Shootings in France 479


Let me be upfront: none of my usual contacts, so far, has any knowledge about the very clinical murders in France of the Iraqi origin British Hilli family. I have seen various internet reports of the links of Mr Hilli to the defence industry and that the French cyclist victim was linked to the nuclear industry. I am not immediately concerned that the other cyclist who raised the alarm was ex-RAF; had that fact been sinister, it would have been hidden or he might not have raised the alarm at all.

In short, I really do not know what is happening here and I don’t think normal hierarchies within British security agencies know either. It may be genuinely random, or not. I am not posting to speculate or to spread knowledge, but because unless I do post, commenters will derail other threads to discuss this. Should I discover anything, I will let you know. But we may well never know; we still don’t really know who killed JFK, or Hilda Murrell. There is always an answer, but it is not always known to the public.

No excuse can justify the failure to identify and help the poor little girl who was still alive in the bottom of the car. Discovering if anybody was alive in the car should have outweighed every other consideration for the emergency services. Protocols for the dead will not help them much, whatever they may achieve for abstract justice. The living are easier to serve well, and this was a gross failure.


479 thoughts on “Shootings in France

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  • Bajer

    BBC News are saying: “Maj Chris Hunter, a former British Army bomb disposal expert, told the BBC that police may have found a improvised explosive device (IED) hidden or disguised in the home.”

    There are also reports of an electronically locked room with pipes leading to it. When I heard this, I thought that maybe the killers wanted to access this room and pressured Saad Al-Hilli for the access codes by threatening the 7 year old. “Tell us the access code or we will shoot your daughter!” “No.” Bullet to the shoulder…..etc. But I don’t think this is how it played out. The tyre marks and position of the BMW look like the BMW was blocked in very quickly with the rear wheels spinning in reverse. It probably all happened very quickly, with no Q&A session.

  • nuid

    So al Hilli now keeps a bomb at the bottom of the garden. At the house where his wife and children are living. LMAO

  • anders7777

    raf asset part of the hit team or the mr bean protection and defective surveillance.
    stayed to clean up for hit crew or engaged crew before they finished the job.
    royal airforce on a push bike is bullshit.
    even mr bean has a car.
    poxy french police know it was the iraqi’s bike but part of the bullshit cover.

    the kids head trauma and medically induced coma and use of SCOPOLAMINE is all you need for total memory loss.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3KMYWgiapg

    I’m with Tony, mostly. I also don’t buy the 8 hrs “missing time” for Zeena. I said yesterday I was thinking MK. RAFman had plenty of time to move Zeena before the Cops/Ambulances turned up. Assuming he was not alone. And I am hearing he had a chalet VERY close by. Even at 4, Zeena would have seen stuff. SDECE turn up much later, by which time they are in cahoots with MI6. Girl may also have been drugged, but at any rate she would have been under the care of a trick cyclist from the beginning, and no doubt Tavistock shrinks now. She could have been placed in the car after circa 7.5 hrs + by SDECE, who would have been managing things by then.

    Et voila, she is found at 8 hrs +/-

    Job done, 7 and 4 year old witnesses have complete memory loss.

    Maybe.

  • felix

    @Nuid – Good point….let’s not forget that the alleged younger woman was the only one in the car who didn’t need DNA identification. Allegedly.

    It is all being made up as they go along.

    From the video of the press briefing [transcript I made]:
    For a precise cause of death we must wait for the outcome of the autopsies which will take place at the Grenoble Coroner Friday afternoon I beleve…tomorrow afternoon. [the video must have been from Thursday.

    After the autopsies, Eric Maillaud corrects himself.
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtenwa_autopsies-show-victims-in-france-shot-in-head_news
    each of the four people who died suffered two shots to the head…Yesterday I said at least one…it’s two for each of the people who died…

    It is inconceivable that police did not spot two shots to the head of one of the alleged bodies in the car. Whether of not the body could be identified visually or require DNA identification.

    The associated video “France shootings: Three victims shot in head” seems to have been substituted by Peter Ricketts talking head.

  • nuid

    Are they going to try and turn al-Hilli into a “terrorist”?

    “It is inconceivable that police did not spot two shots to the head of one of the alleged bodies in the car.”

    Yep. Especially as I thought Maillaud said later they’d all been shot in the forehead. Two shots to the forehead would have been visible to anyone, plus a major exit wound from the back of the head.

  • felix

    Before it disappears – Eric Maillaud the Annecy prosecutor on three of the four victims (alleged) being shot:
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/344705
    Transcript: What we can say now is that three of the four people found dead were hit by projectiles, bullets to the head. Three out of the four For a precise cause of death…So three out of four people were hit by projectiles in the head….

    Pretty sure there.

  • anders7777

    Quick reality check.

    Which, if any, of the “facts” in the timeline have been independently – i.e. not directly from the police by named witnesses – verified? “Witnesses”, eg the mysterious bricklayers and RAF cyclist, can so easily be invented. Can anybody point me to any real evidence for anything which is alleged to have happened?

    Known facts: Mr Al-Hilli lived in Claygate, had certain business interests in the UK (which the press is strangely uninterested in), was on holiday at a campsite near Annecy, and his car is photographed from above by the press with shattered windows. Is that all?? We are all speculating on stories fed to the press in what seems to be a massive security lockdown. Think spies in bags, people found dead in woods.

    There was a chap at Icke who kept saying the same thing and I was shouting him down. Now I’m also wondering at just how big this circus is getting on the tee vee. Bradstone was his name. Here are his comments:

    NATO is engaged in a massive propaganda campaign up to 2030. They have openly admitted this. They won’t actually tell you it’s aimed at us, though. It’s obvious they want us to believe there are serial killers and paedophiles everywhere, so we look to the government to protect us.

    It’s really quite simple. It’s sustained, round-the-clock propaganda to smash down the mental defences of the populace, and force them to respect the police and army as the only arbiters of force.

    Edelweiss, why so quick to throw accusations around? Top military thinktanks openly admit that TV news is their main weapon – in their own research papers. It’s all out there now, in the public domain.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dubster
    Publishing a “made up” story on multiple websites is one thing.

    I’d like to see you crank it up a level and manage to get a “made up” story reported as the headliner on the national news, including footage direct from the crime scene and interviews with officers and officials involved.

    Give it a whirl. Impress me.
    That’s because blahblah doesn’t work for the government mate. You’re missing the entire point. The TV networks are part of the military intelligence network. ALL of them (perhaps with the exception of Syrian, North Korean or Zimbabwean TV). If you don’t understand that fact, it will seem like a crazy proposition. But once you actually come to terms with it, it becomes much clearer.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate
    The mayor said
    Haha. You actually think the local mayor is trustworthy? Mayors are almost always freemasons or involved a similar equivalent occult sect. That’s what the position is all about.

    That you immediately take the mayor’s word on trust, simply due to his position in the hierarchy, throws much doubt on your skills of deduction. To be honest, you failed completely at the first hurdle.

    All FWIW.

  • nuid

    MAJOR excitement building at Trafalgar Square, according to Sky News. MAJOR.

    “Keep it going with the bread and circuses lads”

  • felix

    @Anders7777
    That was my quote here, but I don’t comment at Icke. In fact, I hadn’t seen those Icke comments – too much to trawl through. It’s good to speculate though, but we have to check from what solid ground we are speculating. The spooks feed the media, who write it down. The sheeple consume it. The most interesting things are the inconsistencies and what is not asked or questioned by the supine MSM.

  • anders7777

    @Anders777: I don’t mind being called a Machiavellian Shill. Your contribution to a fascinating thread has been very good, and you are welcome. Doubtless you may think I have some Machiavellian reason for saying so

    Not QUITE my words, but thanks for the welcome:O)

    One thing I am is pretty honest, when writing those words I expected to have them thrown at me, so no big deal. I think you posted today that this blog was the third most influential? If so, well done that man! However, that could be looked at in another way – a useful tool for the spooks and Tavistock brigade to monitor the social mood, what’s being discovered and put together (i.e. this case!) and so on – I’m sure you can see that, although I’m sure it is not your intention.

    And so it goes…

  • anders7777

    @anders7777 – please be careful when quoting other people to make it clear it is a quote, otherwise it looks like you said it. Use the [blockquote] tags or quotes – I’ve fixed a couple of your posts now.

    Will try to but I’m mostly on an iPhone and it gets fiddly, will try and do so. If I paste in something useful (I hope), I try and leave 2-3 lines gap before my reply.

  • nuid

    Wider police cordon in Claygate now called off. They found electrical equipment etc in the shed, called in the bomb squad.

    Sky News now discussing that only ONE weapon was used in killings at Chevaline.

  • felix

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9532922/France-shooting-al-Hilli-family-neighbours-evacuated-amid-bomb-fears.html

    Reminds me of Tom Waits’ lyrics:

    What’s he building in there? What the hell is he building In there? He has subscriptions to those Magazines… He never Waves when he goes by He’s hiding something from The rest of us… He’s all To himself… I think I know Why… He took down the Tire swing from the Peppertree He has no children of his Own you see… He has no dog And he has no friends and His lawn is dying… and What about all those packages He sends. What’s he building in there? With that hook light On the stairs. What’s he building In there… I’ll tell you one thing He’s not building a playhouse for The children what’s he building In there?

  • felix

    @Nuid
    Yet, the Telegraph has just reported forensic analysis of cartridges found at the scene reportedly suggests they were fired by more than one person.

    So, is this the picture being painted…

    Identities of Casings found at scene (allegedly) – two? Bullets entering peoples heads (allegedly) – one?

  • anders7777

    @Anders7777: that was my quote here, but I don’t comment at Icke. In fact, I hadn’t seen those Icke comments – too much to trawl through. It’s good to speculate though, but we have to check from what solid ground we are speculating. The spooks feed the media, who write it down. The sheeple consume it. The most interesting things are the inconsistencies and what is not asked or questioned by the supine MSM.

    Agreed.

    I’ve always said, the first 24 hours are vital, because that is usually when you get fairly accurate reporting. Then the spooks come in and try and sanitise everything, and the story morphs hour by hour, false stories are planted, misdirections, false witnesses (The infamous “white car” – a la Diana! The motorbike – a la Diana! They DO SO MUCH like their jokes and hoodwinks!And to top it all off, the capstone becomes the two briclayers, the two MASONS (Jubela and Jubelo), geddit??? You gotta laugh at their CHUTZPAH, like the three hobos at the JFK hit, one of whom was a shooter, so is RAFman the third hobo? Is he Jubelum? [The third ruffian, named Jubelum, struck Hiram upon the forehead with a gavel, whereupon Hiram fell dead. His blood, therefore, was shed within the temple.])…

  • anders7777

    What’s he building In there… I’ll tell you one thing He’s not building a playhouse for The children what’s he building In there?

    His Stairway to Heaven, alas…

  • nuid

    “Identities of Casings found at scene (allegedly) – two? Bullets entering peoples heads (allegedly) – one?”

    Yes, the story is constantly changing. And not in tiny details, which might be expected, but in major facts.

  • Jon

    @anders7777 – fixed three more, to keep the thread readable. Just use quote marks if you don’t wish to use [blockquote], which I agree can be fiddly. Or, don’t quote at all – just address someone by @their_username, and people can scan up if they want to know what was said.

  • anders7777

    “He was driving as though he was in a car chase. That’s why he only saw me at the last second.

    “He gestured with his hands like he was desperate to get me out of the way. I see it happened just after 4pm because I looked at my receipt from the shop.”

    Too much detail for a split second encounter. Has fake written all over it.

    They luuuuv these white cars! And motorbikes!

    So this bint is nearly mown down by a white car coming DOWNHILL, away from the shoot, eh? What about the 4×4? 4x4s are pretty big, they ain’t going to escape to Switzerland across the mountains, although a good trail motorbike could. Presumably she was going UPHILL to the dead end, so what happened to the 4×4? Dark green 4×4 sounds like an MOD/Army Landrover. RAFman’s backup? Could be, but why mention it at all? Could be because RAFman was covering his bases in case REAL witnesses saw a 4×4, eh? The 4×4 could have temporarily moved the 4 year old too, if it was linked to RAFman. Lots of holes I know, but to be considered…

    Going where,exactly, with her groceries?? The car park at the end of the dead-end road?

    She was late for the paaaarty….

  • anders7777

    @anders7777 – fixed three more, to keep the thread readable. Just use quote marks if you don’t wish to use [blockquote], which I agree can be fiddly. Or, don’t quote at all – just address someone by @their_username, and people can scan up if they want to know what was said.

    I just did it again! OK I’ll use the ampersand.

  • anders7777

    @Nuid.

    Wider police cordon in Claygate now called off. They found electrical equipment etc in the shed, called in the bomb squad.

    Sky News now discussing that only ONE weapon was used in killings at Chevaline.

    LOL.

  • anders7777

    Some thoughts:

    After this debacle, what is in the UK’s best interests, assuming it was a cock-up from the start?

    If it is a Tavistock psyop from the VERY start, again, why did they do it, and what do they hope to achieve?

    I think the answer to both questions could very well be the same.

    If SAH was lured to Chavaline to be murdered, might the same mindsets have also planted “stuff” at his house to complete the job?

  • craig Post author

    I have started a new thread on this. You can move over there if you want. Or stay here. But many readers don’t tend to look too far down the blog (although thousands are still coming to this thread)

  • nuid

    “might the same mindsets have also planted “stuff” at his house to complete the job?”

    Latest from Sky News seems to be that they are discounting the “stuff”. He was the local Mr Fix it apparently “the kind of person would turn up with an angle grinder at 1am in the morning” or words to that effect.

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