Let me be upfront: none of my usual contacts, so far, has any knowledge about the very clinical murders in France of the Iraqi origin British Hilli family. I have seen various internet reports of the links of Mr Hilli to the defence industry and that the French cyclist victim was linked to the nuclear industry. I am not immediately concerned that the other cyclist who raised the alarm was ex-RAF; had that fact been sinister, it would have been hidden or he might not have raised the alarm at all.
In short, I really do not know what is happening here and I don’t think normal hierarchies within British security agencies know either. It may be genuinely random, or not. I am not posting to speculate or to spread knowledge, but because unless I do post, commenters will derail other threads to discuss this. Should I discover anything, I will let you know. But we may well never know; we still don’t really know who killed JFK, or Hilda Murrell. There is always an answer, but it is not always known to the public.
No excuse can justify the failure to identify and help the poor little girl who was still alive in the bottom of the car. Discovering if anybody was alive in the car should have outweighed every other consideration for the emergency services. Protocols for the dead will not help them much, whatever they may achieve for abstract justice. The living are easier to serve well, and this was a gross failure.
I’ve just released a few items from the queue – apologies for delay.
@anders7777 – if you’re copy-and-pasting from forums, bear in mind that some of your hyperlinks above are broken. One twitter link is wrong, and a Daily Mail link just goes to the homepage rather than an article.
I haven’t had time to read all of the thread yet, but has anyone considered it was the cyclist who was initially murdered and the family in the car were simply witnesses who were sucked into it?
Craig Murray wrote: we still don’t really know who killed JFK, or Hilda Murrell.
a) JFK was murdered by some chap called Lee Harvey Oswald.
b) Hilda Murrell was murdered by some chap called Andrew George.
Glad to be of assistance.
No one should take anything the BBC state ltd company says seriously – they are a joke and a fraud – more and more people are realising this fast and are refusing to pay to help prop up this pantomine news channel.
http://www.tpuc.org/stoppayingtvlicencefees
In other words, ENOUGH…
Steve Cook – Yes – been thinking that but there is still the problem of why the family were there. Of course it is just possible they could have got lost then found themselves in that dead end and witness to the cyclists shooting. If that is the case then it is unlikely someone in a car would have done it because the cyclist target could have gone off-road at several earlier points … so that leaves a cyclist or motorcyclist as the most likely assassin. I still think the fact that the family were in that lay-by is the most significant aspect of this case – the thing that stands out. The road is not scenic – dense trees line each side. Perhaps they were letting off one or more of the family for a hike but seems odd – three generations of a family (one 4 another 70+) at the start of a mountain trail … did any have walking boots or a bike?? There was talk in TV news reports of a picnic spot but I only remember them up le Charbon maybe a couple of kilometers and a good climb away. Of course thing could have changed since I was there.
Eric Maillaud is quoted as praised the UERC (Unnamed Ex-RAF Cyclist), saying: “His extraordinary conduct, testimony and bravery should be saluted. He’s someone with nerves of steel.”
Talk about ‘leaving no stone unturned’ eh?
The Brits have got to be on the list of suspects here.
Hi Jon
Thanks
Just wanted to get the info out, I realise the links mostly don’t work but they’ll point you mostly in the right direction
I suggest many of these links are going 404 anyway as we speak!
Eric Maillaud is quoted as praised the UERC (Unnamed Ex-RAF Cyclist), saying: “His extraordinary conduct, testimony and bravery should be saluted. He’s someone with nerves of steel.”
Talk about ‘leaving no stone unturned’ eh?
The Brits have got to be on the list of suspects here.
I’ve been posting here this evening for those interested in the agatha Christine aspects of the hit
I don’t claim to know what happened go sure
But a picture is emerging
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1061031851&posted=1#post1061031851
This incident bears all the hallmarks of an assassination but the BBC thesaurus doesn’t seem to contain the word. Instead it persists with it’s bizzarro insinuations about the al Hilli family..
The question one must ask is this, if he was being chased, why did he stop?
To me, it seems fairly certain that there had to be a technology transfer happening here at a prime smuggling location in the woods close to the Swiss border.
What are the Iranians making of this? Could this have something to do with the captured US drone
This assassination points to an intelligence service that believes in killing targets of minor threat level and killing innocent bystanders. There are not too many in the world who would dare to act this way, especially on french soil.
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Like the UERC, lol
I have been calling him RAFman
Seems more ABD more likely to me the guy was a spook tailing Sylvain and/or SAH and there was an almighty f**ckup
Hence the Brits scrambling all resources to bleach everything
Hopefully more will emerge
This incident bears all the hallmarks of an assassination but the BBC thesaurus doesn’t seem to contain the word. Instead it persists with it’s bizzarro insinuations about the al Hilli family..
The question one must ask is this, if he was being chased, why did he stop?
To me, it seems fairly certain that there had to be a technology transfer happening here at a prime smuggling location in the woods close to the Swiss border.
What are the Iranians making of this? Could this have something to do with the captured US drone
This assassination points to an intelligence service that believes in killing targets of minor threat level and killing innocent bystanders. There are not too many in the world who would dare to act this way, especially on french soil.
Last sentence. Precisely. I was wondering if Monsieur Hollande may put a spoke (spook?) in the works, but I rather doubt it.
An anon FYI
Just now on French’s Itele
“Father recently visited Iraq”
Another question: who is the older Swedish woman that was killed, I mean, they found her passport, didn’t they, so why no word?
Quoting: Aristide Torchia
Ok this is strange, they are saying the older woman was Iqbal al-hilli’s mother. but i’m sure the french prosecutor said yesterday that the 4 year old did not know who the older woman was and had only met her a few times.
Did anyone else see the press confrence? was I mistaken? I’m pretty sure thats what he said.
Quoting: THE DOGS BOLLOCKS
Thats correct. He emphasised this point, that the little girl said she had been on holidays with her parents and she didn’t know who the older woman was. I also found it strange that the Prosecuter d’Annecy again emphasised the point that they haven’t established the relationship of the older lady to the family nor have they managed to identify her identity despite having a Swedish passport.(false passport)
Another British family (at the campsite) reported the Al-Hilli’s missing. Were they travelling with them? Did they know the know the older lady? Was the older lady staying in the campsite with them? Didn’t appear so, if the 4 year old was unaware of who she is. I wonder if she is the key to all this and the 2 cyclists were just 2 unfortunates–one witness and one who happened upon them.
Also it is a well known fact that Rogatory interviews/inquiries take weeks to arrange….this one took 24 hours!!
There was no messing about on either the French/British side.
The first indymedia comment: “… in 2007 in a front company called AMS1087 which did aircraft based photography.” My italics here on ‘front’, this does suggest the aerial/satellite photography linkage is plausible cover for the idly curious and not an area in which he was truly involved, but that he worked in some entirely different field.
Amused by discussion of the relative fitness of the two cyclists, is it possible that the French ‘cyclist’ who overtook the RAF guy was possibly on the motorbike reported there? If it was the killers who used a motorcycle as secondary transport from the scene, then it might practically fix the number of suspects at two, more than that number leaving the scene by motorbike would be a neat but rather conspicuous feat, in the event the lead vehicle became disabled, the beemer as a weapon could have diced most little tinfoil hatches.
The helicopter bloke from the Israeli embassy could well have been part of the law enforcement/spook response to the incident, than making out like a bandit for Switzerland with the perspiring perps: Do come look what’s happened to the henhouse Mr Fox.
Very interesting Cryptonym. It’s been a very long day, no doubt more cock-ups will be revealed later (Sunday)!
Ok… i got it now.
The old Swedish lady was Anna Ardin in disguise and the ex-RAF guy was Douglas Dader afer cryongenic resuscitation.The French cyclist was Bernard Hinault in deep cover.
Any questions?
Ach..i jest,i jest,of course,it’s the only way i can cope with the evil.
A truly horrible scene.
@ Anders 7777,
Top sleuthing today fella…but:
If this blog wasn’t already crawling with spooks,trolls and hasbara it surely is now…lol
Only to be expected, lol.
Originally Posted by velma
The fact that intense gunfire was heard for less than 30 seconds – and it was so brutally effective – strengthens the theory of experienced hit men being responsible.
Mr Al-Hilli, 50, was initially shot once in the forehead as he sat at the wheel of the BMW estate car he had used to drive his family to a caravan holiday to Lake Annecy, in eastern France.
Then a second ‘coup de grace’ bullet was apparently used to make sure that Mr Al-Hilli was indeed dead.
This is the classic modus operandi of gunmen the world over who are contracted to kill people, whether working for criminal gangs, terrorist groups, or security services.
Mr Al-Hilli, his wife Ikbal, and her 77-year-old mother were shot twice through the car’s windows, with not a single bullet wasted.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti…#ixzz25uk4tiTE
This is bollocks.
Mr Al-Hilli, 50, was initially shot once in the forehead as he sat at the wheel of the BMW estate car he had used to drive his family to a caravan holiday to Lake Annecy, in eastern France.
Then a second ‘coup de grace’ bullet was apparently used to make sure that Mr Al-Hilli was indeed dead.
This is a load of old cobblers.
So a hit man walks up to the window and shoots SAH in the forehead, through the window, we know this from the mirror photograph. Beemer was a RHD, hole in the window was huge, because our hero RAFman sez he had to break the window to get in.
Another poster here speculated the large rock a few yards away.
This obviously does not add up at all, as the hit man would no doubt have blown an even bigger hole in the window to finish off SAH, and btw, no fucking double taps either.
The whole story is bollocks and bogus and a fairytale.
RAFman didn’t break any window at all, bullets broke them. He faffed around for ten long minutes.
Who was he calling? Why did his phone work in a telephone black spot? Was it a .mil secure satellite phone?
If “Mossad” did it, they would use 10’s…and “open” the window before making sure they achieved the task.
Kidon teams do not “open” windows, they walk up fast and shoot through the window point blank. Priority one is the driver so the car does not escape, whilst that was being done the windows were shot out on the other side, the front left in two places, and the rear left totally. Both shooting to avoid killing each other which is why the rear left windows are totally blown away.
Of course that is possible and even likely, even if a rendezvous was going down between Sylvain and SAH, the idea of an RV is normality, a passing cyclist having a rest after a long hill climb and having a chat with a holidaymaker – now think about it, the hit team knew the car was parked up, waiting, probably because the white car was nearby, if not also parked up. RAFman plodding up the hill lets Sylvain go by, reports later he was also overtaken by a dark green 4×4 AND a motorbike. The road is a dead end. Even the useless French prosecutor sez it was an ambush, which indeed it was.
RAFman’s actions simply do not fit whatsoever. He didn’t break any windows because the bullets did it already. If he is legit all he needed to do was push in the remains of SAH’s window with his elbow, no BREAKING needed, but of course the media are bigging him up as a hero when in fact he was very likely up to his neck in an enormous f***up!
Only the Brits could f***up in such a way!!!
In the photos of the car in the layby, why is the boot open?Anybody got any ideas?
No idea, I would think it MAY have been opened by the cops at the scene, seems rather off, the cops were under strict instructions allegedly not to disturb the crime scene whilst the Paris boys drove six hours to get there – hence the 4 year old “not discovered” – obviously the official story has more holes in it than Eric Bristow’s dartboard!
Perhaps it popped open as the Beemer reversed at speed into the hill behind? Could be that SAH was shot and his foot hit the gas as he died. This suggest a proper ambush immediately, as the engine would have been running. But I’d the 7 year old went for a wee, surely turn the engine off. Unless you wanted aircon. And if it was a real RV going down, SAH would have been nervous and backed into the spot, engine running for a quick getaway. Which suggests the Beemer was blocked in by the white car? Yet we have a 4×4 and a motorbike too, according to RAFman running up that hill. Which means there may have been 4 involved, not including RAFman, unless WHITECARman took out SAH alone, and was waiting for backup. Seems unlikely, there must have been at least two on the ambush to start with.
Why would Saad al Hilli take his wife, kids and mother-in-law along to a clandestine rendezvous to exchange intelligence or materials? That makes no sense.
Yes it does because who would think he was up to something, he took the family for a day out in the Alps. He sees Sylvain, he sez I’m getting out to stretch my legs, they have a meet on a mountain bike trail away from the car. I doubt for one minute he thought he would be ambushed or he wouldn’t have gone there. Apparently the family went there every year, a caravan, a property in France et cetera. If it was a proper rendezvous I would wager he planned on a quick walk whilst the women looked after the children.
Of course this is all supposition. But nobody can deny the facts ref Sylvain’s employers and SAH’s.
Why would Saad al Hilli take his wife, kids and mother-in-law along to a clandestine rendezvous to exchange intelligence or materials? That makes no sense.
They might be exchanging a computer stick, not materials. Check out their connections to EADS.
But nobody can deny the facts ref Sylvain’s employers and SAH’s.
Which makes it consistent with the dozens of other mysterious deaths of scientists working on secretive defence projects, except that they were all mostly staged to appear as bizzare “suicides” and none of their spouses or other family members were harmed. This apparent ambush is a totally different modus operandi.
Which makes it consistent with the dozens of other mysterious deaths of scientists working on secretive defence projects, except that they were all mostly staged to appear as bizzare “suicides” and none of their spouses or other family members were harmed. This apparent ambush is a totally different modus operandi.
Yes I agree, the MO in this case is savage, sending out a message – but hey, we are about to get dragged into an Iran war, these are high stakes. Could be the Iranians as posited before? Or more Machiavellian, Mossad pulling another one of their misdirectional psyops? At any rate, Israel benefits here, one less very clued up Arab scientist…
Lol, the mail must be stealing info from this thread because the EADS connection has been here for circa 48 hrs.
Now the People are stealing stuff from this thread
Oh well, it just goes to show WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!!!
Well done all!
Nothing on the Sunday Times about Israeli hit men – just two hit men. However, the front page of The People does mention a Nuke link, which would contravene the D-notice. Although, the media are not obliged to obey D-notices, and The People may be of the opinion that this info is going to get out, so they may as well jump the gun.
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/244532749824839680/
Originally Posted by jane smith
sylvain mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called cezus, which processes and fabricates zirconium metal in zircoaloy – used in nuclear fuel assemblies , it also has other aerospace applications such as cermaics for missiles. Mr al-hilli was also a skilled engineer in aerospace, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination and be found by an raf person?”
Quote:
Originally Posted by earthenigma
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/29/s…kicks-in-21-m/
Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd. (SSTL) has plans to beef up planetary monitoring capabilities with its new NovaSAR satellite, and the company just received £21 million from the UK government to make it happen. NovaSAR works using synthetic aperture radar, so it can see through clouds (unlike optical satellites) and offers its services for £45 million — or 20 percent of the cost of existing space radar platforms. With governmental funding in hand, SSTL can begin to develop and build its first such satellite, and the plan is to put it in orbit in two or three years. If NovaSAR does what it’s been designed to do, SSTL hopes it can sell and launch enough of them so that any place on earth can be under its gaze in less than 24 hours. We’re all for improving disaster relief efforts, but if you spy these sats overhead on a clear night, we recommend keeping an ear to the ground in case they’re guiding an army of Alpha Dogs your way.
SSTL Completes NovaSAR-S Development Phase
October 5, 2011
[Satellite TODAY 10-05-11] Satellite manufacturer Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd. (SSTL) has completed the development phase for its Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) satellite system, NovaSAR-S, the company announced Oct. 4.
SSTL said the system was designed to offer customers coverage of any spot on Earth in all conditions, including through cloud cover and in both day and night. The NovaSAR-S combines SSTL’s 300 platform with an S-band SAR payload developed in collaboration with Astrium , who will be responsible for supplying the payloads.
“The challenge has been accommodating the power and processing requirements within a small, low-cost satellite platform. NovaSAR-S’s 3m x 1m phased array antenna was developed by space-borne SAR specialists at Astrium Ltd, and has now been successfully trialled using an airborne demonstrator,” SSTL said in a company statement.
The SSTL-300 platform hosting the payload is an adaptation of SSTL’s very-high-resolution imaging NigeriaSat-2 mission, which was launched in August.
http://www.satellitetoday.com/st/hea…ase_37634.html
Space-borne SAR=Spaceborne Synthetic Aperture Radar
There must have been more than one gunman. One victim could have been shot in the head twice. The other two would not sit there waiting to be shot in the same fashion. The instinct would have been to duck down for cover.
Anyway as someone said much earlier on this thread, we will never be told the truth.
Angry ‘Craig Murray wrote: we still don’t really know who killed JFK, or Hilda Murrell.
a) JFK was murdered by some chap called Lee Harvey Oswald.
b) Hilda Murrell was murdered by some chap called Andrew George.
Glad to be of assistance.’
Wrong.
Try reading ‘A Thorn In Her Side’ written by Hilda Murrell’s nephew, Commander Robert Green RN. There you will find the truth.
http://hildamurrell.org/