Tom Fingar Wins Sam Adams Award

by craig on January 14, 2013 11:36 am in Uncategorized

The following press release is from the Oxford Union:

The Oxford Union will be hosting the Sam Adams Associates for Integrity in Intelligence award presentation on 23 January 2013. The ceremony will feature several individuals well known in intelligence and related fields, including, via video-stream, remarks by Julian Assange, winner of the Sam Adams award in 2010.

The annual award presentation provides a rare occasion for accolades to “whistleblowers” — conscience-driven women and men willing to take risks to honor the public’s need to know.

This year’s Sam Adams recipient is Professor Thomas Fingar, who is now teaching at Stanford University. Dr. Fingar served from 2005 to 2008 as Deputy Director of National Intelligence for Analysis and Chairman of the National Intelligence Council.

In that role, Dr. Fingar oversaw preparation of the landmark 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran, in which all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies concluded with “high confidence” that Iran had halted its nuclear weapon design and weaponization work in 2003. The Estimate’s key judgments were declassified and made public, and have been revalidated every year since.

Those pressing for an attack on Iran in 2008 found themselves fighting uphill. This time, thanks largely to Dr. Fingar and the professional intelligence analysts he led in 2007, intelligence analysis on Iran was fearlessly honest. A consummate intelligence professional, Fingar would not allow the NIE to be “fixed around the policy,” the damning phrase used in the famous “Downing St. Memo” of July 23, 2002 to describe the unconscionable process that served up fraudulent intelligence to “justify” war with Iraq.

We are delighted to be welcoming several previous Sam Adams awardees, including Coleen Rowley, Katharine Gun, Craig Murray, Thomas Drake, and Julian Assange (by video-stream) — as well as other Sam Adams associates from both sides of the Atlantic, including Ray McGovern, Brady Kiesling, Davdi McMichael, Elizabeth Murray, Todd Pierce and Ann Wright.

We feel that the Oxford Union, dedicated to upholding freedom of speech and providing a platform for all points of view, is a fitting venue. The traditional acceptance speech by Dr. Fingar will be followed by briefer remarks by a few previous Sam Adams awardees. They will be followed by Julian Assange who will speak for 20 minutes immediately before the Q&A, during which the audience will be invited to put questions on any topic to any of the presenters.

Assange is clearly a figure who generates controversy for reasons ranging from the allegations made against him in Sweden, to the perceived recklessness of some WikiLeaks activities. We would therefore encourage those who disagree with him, or with any of our other speakers, to participate in the Q&A session.

Last but not least, we are happy to note that Dr. Fingar, will be with us for the entire term. Professor Fingar has just begun teaching a course at the University of Oxford on global trends and transnational issues, as part of Stanford’s Bing Overseas Studies Program. He will also give guest lectures and public talks while here at Oxford (January-March 2013).

Professor Fingar holds a PhD in political science from Stanford. His most recent book is Reducing Uncertainty: Intelligence Analysis and National Security (Stanford University Press, 2011).

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  1. Aaron Swartz should be mentioned for his attempt to free up JSTOR and his hounding which resulted in a tragic young life being lost!

  2. A better excuse for a jolly would be hard to find. Congrats to Dr Fingar – bravo!

  3. Thanks for the notification, Craig. If I’m in Oxford that day, I’ll call in to cheer you on.

  4. Truthout article that ties together all the disparate threads regarding the CIA cocaine smuggling plot against Ecuador’s president Correa which, of course, we all first heard about here in Craig’s blog. Craig gets mentioned quite a lot in this. There’s also a VERY intriguing parallel between Swedish accuser Anna Ardin’s association with CIA-backed activity in Cuba and those of the woman accusing Chilean whistleblower Patricio Merybell in the Chile/Ecuador subplot; the recent extraordinary rendition of UK and Swedish citizens to the US from Djbouti; and the rape smears/attempted extradition of Julian Assange – all covered here.

    A Tale of Cocaine-trafficking, Sex crime charges, Extraordinary rendition and Julian Assange:

    http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/a-tale-of-cocaine-trafficking-sex-crime-charges-extraordinary-rendition-julian-assange/

    Also details Craig’s and other whistleblowers’ stories of similar sex crime smears, and Craig’s speech outside the Ecuadorian embassy back in the summer. Recommended reading.

    And here’s an update from Sweden on the Djbouti rendition story, courtesy of Rixstep. It’s starting to get a LOT of attention in the Swedish MSM. (It’s almost like journos there don’t dare touch on the Assange case, but they are starting to cover this one properly, so the parallels are becoming clear.) Swedish intelligence was following the two Swedish guys for four years but promptly closed their investigation (and therefore any reason to bring them back to Sweden) as soon as the US request came in. Ditto the timing of the UK’s stripping of citizenship from the third suspect looks a bit suspicious:

    http://rixstep.com/1/20130112,00.shtml

    Cage Prisoners also tweeted this link last night, along with the message “Does the #extradition of Swedish national M.Yusuf to US set a dangerous precedent for #julianAssange?”.

    European terrorism suspects secretly held in New York under false names:

    http://www.cageprisoners.com/learn-more/news/item/5758-european-terrorism-suspects-secretly-held-in-new-york-under-false-names

  5. A particularly stirring and moving appreciation Craig; I too look forward to a fearless Thomas Fingar esp his thoughts on global trends, notably his reasoning and interpretation of the bilateral relationship between China and the United States.

  6. The case of Tony Farrell, chief intelligence analyst for S. York-shire police force for 12 years, is not as well known as it should be in whistleblowing circles.

    He was asked in 2010 to prepare a terrorist threat assessment for that force. As a result of research he had done into 9/11 and then 7/7, he found himself in the uncomfortable position of having to tell his bosses that Western intelligence services were the biggest threat. They claimed he was having mental problems but psychiatrists gave him a clean bill of health. He was asked 3 times to rewrite his report, despite the chief Constable admitting to him that he might very well be correct in his assessment. When he refused, he was sacked for holding beliefs incompatible with his job.

    http://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/top-police-intelligence-analyst-challenges-the-govt-77-narrative/

  7. Will the learned Prof Fingar address global usury and global pan-Zionism? Let’s hope so.

  8. The United States in its union with Israel has embroiled itself in labyrinthine conflicts that have constrained the country’s economic growth. Together with the sub-prime debt critical situation it turned into a financial crisis affecting the globe.

    High sovereign debt, a weak economic recovery, and high unemploymeny has forced America to rethink it’s role in Asia especially as China’s GDP has now reached $7.3 trillion, accounting for 48% of US GDP, and ranked second in the world. Given China’s territory, population and economic size, this development is unprecedented in recent history.

    American’s sense of being “threatened” has become acute. A public opinion poll conducted by the Pew Research Center showed that 49% of Americans polled supported a tougher attitude towards China than a stronger relationship with China (42%), explaining why in the US election last year both candidates were relying on tough China rhetoric.

    The world does not trust an aggressive and deceptive America that relies on a ‘scout party’ of drones and CIA mercenaries funded by drug running to smash countries deemed a threat to Israel and world dominance. That path leads nowhere. Today attempts to involve West Africa in the North is another ‘war on terror’ plan which in my opinion will disrupt China-Africa ties that have matured over the past decade, substantially altering the make-up of Africa’s political and economic milieu.

    Africa’s importance to China has increased, accounting for 3.8% of China’s exports, from 2% in 2002. African imports from China expanded by 23,7% last year to $73bn.

    President Jacob Zuma and Chinese President Hu Jintao at a bilateral meeting on the sidelines of the nuclear security summit that took place in Seoul both agreed that BRIC emerging economies “form an important part of common development of the world, which is conducive to a more balanced world economy, more reasonable international relations, more effective global governance and more durable world peace.”

    I hope the Oxford Union platform will open a new juncture for improved relations with China and her friends Russia and Iran. The threat of nuclear confrontation is more than the wave of a red flag – it is the final collapse of mother earth.

  9. Thank-you A Node an interesting read.

  10. Now Obama has announced that he is going to support the French in Mali. The escalation in yet another war has been rapid.

  11. Glenn Greenwald on Mali. This predates the American announcement.

    The bombing of Mali highlights all the lessons of western intervention

    The west African nation becomes the eighth country in the last four years alone where Muslims are killed by the west

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/14/mali-france-bombing-intervention-libya

  12. “The case of Tony Farrell, chief intelligence analyst for S. York-shire police force for 12 years, is not as well known as it should be ”

    The question isn’t why was he sacked but how anyone so naive and gullible got the job in the first place.

    Of course there may be something else at play here; maybe he has a book to sell.

  13. This is not exactly on-topic, but people must’ve noticed that the second Al Hilli thread is continuing and is now well beyond 11,000 posts (and that thread followed-on from another on the same subject which extended to 8,000 posts). This is a fascinating and exciting phenomenon which, as far as I am aware, has not happened before on this blog.

    It has become a loculated entity, a pulsating blog-within-a-blog, a insistent, low-pitched thrum of huddled voices, almost an instrumental drone. Few of the commentators who regularly contribute there also post in other areas of the site. One of the previous commentators on those ‘Al Hilli’ threads has even died since it began.

    It has developed the cyber-dimensionality of the blog along a sort of spatial, somewhat geopoetic axis. There have been many other posts about equally controversial subjects and yet they have not resulted in that type of ‘Alice in Wonderland’ elongation – so, why this one? Interesting, blogologically-speaking. Schlobalob… Be.

  14. Why is it naive and gullible to assert that a rapacious war mongering military industrial complex is a greater threat than the usual bogeymen trotted out by media?

    Is it because it isn’t true or just that he should have kept quiet about the truth?

  15. In a war David, any war, people are sacrificed to save the many. It is a military doctrine and I have detailed that axiom here with facts from David Hart Dyke, captain of HMS Coventry recalling the fatal attack during the Falklands war.

    Just like the folks on that ship we, the people, are pawns, sacrificial lambs and victims in another war, a global war on terror. We too can be sacrificed, lost to an arcane contempt for life from bellicose dark actors commanded by the unknown faces of world sovereignty, dominion and financial supremacy.

  16. Mark

    I’m not sure this chap was sacrificed to save the many. He was sacked because he wasn’t following the global elite’s script. IOW he spoke the truth.

    I agree that ordnance will often be sacrificed to protect what is considered more vital, but I don’t accept that civilians will be sacificed to protect the many. It’s more common that they’ll be sacrificed to protect the few!

    Anyway, here’s Pilger’s long interview with Assange:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9A26WOvkMzo#!

  17. In early use, the word “naive” meant natural or innocent, and did not connote ineptitude. (Wiki)

    I like that colour of naive.

    BTW, Suhayl what does Schlobalob mean? I tried googling the word but it bowled me a googly.

  18. Villager (at 10:56pm on 14.1.13), yes, as in the style known as ‘Naive Painting’.

    “Schlobalob” comes from the original 1960s BBC children’s TV series, ‘Bill and Ben, Flowerpot Men’. The two flowerpot men used to say the nonsense word repeatedly, it was their monicker. The new versions don’t seem to say it and there’s no helium-inhaled “Wee-eed” either. It was a word-play on “blogalogically-speaking”, which itself was a sort of composite neologism from ‘psychologically-speaking’ and ‘blog’. Blogalog, schlobalob…

    Brings back memories of ‘Clockwork Orange’.

  19. A Node:

    “The case of Tony Farrell, chief intelligence analyst for S. York-shire police force for 12 years, is not as well known as it should be ”

    Kempe:

    “The question isn’t why was he sacked but how anyone so naive and gullible got the job in the first place.
    Of course there may be something else at play here; maybe he has a book to sell.”

    My question is “Why did you say that, Kempe?” You made two points and both are provably stupid.

    (1) “how [did] anyone so naive and gullible got the job in the first place.” Please list your qualifications to call him that. He was head of intelligence analysis for 12 years and you, you, … er … well you tell me.
    (2) “maybe he has a book to sell.” He hasn’t. All you had to do was put {Tony Farrell + book} into Google and you wouldn’t have made yourself look stupid.

    In the last thread you smeared Sizer but couldn’t back it up when your ‘evidence’ was questioned. If you can’t support your book smear of Tony Farrell with real evidence, I won’t be the only one here who concludes that your purpose here is sinister.

  20. Surely, a genuine whistleblower has to produce new information – or at least some actual evidence to support confirmation of suspicions.

    From what I’ve read over the web so far – I accept that I may have missed something, big or small – in the case of Mr Farrell, he seems to have done neither, but simply seems to have reproduced material from a variety of other people’s sites. As Principal Intellligence Officer, one would have thought that he would be privy to whatever subterfuges the nexus of the Police/MI5 get up to. There has got to be a lot of such info. on which someone in his position as a whistleblower would have been able to blow the whistle. Yet where is this information, where are these revelations – information and revelations that might lend at least some credibility to what he, and others, are alleging?

    I think that we need to have a high threshold of skepticism for this kind of thing. It would be a good way of discrediting lots of oppositional figures, a sort of honey-trap of the mind, for a figure to emerge and then later make all of those who supported him seem mad, gullible, or both. So in the end, it would discredit alternative hypotheses and discredit future real whistleblowers too. But perhaps I have become too cynical.

  21. So, it’s qualitatively different from, say, Craig Murray, who, when he makes an assertion, generally provides the evidence to back it up (eg. over Fox-Werrity) and who admits when he’s got it wrong (eg. Steel). Craig has a scientific approach, in other words. It is not sufficient simply to say, “I believe…” for people to believe one. I don’t see any of that from Mr Farrell. Instead, I see material about Freemasons and all the usual stock characters of those who, it seems to me, seek to conflate genuine crime – war-crimes, black sites, torture, kidnapping, wars of aggression, the arms industry, etc. – with such tropes. Look, we know the international banking system is screwing most of the world’s population, we know the arms industry is killing millions of people and making a killing and we know that the MIC has acquired immensely dispropotionate – not absolute – power within the US decision-making process. The USA/NATO/WTO/IMF behaves an a set of imperial entities. None of this is news to many of us. But to bring in Satanism and so on, as Mr Farrell seems to be doing, only serves to debunk serious political analysis and oppositional organising. It’s like Icke et al. I am deeply suspicious.

  22. Suhayl

    He doesn’t have to be a whistleblower. His sacking and the facts surrounding it are interesting in and of themselves. He’d asked for more time to investigate the Intel services to see what threat they posed to the people of South Yorkshire but was unable to complete his investigation because he was suspended.

    But I agree that one has to be careful of Greeks bearing gifts.

  23. Suhayl Saadi
    I take your point about whistleblowing, maybe that wasn’t the best description for him. I also take your point about the dangers of taking such people at face value. There are indeed traps laid for the unwary.

    However, in the end, each of us have to weigh the clues and make a judgement. I’ve twice watched Tony Farrell in long interviews, the kind that our sound-bite media don’t do any more. I believe he is genuine. I don’t believe he could act so well and so consistently. However, I appreciate that’s a subjective opinion and won’t help you make your mind up.

    Incidentaly, did anyone else here used to watch Edge Media, channel 200, in particular the On The Edge programme. Every Thursday night, 8.00 pm, a 2 hour interview with someone with an “alternative view”. Theo is a great interviewer and over 2 hours you could be confident that the guest had nowhere to hide. Anybody can turn up at a studio with a couple of soundbites and a smile, but that won’t get you through 2 hours. I’d love to see Cameron try it.

  24. David, thanks for Pilger’s interview with Assange. Am surprised that it has such few (88,000) views.

    Arbed, i’m watching it now. I intuit that the main wikileaks imperatives of justice and transparency need to be got more out there again. I know you’re doing your bit.

    Lets hope there isn’t a Women’s Campaign here to block him from speaking.How silly they were in Cambridge.

  25. Hi Suhayl – have you been buried in the Al-Hilli thread? I know your penchant for the intriguing.

    Al-Hilli had sound nuclear knowledge gained from the “Osiris”-class nuclear reactor from France and supplied to Iraq. He worked at the Rutherford Appleton research centre in the 1980s. I believe he was quietly helping Iran overcome some technical difficulties in their nuclear program particularly metal erosion and for that his card was marked. The RAF guy recorded the deed by a motor-cyclist in black (remember Iran’s scientists…) . Simple but very sad. Love to Saad’s two surviving daughters.

  26. Hi Villager, unfortunately there is a protest planned against Assange speaking at the Oxford Union. The usual sorry mixture of presumed-guilt and woeful ignorance of the facts of the case:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/09/julian-assange-speak-oxford-university-protests_n_2440339.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

    Backed to the hilt, of course, by the Guardian:

    https://twitter.com/santaevita/status/289082517594710016

    (note: this woman’s twitter account was set up literally one day before this tweet, so seemingly specifically for this protest. Talk about jumping on bandwagons…)

    She refuses to look at any ‘source’ about the case other than David Allen Green’s Legal Myths article in the New Statesman, despite having now been warned that it contained serious factual errors and was later (partially) corrected by Glenn Greenwald, here:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/24/new-statesman-error-assange-swedish-extradition

    Never mind… what can you do with people like this? As the protest is planned for both Oxford and outside the Ecuadorian embassy, a counter-protest is also planned (a dignified silent vigil). Here’s a factsheet that’s been produced to give out at the counter-protest if anyone fancies shuffling down to Hans Crescent, SW1 on 23 January:

    http://wikileaksetc.blogspot.ch/2013/01/fact-sheet-julian-assange-his-asylumand.html

  27. Thanks for the links Arbed, appreciated. I’ll speak with Clark and Mary (both dignified) who might join the counter-protest and report back here.

  28. Thanks Mark – I shall be there myself, so it will be great to meet any others from here who are going.

  29. Surely no one gets this prize from a bunch of retired CIA spooks without serving either the CIA or a CIA-affiliated agency. So what agency does Assange work for? Or CM?

  30. English Knight

    15 Jan, 2013 - 5:19 am

    A Node said “In the last thread you smeared Sizer but couldn’t back it up when your ‘evidence’ was questioned. If you can’t support your book smear of Tony Farrell with real evidence, I won’t be the only one here who concludes that your purpose here is sinister.”

    Kempe is an extremely highly cunning hasbaric sayanim who needs to be bid sayonara from this blog, mebbe Craig tolerates his now crass attempts at fooling us dumb goyim, as eye-openers on how the devil of spin operates!

    Witness this post (or words thereabout)in the al-Hilli Blog ” mebbe al-hilli was targeted due to his over active anti-israel blog posting activity” Meaning anti-israel blog posters beware mossad will get ua ass too!

  31. Good morning all and thank you for your kind comments.

    Mr Farrell appears to have fallen for one of several conspiracy theories surrounding 7/7 and 9/11. Despite what some of you might think this is as far from the truth as anybody is likely to get. I’m sure the good people in South Yorkshire will now sleep easier in their beds knowing he no longer has any responsibility for their safety.

    “Truthers” have to explain why he wasn’t disappeared or stiched up with kiddie porn on his work laptop before he had a chance to go public.

    I wonder, was he trying to work an early discharge on medical grounds?

  32. I have just checked to see what Obama is doing about Mali. I began to think I had imagined the breaking news I reported seeing yesterday that he was going in to assist the ‘operation’. There is nothing on the BBC (strange?) but the LA Times and VoA both report it.

    U.S. moves to bolster French military campaign in Mali
    The U.S. is preparing to ferry more French troops to Mali and provide other help. The fight against Al Qaeda affiliates gained urgency given the rebel advances.http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-terror-mali-20130115,0,4876209.story

    US Prepares to Help France in Mali – With Caution
    Voice of America ‎- 6 hours ago
    The U.S. aim is to go after al-Qaida-linked militants in Africa. … The French intervention has come at the request of Mali’s interim leaders.

    Nothing much coming from the boy wonder in King William Street. He is being given a hard time on this twitter! https://twitter.com/WilliamJHague/status/290400232980750338

    He had said on his own feed:

    13 JanWilliam Hague‏@WilliamJHague
    Risk in #Mali is of a terrorist haven developing on Europe’s doorstep

    13 JanWilliam Hague‏@WilliamJHague
    The UK is providing logistical military assistance to help transport troops and equipment to #Mali quickly

    He has pushed off out of it to New Zealand. Probably fancied a bit of sun.

  33. The war for natural resources including uranium. and oil too according to this.

    West busy with ethnic cleansing in Mali: Moeen Raoof
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMKZWDi3mL8

    and

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/mali-s-tuareg-uranium-conspiracy/30118

  34. I wonder how much of what James Casbolt asserts corresponds with what Tony Farrell is saying;

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=6162

    In the absence of not being able to refute nor prove what either of these two are saying, we are left none the wiser.

  35. Again, let me thank you for the links Arbed. That David Allen Green is a nasty piece of work. From Birmingham too. Green does not answer questions regarding his manufacture of information. There was a time when the New Stateman was a worthy publication.

  36. “In early use, the word “naive” meant natural or innocent, and did not connote ineptitude. (Wiki)

    I like that colour of naive.

    BTW, Suhayl what does Schlobalob mean? I tried googling the word but it bowled me a googly.”

    Oh aren’t you the clever one, I bet your daddy’s really proud of you, does he know you’re playing with his computer?

  37. “In the absence of not being able to refute nor prove what either of these two are saying, we are left none the wiser.”

    Which for you is a crying shame.

  38. O/T Do not buy any gift vouchers from retailers.

    Jessops were said to have £850,000 worth in circulation which the administrators would not honour.

    Now the same applies to HMV.
    ‘The firm said it would not be accepting gift vouchers or issuing any more.’ BBC website

    I bet the figure is way higher than Jessops. So soon after Christmas, many vouchers would have been given as presents.

    Yet another rip off in rip off Britain.

  39. Arbed, thanks for that. And there we go again, but thankfully here’s the current view from the poll at the huff post

    Quick Poll
    Should Julian Assange’s appearance at Oxford go ahead?
    Yes 62.18%
    No 34.14%
    Not sure 3.68%

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/09/julian-assange-speak-oxford-university-protests_n_2440339.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

  40. Also O/T
    For those who were wondering about Mali, run, don’t walk to your stockbroker*

    http://www.africacncl.org/Events/downloads/Mr.%20Mamadou%20Simpara,%20General%20Director,%20AUREP.pdf

    Wiki on the Tuareg Rebellion is worth a glance, too. Most of the oil claims are in the “rebel”-held South.

    And “Another commentator described the US as a catalyst for the rebellion, citing the training of Tuareg rebels by the U.S. (to fight Gaddafi -K) and the overthrow of Libya’s government in 2011.”

    The Law of Unintended Consequences again…

    *or your arms dealer

  41. The SOAS’ Jeremy Keenan is the man to read on Mali.

    Informative article here: http://www.opendemocracy.net/jeremy-h-keenan/algerian-state-terrorism-and-atrocities-in-northern-mali

    Also recommend his book, The Dark Sahara: America’s War on Terror in Africa.

  42. Ps, the Captcha reckons 9-1 does not equal 8.

  43. Arbed/Mark

    I might join the counter-protest on the 23rd–what time is it slated for? Any ideas as to how we might recognise each other and actually meet? I know at the last time Clark was there with a placard but despite that people missed each other.

    Also, does anyone know if there is live streaming planned for the Oxford mtg and Assange’s address etc.?

  44. Giles i’ve noted that if you leave it blank in error and have to return to the screen, it doesn’t accept any answer, even a correct one. Then requires refreshing–perhaps thats a technical glitch that can be fixed?

  45. “Any ideas as to how we might recognise each other and actually meet?”

    Yes you’ll need someone to hold your hand while you cross the road.

  46. Thanks Villager. Yes, that’s what I did – must be a glitch.

  47. Less of your puerile sarcasm Fred. Are you sure you are on the right blog?

  48. You’re very welcome, Giles

  49. “That David Allen Green is a nasty piece of work. ”

    Green was involved with the Simon Singh case and the Twitter Joke appeal. He’s probably done more to protect your freedom of expression than Julian Assange ever will.

  50. “Green was involved with the Simon Singh case and the Twitter Joke appeal. He’s probably done more to protect your freedom of expression than Julian Assange ever will.”

    In those days he was but a humble blogger. I even remember him writing something quite incisive about the emergent police state.

    These days of course he dines at corporate high table.

    Assange provides an insight into things that governments would prefer hidden. It’s not unreasonable to ask why so many so-called journalists seem to be against that.

  51. Kempe
    So in your opinion, David Allen Green is a good guy and Sizer and Farrell are bad guys.
    Hmmmmm. Yessss.

  52. Investigative journalism and even citizen reporting is a corrupt State’s greatest fear. People like John Schindler, John Pilger and citizens Bridget and Ant(July 7th) all dig for the truth. These people are special, they are ‘conspiracy realists’ with probing minds.

    Governments are suffocating investigative journalism at an alarming rate through the abuse of Acts like the arcane Official Secrets Act, D-Notices, the Espionage Act of 1917 and more; acts more prone to be used to protect government secrecy than national security. These Acts has been used numerous times to go after whistleblowers and the journalists who protect and reveal their information.

    http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/

    Hats off to your intention and dedication.

  53. Villager, 11.20am

    The Oxford Union gives the start time of the event as 19.30 so I imagine the protests/counterprotests will be around then. Personally, I think I’ll go down to the embassy much earlier in the afternoon. Someone has printed 1,000 flyers of that factsheet I’ve linked above so I’ll help with giving those out to passersby, Harrods shoppers, etc, etc… :)

    “Any ideas as to how we might recognise each other and actually meet? I know at the last time Clark was there with a placard but despite that people missed each other”

    John Goss and I have met face-to-face – don’t know if that helps/whether he’s going/if you know him…

    Clark: if you’re thinking of attending, I know I missed you last time but you’ve got my email address – drop me a line so we can swap mobile numbers this time.

  54. “Less of your puerile sarcasm Fred. Are you sure you are on the right blog?”

    When in Rome Mary, when in Rome.

  55. 10 Reasons to Cancel Your TV Licence:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=5YGzqJf8yQI#!

  56. @JohnGoss, 9.03am

    “That David Allen Green is a nasty piece of work”

    David Allen Green knows his original article got it wrong and he can no longer justify it, but instead of either correcting it or being prepared to stand behind it, he just washes his hands and walks away:

    https://twitter.com/DavidAllenGreen/status/289035686764507136

    Coward!

    Justice4Assange put out a statement directly addressed to the Oxford LGTB (is that the correct acronym? Can’t be bothered to look it up properly) campaigner who’s taken it upon herself to organise the protest against Assange speaking at an awards ceremony dedicated to whistleblowers:

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/kltfq2

    That’s quite a ticking-off – Justice4Assange is usually very measured in its statements. They must be furious about this woman’s wilful idiocy.

  57. I suspect that far from getting it wrong Green is simply fed up with trying to convince people who need to believe in the legal myths that they’re wrong.

    Whatever their motivation Oxford’s LGTB community are simply exercising their right to protest just the same as Assange’s supporters are. What right or authority has Justice4Assange to issue a “ticking off”? (That link doesn’t open by the way)

    It ought to be pointed out that Assange is not the whistleblower, Bradley Manning is the whistelblower, Assange is only the publisher. It’s also telling that anybody is even contemplating an anti-Assange rally, such a thing would’ve been inconceivable two years ago.

  58. If the Guardian had reported the truth, we would probably still be supporting them snd thus they and other newspapers would not be hitting the deck.

    ‘Why the Guardian is launching a digital edition in Australia

    The launch of the Guardian‘s digital edition in Australia is a milestone in the development of our global ambitions. It also illustrates the opportunities and challenges facing a newspaper industry that is undergoing a period of dramatic upheaval, brought about by rapid technological change, exacerbated by the current difficult macro-economic environment.

    In the last ten years, the Guardian has moved from being the ninth most read newspaper in Great Britain to an online presence that makes it the third most read newspaper website in the world. Over the same period, print circulation has declined inexorably and, with it, print advertising revenues; this trend will continue.

    At Guardian News & Media, we have a tradition of leading the way in digital. Our ‘open’ approach to journalism, which seeks to engage our readers in a much more collaborative relationship than traditional print journalism is able to do, is hugely popular with forward-looking individuals who are curious about the world and embrace technological change. This progressive audience leaves the Guardian particularly well-placed to develop its global reach; it is also very attractive to advertisers.

    However, the real challenge is to find a business model that supports the transition from print to digital – and the reality is that no one has yet been able to do this, not least because we are all still working hard to define exactly what a newspaper actually is in the digital age.’

    /…

    http://www.economistgroup.com/leanback/new-business-models/why-the-guardian-is-launching-a-digital-edition-in-australia/

  59. Goldman Sachs have had a twinge of conscience, or perhaps they were shamed into it. The payment of £9 billion !!! in bonuses will not now be deferred to avoid the higher tax rate.

    Westminster hits at Goldman Sachs bonus plan

    Goldman Sachs provoked a furious reaction in Westminster after it emerged that the US investment bank was considering a plan to delay its UK bonus payments to take advantage of April’s cut to the top rate of tax.

    /..
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/001a3fda-5e7a-11e2-a771-00144feab49a.html#axzz2I3nYq0QG

  60. Arbed:- I couldn’t open your link to Justice4Assange but was it actually their “tweet” or that of Julian’s mother?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/14/julian-assange-mother-christine-feminist-rant-oxford-uni-protest_n_2470926.html

    Some of you might be interested in Tom Fingar’s opinion at the bottom of the article.

  61. Kempe, no it was this one, which opens for me.

    ” Simone Webb ‏@santaevita

    I wish I could hire @DavidAllenGreen to just…explain Assange stuff to people on facebook. *sighs*
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    @santaevita I have served my turn in the Assange wars. Happy now to leave it to others. All power to you :-)

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    7:47 AM – 9 Jan 13 ·
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    9 Jan Simone Webb Simone Webb ‏@santaevita

    @DavidAllenGreen I’m spending quite a lot of time on facebook linking people to your articles on Assange.
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    9 Jan Simone Webb Simone Webb ‏@santaevita

    @DavidAllenGreen and saying “for god’s sake, READ THIS BEFORE YOU EXPRESS AN OPINION”.
    Details ”

    You see, he does not want Jan Simone Webb keep spreading his misinformation knowing it to be wrong. Perhaps he would be happy if you stopped bigging him up too! He does not answer uncomfortable tweets!

    The other link.

    http://www.twitlonger.com/show/kltfq2

    content

    “You were quoted in an article published in an anti-Wikileaks British paper penned by fellow Oxford PPE student @AlexJ_Rankine

    You state in your facebook event that “Assange is refusing to face the Swedish legal system with respect to rape allegations”. This is false. You show a complete disregard for the presumption of innocence or the fair trial rights of a persecuted journalist, a recognised political refugee.

    It is admitted in the United Kingdom Supreme Court by the prosecution that neither of the women intended to file a complaint against Mr. Assange. Neither woman has ever alleged rape. In the official police documentation, Woman B states that she was “railroaded” by police and others around her to make a statement, which she refused to sign. There are not two allegations of rape, but one allegation by the Swedish state of what Swedish law calls ‘minor rape’. According to an analysis by a professor of English law at Oxford University, Prof. Andrew Ashworth, the conduct described in the allegations would not be criminal in the United Kingdom.

    Swedish lawyers who have read the police report (which clearly those supporting your campaign have not), argue that even in Sweden the conduct alleged does not constitute a crime. A fact that senior prosecutor Eva Finne relied on when she dropped the ‘rape’ investigation, before it was resurrected by a prosecutor who is close to the women’s politician-lawyer, Borgstrom.

    Mr. Assange has be granted asylum because he is the subject of a political persecution. The Ecuadorian Government has found that his fears of persecution and torture are justified and that Sweden will not protect him from persecution by the United States. Amnesty International has made a statement calling on Sweden to guarantee that Mr. Assange will not be sent to a political persecution designed to silence whistleblowing and undermining freedom of the press in the West.

    Mr. Assange has asked to give his side of the story for two years. It is the Swedish prosecutor who is fleeing Mr. Assange’s cooperation. The prosecutor refuses to abide by standard Swedish and European mechanisms which mandate the prosecutor to interview Mr. Assange in London. The prosecutor refuses to give any reasonable explanation for this refusal. The prosecutor is under a legal obligation to advance the investigation. Misinformed misinformation campaigns such as yours are not benefiting the two women. Even Swedish lawyers and media commentators are critical of the Swedish prosecutor’s untenable position, which is harming Sweden’s international reputation.

    The presumption of innocence is a basic principle of law. The abuse of process involved in this case is flagrant. Your campaign propagates smears and is imbued by ignorance to further the political aims of powerful actors. It is specially interesting that you are taking this position in connection with a speech at a whistleblower event.

    Please correct the falsehoods you have publicised. Propagating these with the knowledge that they are false is malicious and defamatory. More importantly, your position reinforces the political persecution of Mr. Assange and WikiLeaks, and actively undermines the important work that whistleblowers do to protect your civil liberties. Julian Assange has taken risks and you have an obligation to, at the very least, not mislead your audience in relation to the facts of this spurious case.

    Of course your campaign is not about women’s rights, or about the rights of these two women (whose interests you clearly have not seriously considered). This is not even about Assange.

    If I were you I would be thinking about how this will look when this investigation is dropped. I would take a long hard look at the arguments you are making against free speech in connection with a whistleblowing event. And I would think twice about actively undermining the presumption of innocence and the right to due process. That’s what your future employers will see when they search your names on the internet. But perhaps the type of employers you will be applying to will like your politics.

    http://justice4assange.com

  62. Kempe, I stick by my original statement about David Allen Green being a nasty piece of work. Because when I write something I try to base it on truth. Assange is not wanted for rape. He’s wanted for Wikileaks releases of the truth which our governments do not want in the public domain. Read this:

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2012/12/19/how-sweden-collaborated-with-cia-on-renditions-and-framing-of-assange/

  63. Four press links from Keep Our National Health Service Public (KONP) and those from previous dates.

    http://www.keepournhspublic.com/newsroundup.php

    Tuesday 15th January 2013

    Scotsman
    Nurses’ fury at overtime wages veto.

    Guardian
    What will we tell our grandchildren about the sell-off of the NHS?

    Bromsgrove Standard
    Health group vows to protect NHS from privatisation.

    New Statesman
    The NHS: even more cherished than the monarchy and the army.

  64. Mali is in a strategically very important position. From Mali you have access to Mauretania, Algeria, Senegal, equatorial Guinea, Burkina Faso,Niger, Togo and with a little leap, to Ghana and the Sudan. Anybody who establishes military bases in Mali, trying to get established on the back of this nefarious war on terrorism, can claim to be controlling the heart of Africa.

    Mali’s manifold riches are their downfall. France, upping a spineless Hollande’s image and their own vested interest, is bolstering a flaky and unaccountable Government, by killing civilians, three kids already are dead from their assault, the same despicable tactic as is used by Israel against its Semite Palestinian neighbours.

    Brolleurs!

    For the US and Britain to offer their sickening, calamitous and murderous help, sorry gotta throw up, is the hight of self serving neo-fascist colonialism.

    Mali is the kingpin and we should expect

  65. sorry, hit the button by mistake

    ‘should expect a long and arduous campaign, not to speak of unlimited US/French contracts for military bases signed by these undemocratic putschniks.

  66. ” when I write something I try to base it on truth. ”

    I hadn’t noticed.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/five-legal-myths-about-assange-extradition

  67. Kempe, first of all you might have thanked me for posting the contents of the link you were unable to access. But I realise you have a job to do and hope they are paying you well.

    I read David Allen Green’s piece you’ve just posted months back. It was one of the pieces that made me conclude he is a legal stooge. You should have read my blog on Judge John Deed which mentions Justice Stephen Phillips who presided over the Supreme Court extradition appeal. But as you clearly did not read my co-authored piece about Sven Olof-Petersson and the legal firm in Sweden and then claimed that it was not based on truth, you are unlikely to read this either.

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/judge-john-deed-and-other-old-retiring.html

  68. Former colonial power France declares that French troops will remain in the former French colony of Mali until a government with legitimate authority is put in place. Reported on the MSM without any irony, smirking or sniggering. How do they do it?

  69. All that personal data is now being mined.

    Facebook takes on Google with new search engine that can scan a BILLION profiles to find everything from users’ favourite restaurants to their embarrassing photos

    Firm claims new service is ‘privacy aware’, and will only search for content that has already been shared by users

    Graph Search set to be made available to some users from today in test form

    Facebook signs up Microsoft for search results as announcement intensifies battle with Google+ service

    Firms boasts its network includes ‘a billion people, more than 240 billion photos and more than a trillion connections’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2262906/Facebook-takes-search-New-service-lets-user-search-photos-people-connections–web.html#ixzz2I4wSzBxz

    Good work Mr Zuckerberg!

  70. Kempe, first of all you might have thanked me for posting the contents of the link you were unable to access. But I realise you have a job to do and I hope they are paying you well. When you advance you will be asked to write why you criticise people’s comments. Have a word with your superior.

    I read David Allen Green’s piece you’ve just posted months back. It was one of the pieces that made me conclude he is a legal stooge. You should have read my blog on Judge John Deed which mentions Justice Stephen Phillips who presided over the Supreme Court extradition appeal. But as you clearly did not read my co-authored piece about Sven Olof-Petersson and the legal firm in Sweden prosecuting Assange, yet had the audacity to claim that a wwell-researched article was not based on truth, you are unlikely to read this either.

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/judge-john-deed-and-other-old-retiring.html

    But others will.

  71. Kempe, what of the Statesman’s journalistic endeavours of Jimmy Savilles real rapes?
    Allegations that have been batted off by the BBC, the police, child line, many victims who spoke out and where frustrated, for decades. Did allegations make any difference in this country?

    What is its fascination with J.Assange, journalistic jealousy is one explanation, but its not enough. The Statesman guilt by association in the J Saville grooming era is as much part of the cover up as those who are trying to avert focus away from the other rapist and paedophiles still walking free.

    Why are they not looking at the nations pit, the paedophiles official office, or orifice, our beloved BBC? would that be too close to home?
    Why is the Statesman, nothing new about it, why this one eyed, blind focus on the alleged crime, without looking at all the facts.

    Where are these two victims? kept incommunicado by those info-mongers the Statesman protects and helps, have they joined Adam Werritty?

    What of the incomprehensible behaviour of Ms. Nye, the Swedish police, the evidence or the lack of it. Its not acceptable to dismiss the lack of evidence and the police victim and lawyers cosiness in this trumped up case. So David Allen Green is pretending to be holier than though, he’s a bought soul who’s been told what to write.

  72. Sir Gerald Howarth no less would like the broadcast of this Tony Harrison poem banned. He does not like the Anglo Saxon within it would seem. It resonated with me and I found it rather moving.

    http://plagiarist.com/poetry/5618/

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21015301

    This is Howarth. http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/02/defence-minister-arms-howarth Now s Knight of the Realm.

    and the fuss http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21024372

    Radio 4 23.00 Friday 18 January 2013

  73. Mary;

    “All that personal data is now being mined.”

    Fecebook, I think as John Goss once called it!

  74. Arbed, no I don’t know John. But if Clark is coming with his placard, that could be a way. Or if he or Jon can give you my email, that would be good.

    Thanks for all the info and your perseverance.

  75. Mary, I quite like Tony Harrison, his politics in particular. I remember him reading at Birmingham University in the early eighties. I also watched the programme in which he recited V. What I found a bit monotonous was that everything he wrote was, at least up to V, in iambic pentameter. I’ve not read anything of his for years. I do hope he’s extended his range.

    Sir Gerald Howarth is the pits.

  76. Thanks Villager and John for responses. Yes Fecebook. I also see that Adobe arer pushing this tool. This ad was on one of the newspapers online today.

    http://www.adobe.com/uk/solutions/digital-marketing.html?tb=so&b1=banner&s_cid=701a0000000lOboAAE&s_iid=701a0000000lOaIAAU&sdid=KCHLD

    Social Media is Worthless
    That’s crazy.

    Find out what those “likes” and “followers” really mean for your business.
    See the solution ›

    Agree John, rather long but he obviously had many memories and thoughts to convey and aome personal stuff to deal with in this way.

  77. Clarks offline and busy with life, I’m not speaking for him but see this as a positive aspect.
    He might come to the 23 meeting, or not. I would like to make the meet as I have some admiration, steady on, for Arbed’s excellent sleuthing and work, here and in Sweden, thank you Arbed.

    But if I’m not there in person, pretend I’m with you. I think the Oxford debate is crucial for the wider understanding of the facts, a public deficit sofar.

    Those ‘connected and engaged’ students, no doubt, some already in Government pay, have to be put on the rostrum and challenged.

    Love to meet you.

  78. Fingar has just been made aware that you run a site friendly to 911 truthers and other disturbed conspiracy fanatics. Good luck with the meeting!

  79. ..Oxford union dedicated to freedom of speech…
    and teaching offspring of dictators, like uzbeki henchman karimov’s grandson who is enrolled at Brookes college now.

  80. Assange is clearly the greatest threat to humanity since time began, and to women in particular.

    He has slaughtered millions across the planet, innocent men, women and children. We’ve all seen the disgusting pictures of his deeds.

    He is obviously Public enemy No 1.

    The much lesser crimes of the US, France, Belgium, UK, Australia, Canada etc will be forgiven for they are ignorant and know not what they do.

    No one knows what they do…

  81. The OPC has released a document that is supposed to show the full extent of the Royal veto over Parliamentary Bills. Jeez! the document is spectacularly misleading about what bills, if any, the royals have actually attempted to block. Symbolic consent and then giving it are of course different.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jan/14/secret-papers-royals-veto-bills

    Instead of legal documents the Queens subjects get a hastily written piece of crap called a pamphlet to fob us off.

    http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/sites/default/files/resources/QC_PC_pamphlet_191212.pdf

    Clips from the Pamphlet:-

    Queen’s consent was given for the bill for the Animal Welfare Act 2006, largely because
    of the powers of inspectors to enter onto land owned by the Crown Estate and the Duchies;
    there is an exemption for land forming part of the Queen’s private estate

    Queen’s consent was needed for the Identity Cards Bills 2004-06.

    Queens consent was required for giving the Child Maintenance and Enforcement Commission power
    to disqualify a person who had failed to pay child support maintenance from holding a UK
    passport.

    +++++++++++++++++

    The British government will go to court against confidential letters written by Prince Charles to government ministers being made public, reflecting his intervention on legislative and other matters.

  82. English Knight

    16 Jan, 2013 - 7:29 am

    Kempe devilish downgrade spin on Assange quoted below, exclamation marks added.

    “It ought to be pointed out that Assange is not the whistleblower, Bradley Manning is the whistelblower, Assange is only (!!!!!!) the publisher. It’s also telling that anybody is even contemplating an anti-Assange rally, such a thing would’ve been inconceivable two years ago”

    Bwahahahahahaha – it ought to be pointed out I was only the cattle cart driver, it was Hitler wot done it !

    To Craig – this devil has a very low opinion of our goyim intelligence, is he a relative of “sid”? Should you be giving him a forum for such devilishly cunning hasbara crap !

  83. “Why are they not looking at the nations pit, the paedophiles official office, or orifice, our beloved BBC? would that be too close to home?”

    Indeed, then there’s William Hague. He is guilty of at least preventing the detection of a crime in relation to the Wrexham paedophile ring. A decent prosecution could go for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. And then there are the decades old ‘Westminster village’ rumours – the whole lot of them are guilty of a cover up to some degree or other.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224167/Former-Minister-says-Thatcher-aide-paedophile-preyed-boys-home–Hague-known.html

  84. What people are too stupid to work out is that people like Hague occupy the positions they do precisely because this dirt exists on them. It also sends a clear message to other politicians that they are ‘allowed’ power and influence and can never attain it through their own efforts or simple human decency. The example of Hague couldn’t be clearer – do what your told, when your told and you’ll be looked after.

    The puzzle of Hague’s political success, despite being totally detached from reality and clearly incompetent on all levels, can be easily answered by the fact that he was groomed as a very young boy by senior Tory party apparatchiks – the same ones who’s names regularly get banded about – at least the dead ones, it seems only dead people can be called paedophiles in the UK.

  85. The helicopter that has crashed in Vauxhall Circus hit a crane on a tower block building site. One report is saying that it is the site of the new American embassy. Surely helicopters and all these high rise buildings are not a good mix. I think a greater tragedy has been averted.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1038710/helicopter-crashes-into-crane-in-london

  86. The manufacturers of the horseburgers.

    A bit of a mix up in the supply chain??

    http://www.abpfoodgroup.com/about-us/our-company/

    Big this and Big that. Big Pharma. Now Big Meat.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0730/1224321086035.html

    Mo wonder people are becoming vegetarian.

  87. “it seems only dead people can be called paedophiles in the UK.”

    Yes, dead people and poor people, the others the law protects.

  88. I’ve long been a vegetarian. I was brought up on stories like this.

    During the depression of the thirties all the unemployed men stood or sat outside the pit doffing their caps to the bosses ‘Have you got a job Sir?” They were emaciated and living off whatever they could garner from an impoverished world. Most of the men, if they were lucky, sustained themselves on dripping sandwiches. Except for George. George had meat almost everyday.

    Fred asked George how his wife could afford to pack him meat sandwiches and he was advised to get his wife to talk to George’s wife. They shared the same butchers and the two women went together to do their shopping. In the butchers Fred’s wife asked for some of the much cheaper meat that George’s wife bought. The butcher brought his special meat from out of the larder. “I have to explain that it’s hoss meat”. She bought some anyway thinking Fred would not know the difference. And sure enough he didn’t.

    After a while Fred noticed that his nose and chin were getting longer and he asked his wife he she could see any difference. “Now that you mention it I can. I can.” She thought she had better explain what the meat was. Times were so hard Fred kept eating the horse-meat to keep up his strength. But his chin and nose were getting longer and longer until they almost met, and his nostrils were getting bigger, so he thought he had better visit the doctor’s.

    He explained everything to the doctor, who, as doctors sometimes do appeared not to be listening, but was taking notes all the while Fred was telling him his story. After a while the doctor peeled a sheet of paper from a pad and wrote upon it. “Is that a prescription you’re writing me there, Doctor?” “No it’s a permit to shit in the road.” Sorry about that.

    Is it really one of the reasons I don’t eat meat? No, it’s mostly on moral grounds. To my mind eating horses is no different from eating cows. Or dogs. All animals are sentient beings that feel pain when you hurt them. They have no voice in parliament. Barnes Wallis said that the reason he could not eat meat was because he could not bring himself to kill an animal and should not ask somebody else to do it on his behalf. I guess I am the same.

  89. “Yes, dead people and poor people, the others the law protects.”

    Further to this there is a very worrying attempt to change legal precedent going on at the moment which seems to have slipped below the radar.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-20909851

    It has been a long established feature of UK law that only an individual is protected from defamation. Now it seems that the law may rule that Rutland council can be considered an individual and sue for defamation.

    The consequences of this could be far reaching and devastating.

  90. I respect your considered view, John. What I can’t abide is the “meat is murder” crowd and those who eat meat but cannot bear to think about how it got to their plates. The former try to impose their views on others, while the latter should face up to the reality and accept that if they cannot kill, prepare and eat an animal, then they shouldn’t be eating meat or fish.

    For myself, I avoid cheap meat, which means I eat less of it, but the animals have been reared in as good conditions as is possible, which is reflected in the quality of the meat. We ought not to take the same approach to food production as we take to manufacturing, constantly driving down costs and prices. Meat should he produced to a very high standard and the best cuts enjoyed infrequently.

    Sadly, the closure of most of the local, small-scale slaughter houses has led to a much more industrial process, with animals often having to be driven hundreds of miles to factory-size slaughter houses. The best choice for an ethical meat-eater is to avoid supermarkets, support their family butcher, ensure you know where the meat is coming from, and pay more for quality, well-raised animals, if necessary eating less meat (40 years ago a whole chicken was a real luxury!).

  91. before we go off on a horse meat tangent, its lovely tasty, protein rich, slightly sweet and not a contamination’ what a ludicrous term to use. There are abattoirs licensed for Horse butchery in this country and this supermarket, although deceiving their customers into believing they are buying beef, is not guilty of ‘contamination’.

    Where do all the dead horse go in this country? HMMM , they die and go to horsey heaven do they?

    Fact is that Britain is missing out on a great source of protein and meat, some restaurants serve it, but its a bit like the French who eat songbirds hidden under a towel, i.e. its a pssst do you know they are serving horse meat in Southwold.

    I do not like the supermarket chain for its rapacious measures of contaminating the shopping scene, everywhere and at any price, no village too small, but this is a red herring.

  92. I must agree Giles. The subject is a moral minefield, it should be down to every individual to decide for themselves based on the information and the “Meat is Murder” brigade who try to push their morals onto others, in my experience, are remarkably ill informed.

    I too remember the days when the only time you saw chicken was Christmas. Now people walk out of the pub, buy half a chicken then throw half of that in the gutter when the bus arrives. Now that is a crying shame.

  93. Uzbek in the UK

    16 Jan, 2013 - 11:33 am

    Mark Golding
    .
    Well, well. You are coming again with your blatant anti-Americanism. Sometimes it seems you care of nothing but US to fail at all cost.

    It seems you see no trace of Chinese abuse in Africa. Selling Africans cheap and low quality Chinese goods and forcing them to work for pennies and if not importing cheap labour from China to dig out what British/French and Portuguese left. Is your big picture for Africa?

    You quoted Chinese and South African presidents on BRIC becoming “form an important part of common development of the world, which is conducive to a more balanced world economy, more reasonable international relations, more effective global governance and more durable world peace.” Do you actually believe this? Are you aware of what China is doing in its neighborhood? It is more aggressive in securing markets and sources of raw materials than either US or European powers ever were. I realize that you live far from China and might think that it is not relevant to you BUT Chinese expansion reached Europe already.

    As for Russia all its economy is based on exporting raw materials and keeping most revenues in Putin gang’s pockets in foreign bank accounts. As for the more effective global government Russia could offer you authoritative dictatorship masqueraded by chief of the nations motto. Would you who oppose so called American made democracy agree on such model of global governance?

  94. Fred,

    Yes, they point to, say, the mistreatment of animals in a factory farm and use it as an argument against eating meat. Obviously, the sensible choice for the conscious meat eater is to avoid eating meat from such places. An ex-girlfriend who was a member of PETA used to try and persuade me to give up meat by showing me horrific videos of animal maltreatment. I simply said that I make the choice to know where my meat is sourced so I can be confident it has been produced to the highest standards.

    The casual disregard for meat is a result of its throwaway price. It is treated like a cheap product manufactured in China. We shouldn’t take the same approach to farming animals as we do to, say manufacuring toys.

    Nevermind,

    I have eaten horse in France and enjoyed it. It is difficult to change people’s mindsets, however, to eat meat they are not used to or don’t associate as food. For that reason, never invest in an ostrich farm! Several of my friends have lost a small fortune believing it would ‘take off’!

  95. Nevermind,

    I believe Francois Mitterand requested Ortalan bunting for his last meal. The traditional method of preparation is to drown the bird in Armagnac, cook and then eat whole, starting with the head, with a cloth over one’s head to hide both the illegality and the shame of the practice.

    Redwing is still popular in the Poitiers region.

  96. My apologies, should be spelled ‘Ortolan’. Shocking mistake for a bird-watcher….

  97. @ Fred. This Rutland story is as disturbing as it wrong. Cllr.’s, once elected, regardless of whether they are party dogmatists or Independents, should be informed in any case about Council business, all business and they have the right to be informed.

    This one sided BBC story,. yes they are party political as they do not stand up for cllr.s rights to be informed, smacks of electioneering and on 2nd. May, will see many more Independents standing up to the bullying and lying by party politicians.

    Whether its excessive cuts, Norfolk has to cut a further 125 million off their budget, property developing like happened in Stalham, where Norfolk County council who bought a property in 1961 for £2100, has just offered it back to the small Stalham council as a bargain, for £250.000…. and where NCC has bought RAF Coltishall, without a business plan, and against the rival bidder Hanse who offered 4.1 million and had a fully worked out business plan for the airfield. NCC has allocated these monies away from a heavily burdened council and the cabinet clique of cllr.s have morphed into property developers.

    When good people do nothing but take the strain, these scoundrels will get away with bending the law so it suits them. Rutland Councils leading group should be sued/prosecuted for trying to use vitally necessary funds to fund lawyers to pervert the cause of justice.

    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics
    /stalham_is_borrowing_250_000_to_buy_land_from_norfolk_county_council_guess_how_much_the_plot_cost_the_county_1_1793222

  98. Tony Midgeley is the chairman of Berkeley housebuilding group and St George plc who are building the 600 ft high Tower, One St George Wharf where the helicopter crashed this morning. He has 152 current company directorships!
    http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/907749916

    He was also honoured in the New Year Honours List by Cameron and is a Tory donor like Michael Heller who is also a vice chairman of Conservative Friends of Israel.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9769966/New-Year-Honours-List-2013-Tory-donors-get-gongs.html

    All very cosy.

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