Seeing Tony Blair speaking at Ariel Sharon’s Funeral – one war criminal eulogising another – was so horrifying it has jolted this blog back out of retirement. There may be no justice, but there can be truth.
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Anon Troll Buster
“All I can see ESLO did was contest Guano’s view that “those promoting the quenelle were anti Semites rather than anti Zionists” ”
What planet do trolls live on?
Now that we see how quickly the trolls twist everything round, misquote, falsify and block out truth and truthseeking opinion, I think I will stop using this particular public urinal until some kind of moderation is on.
“I think I will stop using this particular public urinal until some kind of moderation is on.”
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Public urinal says guano.
(Nominative) pots and kettles?
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Dreoilin wrote:
Where’s the NSA/GCHQ when you need them for backups 🙂
You are of course welcome at Squonk!
Doug Scourge
“ESLO there is no anti-Semitism on this site.”
So you don’t think praising the quenelle and its promoters amounts to anti-Semitism? Or do you really think that Guano is a Zionist troll? I think you will find that ESLO was trying to inform everyone – but only Nevermind joined in the criticism. And of course Daniel Rich and John Goss have both provided links to openly anti-Semitic websites in the past (and no I will not provide links to readvertise their dirty work).
“ESLO if you disagree with a posters position discuss it and put forward a counter-position using logical argument.”
Perhaps ESLO just assumed that there was a consensus among most people here that torture was not acceptable whoever the person – and that to put forward a counter-position supported by a logical argument to those arguing otherwise would be facile in the extreme. But please feel to support Mary’s view that torture of selected individuals is acceptable with the over powering force of your logic. Might I suggest you do this as a priority before venturing forth with posts on other subjects, as I am in sore need of a good laugh.
@ Komodo,
The internet started out crisp, clear and clean, but developed just like nature did; it has its very own ticks, lice and other pests. Monikers might change, the language never does.
Freedom [well, as we dream it should be] cannot have its wings clipped, for its final destination then, like that of Icarus before it, will be oblivion.
War criminals walk freely among us. That thought should send shivers down every right-minded person’s spine.
Guano
Interesting to see that you view this blog as a public urinal – it certainly explains your outburst in support of the quenelle and its promoters.
@DR
War criminals walk freely among us.
Yes – together with those who act as apologists for them and their predecessors
“The internet started out crisp, clear and clean, but developed just like nature did;”
I was reading somewhere recently how one of the impacts of the introduction of the printing press and the subsequent boom in cheaper literature was that initially instead of allowing a true cross fertilisation of ideas and the knowledge that the initial effect was often the opposite and that it encouraged greater sectarianism and intolerance. All the various sects were able to develop a more detailed and voluminous literature that supported their views and allowed them to sustain their thinking in their own closed cells. Much the same phenomenom can now be seen on the internet – and todays exchanges on not upsetting the prevailing views of the local soviet would certainly support further evidence.
BTW Did anyone read any good books as instructed by Jon when the blog was down.
PS I trust Craig is well and recovering from his medical travails – a friend saw him at Nottingham University recently and commented that he had lost a lot of weight.
What does the Quartet ME envoy have to say about these?
Well Mary if you bothered to look at his website then you might find out. While he understandably may not wish to give a running commentary on very injustice carried out in Israel or Palestine – I think if you look at what he is saying on Gaza there is a lot that even Mary would not disagree with:
http://www.quartetrep.org/quartet/pages/the-gaza-strip/
And perhaps Blair’s approach achieves rather more in concrete terms than the approach being adopted by Mary et al.
“Where’s the NSA/GCHQ when you need them for backups :-)”
Indeed! I could have used them over Christmas …
“You are of course welcome at Squonk!”
Thanks AlcAnon. I’ll pop in whenever I can. I like this Mac, but so far I seem to spend a lot of time looking for things that I used to be very familiar with (in Windoze). It’ll take me a wee while to become au fait with its little idiosyncrasies.
As for the rest of the comments, I see that very little (if anything) has changed. I thought that the way the blog was, comments-wise, before it went silent, would have brought people up short. But no. Still poking each other with sticks.
Uzbek in the UK, 17 Jan 1:49 pm: I think that Snowden being in Russia is probably a result of the great power both of the US and Russia. He can’t be in the US, and the US has prevented him from traveling to most other places, and withdrawn his passport.
Obviously Russia want him for now, because his leaks work against US power. But what of the US? Has the US got it wrong by removing Snowden’s other options, or did they calculate that it would be best for Russia to have him, and if so, why?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Temporary_asylum_in_Russia
For those who care: The End of Palestine? An Interview with Norman G. Finkelstein
ESLO
17 Jan, 2014 – 4:50 pm
You say that some posters here are:
“…arguing that anti-Semitism no longer exists/seeking to define it away….”
Not true is it or can you back that up with examples and explain your reasoning?
For God’s sake ban him, someone . . . as well as his alter egos . . .
ESLO
17 Jan, 2014 – 5:13 pm
“Doug I can clearly remember Habba making such a comment…”
ESLO please don’t interrupt. Let Habbabkuk answer for himself.
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
17 Jan, 2014 – 6:08 pm
Habbabkuk will you stop answering on behalf of ESLO
‘Trolling is an Internet slang term used to describe any Internet user behavior that is meant to intentionally anger or frustrate someone else. It is often associated with online discussions where users are subjected to offensive or superfluous posts and messages in order to provoke a response.
All your carefully picked arguments can easily be ignored.
Anything you say can and will be used against you.
Anything you say can be turned into something else – fixed.
Do not argue with trolls – it means that they win.
The harder you try the harder you will fail.’
Therefore do not correspond with them.
Anon asks:
“Herbie. I finished your video posted last night and, despite my initial scepticism, the rather simplistic editing reminiscent of The Power of Nightmares, and the doom music, it seemed to me to be greatly advocating capitalism, something which you are not very fond of, if I recall correctly?
I would be glad if you could clear this up. Cheers.”
You’re correct that I’m not very fond of Capitalism. You’re incorrect that the film greatly advocates Capitalism.
I think the film is much more concerned with outcomes for humanity and our habitat, and our capacity to retain any semblance of the humanity we need for survival. It seems that we still have that on a personal level but have created a system which is destructive of it at political, corporate and bureaucreatic level, and maybe that needs to be addressed.
Happy to tease these issues out if you like. They do press into full relief some of the rather more superficial disputes peeps often have.
Welcome back Craig. Let’s hope for joy.
Emotions are high here it seems and at least we should remain pivotal.
Craig’s post spoke of war criminality being ignored, thus fermenting anguish amongst those that seek truth and righteousness expressed in the post.
We must forge on. Iideas any one?
@ R D
Good idea David Copperfield was a wonderfully engaging read.
Have you ideas for a Global Civil Society.?
Mary is right – Troll moderation is ON. Troll contribution is OFF on my computer. Spambot appearance means their Zionist bosses are not happy that commonsense and truth have prevailed again.
@ Resident Dissident
I just wanted to thank you for providing that link re. the thinking of the Quartet ME envoy.
It is good that one can rely on you and some others to provide the information which should of course have been supplied by the original poster (Mary in this case.
I think it is important that individuals plug away in the appropriate manner – undeterred by accusations of being a troll and appeals for banning or other forms of censorship – to expose half-truths and innuendo, not to mention downright mendacity and to call the purveyors of such to account as often as necessary. This is what I should call true “entering into the spirit of the discussion”.
Mary
Without wanting to feed you might I suggest you kindly look at how many boxes you tick when it comes to troll behaviour. Your engagement with anyones arguments is to say the least minimal.
An American Zionist view:
“Our enemy is Hamas-Fatah. As described recently by an Arab essayist writing on the Palestinian Authority (PA) news site, these two organizations represent the two halves of the Arab War against Israel. Hamas is the religious half. Fatah (PLO) is the secular half.”
“Right now, Hamas and Fatah are not friends. But they recognize that they want the same goal—to destroy Israel. So they talk (yet again) about reconciliation.”
“Fatah is also concerned about corruption. Corruption is rampant in the Palestinian Authority. They admit having trouble controlling it.”
“Can Israel sign a peace with corrupt people? Would you buy a used car from a corrupt dealer?”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/5517#.UtpHw7xFBLM
Same author:
“In Israel, the media promote peace… The US comes to Israel and promotes peace talks… Israel’s Jewish leaders want to give peace a chance.”
“But in PA news, there is no talk of peace. Instead, the talk is of an illegitimate PLO/Hamas maintaining a strangle-hold on the ‘Palestinian people’. This strangle-hold throttles Palestinian national rights and self-determination.”
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Blogs/Message.aspx/5492#.UtpQo7xFBLM
Chutzpa or not?
Please discuss.
Resident Dissident
17 Jan, 2014 – 11:24 pm
“So you don’t think praising the quenelle and its promoters amounts to anti-Semitism?”
Who says it’s anti-Semitic? What I’ve read of the reports is that the people using it claim it is anti-Zionist and anti-establishment. I could be wrong please furnish me with your take on the issue.
Scorgie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieudonn%C3%A9_M'bala_M'bala
Hardly the model anti-Zionist. Do keep up.
Scorgie
The BNP also claim to be anti-establishment and anti-zioniost – is that sufficient for you to ignore their other beliefs?
‘Merkin on Paris
And delighted to see you back too. Someone told me you had shuffled off this mortal coil. Delighted it’s not true!’
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Thanks, Craig.
Most people howling about antisemitism aren’t even Semites themselves. Oh, and hating Palestinians is antisemitism as well. Keep up the good work.