This statement was written by Irmeli Krans, a Swedish police officer, on 20 August 2010 and amended on 26 August 2010. It purports to be the record of an interview with Sofia Wilen, but Sofia Wilen refused to sign the statement and has not done so to this day.
It is nevertheless this unsigned statement which the British High Court stated contains an allegation which would, if true, amount to rape. Some may recall that fact being triumphantly and aggressively read out to me on Newsnight by Gavin Esler, with no mention that the statement referred to had never been signed by the “complainant”.
The Swedish prosecutor, Marianne Ny, had told the British High Court that even though the statement was unsigned, it was valid as evidence under Swedish law (it would not be under British) because the interview was conducted before two witnesses, Irmeli Krans and Anna Ardin.
Contrary to police protocol in virtually every developed country, including Sweden, the interrogation although in a police station had neither been audio recorded nor video recorded. Irmeli Krans has claimed she could not find a working dictaphone – in a major Stockholm police station that does of course have video-taping facilities.
Irmeli Krans and Anna Ardin had known each other for at least two years before they were present together at the police interview of Sofia Wilen. They had been on the same ballot paper as candidates for the same political party in a council election. They were facebook friends and had exchanged messages on a relevant subject, the abuse of power by white men:
Irmeli Krans to Anna Ardin April 2009:
Hello! Thanks for the compliment. And like you say, white men must always defend the right to use abusive words. Then they of course deny that these very words are part of a system that keeps their group at the top of the social ladder.
I will analyse Anna Ardin’s behaviour in detail in a further post in a few days. According to Ardim, Sofia Wilen contacted her concerned that unprotected sex with Assange may have given her a sexually transmitted disease. Rather than take her to a medical facility, Ardin took Wilen to a police station, under the pretext that the police might be able to compel Assange to take an STD test – which even in Sweden must be an extraordinary proposition.
Ardin did not take Wilen to the nearest police station. She took her right across Stockholm to the police station where Ardin’s friend, lesbian feminist campaigner Irmeli Krans, was serving. They arrived at 2pm and rather than see another officer, they waited two hours until Krans came on duty. Then Ardin was present throughtout Krans’ interview of Wilen – which appears to have very much informed Ardin’s presentation of her own subsequent allegation against Assange. Ardin’s “assault” by Assange took place several days before the Wilen “assault”, but was not reported by Ardin until two days after she had sat through Wilen’s interview with her friend Krans.
And always remember, Wilen refused to sign the resulting statement, given here, as a fair account of what occurred.
Statement of Irmeli Krans
Following is Krans’ interrogation of Sofia Wilén 20 August 2010, subsequently modified by Krans 26 August 2010.
Background
Sofia says she saw an interview a few weeks ago on TV with Julian Assange who is known to be behind the WikiLeaks publication of US military documents from Afghanistan. Sofia thought he was interesting, courageous, and admirable. For the next two weeks she watched the news carefully, she read a lot of articles, and saw interviews. One evening when she sat at home and Googled the name Julian Assange she discovered he was invited to Sweden to hold a lecture arranged by the social democrat brotherhood movement. She posted a message to the brotherhood press secretary Anna Ardin whose contact details she found on their website and asked if he would be coming to Sweden and if she in such case could attend his lecture. She offered to help out with practical details in return. Anna Ardin replied that she’d forward her message to those in charge.
But Sofia got no further reply and suddenly one day she saw an ad with the time and place for the lecture. The lecture was to be held in ‘LO-borgen’ at Norra Bantorget Saturday 14 August. She rang those in charge on Friday and asked if it was OK to attend. She was told she was one of the first to apply and it’d be OK. She took the day off from work and went to LO-borgen on Saturday. She saw a woman who she presumed was Anna Ardin standing outside LO-borgen and went up to her and introduced herself. Anna told Sofia that she was on the list so she was welcome to attend. At the same time the lecturer himself, Julian Assange, approached with a man in his 30s. She got the impression the man was Julian’s press secretary or something similar. Julian looked at Sofia as if he was amused. She got the feeling he thought she didn’t belong there in her shocking pink cashmere jumper amongst all the other gray journalists.
The Lecture
She sat at the far right front when she entered the venue, the lecturer would stand all the way to the left. The room seemed full of journalists. A half hour before the lecture was to begin, Anna approached Sofia and asked if she could help buy a cable for Julian’s computer. They needed a cable and Sofia had offered to help out. Sofia went up to Julian to ask what type of cable he needed. He explained what he needed and then wrote it down on a small piece of paper. She took the paper and placed it immediately in her pocket. Julian looked contemptibly at her and said ‘you didn’t even look at the note’. She told him she didn’t need to as he’d already explained what type of cable he needed.
She took a cab to the ‘Webhallen’ boutique on Sveavägen but they were closed. The time was 10:30 and the store would open first at 11:00. But that’s also when the lecture was scheduled to begin, so Sofia started feeling stressed. The cabbie drove her instead to the Haymarket where she purchaed two types of cable for safety’s sake. She got back in time, she had the right type of cable, but she wasn’t thanked for her help by Julian. The lecture went well.
The Lunch
There were many journalists who wanted to interview Julian after the lecture. Sofia stayed around because she too wanted to speak with him. She asked Anna if this was possible and Anna said Julian would stand outside the entrance to LO-borgen to be accessible to the public in case anyone wanted to ask him questions. Sofia went out and sat in the shade and waited for the interviews to be over. There were more interviews outside. Sofia approached LO-borgen again and overheard that the brotherhood people were going to treat Julian to lunch. Sofia asked if she could come along too, after all she’d helped them with the cable. She was invited and went together with Anna, Julian and his entourage, and two members of the brotherhood to a restaurant on Drottninggatan across from the Central Bathhouse. She ended up next to Julian and started talking with him. He looked at her now and again during the lunch. On one occasion when he put cheese on his knäckebröd she asked him if it tasted good and then he reached over with his sandwich and fed her with it. Later during lunch he said he needed a charger for his laptop. She said she could get one for him, after all she’d got the cable for him earlier. He put his arm around her and said ‘yes you gave me the cable’. Sofia thought this was flattering for it was obvious he was now flirting with her.
The others left after lunch, leaving only Sofia, Julian, and Julian’s companion. They went off together to buy an electric cable for Julian’s computer. ‘Kjell & Co’ didn’t have the product, so they went on to Webhallen but it was closed again. They walked back on Sveavägen towards the Haymarket and talked about what they’d do next. Julian’s companion asked him if he wanted to come along and help move furniture for his parents and Sofia offered Julian a visit at the natural history museum where she worked. It was decided Julian would accompany Sofia to the museum and his companion left them. Julian and Sofia went into the Haymarket subway station where she purchased a blue access card good for the day as he didn’t have the monthly commuter card and no money either as he said. They took the train towards Mörby Centrum and stepped off at the university stop. A man in the subway recognised Julian and told him how much he admired him.
The Natural History Museum
On the way from the university subway station Julian stopped to pet a few dogs, which Sofia thought was charming. In the museum they went to the staff room where Julian sat down and starting surfing the net, he was looking for tweets about himself. They sat there waiting for a film that was to be shown at Cosmonova at 18:00.
They were let into the cinema by Sofia’s colleague and Julian held Sofia’s hand. In the darkness of the cinema he started kissing her. A few latecomers arrived and sat behind them and so they moved to a row at the back. Julian continued kissing her, touched her breasts under her jumper, undid her bra, unbuttoned her pants, caressed her buttocks, and sucked her nipples. He muttered about the armrest being in the way. She was sitting in his lap when the lights went on and he tried to put her bra back on. She thought it embarrassing to sit there in view of her colleagues who she knew could have seen it all.
They went out through the inner courtyard and she went to the toilet. When she came out, he was lying on his back on a picnic table resting, he said he was very tired. He was supposed to be at a crayfish party at 20:00 and wanted to sleep 20 minutes before leaving. They lay down together in the grass next to each other and he had his arm around her. He fell asleep and she woke him twenty minutes later. Then they promenaded over lawns, passed cows and Canadian geese, he held her hand, it was wonderful in all possible ways and he told her ‘you’re very attractive to me’. He’d also told her in the cinema she had pretty breasts. She asked him if they’d meet again. He said of course they would, they’d meet after the crayfish party.
She accompanied him to the Zinkensdamm subway station where he caught a cab back to Anna Ardin’s where the party was to take place. He gave her a hug and said he didn’t want to part from her and encouraged her to charge her cellphone. She went home to Enköping, arriving at home at 23:00. She had a voice message waiting from Julian from 22:55 when she’d recharged her phone, telling her to ring him when her phone was working again. She rang back at 23:15, realising he was still at the party. She’d developed a stomach cramp from a sandwich she’d eaten on the way home and told him she wanted to go to bed. He insinuated it wasn’t about stomach cramps as much as a feeling of guilt.
On Monday
She rang Julian twice on Sunday but his phone was turned off. She told her colleagues at work on Monday what had happened at the weekend. They told her Julian felt dumped and therefore hadn’t rung back so that the ball was in her court. She rang him and he answered. She asked if they should do something together. He said he’d be at a meeting which could take a long time up until 20:30 but he could ring her back later. He also asked about her stomach cramps. He insinuated she’d lied about her cramps and he used the third person to tell her. She promised to wait for him so after she finished work at 19:00 she went to Kungshallarna and had sushi. Afterwards she strolled about town and ended up in the old town where she rang him back at 21:00 when he still hadn’t got back to her, asking what was going on. He said he was in a meeting in Hornsgatan and he wanted her to come there. She got the address and went there. She couldn’t find the address when she arrived, rang Julian, and spoke with a man who spoke Swedish who explained she was to get in through a side entrance. She stood there and waited for him when he came out together with a another man, they said goodbye to one another and looked very happy.
Julian and Sofia walked up Hornsgatan towards Slussen and from there to the old town. They sat by the water at Munkbroleden and he commented on girls who sat there as ‘lonely and abandoned’ and who ‘probably need saving’. They lay down and starting making out, heavily. Amongst other things he put his hands under her jumper and when they left the area she noticed people were looking at them. They decided to go home to her place. They went into the subway where his card was now invalid and she got him through by swiping her own card twice. They took the train to Enköping from the central station, she paid for the tickets, SEK 107 (~$10) each. He claimed he didn’t want to use his credit card, he didn’t want to be traced. They sat in the direction the train would move all the way back in the car. Julian connected his computer and started reading about himself on Twitter on the computer and on the phone. He devoted more attention to the computer than he did to her. She’d suggested they take in at a hotel but he said he wanted to see ‘girls in their natural habitat’.
To Enköping
It was dark when they got off the train and they passed old industry buildings where he went off to pee. She also took a pee. When they arrived at her flat she went in before him into the bedroom to clean up a bit before he saw it. They took off their shoes and the relationship between them didn’t feel warm anymore. The passion and excitement had disappeared. They made out in the bedroom but she wanted to brush her teeth. It was midnight, pitch black outside, and they brushed their teeth together – it felt banal and boring.
When they want back in the bedroom Julian stood in front of Sofia and grabbed her hips and pushed her demonstratively down on the bed, as if he were a real man. He took off his clothes and they had foreplay on the bed. They were naked and he rubbed his penis against her nether regions without penetrating her but he got closer and closer to her slit. She squeezed her legs together because she didn’t want sex with him without protection. They carried on for hours and Julian couldn’t get a full erection. Julian had no interest in using a condom.
Suddenly Julian said he was going to go to sleep. She felt rejected and shocked. It came so suddenly, they’d had a really long foreplay and then nothing. She asked what was wrong, she didn’t understand. He pulled the blanket over himself, turned away from her, and fell asleep. She went out and got her fleece blanket because she was cold. She lay awake a long time wondering what had happened and exchanged SMS messages with her friends. He lay beside her snoring. She must have fallen asleep for later she woke up and they had sex. She’d earlier got the condoms and put them on the floor by the bed. He reluctantly agreed to use a condom even if he muttered something about preferring her to latex. He no longer had an erection problem. At one point when he mounted her from behind, she turned to look at him and smiled and he asked her why she was smiling, what she had to smile about. She didn’t like the tone in his voice.
They fell asleep and when they woke up they could have had sex again, she’s not really sure. He ordered her to get water and orange juice. She didn’t like being ordered in her own home but thought ‘whatever’ and got the water and juice anyway. He wanted her to go out and buy more breakfast. She didn’t want to leave him alone in the flat, she didn’t know him well enough, but she did it anyway. When she left the flat he lay naked in her bed and was working with his phones. Before she left she said ‘be good’. He replied ‘don’t worry, I’m always bad’. When she returned she served him oatmeal, milk, and juice. She’d already eaten before he woke up and spoken with a friend on the phone.
The Assault
They sat on the bed and talked and he took off her clothes again. They had sex again and she discovered he’d put the condom only over the head of his penis but she let it be. They fell asleep and she woke by feeling him penetrate her. She immediately asked ‘are you wearing anything’ and he answered ‘you’. She told him ‘you better not have HIV’ and he replied ‘of course not’. She felt it was too late. He was already inside her and she let him continue. She couldn’t be bothered telling him again. She’d been nagging about condoms all night long. She’s never had unprotected sex. He said he wanted to come inside her, he didn’t say when he’d done it but he did it. There was a lot running out of her afterwards.
She told him what happens if she gets pregnant. He replied that Sweden was a good country for raising children. She told him jokingly that if she got pregnant then he’d have to pay her student loans. On the train to Enköping he’d told her he’d slept in Anna Ardin’s bed after the crayfish party. She asked if he’d had sex with Anna but he said Anna liked girls, she was lesbian. But now she knows he did the same thing with Anna. She asked him how many times he’d had sex but he said he hadn’t counted. He also said he’d had a HIV test three months earlier and he’d had sex with a girl afterwards and that girl had also taken a HIV test and wasn’t infected. She said sarcastic things to him in a joking tone. She thinks she got the idea of taking the drama out of what had happened, he in turn didn’t seem to care. When he found out how big her student loan was he said if he paid her so much money she’d have to give birth to the baby. They joked that they’d name the baby Afghanistan. He also said that he should always carry abortion pills that actually were sugar pills.
His phone rang and he had a meeting with Aftonbladet on Tuesday at noon. She explained to him that he’d not make the meeting on time and he pushed his entire schedule forward an hour. Then they rode her bicycle to the train station. She paid his ticket to Stockholm. Before they parted he told her to keep her phone on. She asked if he’d ring her and he said he would.
Afterwards
She rode her bicycle home, showered, and washed her bed sheets. Because she hadn’t made it to work she called in sick and stayed home the whole day. She wanted to clean up and wash everything. There was semen on the bed sheets, she thought it was disgusting. She went to the chemist’s and bought a ‘morning after’ pill.
When she talked with her friends afterwards she understood she was the victim of a crime. She went into Danderyd hospital and went from there to the Söder hospital. There she was examined and they even took samples with a so-called ‘rape kit’.
Forensic Certificate
Sofia gives her permission for obtaining a forensic certificate.
Claimant Counsel
Sofia desires a claimant counsel she will identify later.
Sundry
Julian says his name is Julian Paul Assange and was born 31 December 1971.
Interrogator’s Comments
Sofia and I were notified during the interrogation that Julian Assange had been arrested in absentia. Sofia had difficulty concentrating after that news, whereby I made the judgement it was best to terminate the interrogation. But Sofia had time anyway to explain that Assange was angry with her. I didn’t have time to get any further details about why he was angry with her or how this manifested itself. And we didn’t have time to get into what else happened afterwards. The interrogation was neither read back to Sofia nor reviewed for approval by her but Sofia was told she had the opportunity
to do this later.
More on 4Corners ignorance of a Red Notice;
4Corners misunderstand what part a Red Notice plays in extradition. The English police indeed knew where Assange was. However, they had no cause to arrest him, as he had broken no English laws. They would only arrest him if they had the legal authority to do so. That legal authority comes by a request for his arrest by another police force. A Red Notice is merely the mechanism for communicating that request. It is no more and no less than that.
The media indeed like to talk of “international Interpol manhunts” and even “Interpol raids”. While dramatic, this is absolute nonsense. Interpol are an inter-police messaging service. They do not have the power to arrest, nor do they employ anyone who does any searching. All they do is send police forces a message. Those police forces do the searching and the arresting.
I hope that clarifies for you.
@Villager – To be fair and honest, Goran is a troll on steroids. I know what a troll looks and sounds like just like I know what a duck looks and sounds like. There is no other species of commentator that can be confused with a troll.
Goran has found his raison d’etre on the internet. What might have started off as an obsessive hobby for a lonely, retired man, is now a remaining-life consuming crusade. He would feel entirely at home with Moon-Landing Hoaxers and 9/11 Truthers. It’s his reason for rolling out of bed at 11am.
His rambling missives, bloated with opinions, excited conjecture and overt propaganda, are textbook symptoms of a form of psychopathology that I scientifically refer to as Internet Crackpot Syndrome. You see these weirdos everywhere on the interblog. They have all the energy, commitment and usefulness of Chinese circus performers but with none of the charm and colourful costumes.
More info on Goran for his fans here …
http://rixstep.com/1/1/20110308,00.shtml
Rico, thank you for that link to the Strandberg article.
I am glad to read that there is a sane voice around. Everyone here should read it.
Jemand
Thanks for Rixstep link on Goran Rudling. No need to waste energy on this spent force.
The case itself has changed lanes. In the dock is now the Swedish state and the international community is waiting for them to take rational and proportional measures to sort this out. The Swedish state has got the message. In the developing world there is outrage at the behaviour of this state in the so called case against Assange. The lap dog behaviour of a state that is associated with the prestigious Nobel prizes is an outright disgrace.
@Jemand 10 Sep, 2012 – 6:00 am
Very funny and very true.
Yes, Goran clearly has mental health problems.
I think that the Göran Rudling inhabiting this blog is trying to get the real Göran Rudling a bad name! Someone has stolen the real Göran Rudling’s identity. And that is a crime.
This is what the real Göran Rudling said about Anna Ardin’s statement.
“Anna’s remarkable story about the events on Wednesday August 18 is just additional compelling evidence that the Anna’s story of sexual assault is made up. It is proof that nothing had happened before Wednesday August 18 and that nothing happened on Wednesday August 18. It just proves that Anna’s story is a deliberate and calculated lie. And that the police and the prosecutors are sleeping.”
Can these two people be the same?
Hi John G, are you asking that as a serious question? Anyway, why are we making Goran Rudling the story?
Anyway, lets reconcile this about GR:
– He is solid on the Assange case, insofar as the facts are known in the public domain, he knows his onions
– He was real-time witness to AA’s deletion of her tweets and therefore destruction of evidence. He is a witness in the case
– He has little tolerance for people who haven’t researched the literal facts
– He is prepared to respond vociferously if you step into speculation
– He has a tendency to call a spade a bloody shovel in personal conversations, but one hasn’t seen him do that within his analysis of the case itself
– He doesn’t believe that Sweden will extradite him to the US. it is not impossible that he is wrong.
– He believes that Assange, supported by poor advice, has followed the wrong strategy from the start. That this whole case could’ve been nipped in the bud. It is not impossible that he’s right.
(Personally i think Assange should’ve dropped his ego, and whatever he was doing, and gone along with SW on that Friday morning or earlier and taken an HIV test. He should also have been in contact with SW after leaving her flat, if not for good etiquette, to know her mind and save his ass.)
Villager, I would add that GR is a highly intelligent man, a man who can converse and write in English as well as in Swedish, and perhaps in other languages too. His statement favours Assange against his accusers, and he has a lot of knowledge of the case. I do not think he wants Assange to be found guilty on false sexual allegations nor extradited to the United States. However, as I have written, the deal has already been done by Hague because Hague and his US masters need Assange and Wikileaks off the scene when they start the NATO extermination of Syria and Iran, the last two countries on the New World Order hit list. Wikileaks has made the UK/US alliance look like Nazi Germany in the early forties. All these people Bush, Blair, Cameron, Obama, Straw, Clinton, Perle, Cheyney and their advisors should face charges of serious war-crimes. There is nothing to stop Julian Assange being interviewed in the UK but that does not facilitate his extradition to the US. And that is why they want Assange to answer questions in Sweden, where, I’m sorry Göran, they would extradite him. I understand your faith in your country’s judicial system, Göran, but they do hand people over to the CIA for torture as I linked earlier.
http://www.hrw.org/news/2006/11/09/sweden-violated-torture-ban-cia-rendition
John G, point noted. It is not impossible that you are right.
You are definitely right about Bush and Blair, and Cheyney…how could you miss the evil Rumsfeld?! The UK-US ‘special relationship’ is very unhealthy.
Villager, the list goes a long way past Rumsfeld. But yes I should not have missed him. Or the others.
I think it can require both a fair amount of courage and intellectual bravery to dare analyse and question the system one is oneself an integral part of, and a further amount of integrity to be able to do it with honesty and rigour. That is one of the reason I find it so incredibly useful and helpful to attentively listen to outside views, or at least be humble enough to politely respect a difference in opinion.
And maybe I have the advantage over GR due to my own personal experiences and knowledge, and to have access to opinions in this matter, from sources that relives me personally of any shadow of doubt, that there is more to this then meets the eye.
But even so, just by analysing the public available information, actions and reactions, or lack of normal sensible action in this case, aught to be more then enough to alarm and raise serious questions and reservations.
According to the stories, the Greeks launched a 1000 ships and camped below the walls of Troy for the sake of the fair Helen, while they continued to, sing, eat, carouse, burn, rape and disembowel and hit each other in selected body parts in that spirited, jolly sort of way of your everyday hero of the antiquity – for a full 10 years.
And maybe Assange will end up having to camp 10 years in the Ecuadorian embassy, but that is truly a storyline that I believe is more fit as a dramatic adventure saga, but borders on utter blindingly naivety and stupidity in regard to reality, and to any rational reason and common sense today.
Now I almost lost my temper, but I just had to let it out… Sometimes I do wonder if it is me or the world which is on the verge of going completely bonkers!
Or maybe because I have not had any coffee yet 🙂
@Rico, 9:33 very well said.
@Villager: “Anyway, lets reconcile this about GR”
No let’s not.
Are you joking with that comment? Or are you GR?
This is bloody hilarious. Villager is GR. Or so the evidence suggests.
They both appear for the first time on this JA related thread. Both discuss insane details at insane length. Villager repeats how intelligent GR is, against any reasonable assessment.
Jon the Mod – Please check out Villager’s IP. Villager claims to be in India. Is his IP Swedish or a known Indian proxy? Or is he using Tor? Come on give us all a laugh. We need it after this.
Forgive me for using some football parlance, but it does seem that in relation to the knowledgeable Mr Rudling, a lot of posters are playing the man not the ball.
@CE:
Your arguments have been repeatedly refuted. But still you return as if not.
Goran/Villager is an unwell person. I suggest you are paid to fill this blog with nonsense. What you defend is unsustainable. At some point even the cowardly will understand at which point you will pretend you were not who you are.
Can you feel it CE? That might be your conscience. Probably not. But it may be the tide turning.
@Phil – I’m not taking any view on that, but a professional sock-puppet operation is impossible to detect. If you have enough money, you can afford to run as many ADSL connections as you want, from anywhere in the world, proxied to a common location of your choosing.
For what it’s worth (which isn’t much), Villager and GR do appear to be posting from very different IP addresses. It’s probably better just to engage with debates, or withdraw, as you choose.
In general, I don’t think it is a good idea for site admins/mods to reveal whether people are posting from a proxy, since some people may have genuine reasons to do so. Our blog software doesn’t look this up by default anyway, and I don’t have time to check manually.
@CE – I agree people should be sticking to the arguments. However you earlier endorsed GR’s posts wholeheartedly despite his abusive rhetorical style, which in turn I think is encouraging people to reject whatever it is he is saying.
Whilst I don’t want to dwell on style too much, I think it is worth taking up a little space to encourage civility, since the resultant conversation can be so much more fruitful.
Sock-puppets galore. GR=Villager=CE. All members of the mutual admiration society. You just don’t get supportive comments as smarmy as that between genuine strangers.
This always happens on blog sites. Crackpots and FUDs eventually take over the word count.
@Jon
I was sort of working on the assumption that GR/Villager would not be that adept at covering his tracks. But I take your privacy point. I knew that could be your only response as I pressed submit.
I also respect your desire for tolerant and civil behavior. I am off this thread.
Yes Jemand, every poster who dares to write anything critical of JA, is in fact the same person. 😆
We are all Goran Rudling now!
PHIL: “I am off this thread.”
What? After all your Cry Baby act?
What an astounding display of toady sycophancy for a Monday afternoon! I hope you’re embarrassed. And if you’re not, i am on your behalf, for your having pissed all over this thread in public. Shameful!
But if you’re a man, not a toad, raise your hand up as you have done before and settle it. I don’t care for confrontations.
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JEMAND: “GR=Villager=CE”
Your powers of deduction and detection are a mere reflection of your severely challenged abilities in comprehension. Combined with your paranoia of trolls. Grow up and get over it.
I am ready to field any reasonable questions that either of you have ON TOPIC if you’re still struggling, despite your gang-up orgy of verbal diarrhea, only to help you with your education. Of, what is a complex cross-border case. If you can’t stomach it, reach for the exit and find a private place to express yourself.
Lastbluebell, first my apologies for having got the name wrong y’day.
You say “And maybe I have the advantage over GR due to my own personal experiences and knowledge, and to have access to opinions in this matter, from sources that relives me personally of any shadow of doubt, that there is more to this then meets the eye.”
Intriguing, care to share? without identifying your sources? This is a critical juncture in the negotiations. The granting of asylum was relatively easy.
Also on ” And maybe Assange will end up having to camp 10 years in the Ecuadorian embassy, but that is truly a storyline that I believe is more fit as a dramatic adventure saga, but borders on utter blindingly naivety and stupidity in regard to reality, and to any rational reason and common sense today.
Now I almost lost my temper, but I just had to let it out… Sometimes I do wonder if it is me or the world which is on the verge of going completely bonkers!”
As i said earlier, yesterday in response to GR:
Maybe Sweden needs a PR consultant, just like you suggested Assange needed one back then. But to string this thing out is stupid. If the complainants are genuine, then its doubly stupid. If they are not genuine, personally they wouldn’t give a toss, but still reflects poorly on Sweden. There are levers in any negotiation, we will see how it turns out.
You’re right it is the world on the verge of going completely bonkers. Do you remember the turn of the millenium, we all had the sense we were walking into a rainbow. And then the whole thing got hijacked and we are living a disgusting agenda dominated by a clash of civilisations. A void of as you say common sense.
But i don’t see the Assange situation going unresolved for years and decades. More like weeks and months. The rebound from the mis-calculated threat to the Embassy is proving to be an advantage.
Oh Dear Oh Dear Rico Santin,
You support Mr Murray’s baseless claim that “Ardin did not take Wilén to the nearest police station. She took her right across Stockholm”. Where Mr Murray got his incorrect information we don’t know. He is keeping his mouth shut, hint, hint. In your first comment you claim that the nearest police station is Kungsholmen. Now you say it is Södermalm. Try again Rico.
I proved you wrong beyond a reasonable doubt. The nearest and best the police station to go for the women was Klara Närpolisstation. Just the station they went to. Instead of agreeing with me, a normal thing to do after checking a map and the public transportation system routes, you are desperately trying to contradict me. In order for you to do so you throw in some conditions. “we take for granted [Sofia was] in a traumatic state”, “It is a general norm in Sweden to report [crime] at the closet [police]station to one´s residence.” Conditions that you just made up out of thin air just like normal Assange supporters do when they are having trouble in an argument. I am sorry Rico, it does not help. It doesn’t even help to call me a troll, CIA-agent or anything else. In order for you to show that Klara Närpolisstation is not the nearest and the best choice you have to change the geography first. Rico, geography is against you. Mother Nature nature is against you.
Let’s look at it again. Sofia arrived in Stockholm by train at Centralen (the Centralstation). She went to Danderyd’s hospital. A ride north on the subway. From there she went to Södersjukhuset, a ride south on the subway. Around 2 pm she was to meet with Anna Ardin who was at the north side of town. After the meeting she was leaving Stockholm by train from Centralen. The simplest and easiest thing would be to return to Centralen.
Anybody with some capacity would assume the best meeting place is somewhere between Sofia and Anna as close to Centralen as possible. Klara Närpolisstation located at Centralen is the best. There is no question about it. Sofia can after the interview is finished hop on a train to Enköping. Anna can take the subway, ride 3 stations and she is home. But Rico does not agree. Rico has a different map and listens to a different drum.
Now Rico, how about your claim: “It is a general norm in Sweden to report [crime] at the closet [police]station to one´s residence.” If this is true, how come Sofia is reporting the crime 87 kilometers from her home? Why is Sofia in Stockholm on that particular day? Is it part of some diabolical plan by feminists and lesbian lovers to crucify Julian Assange? Or is there a simple explanation?
In order to make other Assange supporters believe your ridiculous story you throw in the allegations that Anna Ardin has a “possibly lesbian lover Irmeli Krans” that is going to interview Sofia Wilén. It is not a CIA, Pentagon plot as Julian claimed from the beginning. You have discovered it is a feminist-lesbian plot. Good thinking Rico. Lesbians are known to be evil and well connected to the US Justice Department. A friend of Mr Murray told me that the lesbians at the US Justice department have barbecues Wednesday nights where they eat young boys, medium rare. Must be true because I heard it. And Rico, your claims must be true. Remember I said that Mother Nature is against you. It must be some gigantic lesbian conspiracy if Mother Nature is involved. Must be the lesbians that robbed you of the Vaterland.
Your latest comment is even funnier:
“Mr. Rudling I have an academic degree and just as Swedes are experts on the rest of the world so are we experts on Sweden after residing and having a granstand view for the past 3 decades.”
I am sorry Rico. I don’t know what you are on about. I only know that if you have an academic degree you have proved to me and the world that the standards of the Swedish Universities isn’t what it used to be.
Changing the subject slightly..
Is it possible for Assange to continue with Wikileaks work whilst holed up in the Ecuadorean embassy do we think?
They must have Internet access. Do foreign embassies use regular ISPs?
Would their connections be secured / encrypted and would they be safe to use I wonder.
He must be going nuts in there if he can’t connect.
@Villager
10 Sep, 2012 – 4:41 pm
Calm down, “Villager”. Your childish outburst is reflective of your inability to accept that on these types of blogs, political dynamics take over. It’s the kind of grown up stuff that you just don’t get. Maybe you simply aren’t aware of how governments and powerful corporations work. You probably think all that cloak and dagger shit only belongs in the movies. Grow up. Do you really believe the US/UK/Israel et al. will spend *billions* of dollars on advanced weapons systems, *billions* of dollars on conditional foreign aid, *millions* of dollars on bribing crooked generals and then completely ignore public opinion as a geopolitical tool? How fucking naive can you really be???
While you were busy giving your new mate Goran a sensuous ego massage, you’ve forgotten what this matter is all about. Let me spell it out for you slowly. Wikileaks is a threat to the USA. Julian Assange is the irreplaceable core of Wikileaks, despite what some of you believe, and is too popular to assassinate in the traditional way. But he must be neutralised. Character assassination will shut down Assange and that will shut down Wikileaks and wannabe copycats. You get it yet?
The character assassination had to be something that riles the general public – rape, child molestation, drowning kittens and drinking their blood – Take your pick. Suggest a few new ones. So long as it whips the people into a frenzy of rumour and hatred until they are ready to accept a complete inversion of natural justice. Crony journalists fall into line and fringe media, like Craig Murray’s blog, becomes awash with paid agents and witless volunteers like your buddy Goran, filling the comments section with FUD. Still don’t get it?
Then dills like you come along, utterly clueless to the underlying currents, and get silly school girl crushes on these agents and trolls. “Ooh, you know so much.. You seem to really know your suff!”. Like the useful idiots that helped the Soviets in the public relations battles of the Cold War, you become a gushing echo of these creeps, diverting attention from genuine analysis and recycling the same OFF TOPIC, mind-numbingly impertinent commentary on Assange’s personality.. As if, YOU would know anything about that.
I won’t be asking you any questions as you obviously know nothing.
Jemand: “Calm down, “Villager”. Your childish outburst is reflective of your inability to accept that on these types of blogs, political dynamics take over.”
I have only read your first line and won’t waste my energy reading your rant. Don’t patronise me and i would prefer it that you don’t address me at all. I am not interested in engaging your pathetic ego.
KINDLY RESPECT THAT.
@Jemand
“@Villager – To be fair and honest, Goran is a troll on steroids. I know what a troll looks and sounds like just like I know what a duck looks and sounds like. There is no other species of commentator that can be confused with a troll.
More info on Goran for his fans here …
rixstep.com/1/1/20110308,00.shtml
You make an interesting observation. Yes I am a troll on steroids. Of course I am. I am breastfed by CIA and MI5. I am a secret lesbian trapped in a man’s body. A certified state-feminist. I sometimes drink Coca Cola and Californian zinfandel. I believe in facts. I am so friendly with the White House I inherited Ronnie’s Teflon coat. You can throw anything at me it won’t stick. Try again Jemand.
I’ve been called many things in my life. One day when I thought it was really tough I talked to may father about it. He just said, “Rembember one thing, people never kick dead dogs.”
For those of you who haven’t read Rixstep’s, Rick Downes, article please do. The link is at the top. He almost got one thing right, the head-line: “Göran Rudling Declares War on Entire Universe”. It is not entirely correct, I have only declared war on liers, cheats and stupidity. Please note that I have not “declared war” on Mr Hurtig. Why does Rick Downes spend time kicking a dead dog like me? I had pointed out to him that his translation of the police-interviews was incorrect.
Who is Rick Downes? I really don’t know. I can only judge him from what he writes. From his writings he is a misogynist. He is not very well informed and has a tendency to make up stories when he lacks facts. Similar to Rico Santin, Naomi Wolf, Jennifer Robinson ………. People you know. Just like people you like.
Rick Downes is influential since he has an important function within WikiLeaks. Some of the lies that comes out of WikiLeaks are of Rick Downes origin. One of the reasons the Assange case has gone so wrong is that Julian and the lawyers have used Rick Downes so called “facts.
There are many myths in the Assange case. When I discovered that there was nothing that supported the claim that Julian lost three laptop computers flying out of Sweden on 27 September 2010 I wrote this post.
http://samtycke.nu/eng/2012/03/the-assange-case-rick-downes-at-rixstep-cooks-information/
There is much more about the Assange than what appears in the media. Here are two more posts if you are interested.
samtycke.nu/eng/2012/03/the-assange-case-information-jesus-on-the-cross-or-just-fingers-crossed/
samtycke.nu/eng/2012/04/the-assange-case-thin-men-in-la-la-land-part-1/
So Jemand, can we take that as a retraction of your ridiculous statement that me, Goran and Villager are the same person\sock puppet?
Political dynamics take over? What does this mean in plain english and is this your excuse for being misguided\misinformed?