The Fashion for Hypocrisy

by craig on March 3, 2014 12:28 pm in Uncategorized

Hypocrisy seems to be massively in fashion.  This from William Hague renders me speechless: “Be in no doubt, there will be consequences. The world cannot say it is OK to violate the sovereignty of other nations.”

Then today we have the British Establishment at a closed event in Westminster Abbey in memory of Nelson Mandela.  Prince Harry, David Cameron, all the toffs.  I was never more than a footsoldier in the anti-apartheid movement, but I trudged through the rain and handed out leaflets in Dundee and Edinburgh.  I suspect very few indeed of the guests at this posh memorial service did that.  David Cameron was actively involved in Conservative groups which promoted precisely the opposite cause.

My first appointment in the Foreign Office was to the South Africa (Political) desk in 1984.  The official British government line was that the ANC was a terrorist organization.  I faced hostility and disapproval even when I tried to get action on appalling human rights abuses like the case of Oscar Mpetha (thanks here to Tony Gooch and Terry Curran, they know why).  I got in big trouble for asking how many black guests had been received in the High Commissioner’s residence in Pretoria.

Every day, on a day to day basis, my job involved dealing with members of the British establishment, its political, business and professional communities.  The entire tenor of those meetings was how to prevent economic sanctions, circumvent existing sanctions and prolong the economic advantages to the UK of white rule.  Support for PW Botha was axiomatic.  I have no doubt many of those people or those who worked alongside them are in Westminster Abbey today.

The final extraordinary outbreak of hypocrisy is on the British left.  Russian military invasion of Ukraine is approved by them, because it is an invasion by Russia, and not an invasion by the West.  They are precisely as hypocritical as Hague.  Both think it is OK to violate the sovereignty of other nations, but only by their chosen side.

Until 1917, Russia was an Empire, avowedly so.  Thereafter the Soviet Union was a non-avowed Empire. The Crimea, and the rest of the Caucasus, was not colonized by Russia until the 1820’s onward.  The reason Crimea has a majority Russian population is that Stalin deported the Krim Tartars as recently as the 1930’s.  That was an old fashioned, wholesale  colonial atrocity, precisely similar to the British clearing parts of Kenya for white settlement.

In the mid-nineteenth century, Russian statesmen like Nesselrode appealed to the British in particular, not to oppose their expansion in the Caucasus, because as he said like the British they were white Christian Europeans engaged in a civilizing mission among savages and Muslims.  It was precisely the same colonial motivation the British used.  There is no moral difference, or even overt difference in justification at the time, between British colonization of India and Russian colonization of Chechnya.  Because Britain happens to be an island, we think of Empires as something you get to by ship.  Russia’s Empire happened to be a contiguous land mass.  But Dagestan, Chechnya, and Tartarstan were none the less colonies, exactly as were Kokhand, Bokhara and Khiva, formed to make Uzbekistan.  Yet left wing anti-colonialism does not demand decolonisation by Russia, only the West. Gross hypocrisy.

 

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  1. “Washington wants missile bases in Ukraine in order to degrade Russia’s nuclear deterrent, thus reducing Russia’s ability to resist US hegemony. Only three countries stand in the way of Washington’s hegemony over the world, Russia, China, and Iran.”

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/03/03/washingtons-arrogance-hubris-evil-set-stage-war/

  2. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    3 Mar, 2014 - 9:13 pm

    Craig has done an excellent job in skewering the fashion for hypocrisy in political life in the real world

    After almost 100 comments on this thread – most of which are unfavourable to Craig’s thoughts – it’s perhaps timely if we were to skewer the hypocrisy of most of the commenters here in this unreal world. A hypocrisy to which I and a few others (ESLO, Resident Dissident, Anon, Kempe…) have been pointing for quite a while now and which I’m pleased to note Craig seems to have recognised as well.

    Let’s be honest – this indignation about “neo-Nazis” in the interim Ukraine govt is entirely synthetic. Most of the hypocrites don’t really give a damn about neo_Nazis: as evidenced by their constant support (cf threads passsim) of individuals and régimes whose actions are or were indistinguishable from those of neo-Nazis in intention and effect.

    Therefore, this (unsubstantiated) talk of neo-Nazis is just a stick with which to beat the new Ukrainian govt. So what are most of the lefty regulars really pissed about? The evidence points to two things:

    1/. a thuggish and undemocratically-inclined President of Ukraine – and, crucially, a soul-mate of thuggish, undemocratically-inclined President rasPutin – has been kicked out;

    2/. worse, the lefty regulars are convinced that the US and the West were responsible for this laudable development. In other words, what has happened represents – oh, horror! – a “victory” for the US and the West against the Kremlin pin-up. This is of course unforgivable.

    Case closed, I’d say.

  3. doug scorgie

    3 Mar, 2014 - 9:14 pm

    Old mark
    3 Mar, 2014 – 5:10 pm

    “Details are sketchy here, but if the report is true, the Russian side has just dangerously upped the stakes-“

    At times like this take what the BBC says with a pinch of salt – it is practically run by the security services.

  4. “But Russia’s Vladimir Putin is frustratingly wily for his opponents. For one, this protective principle is not to be confused with humanitarian intervention, an inchoate doctrine that admits, disingenuously, to no self-interest other than those of the “innocent” civilians. Rather, it is a principle based on intervention for reasons of nationality, otherwise termed the “doctrine of diplomatic protection.” Like it or not, Putin is playing by the book all strong powers have written over the centuries.” Binoy Kampmark analyses.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2014/03/02/ukraines-games-of-sovereignty-russia-vs-us-exceptionalism/#sthash.IPinMVhP.dpuf

  5. Letter from Yanukovych presented to UN by Russians. Yanukovych asks for Russian military help.

  6. “Putin himself has not yet said much publicly. Everything has been done through his spokesmen. He’s spoken privately to many officials, but has not made any major speeches.

    That is a good point, and it reinforces my sense that we don’t know what his tactics are or what his strategy is. To what extent is this a plan, and to what extent is this an improvisation and largely a reaction to the rapid deterioration of the Russian position in Ukraine? The fact that he hasn’t said things that have locked him in is, to me, a glimmer of hope. And again, one thing it suggests is we shouldn’t give up on—however skeptical we are—the idea of negotiating something of a return to the status quo ante, where Russian troops would leave and you would have some kind of a joint Russian, EU, U.S., IMF economic package for Ukraine, which among other things would include some protections for the Russian speakers in Crimea and eastern Ukraine. That might be a long shot given where we now are, but I certainly would not give up on that kind of an outcome at this point.”

    http://www.cfr.org/ukraine/respond-ukraines-crisis/p32522

    IMO, any negotiation which includes the IMF won’t fly.

  7. Yanukovych is the democratically elected President of the Ukraine who was overthrown by the thugs in Washington and their stooges in London, as the disarray on the content as to how to respond to the coup demonstrates.

    Nothing is closed now.

  8. I had thought I was going to disagree with you at first, thinking FO expects a gentleman to lie for his country etc, read on thinking that although in your life you have paid the price for not playing the game you can’t really complain about no invite, read on about your RSA post, thought you have a good point to make there, and read on then on about the hypocrisy on the left over the Russian invasion of Ukraine I thought your bang on. Please continue to defy expectations.

    There is a childish article in this week’s Spectator by James Delingpole, who suggests that right wing news agencies should feed people what they want. Eeeehhmm they do, although the good thing about the Spectator is that it is not always as predictable as you might think (except for on fracking)

  9. Craig 3 Mar, 2014 – 1:13 pm
    “Phil, “More government, more bureaucracy, more laws, more police, more coercion”. I have consistently argued for less of all of those. I am deleting your comment as it is a deliberate falsehood.”

    Your repeated enthusiasm for the EU, and various other forms of government, would seem fairly described as an enthusiasm for “bigger” government (“bigger” being one part of my deleted comment that didn’t make your quote).

    I contend that “more bureaucracy, more laws, more police and more coercion” are an inevitable consequences of bigger, stronger, more government. Call for one and the others follow. I suspect you missed that and deleted over defensively.

    And by saying “deliberate” you assign motivation to me – something you often counsel others against. Hypocrisy lives in the heart of governments, some lefties and even some liberal establishment minded bloggers.

  10. “After negotiations with the European Union, and a parallel effort by Ukraine to secure loans from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) broke down, the Ukrainian government blamed the collapse of the agreement on the IMF’s push for severe austerity measures. Announcing the end of the negotiations, Ukrainian Prime Minister Mykola Azarov called the IMF’s austerity demands the “last straw.” IMF requirements listed by Ukraine include a wage freeze for public employees and large increases in home utility costs.”

    http://www.solidaritycenter.org/content.asp?contentid=1755

    Heavy coercion is the only path for this tactic.

  11. Just me, 3 Mar, 2014 – 9:07 pm

    Yes, a good point about wanting a US missile base. Those who argue that they don’t would be advised to look at Poland and how that country has moved from the Russian sphere of influence and now has US military bases there. The Binoy Kampmark link in my previous comment mentions that at the time the shooting kicked off there were three ministers from European countries in Kiev “Germany’s Frank-Walter Steinmeier, France’s Laurent Fabius, and Poland’s Radoslaw Sikorski, were in Kiev during the shootings. The otherwise conservative Economist could hazard that their presence “may have facilitated a controlled collapse of Mr. Yanukovych’s rule.” “

  12. Yossi
    …In the meantime have a look at one of the revolutionaries intimidating a government official.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT35J5C3EWs#t=30

    .
    Alexander Muzichko (aka Sashko Byliy) is one of the leaders of the “Right Sector” neo-nazi organization, also a member of the UNA-UNSO “Viking” squad. In 1994 he fought Russian troops in Chechnya.
    He was one of Dudayev’s body guards, the former Chechen president.
    Said to be connected to a unit of Shamil Basayev’s (who claimed responsibility for the Beslan school massacre in 2004, when 334 hostages were killed, including 186 children).
    .
    Here he is talking about a weapons cache sacked from an army base at Rivne, saying they will be used against the Russian bases in Crimea (note, on 25th Feb).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74LUtuKSKYk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74LUtuKSKYk

  13. Only three countries stand in the way of Washington’s hegemony over the world, Russia, China, and Iran.”

    Except that the US lets an Israeli company, Magal Security Systems, handle some of the security at US nuclear installations, both civil and military. Mind you, so does Germany (civil).

    I think I’m right in saying that Russia doesn’t. (Corrections welcome.)

    Meanwhile, if there is a physical attack on ‘ethnic Russians’ in eastern Ukraine, I wouldn’t assume the Russian authorities are behind it.

  14. I see there is another Mike operating here (comment relating to 30,000 Russian troops). Jon/mod will confirm that I am Spartacus.

    Let’s hope this bozo doesn’t get any ear-time in Washington.

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/03/01/nato_needs_to_move_now_on_crimea

  15. “The overthrown president, who has since fled to Russia, was accused of mass murder, and the new government demanded his extradition (a dumb move, since Russia’s constitution forbids extradition). But there are serious questions about this interpretation of events: the special forces were never issued rifles and were never ordered to open fire on the protesters; there were quite a few special forces members themselves among those killed; the killings were carried out in such a manner as to incite rather than quell protest, by targeting women, bystanders and those assisting the wounded. The killings were followed by a professionally orchestrated public relations campaign, complete with a catchy name—“Heaven’s Hundred” (“Небесная сотня”)—complete with candlelight vigils, rapid clean-up and laying of wreaths at the scene of the crime and so on.”

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.ca/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html#more

  16. I rather think this particular deck-chair would be much better placed over there.
    Don’t you know, old boy.

    I can’t see why Craig mocks lefties. In recent months I have been surviving on 60 quid a week, thanks to a load of righties deciding to take charge, on a minority vote, and impose sanctions on the UK population. There has been no construction industry in the UK until election year. Where’s the Crime in Russia assisting a Russian majority in the Crimea?

    The Chinese banks assist the Chinese people to do business. What a weird’ old-fashioned socialist principle. But Craig’s mocking will surely itself be turned into an object of ridicule when China and its moral anchor of people power takes over the world. I’d give it 40 years.

  17. My other thought was whether we too could (or have) plans to be able to our troops out in their thousands seemingly at very short notice without insignia (and not by labouriously unsewing the stitches, which might be the British way) . If we did oh what horror there would be and cries of there goes G****o.

    COUP IN SCOTLAND?
    What if Scotland wins the vote and there is then some financial crisis after a rejection from the EU, say the Scottish government are forced by circumstances or blackmailed to take the Ruble, there is a terrible crisis, and some unelected pro Britain group take over after a bit of a Scottish Maiden and ask Westminster (or Washington) to provide military support. Would that be ok?

    BTW not this is not said to put anyone off independence I am almost in favour.. The reasons I am slightly in favour include a love of the history of the border reviers, which when I think about it is itself a good enough reason for voting against. Border reviers ehhm romantic history here in Britain but it wasn’t romantic at the time. It was very bloody lawless and violent. Borders are good for conflict and conflict is sometimes as good for a profit as free trade…..but at a terrible price.

    Or,

    COUP IN ENGLAND?
    What if Scotland won the vote, try to close all military establishments, a Labour UK gov is hesitant, the unthinkable happens at Westminster, and there is an army coup d’etat of England and a withdrawal from the EU (obviously not NATO). The English army go anonymously into Scotland guard the bases at the request of a middle of the night newly elected pro England Scottish leader, who has signs a treaty with Westminster to provide support? What then? Can / should the English army go in?

    We are all hypocritical and generally the need to stay sane helps keep the lid on.

    Finally, surely the posting of unmarked Russian guards and intimidation of Ukraine bases will have triggered a forfeiture clause implied if not express of the Russian lease. Why no Ukrainian 146 forfeiture notice and an application by Russia to the UN for relief from forfeiture. I am not trying to imply that English legal principles should apply everywhere.

  18. http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-transition-government-neo-nazis-in-control-of-armed-forces-national-security-economy-justice-and-education/5371539

    According to Global research, Svobada has 6 cabinet ministers.

    On Svobada FB page, they claim five. And no, I didn’t ‘friend’ them! Names below:

    Oleksandr Sych – Vice Prime Minister
    Andriy Mokhnyk- Minister of Ecology
    Ihor Shvayka- Minister of Agriculture
    Ihor Tenyukh – Minister of Defence

    Prosecutor General – Oleh Maknitskyy

    That’s just claims on the internets, but these are big hitter posts. . As to whether these individuals are hard-right neo nazi’s, further research would be required. That’s the thing, we are expected to be instant experts, because everything happens so fast, which is the advantage the Samantha Powers of the world have over (most of) us. She is an expert, and knows a lot about Ukraine, but she’s still a flint eyed neocon with, it seems to me, dismal judgement.

    I don’t know – or care – much about Ukraine, but I don’t like hard right parties, for sure. I’d take slight issue with Craig’s central point about ‘the left’. I just dislike the term ‘the left’, as it’s an over-arching term. I’m sure Craig is correct about sections of ‘the left’, of course. I am under no illlusions here; Putin is all self-interest, and Russia’s actions are illegal, just as The West’s actions have often been. Intesrestingly, his rhetoric is exactly the same as ours, when we are about to do something illegal. And it makes me laugh when Russian ambassadors – as here in Australia – get carpetted by people like Tony Abbott, who happily agree with everything the US does.

    And Hague is sinister, so I pay zero attention to anything he says. ‘I resign’ might get my attention, until then, my eyes glaze over.

  19. Resident Dissident

    3 Mar, 2014 - 10:23 pm

  20. When it comes to the defense of hypocrisy, offense you seem to believe, is the best defense.

    It is disconcerting though after the US and its sidekicks and lickspittles have fought so many wars against Hitlers in Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc., all in the name of democracy, to find them now in cahoots with Hitlerites in full Nazi regalia armed with chains and cobble stones in the process of destroying a democratic government.

    But, what the Heck, we the people are endlessly gullible.

    Heil Hitler.

    Will we soon have to applaud ethnic cleansing and rampant anti-Semitism in Ukraine?

  21. GutterTheQuantifier

    3 Mar, 2014 - 10:32 pm

    Does anybody know where I can get hold of black and orange striped flags and/or ribbons?
    (This is a serious question, not a rhetorical point)

  22. Resident Dissident

    3 Mar, 2014 - 10:38 pm

    Habba 9:13am I almost totally agree – my quibble is that you call the friends of Putin lefties when they are no such thing. There is a perfectly decent tradition of true lefties in this country who have always placed liberty and freedom above support for autocrats who oppose this country and other western democracies. The fact that they have now ended up supporting Putin who really doesn’t have a socialist idea in his head – and has practised a form of economics which bears no relationship to any recognised left wing model of economics at the same time as quashing the civil liberties of many of its citizens and treating non Russians within his empire with a contempt that is bordering on racism – really just demonstrates how far they has fallen from any socialist or left wing ideal. In future could we just refer to them as fellow travellers or useful idiots – I ‘ll let others decide which is which.

  23. Resident Dissident

    3 Mar, 2014 - 10:40 pm

    “Does anybody know where I can get hold of black and orange striped flags and/or ribbons?”

    Find some yellow and blue ones and then soak them in blood.

  24. ESLO, Hen Gogledd is a great part of Britain’s history and I had not heard of Elmet so thanks for the mention I will read up on it (i am a bit sceptical at first), but surely come on they were Welsh, or more precisely they were fellow country men, compatriots, cydwladwr, one of the land, fellow company: Cymro. The Old / Hen North / Goglydd is another reason for hestitating to vote yes as parts of Scotland were Welsh speaking until the (12 . Another reason is the word Cymro which can not but imply unity not division.

  25. doug scorgie

    3 Mar, 2014 - 10:45 pm

    I’ve just seen the BBC news regarding the Ukraine crisis.

    During the report footage was shown of Russian tanks firing shells and rockets being launched and lots of explosions.

    This was file footage of past Russian military exercises; nothing to do with the Ukraine so very misleading.

    Is this acceptable from the BBC?

    Craig and Habbabkuk what do you think about this?

  26. Habbabkuk,

    Will you wheesht with your little barbs in this thread please?

    There’s much good discourse here-of all stripes-but your little snideys just reveal you as a disruptor who puts their agenda ahead of decent engagement.

    Shallow,really.

    Please overcome your mission and try and broaden a decent thread without your puff.

    Thanks.

  27. Just Me – The Ukraine situation reminds me of a children’s story; Goldilocks and the three bears. In what seems an inoffensive and clean-handed scenario is really trespassing and selfishness.

    PCR is deluded by saying, ‘Only three countries stand in the way of [British] American world hegemony, two nuclear powers, China and Russia and a bag of nuclear knowhow-Iran, presently without the machined fissile material.

    In the Goldilocks story our young readers are so relieved she escapes out the window instead of being eaten by a bear. The moral reasoning of the story is therefore strung between self concern/preservation and transgressive social rule breaking.

    Self concern and preservation materialise into a sense of entitlement to that which does not belong to Goldilocks and we can equate this to British/American exceptionalism and hegemony.

    Globally it is this transgressive social rule breaking that is falsely called ‘violations of International law’ yet international law is relative, multi-disciplined and codified in and by the West. It is removed from Natural law or the law of nature which classifies social rule breaking. We can all apply these natural rules to move as one force and we are many. Expect us – we are the ‘hegemongers’ greatest fear.

    Who wants a ‘Goldilocks Planet?’

  28. Resident Dissident

    3 Mar, 2014 - 10:54 pm

    ESLO’s comments about propiskas reminds of what I saw with my own eyes in Moscow a few years after Putin came to power. Near where I was staying I saw about 20 people, including young children living outside in some bushes – when I enquired who they were I was told that they were “chorny” (which is the name Muscovites give to those from the Caucuses) who had no propiski who had been evicted from their apartments by Moscows finest and were too scared to return in case they were given another beating. I am told that things have got even worse for immigrants in Moscow since then. For all those who bleat on about fascism and are prepared to give that label all so easily to Western governments – might I suggest that what I saw that day was far nearer to the real thing – and it all happened under their heroes watch.

  29. I found this article “Ukraine in Maps” in the New York Times quite instructive. It shows in clear perspective the ethnic and political divisions within the Ukraine.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/27/world/europe/ukraine-divisions-crimea.html

    I don’t pretend to be an expert, but one has to wonder if, as Craig has mentioned, some readjustment of borders might be a realistic solution. But whatever is needed it seems to me that what the Ukraine and Russia need from the West at this time is help in resolving their differences, not finger pointing.

    The peoples of the Ukraine are entitled to a peaceful and fair solution, but one mustn’t forget that Russia is a great nuclear power. There has been a rush to judgement in the West. We are not so keen on democracy where the results are not to our liking, as recently in Egypt, and I can tell you that in my own experience both the UK and Canada have little interest in the rule of law where the establishment is against it. If we carry on in this vein of finger pointing and isolating Russia, we are going to blunder into a war eventually as we did 100 years ago; not perhaps this time, or even next time – but eventually.

  30. шах и мат

    3 Mar, 2014 - 10:58 pm

    NATO is sabre-rattling,

    http://sg.news.yahoo.com/nato-hold-emergency-ukraine-meeting-tuesday-193152181.html

    but with a UNSC seized of the matter

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/03/us-ukraine-crisis-un-idUSBREA221GB20140303

    and a Russian presence that can effortlessly suppress exiguous Ukrainian forces, there will be no authorization for NATO-bloc force in Ukraine. As he did with Syria, Putin will loudly jack a shell into the chamber and calmly explain the UN Charter to the US of A. The US government will stamp their widdle feet and hold their breath till they turn blue. They will get over their tantrum soon enough. And someday they’ll grow up.

    This might just pry open more cracks in NATO. NATO’s a mile wide and an inch deep. The US is frantic to ignore UN Charter Article 53 but its NATO satellites have a lot to lose from aggression.

  31. Resident Dissident

    3 Mar, 2014 - 11:09 pm

    Twyllo

    Funny ESLO should mention Elmet – as my family is from that part of the world around Hebden Bridge. Ted Hughes poems about that part of the world especially those in Remains of Elmet really are evocative of the area – and it is pretty easy to see something Celtic in his style and the rhythm of his work. In my youth I lived a number of years in Wales and have nothing but good memories – I even came top of my class in Welsh one year – so I must have some Celtic roots! Given that the Celts occupied the whole of England before the Romans and Anglo Saxons – and I’m told that most British people have some Celtic DNA – I suspect that are rather more English Celts around than some would like to admit. Would also be a good reason for throwing all this petty nationalism aside and voting No.

  32. “Putin will loudly jack a shell into the chamber and calmly explain the UN Charter to the US of A. ”

    Someone needs to explain it to him first, probably in words of one syllable so that he understands.

    http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml

    Article 2, Paragraph 4.

  33. Quoting CM: “We are referring to the same event, and they left and went to Muscovy. Yes, Ukrainian lands are a potent part of Russia’s national myth. But that is exactly similar to Israel in Jewish national myth. The fact your people were somewhere a thousand or two thousand years ago does not give you the right to it now, if you left in the interim”

    This is the history of Russia that Russians like to repeat to themselves and anyone else who will listen. Conceived by Catherine the Great in order to aggrandise Muscovy, her new home, and to conceal that its origin was in fact in the Golden Horde franchise. There was another history of Muscovy before this new and much improved version was standardised on. In that history they did not yet call themselves Russians, did not lay claim to the legacy of Kievan Rus, admitted that ethnically they were a very mixed bunch with the largest portion being of Finnish-Hungarian tribes. (Ref: Vladimir Belinsky “Country Moksel”)

    Here’s a quote from Karl Marx, Google translate gets the gist across if your Russian is rusty:
    “В кровавом болоте московского рабства, а не в суровой славе норманской эпохи
    стоит колыбель России. Сменив имена и даты, увидим, что политика Ивана III и
    политика современной московской империи являются не просто похожими, а и
    тождественными…
    Россия порождена и воспитана в противной и униженной школе монгольского
    рабства. Сильной она стала лишь потому, что в мастерстве рабства была
    непревзойденной. Даже и тогда, когда Россия стала независимой, она и далее
    осталась страной рабов. Петр I соединил политическую хитрость монгольского раба
    с величием монгольского владетеля, которому Чингисхан завещал покорить мир…
    Политика России – неизменна. Русские методы и тактика менялись, и будут
    меняться, однако главная цель российской политики – покорить мир и править в
    нем – есть и будет неизменной. “Московский панславизм – всего лишь одна из форм
    захватничества”.

  34. Sofia Kibo Noh

    3 Mar, 2014 - 11:23 pm

    Russian Ambassador to the UN Vitaly Churkin says ousted Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich has sent a letter to Putin asking him to use military force in Ukraine to restore law and order.

    “Under the influence of Western countries, there are open acts of terror and violence,” Churkin quoted the letter from Yanukovich to Putin in the third emergency meeting of the UN Security Council.

    “People are being persecuted for language and political reasons,” Churkin read. ”So in this regard I would call on the President of Russia, Mr. Putin, asking him to use the armed forces of the Russian Federation to establish legitimacy, peace, law and order, stability and defending the people of Ukraine.”

    He may be corrupt like so many elected presidents, but, like it or not, he happens to have been elected and, last time I checked his tenure had not run out. Is it legal and appropriate for an elected president to make such a request? Can any lawyerly commenters here clarify?

  35. шах и мат

    3 Mar, 2014 - 11:23 pm

    Don’t you worry, the Russians have 30 IQ points on their NATO counterparts from the highest levels on down the echelons. What Putin grasps is that some people run red lights unless there’s a cop at the corner to intimidate them. Putin will do what he needs to do to contain the most urgent threat to peace, the USA.

    Game over. Peace 1, NATO 0.

  36. Resident Dissident

    3 Mar, 2014 - 11:24 pm

    Evgeueni

    And a lot of Russians also have the blue spot. I of course come from an even more ethnically mixed up country.

  37. Resident Dissident

    3 Mar, 2014 - 11:25 pm

    “Don’t you worry, the Russians have 30 IQ points on their NATO counterparts from the highest levels on down the echelons.”

    Nothing like a bit of racial supremacy.

  38. OT.

    “NHS England patient data ‘uploaded to Google servers’, Tory MP says”

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/03/nhs-england-patient-data-google-servers

  39. no “expert” has been given more MSM Ukraine space than Yale/LSE man of the left, Timothy Snyder. on Democracy Now, he is given far more time than Ray McGovern:

    Amy “left” Goodman makes her position clear in the second sentence of the transcript:

    3 Mar – Democracy Now: Who Is Provoking the Unrest in Ukraine? A Debate on Role of Russia, United States in Regional Crisis
    VIDEO/TRANSCRIPT:
    (2ND SENTENCE): Ukraine’s new prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, said Russian President Vladimir Putin had effectively declared war on his country…
    http://www.democracynow.org/2014/3/3/who_is_provoking_the_unrest_in

    some excerpts:

    TIMOTHY SNYDER, Yale University history professor: Putin and his advisers and the Russian press have made very clear that they understand Ukrainian events not just as an expression of Ukrainian interests or ideas or aspirations, but as part of a decadent European civilization. And by decadence, they mean rejection of Christianity, advocacy of the rights of ethnic and sexual minorities…
    This revolution was started by a Muslim civil society activist. It has ended with a Jew as prime minister of the country…
    Putin will try to argue that all of this just confirms his own view that Russia is all alone as a kind of superior national civilization facing a world conspiracy which, depending upon the mood and depending upon the audience, is either made up of Nazis or gays…

    RAY MCGOVERN, retired CIA analyst: And when you have 65—count them, 65—projects in the Ukraine funded with $100 million, if I were a Russian, I would say, “Hmmm, looks like they’re trying to do with the Ukraine what they did to the rest of Eastern Europe,” what the U.S. pledged not to do, and that is to pluck these countries off one by one and have them join not only the European Community, but NATO. The Russians aren’t going to stand for that. And, you know, the people advising Obama might have warned him that you go a bridge too far when you threaten a strategic interest the Russians consider so sensitive as the Ukraine…
    Who is Geoffrey Pyatt? Well, Geoffrey Pyatt is one of these State Department high officials who does what he’s told and fancies himself as a kind of a CIA operator, because now the CIA doesn’t do much of this stuff, and so State Department have to do it. Now, who is he? He was in Vienna. What was he doing in Vienna? He was orchestrating the election of Amano, Amano to be head of the IAEA, the International Atomic Energy Agency, because they didn’t like Baradei, the guy that they tried to get rid of earlier. But they knew that Amano—and it’s clear from cables from Vienna, from Pyatt, released by WikiLeaks, that Pyatt was glowing and saying, “Amano is so happy for all our support in making him head of the IAEA, and now he’s asked us for a little bit more money, because he’d like to fix up his office.” I mean, it’s so apparent what State Department types now are doing, in a self-styled sort of covert action, political action sort of thing, so to create the right results. And the IAEA is a big deal, OK? Pyatt played a very crucial role in that, and now he’s doing the bidding of the likes of Victoria Nuland, who I would describe as a neocon, prima donna assistant secretary of state for European affairs who is doing our country—doing no one any good, cookies or not.

    ODDIE – i would add that Nuland worked in Clinton, Dubya & Obama administrations, & her husband, Robert Kagan: “was a co-founder of the Project for the New American Century. More recently, his book The World America Made has been publicly endorsed by US President Barack Obama, and its theme was referenced in his 2012 State of the Union Address.” (Wikipedia).

    who is the “left” of which Craig is speaking?

  40. Snyder’s cynical exploitation of gays, etc on Democracy Now is no accident:

    1 Mar: New York Review of Books: Ukraine: The Haze of Propaganda
    Timothy Snyder
    The first was the gay conspiracy. This was a subject that had dominated Russian propaganda throughout last year but which had been essentially absent from Ukraine. Perhaps Ukraine could join in? Yes indeed: the Ukrainian prime minister began to explain to his population that Ukraine could not have closer cooperation with Europe, since the EU was interested chiefly in gay marriage…
    Enter a lonely, courageous Ukrainian rebel, a leading investigative journalist. A dark-skinned journalist who gets racially profiled by the regime. And a Muslim. And an Afghan. This is Mustafa Nayem, the man who started the revolution. Using social media, he called students and other young people to rally on the main square of Kiev in support of a European choice for Ukraine. That square is called the Maidan, which by the way is an Arab word. During the first few days of the protests the students called it the Euromaidan. Russian propaganda called it, predictably enough, the Gayeuromaidan…
    As the New Year began the protests broadened. Muslims from southern Ukraine marched in large numbers. Representatives of the large Kiev Jewish community were prominently represented. Some of the most important organizers were Jews. The telephone hotline that people called to seek missing relatives was established by gay activists (people who have experience with hotlines). Some of the hospital guards who tried to stop the police from abducting the wounded were young feminists…
    Yes, there were some Jews, and there were some gays, in this revolution. And this was exploited by both the Russian and Ukrainian regimes in their internal propaganda. The Russian press presented the protest as part of a larger gay conspiracy. The Ukrainian regime instructed its riot police that the opposition was led by a larger Jewish conspiracy. Meanwhile, both regimes informed the outside world that the protestors were Nazis. Almost nobody in the West seemed to notice this contradiction…
    The first Ukrainian protester to be killed was an Armenian. The second to be killed was a Belarusian…
    Bohdan Solchanyk was a young lecturer at the Ukrainian Catholic University, a Ukrainian speaker from western Ukraine. He was shot and killed. Yevhen Kotlyov was an environmentalist from Kharkiv, a Russian speaker from eastern Ukraine. He was shot and killed. One of the people killed was a Russian citizen; a number of Russians had come to fight—most of them anarchists who had come to aid their Ukrainian anarchist comrades. At least two of those killed by the regime, and perhaps more, were Jews. One of those “Afghans,” Ukrainian veterans of the Red Army’s war in Afghanistan, was Jewish: Alexander Scherbatyuk. He was shot and killed by a sniper. Another of those killed was a Pole, a member of Ukraine’s Polish minority.
    Has it ever before happened that people associated with Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Polish, and Jewish culture have died in a revolution that was started by a Muslim? …
    http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2014/mar/01/ukraine-haze-propaganda/

    not everyone in the comments is buying Snyder’s analysis. it is so evidently as much “propaganda” as the “propaganda” in his headline.

    all worthwhile analysis should begin with the constitionality of the ouster of the Ukrainian Govt.

  41. Clark 3 Mar, 2014 – 3:41 pm

    “I still want to know, who are this lot?”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54uq_-5tkcY

    The bloke addressing the others with shields etc is saying to them that they “must behave as befits peaceful demonstrators, without any provocations, like civilised Europeans”. He then repeats the same in Russian. The tone is informal.

  42. “Funny ESLO should mention Elmet – as my family is from that part of the world around Hebden Bridge.”

    A nice little drug town with an unfortunate tourist problem as someone once said.

  43. Evgueni, 11:55 pm, thanks. Is that all?

    Fred, 12:00 am, I entirely agree. Hippins Valley is a wonderful place to get stoned and follow down from Heptonstall on a bright day early in Summer.

  44. OT.

    “Cameron aide arrested in ‘child abuse imagery’ inquiry”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26428308

  45. Clark,

    Whoever they are, the affair looks to me entirely staged for the camera. There is a lack of spontaneity, of people looking around them, of excitement of the moment. It is all highly artificial.

  46. from the “right”:

    28 Feb: Breitbart: Palin Mocked in 2008 for Warning Putin May Invade Ukraine if Obama Elected
    Palin said then:
    “After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next.”
    For those comments, she was mocked by the high-brow Foreign Policy magazine and its editor Blake Hounshell, who now is one of the editors of Politico magazine.
    In light of recent events in Ukraine and concerns that Russia is getting its troops ready to cross the border into the neighboring nation, nobody seems to be laughing at or dismissing those comments now…
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/02/28/Flashback-Palin-Mocked-in-2008-for-Warning-Putin-May-Invade-Ukraine-if-Obama-Elected-President

    Independent Journal Review: Mike Miller: Remember Obama Mocking Romney With This Comment About Russia During A 2012 Debate?
    In the heat of the 2012 campaign, during an October presidential debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, Obama ridiculed Romney over his concern about Russia as a “geo-political” threat.
    Obama attempted to paint Romney as somehow out-of-touch with 21st century geo-politics, suggesting (ironically, as we now know) that al-Qaeda was a bigger threat than Russia. “You said Russia. Not al-Qaeda. You said Russia,” Obama said regarding biggest threats. Then came this snarky blast:
    “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because…the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.”…
    Incidentally, Palin has been consistently ridiculed for saying “I can see Russia from my house,” which she never said. What a tragedy that, as both Palin and Romney correctly feared, Ukrainians can now see Russians from their homes.
    http://www.ijreview.com/2014/03/118668-remember-obama-mocking-romney-foreign-policy-question-2012-campaign/

    from the “left”:

    1 Mar: The American Interest: Battle for Ukraine: Putin Smashes Washington’s Cocoon
    Analysis by Walter Russell Mead & Staff
    A Politico report calls it “a crisis that no one anticipated.” The Daily Beast, reporting on Friday’s US intelligence assessment that “Vladimir Putin’s military would not invade Ukraine,” quotes a Senate aide claiming that “no one really saw this kind of thing coming.”
    Op-eds from all over the legacy press this week helped explained why. Through the rose tinted lenses of a media community deeply convinced that President Obama and his dovish team are the masters of foreign relations, nothing poor Putin did could possibly derail the stately progress of our genius president…
    Too much of the Washington policy establishment looks around the world and sees only reflections of its own enlightened self…
    http://www.the-american-interest.com/blog/2014/03/01/putin-smashes-washingtons-cocoon/

    give thanx i am neither “right” nor “left”.

  47. шах и мат

    4 Mar, 2014 - 12:27 am

    Ha ha racial supremacy, you statists, you think everybody screams like Fay Wray whenever some random chump accuses them of being racist. In fact, Russians are only slightly smarter than Americans on average. The real difference is between a meritocracy like Russian intelligence and the ass-kisser culture of US government parasites. The bureaucrats are the stupidest ones – often they’re even military, which is the absolute bottom of the barrel (Who signs up to get their nuts blown off in arid lands?) – and they’re always sucking up to their social betters the death merchants, angling for jobs, MIPRing them useless projects to curry favor. Do you know these people? Have you ever had a clearance? They are losers. That’s why they’re losing now again.

  48. Sofia Kibo Noh

    4 Mar, 2014 - 12:42 am

    Representatives of Kherson, Nikolayev, and Odessa have appealed to Crimea leadership to be part of the autonomous republic if its powers will be enhanced after the referendum which is expected on March 30, RIA Novosti quoted the vice speaker of the Supreme Council of Crimea, Sergey Tsekov, as saying.

    Can it be right for such important decisions to be left to the people who live there? Don’t they know how hard Victoria Nuland worked and how many dollars were spent to relieve them of the government they had mistakenly voted for?

    “In an eight minute, 46 second speech at the National Press Club sponsored by the US-Ukraine Foundation, Chevron, and Ukraine-in-Washington Lobby Group, Nuland boasted that Washington has spent $5 billion to foment agitation to bring Ukraine into the EU. Once captured by the EU, Ukraine will be “helped” by the West acting through the IMF.”
    From: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/02/21/is-ukraine-drifting-toward-civil-war/

    Some people are so ungrateful!

  49. Now Professor Stephen Cohen in putting in the proper context on the media President Obama’s most undiplomatic conclusion to the Ukrranian crisis that Putin’s Russia is “on the wrong side of history” aka on the way out in the longstanding zero-sum game with it.

  50. Resident Dissident

    My point was a narrow one – that Craig was basing his analysis on a view of Russian history that itself is propaganda honed over the last 300 years by Russian state builders and designed to flatter Russian chauvinism. A logical consequence of this highly embelished and falsified history is that Russians must view Ukrainians and Belorussians as inferior. Indeed at the height of the Russian empire they referred to themselves as ‘Great Russians’ (Великороссы) and to Ukrainians as ‘Little Russians’ (Малороссы).

  51. Craig,
    If you look deeper into things then think again:-
    1. Look deeply into the neocons.
    2. The West’s provocations related to the context of the collapsing financial system.
    3. Crony capitalism, here there and everywhere ( ask Obama – Wall Street and the folks in Russia and Uzbekistan).
    4. And – the recent Exxon gas development issue.

    So – with the breach of sovereignty on Afghanistan – Iraq and Libya – then whose hands are clean?

    Hypocrisy? – tell me!

    CB

  52. Black jelly

    4 Mar, 2014 - 1:29 am

    Sorry CM, its a bit too late in your life to make a career change and turn into a midwife. Even if full training will be provided by Victoria “Fuck EU (and UN)” Nuland. If only out of respect for the 400 Alawite children gassed as props for Ghouta. Is that too much to ask.

  53. When I spoke to my friend in Illichevsk on Saturday night, his rough account of events on Euromaidan was this. Immediately following Yanukivich’s about-turn on closer EU integration, there was a student demonstration consisting of mostly young people from Kiev. This was entirely peaceful but was brutally attacked by the anti-riot outfit Berkut. However the brutality did not succeed and soon the young ones were joined in the square by their families and friends. At this time their demands were still limited to an apology, the sacking of Berkut command and a criminal investigation. But instead of reacting like a statesman and negotiating, the president continued with intimidation and force. The news meanwhile was spreading that some people were making a stand against the mafia-don president, which attracted others from further away. The longer this idiot president did not negotiate, the more trouble he was making for himself. Whether he really is that stupid, or he was directed from Moscow is a matter of speculation but my guess is he is that stupid. I had that impression already when he was first elected. You need to understand, this guy is a bandit, the opposite of sophisticated, with cronies who are just like him. When the momentum of the assorted oppositions in Kiev gathered, it was not just ordinary people that saw an opportunity but plenty of industrialists whose businesses are West-oriented instead of Russia-oriented. When looking for sources of finance for the operation of the Euromaidan, they are the most likely candidates. It is also a mistake to ascribe too much to the influence of the radical nationalist movements. They are a part of the opposition but not the dominant part.

    I am told that plenty of ethnic Russians living in Illichevsk supported the aims of Euromaidan. It is hard to imagine that they would do that if they thought that they were supporting nationalists. Where I come from the language on the street is Russian, so this should give pause for thought to those who claim a nazi coup has taken place. Unless they think that we can see better from a distance than the Ukrainians can see for theьselves.

  54. Thanks, Craig, for the spot-on analysis. As usual, you see through the BS on all sides of an argument.

    Where to turn for a solution, though? You can’t turn to the rule of law in a situation where law has just broken down. As you say, revolution is illegal and that’s kind of the point. That’s not to say that no revolution is ever justified or worth international support, but international law has been so abused in recent years that there’s little moral high ground to be had there, either. History? Again, it’s an enlightening analysis but gives little in the way of clear authority for current actions.

    Cling to some liberal notion of self determination and suggest votes in the various regions of Ukraine? In the current lawless situation with thugs, gangsters, corrupt politicians and Russians all with big interests in the outcome, I’d say that’s a bit of a pipe dream. Democracy is a particular solution to a particular set of circumstances. It’s not a one-size-fits-all answer to any problem.

  55. has the Financial Times (or Britain for that matter) ever met an oligarch it didn’t like? “tight-lipped” yet known for his “sense of humour”! well, the article made me laugh.

    Financial Times: Roman Olearchyk: Ukraine oligarch: Putin is a “schizophrenic of short stature”
    Ukrainian billionaire Igor Kolomoisky, who this weekend agreed to become governor of his native Dnipropetrovsk region as the country braces for a broader Russian invasion into eastern Ukraine, described Russia’s president Vladimir Putin as a “schizophrenic of short stature” for putting Russia and Ukraine on the verge of war…
    Speaking for the first time since taking over as Dnipropetrovsk governor, the Ukrainian businessman of Jewish roots first took a sharp shot at toppled Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich, before quickly turning towards Putin.
    Kolomoisky, known as one of Ukraine’s most tight-lipped oligarchs, broke his habitual silence saying: “I will say it undiplomatically.”
    “We had our own big schizophrenic,” he said referring to Yanukovich, a tall man who towers over Putin.
    “But there,” he said, giggling and referring to Russisa, “is a schizophrenic of short stature.”…
    Kolomoisky, who is known for his sense of humour, went on: “He is completely inadequate. He has completely lost his mind. His messianic drive to recreate the Russian empire of 1913 or the USSR of 1991 could plunge the world into catastrophe.”
    Russia, he said, “will play this card… I don’t know… perhaps until Turkey blocks” the Bosphorus “to its oil tankers.”…
    http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2014/03/03/ukraine-oligarch-putin-is-a-schizophrenic-of-short-stature/

  56. a surprise?

    BBC: Ukraine: UK rules out Russia trade curbs?
    The government will not curb trade with Russia or close London’s financial centre to Russians as part of any possible package of sanctions against Moscow, according to an official document.
    The document, which was photographed as a senior official carried it into a meeting in Downing Street, says that “the UK should not support for now trade sanctions or close London’s financial centre to Russians”, while it confirms that ministers ARE considering – along with other EU countries – visa restrictions and travel bans on key Russian figures…
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-26426969

  57. Clark 4 Mar, 2014 – 12:13 am

    They appear to be gathered in support of some protesters outside a court building. What I said before was the gist, there was some other detail like the time of planned action – 3pm, “lower your shields”, examples of what was meant by provocations – “spitting, barking, shouting”. The mission is stated as “to support our comrades” (presumably ones up in court). The lady with kids when she finishes singing she wishes them god’s blessing and an honest country and an honest judiciary. The song is an old Ukrainian cossack song, finishes with the words “we will give our bodies and souls for our freedom and show them we are of the cossack family” (in case you are wondering, the original Ukrainian cossacks were destroyed long ago since they were a threat to Moscow’s ambitions, only the folk memory remains. The abortions that you are probably picturing are the Russian Cubanskie/Donskie cossacks – descendants of Ukrainians settled on Moscovy’s southern frontier to police it for their new masters in return for generous land grants). The bloke in black speaking to the cameras is talking about the prosecution’s case being non-existent. At the end it appears the accused are aquitted and released, one of them briefly speaks of provocation against Euromaidan and then a voice is heard ‘don’t say any more, let’s go home’.

    The title is translated ambiguously as ‘leave no man behind’. Literally it is ‘So that no one is left on their own’. This may be a reference to the terror squad tactics used by Yanukovich police. Plenty of stories emerged of people being kidnapped from ambulances etc on their way to the hospital for treatment. There are still people unaccounted for even now. People were afraid to leave the barricades for fear of being picked off one by one, and this was probably justified.

  58. 3 Mar -RT: Rule by oligarchs: Kiev appoints billionaires to govern east
    One of the reasons for the Maidan protest was the influence the rich have on politics in the country…
    The newly-appointed Dnepropetrovsk governor is Igor Kolomoysky, Ukraine’s third-wealthiest man, with an estimated fortune of $2.4 billion. He co-owns the informal commercial group Privat, which includes Ukraine’s largest bank Privatbank, which Kolomoysky heads, as well as assets in the oil, ferroalloys and food industries, agriculture and transport.
    A former ally of Yulia Tymoshenko, Kolomoysky reportedly had a falling out with her and refused to finance her election campaign in 2010, which the ex-prime minister subsequently lost to Yanukovich. Kolomoysky was reported to be a principal sponsor of the UDAR party, which is one of the three fueling the street campaign to oust Yanukovich. Kolomoysky has a dual Ukrainian-Israeli citizenship and controls his business empire from Switzerland…
    The new governor of Donetsk Region is Sergey Taruta, who is estimated to worth around $2 billion, putting him among the top-10 wealthiest people in Ukraine. He heads ISD, one of the biggest mining and smelting companies in the world, and also own Donetsk-based Metallurg Football Club.
    Not a stranger to politics, he used to sponsor Viktor Yushchenko, who came to power in Ukraine after the Orange Revolution of 2004. Among his personal habits is a reputed love for luxurious jewelry and ostentatious gold statues, reports RT’s Peter Oliver…
    http://rt.com/news/ukraine-oligarch-rule-governors-512/

    Nov 2013 – Telegraph: Oligarchs at war in the British courts
    Victor Pinchuk, a businessman who befriended Tony Blair, takes £2 billion row to London throwing spotlight on Ukraine’s murky world of money
    It promises to be one of the most expensive cases ever heard in a British courtroom — involving three oligarchs who have fallen out in spectacular fashion.
    At its heart is a £2 billion lawsuit being brought by a flamboyant businessman who bought London’s most expensive house and counts Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Sir Elton John and Damien Hirst among his close friends.
    On the other side of the court will be two fellow oligarchs, one with a town house in one of London’s smartest squares, the other who lives on the shores of Lake Geneva.
    The legal fees alone are likely to exceed £50 million.
    The case being brought by Victor Pinchuk against Igor Kolomoisky and Gennady Bogolyubov is the latest court battle between oligarchs to play out in London, even though it revolves around the sale of state industries in Ukraine following the collapse of the Soviet Union…
    His opponents — Mr Kolomoisky, 50, and Mr Bogolyubov, 50 — are reckoned to be richer and more discreet than their rival. Mr Kolomoisky lives in Switzerland, and Mr Bogolyubov lives in Belgravia, central London. Both men, with a net wealth of about £5 billion, have given large amounts to charities, many related to their Jewish faith.
    The case revolves around the ownership of an iron ore mining business in Ukraine, dating back to a deal done — or possibly not done — in 2004…
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10454347/Oligarchs-at-war-in-the-British-courts.html

  59. BrianFujisan

    4 Mar, 2014 - 2:31 am

    The Many Myriad Layers of it all…

    Who are these people Prof Michel Chossudovsky is telling of. First there’s Clark’s Mystery people, and then these…or are they the same ???

    The Blue Helmets comprise 35 men and women who are not Jewish, and who are led by five ex-IDF soldiers, says Delta, an Orthodox Jew in his late 30s

    Delta, who immigrated to Israel in the 1990s, moved back to Ukraine several years ago … He says he joined the protest movement as a volunteer on Nov. 30, after witnessing violence by government forces against student protesters.

    “I saw unarmed civilians with no military background being ground by a well-oiled military machine, and it made my blood boil,” Delta told JTA in Hebrew laced with military jargon. “I joined them then and there, and I started fighting back the way I learned how, through urban warfare maneuvers. People followed, and I found myself heading a platoon of young men. Kids, really.”

    The other ex-IDF infantrymen joined the Blue Helmets later after hearing it was led by a fellow vet, Delta said.

    In a bitter irony, Delta, the commander of the IDF militia unit was taking his orders directly from the Neo-Nazi Party Svoboda:

    As platoon leader, Delta says he takes orders from activists connected to Svoboda, an ultra-nationalist [Neo-Nazi] party that has been frequently accused of anti-Semitism and whose members have been said to have had key positions in organizing the opposition protests.

    “I don’t belong [to Svoboda], but I take orders from their team. They know I’m Israeli, Jewish and an ex-IDF soldier. They call me ‘brother,’” he said. “What they’re saying about Svoboda is exaggerated, I know this for a fact. I don’t like them because they’re inconsistent, not because of [any] anti-Semitism issue.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-israeli-special-forces-unit-under-neo-nazi-command-involved-in-maidan-riots/5371725

    And then there’s the GAS….With all the Numbers that got me a wee bitty lost in there –

    A
    Always Smoldering – Ukraine’s Gas Debts to Russia

    Defending Moscow’s December 18, 2013 agreement to provide Ukraine with an aid package estimated at about $15 billion, and cheaper natural gas through discounts and “gas debt forgiveness” estimated as able to save Ukraine $7 bn in one year, Vladimir Putin said the decision to invest $15 bn in ‘brotherly slavic’ Ukraine, and grant the gas discount was “pragmatic and based on economic facts”.

    With no shadow of doubt “the gas question” will feature in what happens in the present stand-off between Putin’s Russia and the west – and inside Ukraine – and will powerfully underline the energy economic interdependence of Russia and Europe.

    Also sure and certain, Ukraine will pay much more for its gas, and will have to face its accumulated gas debt, as the role of seaboard LNG terminals is given more attraction due to the present crisis, underlining the geopolitical risk of international gas pipelines.

    Full piece @

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/natural-gas-is-what-detonated-the-ukraine-crisis/5371684

  60. I saw a reference to the date – 11 february, the place Khorevaya street, the court – Podolsky Sud.

  61. The majority of those who could be termed nationalists in Ukraine dream of ‘de-russification’. By this is meant usually applying the policies of russification in reverse – making Ukrainian the main or the only language in schools and universities, and the only state language. So that anyone wishing to get on in life would make the ‘right’ choice, just like they had to in USSR. These so called neo-nazis can be understood in this context, not the conventional one of antisemitism, xenophobia etc. Consider this – I have had to let my Ukrainian citizenship lapse because Ukraine will not allow dual citizenship, why – because if it did it may suddenly find a few million citizens of RF living on its territory, and perhaps as many of its citizens living in RF.

    The nationalists will be disappointed because the majority in Ukraine do not share their dream of phasing out Russian language. If they wish to save territorial integrity of Ukraine, they have to move on this question of language. They are beginning to realise it, the fools, after they angered the people in the East and South by suspending the minorities language law.

  62. Black jelly

    4 Mar, 2014 - 3:04 am

    Putin is proving to be more dangerous to the Synagogue of Satan than Kennedy ever was, he may meet the same fate. Massed ranks of synced sayanim in goose-step against him at HuffPo and the ENTIRE MSM?! He must be another Son of Man, seeing that so many of the devils are after his ass ! And with one boxer throwing low Ghouta,NSA,sanction blockade,NFZ,drones,etc punches time and again, we have a possibly knobbled ref CM, insisting Putin should fight fair despite the pervasive satanic chicanery of Obama, “liar” Kohn, “Fuck EU” Nuland & Co??!

  63. “These so called neo-nazis can be understood in this context, not the conventional ”

    Blanket generalizations don’t a credible argument make. Leftists are taking the hit for highlighting the fascist complexion of the current ruling class in the Ukraine and much evidence has been provided in that context. Your roots give you some latitude, but it’s wearing very, very thin.

  64. 13 Dec 2013: Tablet Magazine: Maria Danilova: As Pro-European Protests Seize Ukraine, Jewish Oligarch Victor Pinchuk Is a Bridge to the West
    The steel magnate—son-in-law of the former president and once a symbol of post-Soviet nepotism—now advocates for the rule of law
    Pinchuk initially stayed silent as protesters barricaded themselves in the capital this month, even though his television channels covered them energetically. (His father-in-law Kuchma, one of the targets of the 2004 revolution, has joined two former Ukrainian presidents in signing a letter of support for the demonstrations.) But in the last few days, as the government moved to violently disperse the encampments, Pinchuk finally broke his silence, showing up at the protest camp himself and praising the demonstrators’ spirit. “The most important is that Ukrainian civil society has shown its strength,” he told the Financial Times this week. “Nothing is more powerful. It gives me huge optimism for the future of our country.”…
    http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/155976/ukraines-western-face

  65. oligarghs: 1 people: 0

    great going Guardian. it’s only the Crimea situation that is causing the price rises!

    4 Mar – Guardian: Sean Farrell: Ukraine crisis sends wheat and corn prices soaring
    Price of wheat up by as much as 5.9% while price of corn rises by up to 3.7% in response to the situation in Crimea
    Ukraine has become an important crop exporter. It was the fourth biggest seller of corn last year and is set to be the sixth largest wheat supplier this year.
    About 85% of wheat milled in the UK is home-grown and the rest comes mainly from the European Union and Canada. Much of Ukraine’s supply goes to the Middle East and north Africa, and it is a bigger supplier of corn than of wheat…
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/mar/03/ukraine-crisis-crimea-hits-price-wheat-corn

    heard an interview with BBC reporter, Greg Palast, the other day. he described the protests in Venezuela & Ukraine as counter-revolutions by the 1% – their Occupy moment. he included Thailand, but i think in Thailand it might be the 1% protesting against the .001% (Thaksin)!

  66. Ангрысоба

    4 Mar, 2014 - 4:04 am

    Evgeni,

    Thanks for your comments. Inevitably, you will be criticized by people who see the hands of the lizard people in all this. It seems to me that most people who know what they are talking about; yourself, Uzbek in the UK, Craig Murray, Timothy Snyder, et. al. are on the side of the Ukrainian revolt against Yanukovych, those that get their information from Russia Today, Voice of Russia, and Global Research are on the side of Putin and his deployment of troops on Ukrainian territory. It seems to be no coincidence that the majority of them see conspiracy everywhere, except among ex-KGB agents – curiously enough – and that the majority of them are Truthers. Or in this case Pravders.

  67. шах и мат

    4 Mar, 2014 - 4:29 am

    Oh, no, there are conspiracies galore. You just got out-conspiracied, that’s all. When the red team kicks the blue team’s ass, the brass stops the game and makes it come out right. But life is not like war college. The enemy is not just another bunch of US dumbshits. The blue team looked out 3 moves and the red team looked out six. Ha ha, you lose. Maybe in ten years you get a do-over. Till then you say uncle and eat the shit.

    Losers.

  68. ” It seems to be no coincidence that the majority of them see conspiracy everywhere, except among ex-KGB agents”

    Well they do have a tape of Victoria Newland conspiring with Geoffrey Pyatt to overthrow the Ukrainian government and choosing who they would put in to replace them three weeks before the event.

    Wanna hear it?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM

    That recording was made public on Feb 2nd, they already knew the government would be overthrown, who the next Prime Minister would be and were deciding on who would be Deputy PM.

    If you don’t call that a conspiracy I don’t know what is.

  69. Craig,

    I only scanned your rant and didn’t bother to read the comments. But you might appear to be a little more of substance if you called the moslem inhabitants of Crimea by their correct name (Tatar) rather than a sauce.

  70. A much more sensible and balanced analysis from another ex-diplomat who remains sane:

    http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2014/03/03/ukraine-imperils-obamas-foreign-policy-legacy/

  71. Listening to Samantha Power last night was like listening to the voice of reason for a few seconds. US hypocrisy knows no bounds.If they had stayed at home for the last 70 years then it might have made sense.They haven’t and there isn’t a country that hasn’t suffered from their interference or had a military base built.The US nose is in every bodies business.
    And Britain’s performance was no better. The rhetoric was bellicose and confrontational, and at the same time Govt ministers papers have been shown the opposite.”The City” does not want their applecart and Russian customers upset.They’ve been too good for business.
    Nothing will happen.The US;NATO Uncle Tom Cobbly are bogged down still in Afghanistan with tens of thousands of men and equipment, and their get out of jail free card is Russia.
    The democratic West has sunk to new lows in their support for the Nazi salute wielding thugs in the Ukraine.Snipers were shooting the police and yet our politicians support it and the petrol bombers as being legit.In London it’s almost impossible to demonstrate anymore.We don’t tolerate spontaneous peaceful protest,and neither does the US.

  72. Great comment DoNNyDarKo.

    For readers who want a truly (non British Empire) perspective I recommend:

    vineyardsaker.blogspot.com

  73. Apologies if this has already been posted but there are people here – and especially Craig – who ought to watch and listen to it.

    If you want to know what is really happening in the Ukraine and what is really behind it, it’s pretty much all in this RT 27 minute long video

    And it also seems that the only remaining constitutionally and internationally legal authority in remain has formally asked Russia to do exactly what it is doing.

    It is also pretty damn certain that the only thing holding the Ukraine together as a unitary state at this point is Russia’s continuing recognition of it. If that recognition were withdrawn there can be no doubt that there WOULD be civil war in short order and the state would fragment.

  74. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    4 Mar, 2014 - 8:30 am

    “Well they do have a tape of Victoria Newland conspiring with Geoffrey Pyatt to overthrow the Ukrainian government and choosing who they would put in to replace them three weeks before the event.”
    __________________

    When lies are repeated it is necessary to nail those replies – repeatedly.

    The tape mentioned above shows AS Nuland discussing events in Ukraine with the US ambassador in Kiev. As Craig could confirm, it is not unusual for officials in Foreign ministries to discuss events in the country concerned with the ambassador en poste; this is one of the reasons why countries have embassies and ambassadors in other countries.

    Listening to the tape, you will hear AS Nuland expressing the opinion that Yats would probably be the best person to head the new Ukraine govt (given his economic and governing credentials) and that it would be better if Klitschko and one other person were not in the govt.

    Could those who claim the tape reveals AS Nuland and the US ambassador “conspiring” to “overthrow” the then Ukraine govt and “choosing who they would put in” please cite – verbatim – the expressions which prove those claims? Verbatim, please.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    As to the claim that the US has spent $5 billion to sugvert/overthrow the Ukrainian govt (with the implication that this has been spent recently), I think I nailed that particular lie on the previous thread, but it appears that I’ll have to do so again.

    This is the verbatim of what AS Niland said at her briefing (listen for yourselves):

    “Since Ukrainian independence in 1991 the US has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of which are preconditions for Ukraine to achieve its European aspirations. We’ve inc-vested over $5 billion to assist the Ukrainian govt in these and other goals.”. (I also pointed out, for the sake of context, that US federal govt spending in fiscal 2013 ALONE totalled $3454 billion).

    As you’ll all be aware, the EU had several programmes in the 1990s – ie, after the fall of the Russian Empire in Eastern Europe – to promote civil society, good governance and the building of democratic institutions. So what is the problem with similar US programmes since 1991?

  75. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    4 Mar, 2014 - 8:36 am

    Resident Dissident (22h38, yesterday)

    You are quite right. I used the term “lefties” incorrectly (perhaps as ‘shorthand’)and am happy to accept your expression “useful idiots” as a better description of many of the contributors to this and the previous thread.

  76. doug scorgie

    4 Mar, 2014 - 8:47 am

    Evgueni
    4 Mar, 2014 – 1:36 am

    “…so this should give pause for thought to those who claim a nazi coup has taken place. Unless they think that we can see better from a distance than the Ukrainians can see for themselves.”

    Evgueni, it’s called: not being able to see the wood for the trees.

    Meaning: If you can’t see the wood for the trees, you can’t see the whole situation clearly because you’re looking too closely at small details, or because you’re too closely involved.

  77. doug scorgie

    4 Mar, 2014 - 9:09 am

    Oddie
    4 Mar, 2014 – 2:16 am

    “The document, which was photographed as a senior official carried it into a meeting in Downing Street…”

    This is an old trick by the state to get information into the public domain by letting a confidential document get photographed by the press and make it appear as if it was an error made by some official.

    The same happened here:

    “A white document marked “secret”, which carried details of the operation being planned by MI5 and several police forces, was clearly visible to press photographers equipped with telephoto lenses.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/apr/09/bob-quick-terror-raids-leak

    And here:

    Photo reveals UK police arrest plan for Assange

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/25/world/europe/uk-assange-police/

    They really do think we are all stupid.

  78. Sofia Kibo Noh

    4 Mar, 2014 - 9:10 am

    Evgueni.

    You are correct to point out that commenters here are not “on the spot”.

    Fortunately, thanks to the wonders of the internet we can see what it looks like to those who are there. Here’s what it looks like to Ukrainian author Lada Ray.

    https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/what-is-really-happening-in-ukraine-part-4-nazi-coup-succeeds/

    Of course there are others on the spot who believe that a New Age of peace and prosperity will be forged by Victoria Nuland’s ultra-right warriors.

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    4 Mar, 2014 - 9:20 am

    Mr Scourgie

    “Evgueni, it’s called: not being able to see the wood for the trees.

    Meaning: If you can’t see the wood for the trees, you can’t see the whole situation clearly because you’re looking too closely at small details, or because you’re too closely involved.”
    __________________-

    Isn’t that comment just a tad patronising? This thread deserves better, surely?

  80. @Doug – Yes: it’s called the ‘haversack ruse’. Many old tricks continue to work. I don’t know whether you have read David Ogilvy’s Ogilvy on Advertising.

  81. The USA would love, if not to get its hands on the Ukraine, at least set up a military base there as it has done in Poland. For those US apologists who choose to defend a country that would never think of trying to destabilise another country, read this:

    http://screechingkettle.blogspot.com/2011/10/putting-todays-wars-in-perspective.html

  82. O/T. Just thought you might like to know one of the three people arrested at the same time as Moazzam Begg, Gerrie Taharie, will appear in court today charged with I think the Midlands News reader said “activities in Syria”. The word terrorism was not mentioned.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-Moazzam-Begg/309986402460025

  83. Ba'al Zevul (

    4 Mar, 2014 - 9:43 am

    Buggerlugs, 9.20: ‘Isn’t that comment (Doug explaining English idiomatic expression to someone whose first language is possibly not English) to just a tad patronising? This thread deserves better, surely?’

    It may deserve it…

    Buggerlugs, 8.36: ‘You are quite right. I used the term “lefties” incorrectly (perhaps as ‘shorthand’)and am happy to accept your expression “useful idiots” as a better description of many of the contributors to this and the previous thread.

    The thread is about hypocrisy. Splendid illustration. And wasn’t there something about “smelly lefties” earlier?

    Tool.

  84. Broken News Today. Jewish special forces involved in Maidan Neo-Nazi riots.

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/04/ukraine-israeli-special-forces-unit-neo-nazi-command-involved-maidan-riots/

  85. It certainly looks like the Russians are in a stronger position. They’ve easily taken the part of Ukraine they are strategically interested in. They have the support of the local population and the local government and the area is pretty much still functioning in terms of economy and law enforcement. There’s nobody to challenge them on the ground and Putin’s not challenged at home.

    The US and Europe, on the other hand, are backing a dubious bunch who’ve just grabbed the power of a pretty much dysfunctional and bankrupt government and face massive intimidation from a very well-armed neighbour. The US and European voters would probably lose interest in the kind of serious support that would be needed to establish and protect this new government, even though they found the western media coverage of the “courage behind the barricades” quite compelling at the time. So there are already cracks in The US and European allies’ united front as they scrabble to protect their own domestic bottoms. How shallow.

    Having said that, I’ll take no part in the general US bashing that this situation seems to bring out in many commenters. Putin is undeniably a thug and a gangster and if I had to choose between living and running a business in The US or Russia then I’d choose The US any day. But that’s unfortunately not the kind of choice that the Ukrainian people are going to get any time soon.

  86. Black jelly

    4 Mar, 2014 - 9:59 am

    @Ba’al Zevul – at the risk of being termed both patronising and anti-semitic, what you have just pointed out is classic yiddish (as she was spoke in the Warsaw Ghetto) ! But Habba is only an amateur, Benzion Mileikowski is the master proponent with his annual cartoon aided shows at the UN podium. Its also called dershowitzery. The funny thing is the satanic devils think they are entirely in the right, its us dumb cattle who are not seeing the “truth” !!

  87. Ba'al Zevul ( :-) )

    4 Mar, 2014 - 10:10 am

    Much as I hate to break off an attack on the IDF, here’s the original article, which describes ‘Delta’ as ex IDF, and suggests that his motives are as much humanitarian as anything else.

    The rest is ‘interpretation’ by Chossudovsky, who founded Global Research International, which is to say the least uncritical of wingnut conspiracy theories.

    http://www.jta.org/2014/02/28/news-opinion/world/in-kiev-an-israeli-militia-commander-fights-in-the-streets-and-saves-lives

    ‘Hakadosh Baruch Hu ‘ = God, btw. If that isn’t too patronising.

    Re. nsnbc, see here – http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nsnbc.me

  88. David H, living and setting up a business in the US might be a better prospect than setting one up in Russia, I don’t know. What I do know is that America is an imperialist country determined to have a New World Order against the will of others. I do not like bullies, whatever country they lead. It is hardly credible that someone who rose to power through the KGB is likely to have a heart and I tend to share Craig Murray’s view about leaders:

    “Political leaders are almost always bastards. Ordinary people are always almost nice. That sums up what I have learnt in my lifetime rather neatly.”

    However, I am glad that there are checks and balances from BRICS countries, to stop the US cowboys riding roughshod over everybody. Our allegiance to these bullies has cost us our treasured legal safeguard of habeas corpus and the anti-terrorism laws have enabled the unjust incarceration of a lot of good men, who just happen to be Muslim.

  89. “When lies are repeated it is necessary to nail those replies – repeatedly.

    The tape mentioned above shows AS Nuland discussing events in Ukraine with the US ambassador in Kiev.”

    Events that didn’t happen for another three weeks.

  90. Its ludicrous, if the peeping Uncle Tom Obama had been watching only Nancy Pelosi undress in his US neighbourhood that may be acceptable, but the NSA devil has been watching Angela Merkels red slit panties as far away as in Germany !! And the shameless nilotic wants to talk about International Law, its just unbelievable, another world class Jantjie fog donkey.

    And we have CM on about Putin (and coming up with all kinds of diplomatic tales to whitewash the extremely revealing Nuland “Fuck EU” telecon – for yats sake !!), simply because he is beholden to a pink jelly ex-soviet satellite russophobe from kyrgistan or yiddistan or wherever

  91. Evgueni at 1:36am, 2:22am, 2:31am and 2:58 am; thank you for so much detail.

    Oddie, various comments, thanks for the information about the oligarchs in London.

    Craig, 12:25pm; thanks for the reply.

  92. Sofia Kibo Noh

    4 Mar, 2014 - 11:05 am

    Russia will abandon the US dollar as a reserve currency if the United States initiates sanctions against the Russian Federation, Presidential advisor Sergey Glazyev told Ria Novosti news agency.

    “We will be forced to go to another currency and create our own payment and settlement system. We have a fantastic trade and economic relationship with our partners in the east and south, and we’ll find a way to not only reset our financial dependence on the US, but come out from these sanctions with an advantage for ourselves,” he said.

    How about Bitcoin?

  93. Ba'al Zevul (Müziksiz hayat fenadır)

    4 Mar, 2014 - 11:12 am

    Craig said, ‘The final extraordinary outbreak of hypocrisy is on the British left. Russian military invasion of Ukraine is approved by them, because it is an invasion by Russia, and not an invasion by the West. They are precisely as hypocritical as Hague. Both think it is OK to violate the sovereignty of other nations, but only by their chosen side.’

    I guess dogma trumps morality every time; the British far-left historically regarded Russia as its political ally, while Hague is an absolutely devoted admirer of all things American which do not involve social concern. Abandoning morality is perhaps less hypocritical in Hague than in the far left, even. After all, he supported the removal of the democratically-elected Morsi in Egypt, and condoned the branding of the then-democratically elected Hamas as a terrorist organisation. I’d say Hague, though an appalling person and worse member of any government, is actually quite consistent.

  94. Russian government spokesman:

    An attempt to announce sanctions would end in a crash for the financial system of the United States, which would cause the end of the domination of the United States in the global financial system.

    Re ‘Delta’ in Kiev, never forget that it was the Israelis (who held two posts in the Georgian cabinet) who egged on the Georgians to invade South Ossetia in 2008.

    Does it sound crazy that the Israelis held two posts in the Georgian cabinet? Click here to confirm.

  95. The following article by Paul Craig Roberts is essential reading:

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37833.htm

  96. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    4 Mar, 2014 - 11:27 am

    “Broken News Today. Jewish special forces involved in Maidan Neo-Nazi riots” (from Mr Goss)

    and

    “Re ‘Delta’ in Kiev, never forget that it was the Israelis (who held two posts in the Georgian cabinet) who egged on the Georgians to invade South Ossetia in 2008.”
    (from N_ )
    ___________________

    I was wondering how long it’d be before we got onto Israel and the Jooos..

  97. Sofia, I don’t know whether bitcoin was a serious suggestion or one of Daddy’s little jokes but it made me smile. As to Russia abandoning the dollar, if China went along with it the dollar would collapse in a massive heap and all countries would have to peg to something else or create a new currency. China, owning so many US government bonds is unlikely to stab itself in the back, which is a pity. One day the dollar will collapse. It is already grossly overvalued and US debt is unfathomable. However, by some quirk of economic skulduggery, it is surviving. Satan’s miracle. It will hurt me when it collapses. It will hurt others a lot more.

    The US then might not be a good place to set up home and business.

  98. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    4 Mar, 2014 - 11:32 am

    BarbaraZeVul

    “And wasn’t there something about “smelly lefties” earlier?”
    _________________

    Yes, the full expression was something like “smelly little orthodox left-wingers”.

    A variant on the George Orwell expression, you know.

    If the cap fits…..:)

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