I am delighted that a new canpaign has started today against the state enforced child slavery in the uzbek cotton industry, especially as this campaign originates in Germany, where a significant portion of society appears to have finally woken up to the reality of the German government’s appalling complicity in the Nazi style regime and atrocities of Karimov.
However in the UK it remains the case that since the coalition government came to power, there has not been one single government statement on the human rights atrocities in Uzbekistan or – even more damning of our sham democracy – one single statement or question from New Labour.
Oh dear. Poor Habby is having reading and comprehension problems now.
“In the Huffington Post article Mary links to at 21h09 Professor Keenan doesn’t mention the US or any other foreign power once. He focuses exclusively on the Algerian state security services.
So why has Mr Cameron been mentioned in Mary’s post?”
What Mary said: “If the contents of this piece and of the one above are true, then Agent Cameron is well out of his depth amongst the sharks.”
Take a break, eh, or are you going all out for the sympathy vote.
More comprehension problems from Habby. It’s quite clear that tomathon is very much in favour of Keenan’s previous work. He’s arguing that it now seems to lack some of the complexity of previous work.
The point tomathon is missing of course is that post 911 the West is acting in concert and the alliances are much less complex than in earlier periods. France and the US are now in lockstep as is the UK etc. This was not the case previously as anyone with even the faintest aquaintance with current affairs would understand.
Hi David! Yes,it’s true that I’m having comprehension problems with both of Mary’s links. Neither of those two links (whether their content is true or not) mentions the UK, so I’m having difficulties comprehending why Mary suddenly introduces Mr Cameron into her post in order to state that he is out of his depth.
Just asking!
And by the way, David, one should always tell the truth and not try to misrepresent things. You probably hoped that nobody would read the Tomathon article I referred to. So let me quote directly from it :
“Keenan used to be a scholar of note. His 1977 book remains the best English language text on the Ahhagar Touareg of southern Algeria. But over the last decade or so his writing has descended into screed. His 2004 collection of articles…seems his last work with scholarly pretensions.”.
Not quite the same as what you posted, which was “He’s arguing that it (ie, Keenan’s work) now seems to lack some of the complexity of previous work”.
Misrepresentation from you, dear David, or did you have problems of…..comprehension?
Habby
In the Mary post you said that the US wasn’t mentioned. It was!
You lied!
In the tomathon post, it’s quite clearly the case that Tom is complaining about a lack of complexity in Keenan’s later work, the multiplicity of actors etc.
So again, you’ve lied.
I can understand why you need to lie, of course.
Hahahabubhahahabubukuk ahahahhahhhhabukukhahaha.
The resource stealer’s are at it again and their small time side kicks are desperate to defend it by watching those who are not buying bullshit.
He who gets hold of Mohktar Belmokhtar will find out what made him, do what he did, is he a double/triple agent provocateur.
I wager £ 5 that he will be found dead, before he can speak. But thats our destiny as well, we all have to die, don’t we habbabikukri?
Some do it with dignity and to make a serious point like Aaron Schwartz, others stand in front of the mirror and demise, because they can’t reconcile what they are looking at.
“Nun pack mal deine dreckige, stinkende Waesche and verschwinde, du kleiner Scmarotzer.” as they say in Germany.
Marys posts concerned ‘the global war on terror’ and Cameron is –the Prime Minister. You must be rushing out comments to ask for help with understanding his relation. And proceeding to chastise and school everyone…
Hab Babbler again:
Coucou
“Mary’s 17 lines on Professor Jeremy Keenan (cf. her post of 20h51 today) are lifted – without acknowledgment – straight out of Wikipedia.”
Well the Babbler was lifted (more like released) after 17 years in a circus. Which one can we give credit to?
“Just asking!”
You’re too stupid to understand.
Just answering.
David : I realise you posted late at night, but you really must try to stay awake and alert. Courses in reading and telling the truth are also to be recommended.
Mary’s first post (20h51 on 20 Jan.)indeed mentions the US, in that the second word of that post is “Washington”.
I was, however, clearly referring to the contents of the links Mary gave both in that post and in her subsequent one. And there the US is nowhere mentioned.
So I did not lie and you are a chump.
@ Fred (08h29)
Just saw your post.
Are you fully awake yet? Or just incontinent?
If I am “too stupid to understand”, then why are you “answering”? Surely your effort would be pointless?
“If I am “too stupid to understand”, then why are you “answering”? Surely your effort would be pointless?”
You are too stupid to understand that as well.
Thanks for that Mary, I trust prof. Keenan has not learned his trade in FCO’s wine cellars or at Admiralty House, between teatime and leaving off early.
Cameron has made the same lame statement than GWBush made after 911, i.e. the war on terror will last fifty years.
That he needs our young most fittest boys, most from poorer background, to do the dying has not gripped his imagination yet.
Expect the forces to spend money they have not got on TV advertisement.
What we should say is, don’t die for Britain’s establishment and their continued reign of terror over others more fortunate in resources. Force that warmonger to bring in the draft and watch our MP’s sons and daughter, as well as fine gentlemen and ladies of the establishment get afflictions of all sorts to try and get out of it.
Who knows they might not even appear on the register.
Good to see our left over school master being back in fine form, we must buy him a new, longer leash so he can reach the grass, he’s straining somewhat.
Someone got out of bed on the wrong side again :p
Damn, missed my slot.
But a good day to all!
FOR THE RECORD:
Two days ago i asked:
” BTW, if any one here thinks this constant poking at Mary (whom i don’t know but already love) is civilised, please put their hand up.”
Not one.
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Nevermind: ” Good to see our left over school master being back in fine form, we must buy him a new, longer leash so he can reach the grass, he’s straining somewhat.”
Yes, good one. His babble is turning into piddle. Tied to the lamppost, but can’t see the light. I think he enjoys playing captcha though.
‘Two days ago i asked:
” BTW, if any one here thinks this constant poking at Mary (whom i don’t know but already love) is civilised, please put their hand up.”’
Mary’s posts are good, they focus our attention out at what is happening in the world, stimulate new topics and may lead to enlightenment.
Habbabkuk’s posts are bad, they direct our attentions inwards towards ourselves where there is nowhere to go but up our own arseholes.
Habbabkuk is too stupid to understand that. Are you?
Recommended viewing:
Krishnamurti at United Nations – 1985
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i5Ohhbhkn4
Then lets talk about enlightenment and civilisations.
Fred are you arguing for or against what i said?
Read again….
” FOR THE RECORD:
Two days ago i asked:
” BTW, if any one here thinks this constant poking at Mary (whom i don’t know but already love) is civilised, please put their hand up.”
Not one.”
Which means not one has spoken against Mary’s contributions which are appreciated. You might want to apologise for your rudeness. As for your ” direct our attentions inwards towards ourselves where there is nowhere to go but up our own arseholes” remark, without trying to tempt you into a debate, i recommend you view the above video, to begin with.
Crikey, I have jusr returned from the vets as my dog developed hip pain over the w/e and digging the hens out so that they can find a bit of grass under the snow and I find my name appearing again. It is really enbarassing and is beginning to get me down. Habbabkuk will not deter me however if that was the aim and I wish he/she would PLEASE lay off and stop filling up Craig’s blog with this endless repetition.
The Karimov regime conducts a sizeable PR operation in Britain. One of its tools is the British-Uzbek Society (BUS).
The BUS is chaired by Tory ex-politician Hartley Booth, who also chairs the Uzbek-British Trade and Investment Council. Booth was decorated by the queen for “services to UK-Uzbek commercial interests”. He used to be a partner at the Zionist law firm Berwin Leighton Paisner. They’re the firm that runs Tony Blair’s ‘private’ money. They also the UK’s biggest legal honchos in the gambling industry. Nice guys.
Don’t get me wrong: the BUS doesn’t turn a blind eye to slavery in Uzbek cotton production. It actively promotes how wonderful the Uzbek cotton sector is.
Click here for how it promotes the Uzbek “textile industry”, giving the Karimov regime’s London ambassador a platform (although the embassy provided the premises) for praising the “spectacular achievements of our country in the field of maternal and child health”.
You can also read prose such as the following:
“Senior fellow of the Cambridge Central Asia Forum Dr. Shirin Akiner noted that “as a person, often visiting Uzbekistan, I can state with confidence that the country has done a terrific job in the field of social and economic development. Your achievements are recognized by international organizations, as confirmed by the recent report of «Save the Children» and the resolution of the Tashkent International Symposium on the Protection of Mother and Child Health.”
That was at the same BUS event.
One of the directors of the Karimov-supporting British-Uzbek Society is businessman Richard Moir.
Is he the same person as the partner of Corinne Souza?
If so, bloody hell!!!
Dug my hens out this morning funny how they don’t like snow.
Hope you mutt is OK, Mary and doesn’t need a hip replacement…
To say that the Tuareg’s are terrorist in their own country will never be acceptable, when it was the French who turned Algeria and its north African colonies into turmoil with their absolutist policies.
The Tuareg’s have lived in the Sahara as Nomads for 2000 years, they have legitimate grievances and are not asking for much. They should be included and benefit from the resource rich area they protected up to now from foreign raiders.
Tuaregs are proud people who have principles and poetry and a culture many can learn from. They know how to live on a minimum and are know to defend their property and principles fiercely.
Just as those who work in the fields of Uzbekistan should benefit from their cotton harvests, not with their lives, but with proper wages and humane conditions to work in.
http://africa.si.edu/exhibits/tuareg/who.html
Cameron is making his EU speech on Wednesday in London and on Algeria in the HoC this afternoon. The death toll there is rising. Dreadful.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2013/jan/21/algeria-hostage-death-toll-rises-live-updates
The Met is reopening its investigation into MacShane’s ezpenses fraud. Good. About time. Can’t make out from this whether he was speaking at an EDL rally or against.
http://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/93492/macshane-f-word-complaint-dropped.aspx
A good start to the new US Presidency but not for those vapourized in this attack.
Locals Say Some of Slain Were ‘Saudi Militants’
by Jason Ditz, January 20, 2013
US drones attacked a pair of vehicles in the city of Ma’arib today in central Yemen, killing nine people, most of them unidentified. One was believed to be a local al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) faction leader, though officials said the bodies were too charred to positively identify.
Tribal officials said that at least two of the slain were “Saudi militants,” but did not have names for either of the slain. US officials, as usual, have not commented on the drone strikes or who they may have killed.
The reports of Saudi militants being among the slain may fuel speculation of whether the US was even specifically responsible for today’s attacks, as recent reports have Saudi warplanes also launching attacks in Yemen, with the two nations being deliberately ambiguous about which of them launches any given attack to avoid specific blame for strikes that kill civilians.
Drone strikes have been hugely unpopular among Yemeni tribesmen, and many have expressed support for AQAP as a group looking to retaliate against them. Despite this, Yemeni ruler Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi has vowed the attacks will continue, insisting 9/11 obliges Yemen to allow US strikes.
http://news.antiwar.com/2013/01/20/us-drone-strike-kills-nine-in-yemen/
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PS I can spell ’embarrassed’ (typo earlier) but found it difficult to spell it and the words ‘accommodation’ and ‘separate’ at school.
Forgot to say thanks for that Nevermind and to others for kind remarks earlier which I appreciate.
I am just listening to Tom McCormack of Save the Children reporting from Mali. He says the people there are extremely poor and have little or nothing in the way of possessions or resources but they are now becoming refugees in the heightened military tensions. As usual, it’s the wonen and children who are suffering he said.
@Mary, you have seen off many, and sharper, trolls than Habbabkuk, so please don’t let this one get to you; Many, like myself, have concluded that Habbabkuk is here in bad faith, ie is a Troll, I suggested that ignoring would be the best policy, but others, encouraged by Craig, no less, have taken the view that stringing him/her along for entertainment value is harmless fun, but your comment suggest otherwise.
@Fred, I find the use of coarse language/ phraseology both juvenile & unpleasant, and in my view brings down this Blog to the gutter level of others. I ignored the disgustingly vulgar language you directed at lme recently, but I now see that you continue to use it even when not directed at me.
@Villager, thank you for the Krishnamurti UN link; what he had to say resonates very strong with me.
Fred
Assessing countries by the damage they do to other countries I would argue about putting Switzerland into civilised countries list. Yes, it was never at war with another nation, but nowadays more damage can be done without bombs and armies. Swiss banking industry (one of its main industries) keep hell a lot of money obtained by illegal means, including Gulnara Karimova and other uzbek gangster’s money. So, I say Switzerland by its ignorance is making a lot of damage to Uzbekistan. Neither Swiss banks nor Swiss government question source of billions invested from countries like Uzbekistan. They keep ignoring dozens of reports from authoritative international organisations about child slavery and other well known crimes in Uzbekistan and keep accepting investments from the very people who are complicit in those crimes. So I cannot join you in calling Switzerland civilised.
Macky
Difference of opinions does not harm healthy discussion. Personal insults however, must not be tolerated.
Uzbek in the UK; “Difference of opinions does not harm healthy discussion. Personal insults however, must not be tolerated”
My point was the useage of coarse & offensive language.
Agree with the first part, but disagree with the second; when a person is using idiotic reasoning & arguments, there is nothing offensive in stating that the person is being idiotic, (or even illogical !), but calling a person a “fucking prick” should not be acceptable.