygier, he was a citizen of Australia and Israel, as far as we know.
Who held what citizenship on that day in the mountains of France?