Now is the Winter of our Disinterment 699


The researchers had a hunch he was there. ATOS pass Richard III’s skeleton as fit to work.

Joking aside, the discovery of Richard III’s body is fascinating and wonderful. Aside from Shakespeare’s brilliant play (which is evidently not as physically inaccurate as we have been told for years), and the question of who killed the Princes in the Tower, there is a romance about lost dynasties which appeals to a deep human yearning for a golden age when things were somehow better, and for “lost futures”. What might have been, had those evil Stanleys not turned on Richard at Bosworth and put their miserable Welsh accountant on the throne?

Richard is described in today’s newspapers as the last English King. The Plantagenets were of course Angevin. The last English King – indeed the only English King of all England – was Harold Godwinson. Now there’s a lost dynasty for you.

We now know that Richard’s “Claim of Right” was almost certainly true and Edward IV a bastard, as his father was nowhere near his mother for months around the purported conception. But the so-called Royal line is, I am quite sure, sprinkled with bastards and no line at all. Not to mention that George I was 39th in line to the throne when given it 300 years ago, but the first Protestant.

Monarchy is bollocks, and something we should have outgrown a long time ago. Nice to see that today’s Prince Harry retains the tradition of remorseless homicide though.

Leicester University deserve congratulations on a genuine achievement. I hope Richard can now be reburied as soon as possible – as a Catholic, which is what he was. He was a human being. The degradation and display of his fresh corpse were horrible; but there is a danger of repeating it with a po face and feigned serious intent.


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  • thatcrab

    An english lit student used to do my head in talking about his thesis concerned with solipism in literature, i recall it is simplisticaly the feeling that you are the only real thing in the world. But simple ideas shouldnt be coined over the top of complex theory.
    Your complaint of danger of general isolation sounds like a somewhat solpsistic caracture of the situation, arising from you feeling hurt by not having been read by someone you read deligently.
    If i havent been read, or just recalled, by someone, it doesnt follow everyone else is in danger of not reading anything. I really expect plenty do and should scan over me mostly because i am one of the more random commenters, and i scan flakely through the lot honestly, unless captivated, without attention to read all, and only rarely have something to say to what i find the best.
    All that said, i41 often appreciate your comments and hope you take, my take on the communication limitations and your petition lightly Karel.

  • thatcrab

    A legal conversation on the official goings on in the British Oversea Territory, the tropical islands of Turks and Caicos. Unweildy detail, and stupendous poise and posture involved in that realm of discourse.

  • guano

    Cryptonym
    I didn’t hold up Saddam as a pious person. We know for a fact that as a young man he tortured animals. That’s why he was selected as a potential insane dictator. I was just illustrating the point that it is ridiculous to see an individual in isolation. Neither Thatcher as a lady with a handbag, nor the US banksters behind her who got her to de-control banking, nor the dictators she was pushing in front of her to boost her son’s arms sales.

    Your autistic view of humanity, that evolved by from itself from bacteria into sentient being, that has instructions written into its heart to choose between right and wrong not placed there by anyone, and who collects no good or bad reward for choosing right or wrong,.. is a clear and obvious lie. If your heart has no proof of the divine criterion of right and wrong, what on earth is stopping you and everyone else from becoming a Saddam?

    You are looking for a proof beyond your own consciousness. If I did not trust my own consciousness, I would consider myself to be less than a cow, less than a fruitfly, less than a germ. Things may be different to eachother, but each must surely contain its own integrity? The integrity of a human being is that he/she is accountable for good/evil to God. Deny that and you deny yourself. Feel free, Cryptonumb.

  • Mary

    I was going to comment on the hypocrisy of the world’s ‘leaders’. They all condemn North Korea’s nuclear test including Obama who called for “swift” and “credible” international action in response. Wonder what he means by that?

    I agree the test is crazy but it’s just as crazy as all these thousands of tests carried out in the C20 but not as obscene as the horror of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    ‘The 2053 nuclear tests and explosions that took place between 1945 and 1998 are plotted visually and audibly on a world map.

    As the video starts out detonations are few and far between. The first three detonations represent the Manhattan Project and the two bombs that ended World War II. After a few representative minutes the USSR and Britain enter the nuclear club and the testing really starts to heat up.

    Even though the video does not differentiate between sub-critical “safety” tests and full detonations, you get a good idea of the fever of the nuclear arms race.

    The time line does not extent to tests by North Korea (October 2006 and May 2009).
    video credit: goes to Isao Hashimoto (www.ctbto.org/specials/1945-1998-by-isa­o-hashimoto/)’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lquok4Pdk

    ~~~
    Amyway, I see that I have now been taken to task for not noticing what someone else had written. I give up. Sometimes I have actually posted straight on to the blank comment box (delivered by pressing ‘Fn+NumLk then End’) this avoiding sight of the latest Habbab nastiness. Thus I’m sorry that I may have actually missed something in the recent hubbub so, for the time being, it’s over and out while I go to commune with the hens and the earthworms and get some ground prepared.

  • guano

    Mary
    All of this soul-searching and truth-seeking is surely ground-preparing. Some do it properly and others just chop up the roots with a rotavator. Everyone is free to choose their own method of working. You don’t have to read the rubbish thinking of others, just dig the ground in the way that gives you personal satisfaction. That in itself will be appreciated by like-minded people and annoy the lazy. Take no notice of them.

  • doug scorgie

    karel
    11 Feb, 2013 – 10:39 pm

    Karel,
    I did read your post to res dis but I thought it needed expressing in a clearer and better referenced manner; making better use of the English language.

    You also didn’t deal with the Amnesty International point that res dis brought up.

  • Fred

    “I would consider myself to be less than a cow”

    What makes you think you are better than a cow?

    I know if I had a choice between a person and a cow I’d take the cow every time. People are nothing but trouble, they lie and they cheat and they borrow your money and don’t give it back then borrow your car and drive it into a lamp post then they let you down when you need them the most.

    Cows just wander around the field all day and give you gallons of milk. Great listeners, you can tell them all your troubles and they don’t mind, they can keep warm without clothes and see without spectacles, not interested in the latest igadget, much better than humans

  • John Goss

    Mary at 8.54 am. Yes nuclear tests are disastrous, even underground tests. They may be responsible for earthquakes, but the worst tests were those conducted by that great free democracy across the Atlantic, in the upper atmosphere. The man mainly responsible for these tests was Billy McCormac. His son, also Billy McCormac, is a PR executive at Prime PR, the company advising Reinfeldt which called in Karl Rove (turd blossom) to help them win elections, and get Assange to the US. I created a cartoon, rather amateurish not because of the script so much as the limitations of the software. Anyway it must have got close to the truth since I cannot normally play it since it suffers from Youtube’s buffering problems, which only seem to apply to political videos not in line with the authorities.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz1fYzCxjNk

  • Clark

    CE, there is still nothing in my Inbox from you. Can you say when you’re available yet? It would help me to plan my afternoon. Thanks.

  • doug scorgie

    Kempe
    11 Feb, 2013 – 11:27 pm

    You said that Assange would be just as safe from extradition from Sweden as from the UK. Not so.

    “The fact is that [there is a] temporary surrender mechanism that exists in a treaty between Sweden and United States [and is a key issue].
    The concern in the Assange camp has always been that temporary surrender may allow a rapid transfer of Assange from Sweden to the US with no due process or appeal rights.

    That can’t happen under the extradition agreements between the US and the UK.”

    So it would be easier for the USA to extradite Assange from Sweden

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/thestump/2012/06/24/bob-carr-in-full-flight-from-the-facts-on-assange/

  • Vronsky

    “An english lit student used to do my head in talking about his thesis concerned with solipism in literature,”

    Betrand Russell told a story of a lady who wrote to him saying that she was a solipsist, adding “I can’t understand why there aren’t more of us”.

  • guano

    I agree with you about the lying. Doesn’t seem to make much difference if it’s a Shitrib or a Pistakani. The milk is off every time.

  • doug scorgie

    “The BBC has re-edited the final episode of David Attenborough’s nature series, Africa, on BBC One to remove a piece of commentary about climate change.”

    “In the original programme, broadcast on Wednesday, Attenborough said: “Some parts of the continent have become 3.5 [degrees] Celsius hotter in the past 20 years.”

    “However, the BBC admitted the comment was “disputable”.

    Which it is, because fine details about climate change, are disputed all the time by the climate change deniers.

    What is more interesting though…

    “The BBC removed the piece of commentary after it was contacted by a journalist from the Guardian newspaper.”

    Who is the Guardian journalist?

    We are not told.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/africa/

  • MJ

    “However, the BBC admitted the comment was “disputable”

    “Wrong” would be more accurate. The 3.5 figure has no basis in any research findings.

    Dr Tim Osborn of the UEA’s Climatic Research Unit said “So I would say that our data do not support the claim of 3.5 degC warming in the last 20 years in some regions of Africa”

    No-one’s does. No “fine detail” here, it’s a made up figure. Let us all deny misinformation and sloppy research.

  • Mary

    Maybe this one Doug Scorgie.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2013/feb/08/bbc-global-warming-attenborough-africa

    ~~~

    The ex head of food authenticity at the FSA, Dr Woolfe, is suggesting that lamb products may contain horsemeat and recommends that lamb products such as those used in kebab shops should be tested. I read that the FSA is costing the taxpayers £150m pa. What do they do for that?

    In the meantime horsemeat and the Pope are good diversions from the important matters of the hour.

  • doug scorgie

    Well I never…

    “Food companies accused of using tobacco’s tricks to protect profits”
    “New report claims that multinationals are using manipulative tactics that undermine public health.”

    “Global food and drink companies are using techniques pioneered by the tobacco industry to undermine public-health policies designed to combat obesity, diabetes and alcohol-related illnesses, a new study claims.”

    “Multinational firms have distorted research finding, paid large sums to build relationships with health bodies and lobbied governments to block health regulations, according to the paper published in The Lancet.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/junk-science-food-companies-accused-of-using-tobaccos-tricks-to-protect-profits-8490815.html?origin=internalSearch

  • Fred

    “In the original programme, broadcast on Wednesday, Attenborough said: “Some parts of the continent have become 3.5 [degrees] Celsius hotter in the past 20 years.”

    I’m not a climate change denier but 3.5 degrees in 20 years sounds like fantasy to me.

    It may have happened in localised areas but I doubt it has much to do with climate change.

  • guano

    Most kebab shops in cities are halal, and you can probably trust halal meat for the moment because it is closely controlled in the UK. This Tory government is strongly against the Halal meat industry on the pretext of animal cruelty. What this horsemeat scandal shows is that the real reason for their dislike of the halal meat industry is this element of control. Thatcher is the main culprit in permitting offal to be eaten by animals in dry feed, leading to mad cow disease and billions of pounds of slaughtering costs.

    They are not shy about their slaughter of Muslims. How can we expect them to be shy about the slaughter of animals?

  • Fred

    “Thatcher is the main culprit in permitting offal to be eaten by animals in dry feed, leading to mad cow disease and billions of pounds of slaughtering costs. ”

    They’ve been feeding meat and bone meal to cattle since before the first world war.

    It’s processed at very high temperatures and comes as a fine dry powder, they didn’t just give sheep’s intestines to the cows to eat.

  • doug scorgie

    How many times are we told that Israel is a modern democracy that treats all its citizens equally?

    “The sister of comedian Sarah Silverman was arrested at Jerusalem’s Western Wall today for wearing a male prayer shawl during an attempt by women to pray at Judaism’s holiest site.

    “Rabbi Susan Silverman – a member of the liberal Reform movement – and her daughter Hallel, were detained by police for wearing a blue and white tallitot, a shawl reserved only for orthodox men.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/comedienne-sarah-silvermans-sister-arrested-at-western-wall-in-jerusalem-for-wearing-male-prayer-shawl-8490591.html?origin=internalSearch

  • Dave Lawton

    @Mary 8:54 Asked to surrender in World War II

    The Japanese used the word ‘mokusatsu’
    In their response to an Allied ultimatum.
    The Japanese word meant
    ‘We withold comment – pending discussion’.
    When their reply was sent to Washington
    The crucial word was mistranslated:
    Its correct meaning being changed for
    `We are treating your message with contempt’.
    The Americans claimed that their ultimatum had been rebuffed
    So they were free to play with their new toys.
    Two atomic bombs nicknamed ‘Little Boy’ and ‘Fat Man’
    Were then dropped upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    From Mokusatu by Heathcote Williams

  • doug scorgie

    Mission creep in Mali

    Originally:

    “François Hollande made clear that France will not play its old role of regional gendarme, stepping in to prop up African rulers. He promised Mali logistical support, but no boots on the ground.”

    Then, later:

    “Laurent Fabius, [the French] foreign minister, said the intervention would be for a matter of “weeks.”

    Now…

    “Yesterday‘s “surprise” attack by Islamist insurgents in the northern town of Gao could lead to French troops becoming entangled in a messy guerrilla war.”

    See:

    http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21569751-new-more-decisive-french-president-may-have-emerged-many-old-troubles-still-lie
    And:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/frenchled-troops-retake-gao-8490693.html?origin=internalSearch

    What a surprise; and there was me thinking (before the event) that French involvement in Mali could lead to mission creep where France could be dragged into a guerrilla style war.

    But, as ever, the politicians and the military “experts” ignore history, ignore common sense and ignore voices of reason.

    I’m reminded of our former Defence Secretary, John Reid’s remark in 2006 that he expected British forces being sent into Helmand would leave again “without a shot being fired.”

  • Kempe

    Temporary surrender:-

    Article VI
    If the extradition request is granted in the case of a person who is being prosecuted or is serving a sentence in the territory of the requested State for a different offense, the requested State may:

    (a) defer the surrender of the person sought until the conclusion of the proceedings against that person, or the full execution of any punishment that may be or may have been imposed; or

    (b) temporarily surrender the person sought to the requesting State for the purpose of prosecution. The person so surrendered shall be kept in custody while in the requesting State and shall be returned to the requested State after the conclusion of the proceedings against that person in accordance with conditions to be determined by mutual agreement [*7] of the Contracting States.

    The same clause exists in the UK treaty with the US and in most if not all extradition treaties.

  • Villager

    Kempe, thanks for that but i don’t know if you’ve answered my question, how can the UK extradite him from Ecuador to the US? And, therefore, isn’t the comparison between extradition from the UK with Sweden a bit academic? Am I missing something? Aren’t you dealing with a wrong question?

    I want to understand.

  • Mary

    Thank you Dave Lawton. More from the amazing output of Heathcote’s. Those hideous weapons were dropped on Japan as more of an experiment and not to end the war which is the story told.
    ~~~
    Spot on Doug Scorgie. As was predicted.

    ~~~
    This is a comment on Medialens without a link. The Lebedevs are drawing in their horns and cutting their losses by the looks of it.

    Job losses loom at independent now that it has merged with Indy on Sunday
    Posted by emersberger on February 12, 2013, 5:15 pm

    indy on Sunday editor already chopped.
    ~~~
    The local district general hospital is now cutting 30 jobs after a long period of not filling vacancies. Destabilize and demoralize those remaining. Old friends still there say they can’t wait to retire. Cameron goes on about his love for the NHS etc. Hunt using the phrase ‘care and compassion’ all the time lately.
    ~~~

  • A Node

    Regarding the BBC’s climate change policy.

    In 2006, the BBC announced that it had “held a high-level seminar with some of the best scientific experts and has come to the view that the weight of evidence no longer justifies equal space being given to the opponents of the consensus” on man-made climate change. There followed a protracted attempt by ‘sceptics’ to find out the names of those experts. The BBC spent a lot of licence fees preventing licence payers from obtaining this information, but eventually the list came out. Of the 28 ‘experts’, only 3 were climate scientists, self declared alarmists, and the rest were activists from the environmental lobby, industry, think tanks, and NGOs. One was the disgraced Mike Hulme who was at the heart of the Climategate scandal. There were no sceptics amongst them. The BBC made its mind up after listening to only one side of the debate.

    Whatever the facts of climate change, it’s hard to interpret the BBC’s behaviour as anything other than a deliberate attempt to mislead the public over the science behind it.

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