344 thoughts on “We’re Not Dead Yet

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  • Hasbarista

    Its Zen Koan time again:-

    Was Mr Cause n Effect more SILENT than the Pope of Rome during Rwanda genocide or during WW2?

    All answers to be submitted to Rwanda Embassy as they are at it AGAIN.

  • Herbie

    “our definitions of ‘substance’ are markedly different”

    Absolutely. Your definition seems only to include discussion of some posters and sucking up to others.

    Be sure and let me know how you get on with that, eh.

  • Flaming June

    Wow! There’s money in them thar Krishnamurti hills!

    KRISHNAMURTI FOUNDATION TRUST LTD Charity NO 312865
    Activities

    TO ADVANCE THE EDUCATION OF THE PUBLIC IN PHILOSOPHY, SOCIOLOGY, PSYCHOLOGY AND COMPARATIVE RELIGION AND IN PARTICULAR TO PROMOTE IN THOSE FIELDS THE STUDY OF THE TEACHINGS OF JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI.

    Income £2,136,795
    Spending £1,791,660

    http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/find-charities/

    And there’s even a handy branch in Israel.
    Krishnamurti Committee Israel

    Avraham Jacoby
    Shear Iashoov St No 3/14
    Ramat Gan 52276
    ISRAEL
    Phone: +972 0545608017
    Email: [email protected]
    go to website…

    Ramat Gan is a settlement near Tel Aviv. Centre of the diamond industry etc.

    To think I initially fell for the stuff.

  • AlcAnon

    Ben,

    I don’t buy that analysis. I think the car hit a fire hydrant before it hit the palm tree. Transmission may have been ripped off when it drove over the hydrant then continued its own way at high speed. Hydrant could be seen gushing in earliest videos before any fire engines arrived. I am >90% certain he hit the hydrant first anyway, at least based based on early video at scene.

  • Villager

    Herbie i shan’t gratify you with your pathetic point scoring tactics. You were warned by Habby yesterday and put on the mat for Craig’s words of standards he expects.

    ” and sucking up to others.”

    Put up your examples…

  • Villager

    [Mod/Jon: please avoid the word “bigot”, thanks. Post removed since it was mainly a personal attack.]

  • Dreoilin

    “And there’s even a handy branch in Israel …
    Ramat Gan is a settlement near Tel Aviv. Centre of the diamond industry etc.
    To think I initially fell for the stuff.”

    I don’t know what that means, Mary, but maybe you’d read up on this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

    (A member of my family tends to quote Krishnamurti too. Feck all to do with Israel.)

  • Sofia Kibo Noh

    @Villager. 7 35pm

    “I am here to share my observations and discuss.”

    Is that why you regularly post here giving us impenetrable interpretations of the message of your spiritual teacher. You tell us how you’ve analysed our ignorance and faults, and hand out disrespectful judgements, often using pretty intemperate language.

    It’s your business who you choose to believe and follow. Also it’s up to you how you conduct your inner journey and what judgements you form, however low, of other posters here.

    But isn’t the point of posting on comment threads to share information and test and challenge opinions, outlooks and narratives? Isn’t it good to see other styles and takes on things and also have a bit of banter?

    Why are you wasting your time pronouncing public judgements on the perceived weaknesses of other posters when, by your own admission, you believe you would be better occupied using your precious time on the important inner work?

    Why do you visit here at all when it gets you so wound-up and uncentred?

    If a poster comments on the styles and personalities of other posters, surely it’s ok to challenge them with the occasional bit of teasing? We can all tell the difference between banter and bullying.

    What about the issues?

    How do you think the growing police state in the UK can be rolled back for example?

    Why, do you think when people like David Kelly or Michael Hastings die unusual deaths, after telling their friends and colleagues that they are worried for their safety, there are so many odd circumstances?

    And then there is always 65years of the disaster being inflicted on the Palestinian people. How does a globally connected communtiy find a way to bring a just resolution to this mess?

    Let’s be honest, our posting faults are really not that important in the great scheme of things and we can all go on working things out for ourselves with whatever teachers and companions we choose.

    Why not go easy on the fractious stuff?

  • Villager

    Sofia, i don’t know what the word spiritual means. I don’t do interpretations. The stuff is there to read verbatim. If you ask me a question i will reply based on who i am not some interpretations.

    Don’t worry about me being wound-up — i don’t. Don’t misinterpret my observations as springing from being wound-up. All relationships/communication are mirrors and yes we learn from each other, but that does not mean i have to submit to your test.

    Btw you didn’t have a problem with the Nevermind firing at Habby about blue pills off your shoulder. Is this what passes for camaraderie and Neverminds rants about the stray cat for humour around here?

    I watch keenly how you comrades-in-arms are going to make one gitmo of a difference to this conflicted world.

    http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-video/can-we-together-create-a-good-society-full-version.php

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    AlcAnon; You saw the data for 250 mph for the engine to rest 130 ft away? If it was the hydrant first causing the drivetrain to separate, how much faster would the car need to be travelling?

  • Villager

    Flaming June

    ““And there’s even a handy branch in Israel …
    Ramat Gan is a settlement near Tel Aviv. Centre of the diamond industry etc.
    To think I initially fell for the stuff.”

    Just wonder if there are any human beings living in Ramat Gan? Sorry for the simplicity of the question.

    PS this am you wrote me that you didn’t want me to mention your name or engage you? What happened? Are you missing Habbabkuk’s attentions?

  • Flaming June

    No way. Why did you have a dig at me at 7.25pm is the question? It’s like having someone talk about you behind your back. Not very Krishnamurti of you.

  • Sofia Kibo Noh

    @Villager.9 04pm

    “Btw you didn’t have a problem with the Nevermind firing at Habby about blue pills off your shoulder.”

    You use interesting imagery to describe what seems to me to be a little light-hearted teasing.

    Let’s talk about the real issues now.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    Flaming Mary’s shameful post at 20h21 on the charity “Krishnamurti Foundation Trust” has already received a well-made and justifies rebuke from Dreoilin at 20h51, and therefore I shall not add a further rebuke but confine myself to the following question :

    does Flaming Mary now disapprove of the Krishnamurti Foundation Trust because of its over-£2 million income and around-£1,7 million expenditure, or because it has a branch in Israel?

  • Villager

    [Mod/Jon: removed post made exclusively for personal attacks. Please stay on whatever the topic is]

  • AlcAnon

    Ben,

    It’s not the entire engine + transmission that travelled that distance. It’s just the transmission. At least on the photos I’ve seen.

  • Villager

    Yes Sofia it was very interesting that he dragged your name in to make it your recommendation. You didn’t seem to object. I told you thismorning your apology to Habby was insincere. Do you still deny it?

  • Flaming June

    Good piece here on the hypocrisy of Ann Clywdd.

    UK Foreign Secretary Supports Prosecution of War Crimes
    “Whoever they are.”
    by Felicity Arbuthnot / July 17th, 2013

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/07/uk-foreign-secretary-supports-prosecution-of-war-crimes/

    Note that Hague omits any mention of the prosecution of Israeli war criminals. They have of course been given immunity from prosecution under changes to universal jurisdiction by his government when they sneaked the amendment to the Police Reform Act.

    CFoI crowing from the rooftops here.
    http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/Campaigns/UniversalJurisdiction/

    Almog cancelled. Good. Gantz came. Bad.

    From the News for Justice for Palestinians website.
    UK grants immunity for one IDF general; another stays at home
    This posting has these items:
    1) Times of Israel: IDF chief visits UK for first time in a decade ;
    2) Ynet news: IDF chief Gantz to visit London ;
    3) PCHR: Suspected War Criminal Lt. General Gantz Offered ‘Special Mission’ Immunity Before Visit to the UK, July 2nd, 2013;
    4) Ha’aretz: Fear of arrest still prevents Israeli officials from visiting Britain Almog cancels, May 2013;
    5) BBC: Police feared ‘airport stand-off’, a 2008 attempt by Maj-Gen Almog to enter the UK;
    6) Ministry of Justice; Universal Jurisdiction, Government briefing on change in law

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=45384

  • Villager

    “Flaming June
    17 Jul, 2013 – 9:13 pm
    No way. Why did you have a dig at me at 7.25pm is the question? It’s like having someone talk about you behind your back. Not very Krishnamurti of you.”

    First i am no more K’s alter ego than i see you as Arafat’s alter ego. So i have no idea of what “Not very Krishnamurti of you”
    means. Anyway you declared you nearly fell for the stuff so its not a very meaningful statement is it?

    I’ll answer your question about the dig if you first tell me, in your opinion are there any human beings at all in Israel or in that suburb mentioned above? Plus Habby’s pertinent questions please.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    @ Herbie

    Good to see that you’re up and about and again posting on the UK constitution and the Monarchy.

    This gives me the occasion to revert to your post of yesterday, which I reproduce hereafter for readers’ ease of reference :

    “There are two answers to Britain’s recurrent problem in having a constitutional setup that almost always produces an elective dictatorship.

    1. Abolish the monarchy and elect an executive president with real power.

    2. Strengthen parliament and make the electoral system more representative of the people.

    2. is what’s normally proposed these days, but they don’t ever seem to get around to it.

    1. is easier. You just need media to work their Diana magic again.”
    ____________

    Just to help me understand your “answer” No 1 a little better: as an answer to the problem of the “elective dictatorship” (an all-powerful executive arising out of the legislature and against which the legislature can do little)… you are suggesting the abolition of the Monarchy, which has little legislative and no executive power, and its replacement by an “executive” President with “real” power??

    Glad if you could explain this rather puzzling statement.

    Thank you!

  • Villager

    “does Flaming Mary now disapprove of the Krishnamurti Foundation Trust because of its over-£2 million income and around-£1,7 million expenditure, or because it has a branch in Israel?”

    And that would include an excellent boarding school, not far from London called Brockwood Park where they tailor education to raise a new kind of human being with heightened levels of awareness. If i am not mistaken Dr David Bohm was a trustee,

    http://brockwood.org.uk

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    I have relatives both by blood and marriage. Some of them I avoid because arguments arise. When I have to be around them, I studiously avoid talking with them about anything other than the weather or health matters. Isn’t that better than spoiling gatherings for others? Enquiring minds ask those questions.

  • Villager

    Sofia

    “And then there is always 65years of the disaster being inflicted on the Palestinian people. How does a globally connected communtiy find a way to bring a just resolution to this mess?”

    I don’t know what you mean by a globally connected community in this context, but why don’t you tell us how we will ”
    find a way to bring a just resolution to this mess?”

  • Villager

    Ben, thats a sane response and healthy pragmatic approach. Because of my deep appreciation of ayurveda, a science based holistic approach, i even tend to avoid discussing health.

    But Flaming Mary seems to have sought me out from across the other side of the room. I had predicted it’d be Hotter than July. We’ll see if she has rather more than clerical input to K’s UK charity or why their is a branch in Israel! LOL. With this level of what passes for activism today what hope can we have?

  • AlcAnon

    And as there seems to be a lot of confusion in various forums and in the media about the Washington/UCSD research on car hacking. I have seen it frequently stated that the university researchers needed to physically compromise the car and attach a device before remote control was possible. That was the subject of their earlier 2010 paper. Their 2011 paper proved that they did not need physical access. They could compromise the car by numerous methods including bluetooth , cellular, car-hifi (infected MP3s, infected CDs) etc. Once compromised and new server code loaded an attack could be initiated simply at a suitable later time via bluetooth or incoming phone call.

    No access to physical car electronics needed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHfOziIwXic
    http://www.autosec.org/pubs/cars-usenixsec2011.pdf

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    Flaming June’s post at 21h30 on the subject of Universal Jurisdiction and the visit to the UK of Israeli Chief of Staff Gantz includes the following :

    “Note that Hague omits any mention of the prosecution of Israeli war criminals. They have of course been given immunity from prosecution under changes to universal jurisdiction by his government when they sneaked the amendment to the Police Reform Act.”
    _______________

    This statement is inaccurate and misleading and therefore requires correction by a re-statement of the FACTS. These are as follows:

    1/. The UK’s “Universal Jurisdiction” legislation provided before its amendment – and still provides, subsequent to its amendment, that anyone (ie, individuals or groups) can apply to the UK courts for an arrest warrant to ensure that those accused of certain crimes committed abroad(notably war crimes specified in the UK’s Geneva Conventions Act (1957), torture and hostage-taking) face justice in the UK, provided of course that those so accused find themselves in territories under UK jurisdiction.

    2/. The change introduced by the Police Reform Act to which Flaming June refers requires that the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions is now required before such an arrest warrant is issued in Universal Jurisdiction cases brought by individuals or groups.

    (To be noted that the DPP is a civil servant; the original intention of the govt was that the Attorney General’s – a politician and member of the govt – consent should be required).

    The objective of this change was to prevent abuse by individuals or groups seeking to make a political statement or to cause embarassment.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    The above should make it clear that it is misleading and inaccurate to state, as Flaming June does, that the change gives blanket immunity from prosecution under the UK’s Universal Jurisdiction legislation to “Israeli war criminals”.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Flaming June is conflating this change with the granting of “Special Mission” status to General Gantz’s visit to the UK. This is a specific prerogative of the govt and what it means, in practice, is that the govt has barred the DPP from giving consent to prosecute should an individual or group attempt to seek an arrest warrant against General Gantz.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I of course stand willing to be corrected by Flaming June should any of the above be factually wrong.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    Sorry, one line of my post should have read as follows :

    “..that the govt has barred the DPP from giving consent to THE ISSUING OF AN ARREST WARRANT should an individual or group attempt…etc”

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    @ Ben (22h08)

    A nice one, Ben, but we are not in a socail gathering with friends or relatives, are we.

    Furthermore, your plea for “dissidents” to keep silent amounts to saying that certain posters should be able to say whatever they like without running to risk of being questioned or contradicted, doesn’t it.

    Stiff upper lip and bite on your tongue, huh? It’s just tosh.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    I made no such plea, so perhaps you should check the barmymeter. You can rattle on all day and all night. It matters not a wit to me, but then you know that already. You move on to greener pastures when the milk goes sour, unless you can get a self-satisfying rise from someone, anyone.

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