Now is the Winter of our Disinterment 699


The researchers had a hunch he was there. ATOS pass Richard III’s skeleton as fit to work.

Joking aside, the discovery of Richard III’s body is fascinating and wonderful. Aside from Shakespeare’s brilliant play (which is evidently not as physically inaccurate as we have been told for years), and the question of who killed the Princes in the Tower, there is a romance about lost dynasties which appeals to a deep human yearning for a golden age when things were somehow better, and for “lost futures”. What might have been, had those evil Stanleys not turned on Richard at Bosworth and put their miserable Welsh accountant on the throne?

Richard is described in today’s newspapers as the last English King. The Plantagenets were of course Angevin. The last English King – indeed the only English King of all England – was Harold Godwinson. Now there’s a lost dynasty for you.

We now know that Richard’s “Claim of Right” was almost certainly true and Edward IV a bastard, as his father was nowhere near his mother for months around the purported conception. But the so-called Royal line is, I am quite sure, sprinkled with bastards and no line at all. Not to mention that George I was 39th in line to the throne when given it 300 years ago, but the first Protestant.

Monarchy is bollocks, and something we should have outgrown a long time ago. Nice to see that today’s Prince Harry retains the tradition of remorseless homicide though.

Leicester University deserve congratulations on a genuine achievement. I hope Richard can now be reburied as soon as possible – as a Catholic, which is what he was. He was a human being. The degradation and display of his fresh corpse were horrible; but there is a danger of repeating it with a po face and feigned serious intent.


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  • guano

    Doug Scorbie and Villager

    Fred said that cows were more reliable than humans because they didn’t lie. In my work and personal life I mix equally with British and Asian people. I find a tiny minority of them honest and an equal majority of them extraordinarily dishonest.

    In Islam it is said that you do not know somebody until you have travelled with them or done business with them.

    A group of Asian Muslims I was working for were so dishonest that I bought a house in a totally non-Muslim area just to get away from them in beautiful South Wales. Asian Muslims spy on other Muslims and collaborate with the intelligence services. They nearly always lie when buying / selling cars. I am currently engaged on a house re-wire where I was promised full assistance in labouring work and received none.

    My English boss openly robs my toolbox while I am working with him. Ok a tape measure only costs a few pounds, a set of electrical screwdrivers 15 pounds, but that’s not the point. They’re yours. I have recently been looking for a replacement for my Astra which was stolen at work. You drive over 100 miles to see a car priced at nearly a grand and you find that the English vendor knows perfectly well it has a broken head gasket.

    What is going on in these people’s brains? I am equally disgusted by Asians and British when they lie and steal.
    They don’t like the term Pisstakeani or Shitrib. But the names are well deserved.

  • Mary

    Karel assumes that I am a horse lover and a meat eater. Wrong on both counts.

    My concern is the passing off of one food for another, the long food chains, and what else is contained in the mixture that is being sold as beef – chemicals, veterinary drugs or otherwise. Fraud is also being committed from all accounts.

    The whole business sounds pretty revolting and will result in an increase in vegetarianisn.

  • guano

    Doug Scorbie

    Yes I have a sense of humour. Agree.
    I was making a point not in favour of my fellow Muslims but against them when I quoted from Ibn Taymiyyah about fighting against disbelievers who attack you.

    The UK Muslims who have among them many jihadis sheltering on benefits in the UK, have formed a political alliance with the the UK first in Syria and then in Syria. They use the words of the scholars of the past to justify aggression against the Alawis who are not Muslim. So why do they make alliances with some disbelievers, paying UK snipers to start a civil war, and make jihad against other disbelievers like the Alawis?

    Because they take benefits from collaborating with the UK disbelievers and they can take property by attacking the Alawi or Libyan disbelievers. If you are looking for fraud, don’t pick on the ones who are exposing fraud.

  • Vronsky

    @karel – 8:12pm

    For missing the joke: douze points.

    @horsemeat
    When I was 11 I went on a boy scout camp to Belgium. That was a very daring thing to do way back then, Belgium being a foreign country, an’ all. It was just after the war and you could sit on the dunes and sift bullets from the sand. There was only a small collective budget so we lived on horsemeat, bread and margarine for two weeks. A big treat was chips with piccalilli, if you had any pocket money. I’d never heard of piccalilli before and it was to be a long time before I would hear of it again. The horsemeat was lovely, but we soon learned to insist that we couldn’t manage the baton and margarine without a little glass of vin eclair, a local custom, and locally permissible. Looking back, almost everything we did would never be allowed nowadays.

    Um, yes, I know it’s about trades descriptions, and not about the nutritional value of horse and quite agree, shouldn’t be allowed. But I keep thinking of a girl at work who feeds her family exclusively with posh M&S TV meals. Is there horse in those? Fingers crossed!

  • guano

    Doug Scorbie

    “Bettir thow ganis to leid ane doig to skomer,
    Pynit pykpuris pelour, than with thy maister pingill.
    Thow lay full prydles in the peis this somer
    And fane at evin for to bring hame a single,
    Syne rubb it at aneuther auld wyvis ingle.
    Bot now in winter for purteth thow art traikit,
    Thow hes na breik to latt thy bellokis gyngill,
    Beg thee ane bratt, for baird, thow sall go naikit.”

    Scottish traditional art form: The flyting of Dunbar and Kennedie verse 15. There’s plenty more.

  • karel

    Vronsky,

    thanks for sharing your recollections. I had a similar experience but many years later in France. You are a very sensible man and I would also like to give you few points if it meant anything to you. The ordinary consumer is nowadays so spoiled that he needs to be buggered by Osborne for few more years before he/she notices where his/her arsehole is actually located.

  • karel

    Mary,

    I apologize for conveying the false impression that you are a horse lover. My point is that every processed meat product stinks of fraud. I made a reference to duck pâtés few days ago (cannot remember when but will look it up for you if you desire to read it). You may indeed get some beef in beefburgers but what kind of beef? Homogenized intestines is the most likely ingredient of that crap. Thus any horse meat additive is an upgrade in a way. Or would you disagree with me?

  • thatcrab

    Anon, I think the section found in that nasa article was loose hyperbole. In the graph of sunspot activity at the bottom of the article, notice the maunder minimum very clearly has several decades of chaotic and decreased activity in its lead in and lead out periods. But the graph of recent activity cycles is very regular and contains no indication of break up or reduced activity at all. It then looks like we wont be in a big minimum for at least several decades (even if we start soon) yet there is no known pressure on another great minimum occuring, for hundreds or thousands of years.

  • N_

    There must be a big rift in the Vatican, for Ratzinger to abdicate. (‘Abdicate’ is the right word. The pope is a monarch.)

    Do you want a story in connection with the abdication? Never mind vague generalities about child abuse by priests. Look for the Dutroux connection.

    A Belgian court is expected to issue its decision next week on whether to release Dutroux. Everyone in Belgium knows the official story that Dutroux and his wife were acting alone is total rubbish. His wife (sentenced to 30 years) was released last year, to ‘spend 10 years in a convent’.

    Cardinal Danneels, head of the Catholic church in Belgium for 31 years, was raided by Belgian police in 2010, and huge numbers of documents were seized relating to the Dutroux case. A video has circulated showing that Danneels was one of a dozen or so ‘people’ present when the two girls who were supposed to have died of starvation in the cellar were in fact being tortured to death elsewhere. The autopsy report similarly shows that the official story is bunkum. This was what Laurent Louis was holding up documents in parliament in connection with.

    When Danneels’s name was first raised, he ran to the Vatican and Ratzinger, whom he is supposed to hate. (But then he’s been called a ‘liberal Cardinal’ – and what on earth is one of those?) Danneels had been called ‘papabile’, but the allegations stopped him in his tracks and Ratzinger won…

    …But now he falls from office…

    The Dutroux links, or more exactly the links with the foul network of which Dutroux was just a relatively minor player, look very much as though they are the reason why Ratzinger abdicated.

    Dutroux is clearly protected. Otherwise, he would have been offed years ago. So I will not be totally surprised if the foul, foul, child-torturing, Mali-invading, Gladio-hosting, monarchist, mafia-run, fascist-in-all-but-name Belgian regime releases Dutroux soon.

  • karel

    to all climate freaks

    who try to divert our attention from the greatest scandal of all times, the sickening horse meat additive, to something much worse. I have never expected that tree ring experts would ever circulate here their much valued opinions. It may seem narcistic what I say, as contributors like thatcrab told me that I, or probably nobody else, should ever expect to be read by anyone here. Ignoring such an advice, which acording to the crustacean logic should not have been read in the first place, may I express some doubts about the sense of this great debate..

    A cruel fate forced me few years ago to enter the the magic field of tree ring research but at that time I never thought that it could be ever used for making any global temperature estimates. In quite a pedestrian way we just looked at tree rings in combination with 14C measurements to date some wooden planks.

    In my humble opinion it makes as much sense to estimate temperature from tree rings as any attempt to determine the number of passengers who got on an airplane from the volume of their effluents collected during the flight. This includes the shit, piss and the water to flush it all down the drain. Every normal imbecile would just count the passengers.

    Needless to say, we have hard temperature data collected for more then two hundred years so why do we need tree rings whose width depends on many known and unknown parameters?

  • thatcrab

    “Needless to say, we have hard temperature data collected for more then two hundred years so why do we need tree rings whose width depends on many known and unknown parameters?”

    I blether.. Recommend to all unconcerned with this exchange, save themselves from being not, and scroll up to the soundly relevant and informative comment by the mighty N.

    Karel -You are coming across to me as partisan to your concurrency, but well collected.
    Tree rings go back much further than a couple of hundred years. They are inherently interesting details of the past. Tree ring analysis can be poked with a stick, but to the people who work on it, there is not just a matter of need (it seems whatever is researched, it’ll never be enough to affect change – bar the appearance of immediate catastrophic weather events)

    –Knowledge is surely won from curiousity over selectivity. If you have enough tree rings or flushes to count, you have a dependable thing made by the system of interest. Distributions can be calculated from a good volume of data with high certainty of their appearance not being accidental and meaningless. If you can manage to foamulate the most powerful factors involved in the datas creation, you can affirm your foams and find signatures which point to other bubbles. Mistakes (getting mislead by appearances) are always happening to degrees, but not nearly as much or often as easy disprovers eager are mislead. Many of us find, that which we have limited time for, is disproven very easily.

  • glenn_uk

    Guano said, “In Islam it is said that you do not know somebody until you have travelled with them or done business with them.

    That’s clearly a weakness with Islam then. You can’t really know someone until you’ve done a bit of proper drinking with them. [I trust this is correct colloquialism for South Wales, since you had lived in the area, and were very fond of it?]

    Don’t they also say that you do not really know another, until you have fought them? Perhaps I’m thinking of The Matrix. I’d say fair weather friends are easy to find. Those that stick by you through harsh times prove themselves, particularly after you’ve fought over something meaningful and yet still come out of it as friends.

  • karel

    thatcrab,
    let me congratulate you to reading occasionally rather than just writing. In my opinion you are a seriously confused man. What do you mean by “You are coming across to me as partisan to your concurrency, but well collected”.

    The whole issue about climate warming concerns the last forty or fifty years for which we have quite reliable temperature measurements all over the world. We have also very good temperature maps from satelite observations made with infrared and microwave-sensitive cameras. What more would you like to have? What else do you think we can discover about temperature for the last 50 years from dendrochronology? It tells us fuck all about temperature, if I may put it mildly and in simple terms to you. Dendrochronology is used for dating the material found i.e. wood according the characteristic sequence of the rings available for the last 11000 yrs and not for the assessment of temperature prevalent during the lifespan of the tree studied. Like you would typically use your prick, if you have one, for fucking rather stirring your soup.

  • Mary

    Coming here soon? Or already happening?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/google-moves-to-destroy-online-anonymity-unintentionally-helping-authoritarian-governments/5322542

    “The bottom line is that anonymity reduces Google’s ability to monetize personal information and sell it to its advertisers. So Google is on a campaign to destroy anonymity…”

    [..]
    Some of the more high profile and highly trafficked sites being monitored include the comments sections of The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, Newsweek, the Huffington Post, the Drudge Report, Wired, and ABC News. In addition, social networking sites Facebook, MySpace and Twitter are being monitored. For the first time, the public not only has an idea who the DHS is pursuing with their surveillance and where, but what they are looking for as well. General Dynamics contract requires them to “[identify] media reports that reflect adversely on the U.S. Government, DHS, or prevent, protect, respond government activities.” The DHS also instructed General Dynamics to generate “reports on DHS, Components, and other Federal Agencies: positive and negative reports on FEMA, CIA, CBP, ICE, etc. as well as organizations outside the DHS.” In other words, the DHS wants to know who you are if you say anything critical about the government.

    Anybody thinking of the name “Goebbels” at this point is not out of line.

    Indeed, valuing online privacy could even get you labeled as a potential terrorist.[..]

  • thatcrab

    Confusion might be an essential part of discovery.

    “What else do you think we can discover about temperature for the last 50 years from dendrochronology?”
    Its not really a reasonable question, to study the temperature of the globe, the whole thing is studied, all data available is poured and puzzled over, and not just the last 50 years. The scientists have worked as inspiringly as scientists do – when you take time to delve into their electric waters. Curiosity and honest principles have managed to clarify a grave situation which has been apparent for a long time but permanently repressed by many human factors and actors. The worth of environmental sciences and grave warnings produced including but not limited to AGW, is clear to people still respecting science. Everyone else just sniffs and imagines if that was their job, they would figure it out nicely. The problem is not with people studying areas which one simply might not fathom how oneself despite a pang of pride in a related feild or two, its just all this warring, stealing and lying going on. Seriously like, you want to dismiss modern dendrochronolgy? What for? What does that solve, you could have a fantasy football only selecting esoteric feilds with which to sidestep the worlds confusions.

  • Jay

    What controls can be applied to failing capitalist co-operative state.

    This food meat scandal will used to represent the need for further control
    In the hanfs of the same people who have outright control.

    Where are all the highly educated graduates who can espouse the need fo honestt and integrity and apply fair play and standards to the system.

    Answer; you know that corruption is at work and the main problem is corruprion in mindful stupidity.

    We need fascistic controls with decision making and observations carried out in a context that enables the system to operate to enhance the needs of all and limits the pressure on the need to make profit.

    Profiteering equals economic growth.

    Fascist control of economic growth?

    Any takers.

  • Mary

    We know he’s good at ‘igniting’ things and people, but the US economy? Nah!

    Obama pledges to reignite economy ……

  • Mary

    Herod is being rebranded by the Israelis in a new exhibition.

    ‘Herod, who ruled in what is now Israel and the West Bank for over 30 years and died in the year 4 BCE, was known for elaborate palaces and fortresses.

    He is branded a baby-killer in the Christian tradition but remembered by many in Israel for rebuilding the Jewish Temple two millennia ago.

    However, the opening of the exhibit has provoked a modern-day row between Israel and the Palestinians over who has the right to dig up his artifacts.

    Palestinians have complained many of the exhibits were taken from the occupied West Bank, land Israel captured in the 1967 Middle East war and which Palestinians seek as part of a future state.

    Palestinians said the artefacts were removed without their consent.

    The Palestinian minister of tourism and antiquities, Rula Ma’ayah, said all Israeli archaeological activities in the West Bank were illegal.’

    Where is this printed? Why, in the Daily Mail. Pity they didn’t mention Al Naqba in 1948, the actual Occupation.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277799/Inside-house-Herod-Israeli-exhibition-sheds-light-home-life-biblical-king-tried-kill-baby-Jesus.html#ixzz2Klle09Pr

  • nevermind

    Disturbing this, a global search engine aiding and abetting the NSA’s search programmes, just as William Biniyon said in Dreolin’s excellent link on page 2.

    The more networking sites and search engines you can use to collect data of those trying to hide, like the few here who use encryption at times, the more Orwells vision becomes true.

    @Karel, please do not use your man sausage to stir soup, as much as you would like to stop the rising world population, it sounds painful just think for a moment of the impact we create and what it means if the thermohaline flows in our oceans do not exchange temperatures anymore due to lesser salinity in the subduction zones?

    The east of England is sinking by about 1mm each year and flood protection is an issue here, as much as it was inland with more chaotic weather patterns. Add to this rising sea levels due to increasing glacial and Antarctic melts, increasing methane emissions on a large scale plus an increased albedo due to less reflection of sunlight and you have all the makings of global warming.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_methane_release

    But, should we engage in a nuclear war, or face three major volcanoes going off, this effect can postpone itself due to either nuclear winter or ash at very high atmospheric levels.

    I believe in the precautionary principle, some scientists say that this model is already outdated as our actions are reprehensibly low, futile, still Joe Bloggs does not understand and does as he’s told, i.e. he buy’s that new, faster and more powerful car.

    So, even if there is only a small chance of a runaway process happening or eminent, should we carry on with our activities, burn coal as we do, waste energy and CO2 here, as we do? At what point in time does this become an emergency that allows governments to act?

  • Stephen Z

    @Thatcrab “Curiosity and honest principles have managed to clarify a grave situation (…) The worth of environmental sciences and grave warnings produced (…) is clear to people still respecting science.

    And those who don’t ‘respect’ ‘science’ in such a way as to assume that errand boys for big business have ‘honest principles’ may find that what some believe to be ‘clear’ because they have not had the will-power to examine their notions and assumptions, is in fact wrong.

    A scientist is as big a creep as a politician, colonel, or newspaper editor. Please notice how much ‘scientific’ propaganda there is around. Ask why, who for, and to what end. I don’t think you can realistically say that it is unreasonable to urge you to ask those questions.

    Have these scientists’ masters told them to plead rationally with the rest of us to help them save us from our irrationality and anti-socialness? (Oh and to lower the costs of big business, but that’s because they’re trying to help us, right? Please think about carts and horses, and who does what to whom, and the role of ideology in alienated society.)

    Or perhaps the scientists are acting and thinking independently?

    Do you realise money is involved here? Science – and I mean actually-existing science, not someone’s vision of ideal Knowledge Seeking – works according to objectives set from the top, objectives which are heavily propagandised, both within the ‘science’ market and more widely.

    Those objectives are the objectives of big business, the billionaires’ club.

    Just change the word ‘scientific’ to ‘knowist’, and you may get a better handle as to how the ‘scientific’ ideology functions in this society – not abstracted from time and place, but now, in the historical dynamic of these particular conditions we are living in.

  • doug scorgie

    guano
    12 Feb, 2013 – 11:10 pm

    You are more suited to be a dog-walker,
    A starving thief, than fight with me, your master
    You lay full without honour in the peas this summer
    And pleased to bring home a single
    For old times rub it at another old wives fireplace
    But now in winter through poverty you’re worn out
    You have no trousers to let your bollocks jingle
    Beg for a rag or you will go naked

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