The Big Gay Wedding

by craig on May 11, 2014 9:33 am in Uncategorized

As long term readers know, I love the Eurovision Song Contest. It is just so much fun and so resoundingly daft. Graham Norton’s comment last night, “it’s like the gay wedding I’ll never have”, summed it up rather well. We also learnt that Danish humour is impenetrable. Having once spent a week there living with Danish friends, I guess a country that seems to live on raw fish and raw eggs will forever shimmer beyond my comprehension. Like Hamlet’s mind – impossible to understand completely, but marvelous.

I was however saddened by the audience booing of the two young Russian girls. That was really nasty and unfair. They were scarcely more than children, for goodness sake. Putin is not their fault. That booing was an exhibition of racism; nothing else you can call it. If people wanted to make a point, they could have screamed for the Ukrainian girl – they didn’t have to boo the young Russians.

People always complain about political voting, but I think that’s half the fun. I always enjoy the voting far more than most of the singing. Last night, I think, was political voting in a wonderful way. It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be. It wasn’t the first time either – I remember a similarly gender challenging singer from Israel winning some years ago. What was even better this year, was that another stereotype was also challenged, in that Conchita swept up much support from Eastern as well as Western Europe. Let it be said that she had a damn good song too.

We voted for the Polish girls. I thought the honesty of their approach was brilliant, and reminded me of so many happy days in Warsaw in my youth. Good to see women doing the washing too.*

All in all, great fun and a life-affirming evening. Now to clear away all the mess – why did I stick all those empty Prosecco bottles on the front garden railings?

*Private joke for my friends at Russia Today media (formerly trading as Indymedia).

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  1. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 8:32 pm

    “Actually, the whole newspaper article (including the bit I quoted) gave the singer’s surname as “Wurts”.”

    Which newspaper was that Habbabkuk?

  2. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 11:39 pm

    [on Paul Craig Roberts]

    “…the man is a hayseed and is not to be taken seriously.”

    A bit like you then Habbabkuk.

  3. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    13 May, 2014 – 11:33 am

    “Mr Scorgie, What is it you need to “check”?”

    Habbabkuk, you are being very evasive about this so-called “respectable continental newspaper”

    Why won’t you give the link?

    What have you got to hide Habbabkuk?

  4. Ba'al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    13 May, 2014 - 12:23 pm

    I do read your posts, Doug, but I am addicted to Habbabreak, and forced only to read what others quote from the idiot H. I think you should continue to press him for his source for what was presumably a vacuous and/or unconstructive remark, though of course I cannot be sure.

    It’s interesting to see what H considers to be a ‘hayseed’ in terms of general accomplishment. I hope I have the right Paul Craig Roberts here.

    He has taken positions different from former Republican allies, opposing the War on Drugs and the War on Terror, and criticizing Israel’s policies and actions against the Palestinians.

    I dare say H’s snidery has something to do with that. Or maybe it’s just that he thinks for himself?

    I’m moved to get hold of The Failure of Laissez-Faire Capitalism and the Economic Erosion of the West (2012), anyway. Thanks for the heads-up!

  5. @ Scouse Billy ,

    If Habba had his own opinions it would be fine, but he spouts what his employers pay him to

    spout.Didn’t we get script that could block him from our personal logins ?

  6. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 12:35 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 8:32 pm

    “Actually, the whole newspaper article (including the bit I quoted) gave the singer’s surname as “Wurts”.”

    Which newspaper was that Habbabkuk?”

    A respectable francophone publication, Doug – but which may have inverted the last two letters of the singer’s name.

    Is it my translation you wish to “check”? Failing a rapid reply to this question, I shall consider correspondence closed on this issue (only until the next time I post quotations from other newspapers, of course)

    Have a nice day now!

  7. Ba'al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    13 May, 2014 - 12:42 pm

    “Or maybe it’s just that he thinks for himself?” (above)
    Should read: “Or maybe it’s just that Roberts thinks for himself?”

    The proposition that H might think for himself is obviously absurd.

  8. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 12:53 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    Anyway, after some half-successful attempts at diversion from you, let’s get back to the real question, which is :

    Which of these following tqo conclusions is correct:

    1/. You agree with the sentiments expressed by Messrs Rogozine and Jirinovsky


    2/. You disagree but, for some reason why can only guess at, do not wish to say so.

    Your choice, Doug. Off you go, laddie!

  9. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 12:54 pm


    “I do read your posts, Doug, but I am addicted to Habbabreak,….


    …..which is very convenient because it means that I can avoid answering any questions Habbabkuk puts to me and thereby avoid justifying and defending anything I’ve posted”


    “I think you should continue to press him for his source for what was presumably a vacuous and/or unconstructive remark,..”

    An illustration of the downside of using Habbabreak; it was a quotation from a respectable francophone newspaper, not a “remark”


    “It’s interesting to see what H considers to be a ‘hayseed’ in terms of general accomplishment. I hope I have the right Paul Craig Roberts here.”

    Could someone not using Habbabreak perhaps let Baaal know that “hayseed “is usually used to denote someone with off-the-wall opinions and general outlook and has nothing to do with the person’s “general accomplishment”?

  10. Habakok displays all the signs of being a paid Establishment troll. He sidetracks discussions and denigrates any constructive submissions.I have yet to see a meaningful contribution from him to any discussion.

  11. The Swedish finance minister says that Pfizer’s promises on the proposal to acquire Astra Zenevca should be taken with a sackful of salt.

    Ian Read currently before the HoC ‘Business’ committee.

    Drug giants chiefs grilled by MPs
    Pfizer Chief Executive Ian Read
    The battle over Pfizer’s proposed bid for AstraZeneca is played out in front of MPs as the chief executives of the drugs firms face tough questioning.
    Business Live: Pfizer bid hearing Live
    Top scientist: Pfizer bid ‘flimsy’
    AstraZeneca Pfizer bid explained
    Watch Ahmed: Pfizer faces ‘lock’

    The composition of the Business, Skills and Enterprise Committee

    Business, Innovation and Skills Committee – membership

    The Committee were appointed on 12 July 2010



    Mr Adrian Bailey (Chair) Labour (Co-op)
    Mr William Bain Labour
    Mr Brian Binley Conservative
    Paul Blomfield Labour
    Katy Clark Labour
    Mike Crockart Liberal Democrat
    Caroline Dinenage Conservative
    Rebecca Harris Conservative
    Ann McKechin Labour
    Mr Robin Walker Conservative
    Nadhim Zahawi Conservative

    PS Zahawi was found out for claiming for the heating of his stables! He has also led an APPG visit to Kurdistan paid for by the energy company in which he is a shareholder. They also paid for his visit to a conference.

  12. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 1:18 pm

    Hayseeds Gallery (cont.)

    A quick look at Wikipedia reveals the following about Mr WILLIAM ENGDAHL, warmly recommended by “Scouse Billy” (above):

    Mr Engdahl is a “economist and free-lance journalist”, who “has also been a long-term asssociate of the LaRouche movement”. (WTF – the LaRouche movement??)

    He is “also a frequent contributor to the website of the Center for Research on Globalization”. (It will be recalled that one of that Center’s big cheeses is Professor Michel Chossudovsky – frequently quoted in somewhat fawning manner by various Eminences on this blog).

    I’ll leave it to interested readers to find out themselves some of Mr Engdahl’s views on various matters and will content myself merely to record his views on global warming, the problem of which he considers to be “much exaggerated” and “merely a scare”.

    More to come on other egregious hayseeds….

  13. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 1:23 pm

    Salford Lad

    “I have yet to see a meaningful contribution from him to any discussion.”

    And I have yet to see an answer from you to the questions I put regarding some of your posts, which purported to give us the real low-down on currencies and gold.

    I’m thinking in particular of your statement that pre-1971 countries only issued as much currency as they had gold reserves to cover.

    Samuelson, Krugmann et al you ain’t. :)

  14. LGBT rights are very sacred to hearts of organized Jewry in United States and Canada. Last year, Abraham Foxman compared Putin’s anti-gay laws with Nazi persecution of Jews.

    Last week, L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti (Jewish) and his Attorney General Mike Feuer (Jewish) joined by Jewish councilmen Paul Kortez and Mike Bonin announced that they will boycott two of area’s most prestigious hotels, Beverly Hills and Bell Air. Both hotels are operated by London-based Dorchester Collection of high-end hotels owned by Brunei government. The boycott is in response to Brunei government’s decision to carry-out Islamic Shari’ah punishments, in two-year phase. And we all know, Islamic law doesn’t accept gays and lesbians being a “natural” behaviour.

  15. YouKnowMyName

    13 May, 2014 - 1:31 pm

    back to Evrovision… in 2003 Sir Terence warned “[UK Entry] that Britain’s unpopular participation in the Iraq War … would count against them” (Jemini’s “Cry Baby” earned the famous “Nul Points”)

    Is Iraq still a negative-amplification factor in 2014?

  16. Another YCNMIU. Biden’s son gets a directorship in a Ukrainian gas company.

    US Vice President’s son joins board of Ukraine’s largest gas producer
    Posted by mike on May 13, 2014, 1:21 pm

    This is just a coincidence though, must be, right?
    Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer, has expanded its Board of Directors by bringing on Mr. R Hunter Biden as a new director.

    R. Hunter Biden will be in charge of the Holdings’ legal unit and will provide support for the Company among international organizations. On his new appointment, he commented: “Burisma’s track record of innovations and industry leadership in the field of natural gas means that it can be a strong driver of a strong economy in Ukraine. As a new member of the Board, I believe that my assistance in consulting the Company on matters of transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities will contribute to the economy and benefit the people of Ukraine.”

    The Chairman of the Board of Directors of Burisma Holdings, Mr. Alan Apter, noted: “The company’s strategy is aimed at the strongest concentration of professional staff and the introduction of best corporate practices, and we’re delighted that Mr. Biden is joining us to help us achieve these goals.”

    R. Hunter Biden is a counsel to Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, a national law firm based in New York, USA, which served in cases including “Bush vs. Gore”, and “U.S. vs. Microsoft”. He is one of the co-founders and a managing partner of the investment advisory company Rosemont Seneca Partners, as well as chairman of the board of Rosemont Seneca Advisors. He is an Adjunct Professor at Georgetown University’s Masters Program in the School of Foreign Service.


    Is R. Hunter Biden as keen on Zionist Israel as his Daddy?

    Biden is a self-described Zionist. During the interview conducted by the U.S. Jewish television cable network Shalom TV, Biden said, “I am a Zionist. You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist.”

    He is highly supportive of the state of Israel and views Israel as a strategic ally in the Middle East. He stated that “the Arab nations have known that there is no daylight between us and Israel.” Regarding support for Israel within the Democratic Party, Biden has stated that the Democrats’ support for Israel “comes from our gut, moves through our heart, and ends up in our head. It’s almost genetic.”] In September 2008, Biden stated “A strong America is a strong Israel. I have a 35-year record of supporting Israel, and Israel’s security is enhanced the stronger America is.”

  17. Rehmat 13 May, 2014 – 1:25 pm

    “Last year, Abraham Foxman compared Putin’s anti-gay laws with Nazi persecution of Jews.”

    There are/were no anti-gay laws emanating from Russia. It was all Western-orchestrated disinformation to prevent Putin benefiting from a successful winter olympics. Here’s gay rights campaigner Brian M. Heiss on the subject:

  18. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 2:24 pm

    Good to see that we’re back with Israel and Zionism again. Thanks, Mary!

    Nice attempts to distract from other things being brought up on this thread, very troll-like.

  19. Out of the 26 or so contributions made on this thread by the Resident Tro–, just three or four refer to the topic of the Eurovision contest.

    Any mention of Israel or Palestine brings him to attention and causes him to issue instant condemnation.

  20. Where Biden Jr’s Ukrainian gas company operates.


    13 May, 2014 - 2:53 pm

    The EU in action;

    BRUSSELS — The highest court in the European Union decided on Tuesday that Google must grant users of its search engine a right to delete links about themselves in some cases, including links to legal records.

    The decision by the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg is a blow for Google, which has sought to avoid the obligation to remove links when requested by European users of its service.

    By ruling that an Internet company like Google must comply with European privacy laws when operating in the European Union — a consumer market of about 550 million people — the court is indicating that such companies must operate in a fundamentally different way than they do in the United States.

  22. A Node 13 May, 2014 – 2:02 pm

    Something else is emanating from Russia today. Unsurprisingly it has not been covered by western MSM. Ukraine has not paid for its gas for March and April this year. Yatesnyuk wants a reduction on the previously subsidised gas to the region. There is plenty of dosh from the IMF tied loan so if Yatsenyuk is honorable he should honor his countries debts. Anyway, it looks like Ukraine is having to go onto a Pay as You Go scheme.

    Gasprom, the Russian supplier of gas to the Ukraine, was you may remember the company from which Timoshenko was serving a prison sentence for siphoning off, not gas, but cash from the company and stashing it away in western bank accounts. The new NAZI government set her free following the coup.

    Things could work out badly for the elections on May 22 if Ukrainians start thinking about the implications before casting their vote.

  23. countries = country’s

  24. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 2:58 pm

    A.Node – very good link

    Mary – thank you, I was unaware of the Biden connection, but not surprised – it does support what the analysts I have cited are saying.

  25. Ba’al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    “I am addicted to Habbabreak”

    The sanity helper script for Craig Murray’s blog!

    Try Habbabreak Now!


    13 May, 2014 - 3:02 pm

    Donetsk declares Independence. I want to hear Putins reply.

  27. Ba'al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    13 May, 2014 - 3:07 pm

    (Habbabreak ™ also works fine for [insert nuisance here])


    13 May, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    Billy Scouse/John Goss; Are you familiar with Edward Jay Epstein?

  29. “Donetsk declares Independence. I want to hear Putins reply.”

    Ben, see my earlier comment and posted link at 2:57 pm, regarding Gasprom. It is unlikely that Putin will welcome the independent states of Donetsk until after the elections later this month. Why have a slice of cake when you can have the lot?

    Ukrainians are not stupid. They know who it was who killed their fellow-Ukrainians in Odessa, murdered residents who went out to vote in the referenda. That the west has failed to recognise the referenda is their biggest mistake in a whole series of mistakes that started with the secession of Crimea to Russia.

    If anybody is likely to cancel the election it is those that are illegally in power. Putin has been one step ahead from the start, even pulling back troops when it was obvious that Yatsenyuk’s army of thugs was intent on using private militia dressed as Russians to create another false flag.


    13 May, 2014 - 3:22 pm

    Yes, John. Gazprom debt so important that ‘Yats’ has declared that of the $3 billion from IMF, 2.5 goes to the debt, but it doesn’t solve the problem of future deliveries. I think it is part and parcel of the West’s interests (primarily US exports).


    13 May, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    Human Rights Watch; truly a ‘non’ governmental organization?

  32. YouKnowMyName

    13 May, 2014 - 3:54 pm

    List of new sanctions in full…

    postimees (Estonian MSM) claims that international Space Station ISS is a bit iffy after 2020,

    that Russia will be closing GPS groundstations soon

    and that various off-the-shelf space rocket engines are possibly no longer for sale

    shirley some mistake?

  33. The ICC have just agreed to carry out a preliminary investigation into these allegations.
    BREAKING NEWS:Initial investigation into claims UK forces abused Iraqi detainees to be opened by International Criminal Court

    Campaigners ask ICC to investigate alleged UK war crimes in Iraq


    13 May, 2014 - 4:05 pm

    Great News! The Intercept is hiring more people. (honeytrap, lol)

  35. Yes, Scouse Billy.

    Hats off to Brian M. Heiss for a thorough debunking of Western propaganda. Although it wasn’t his primary intent, he has provided us with a powerful proof of the the extent to which our media is controlled. Here are some of the sources I can remember telling me about “Putin’s anti-gay laws” ….

    TV and newspaper news
    New Scientist
    Olympics reports on the sport pages and TV
    newspaper editorials and opinion pieces
    stand-up comedians and panel shows
    discussion shows
    letters pages
    radio phone-ins

    …. and until someone on this blog* posted the Heiss link, I too was one of the sundry dupes who repeated and re-enforced the lies. But in this case, they went too far. They showed too much of their power to sell a provable lie, and now we have a clear example to refer to those who underestimate the power and mendacity of the media.

    *Thank you and sorry I can’t remember your name

  36. doug scorgie

    13 May, 2014 - 5:20 pm

    I asked Habbabkuk: Which newspaper was that Habbabkuk?

    He replies:

    “A respectable francophone publication, Doug…”

    Not really an answer is it Habbabkuk?

    “Is it my translation you wish to “check”? Failing a rapid reply to this question, I shall consider correspondence closed on this issue.”

    That’s it Habbabkuk, quit while you’re behind.

  37. Back to Biden’s son, R. Hunter Biden.

    Si on Medialens has done this photo with a speech bubble.

    Other comments:

    John Lilburne – Just to pick one of Biden fils’s involvements in ‘public service’, the U.S. Global Leadership Coalition, check out this chamber of horrors, In the Spotlight (bottom of page):

    and this roster of US global leaders:

    So nice to see Bill of Save the Children cosying up to Sarah of Wal-Mart and Nancy of Lockheed Martin etc, etc,.

    Gives one a warm glow, does it not?

    Nice to see that Jeff of AIPAC is in there too, doing his bit. All’s right with the world.

    Jeffrey Colman

    American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)

  38. I see that it’s actually Bill Lane of Caterpillar. Caterpillar’s machines are used in Israel entity to demolish Palestinian homes and to kill people like Rachel Corrie.

    It’s Caroline Miles from Save the Children.

    There is a printing error so that the two names coincide.

    I noticed a Sharon Waxman from Miliband D’s International Rescue Centre.

    An incestuous nest.

  39. doug scorgie

    13 May, 2014 - 6:18 pm

    Israeli minister Tzipi Livni given diplomatic immunity for UK visit

    UK [Zionist] government awards ‘special mission’ status to head-off would-be arrest warrant sought for alleged war crimes in Gaza

  40. BrianFujisan

    13 May, 2014 - 6:39 pm

    Mary Re… UK war crimes, and ICC…

    I wonder if it will be yet another Sham, waste of Loadza Money…or is BLiar getting closer to being turfed out…and will they Ever get round to the current crew, for their crimes in Libya, and now Syria.

    “… British defence officials are confident that the ICC will not move to the next stage and announce a formal investigation, largely because the UK has the capacity to investigate the allegations itself.

    However, the announcement is a blow to the prestige of the armed forces, as the UK is the only western state that has faced a preliminary investigation at the ICC. The court’s decision places the UK in the company of countries such as the Central African Republic, Colombia and Afghanistan.

    In a statement, the ICC said: “The new information received by the office alleges the responsibility of officials of the United Kingdom for war crimes involving systematic detainee abuse in Iraq from 2003 until 2008.

    “The re-opened preliminary examination will analyse, in particular, alleged crimes attributed to the armed forces of the United Kingdom deployed in Iraq between 2003 and 2008….

    more @

  41. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 6:48 pm

    Mary, Brian,

    Who will fund the defence – Help For Heroes (sic)?

    Don’t see why the tax-payers should…

  42. BrianFujisan

    13 May, 2014 - 6:53 pm

    Doug / Mary

    Re Israeli Crimes… Check this disturbing piece –

    ” A repeated theme of pro-Israeli, anti-Palestinian propaganda is to circulate images ofPalestinian children taking part in such militarized displays in order to advance the belief that Palestinian culture is inherently violent and “teaches children hate” and that therefore Israeli violence is a justified defensive response.

    But these pictures are remarkable because they reveal the extent to which Israeli culture has been militarized and how Israeli children are not immune to this – a key theme in Max Blumenthal’s book Goliath.

    There is no doubt that both Israeli and Palestinian children have been subjected to this kind of brutalization by adults. It is horrifying whenever children are given guns and encouraged to imagine themselves as killers.

    Such activities are arguably in violation of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which states that member countries “shall refrain from recruiting any person who has not attained the age of fifteen years into their armed forces.”

    As I wrote on a previous occasion when such disturbing images of Israeli children appeared:

    Children live with the consequences of Israel’s violent occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people, whether it is Israeli children indoctrinated to continue this oppression as adults, or Palestinian children brutalized and traumatized by the organized violence of occupation, colonialism and apartheid that pervades their lives.

    This is never a reflection on the children, but on the adults who subject them to such ugliness.”

    By Ali Abunimah @

  43. BrianFujisan

    13 May, 2014 - 7:10 pm

    Billy Lol

    Good job They are mostly all multi millionaires..what is Bliar worth now £60 million or so and counting.

    running late again gotta dash.

  44. Have you expected habbitkuk to change his schoolmasterly behaviour, Doug? fat chance
    Its a lifelong trait that befalls those who feel righteous, but are enthralled and tyranised by their academic blinkers.

    He made a simple mistake an eight year old school boy would have gotten right and thats pretty normal for all of us, he’s nothing special, just a little disabled when it comes to linking to whatever he blathers on about.

    He’s not here to inform, such as most of us, but to argue and diseminate, to try us with his playfull nonsense. Bless….


    13 May, 2014 - 7:34 pm

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 7:54 pm

    Let the record note that Mr Scorgie declines to say whether or not he endorses the intolerant remarks made by Russian vice-premier Rogozine and Russian political heavy Vladimir Jirinovsky on the result of the Eurovision song contest 2014.

    For ease of reference, here are those remarks again, as reported by a respectable French-language newspaper (my translation)

    Rogozine : “The result of the Eurovision contest has given the supporters of European integration a glimpse if what awaits them if they join Europe, ie., a bearded girl”.

    Jirinovsky : “Our indignation knows no bounds. This is the end of Europe. Europe has gone mad. There aren’t any men and women there any longer, just “its” instead.”.

  47. Thanks from me too, to A Node for the link to Brian Heiss’ White Paper. Thoroughly covers the true state of affairs and the disgraceful western media and government position.

  48. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 8:25 pm

    This guy said it as well as anyone:

  49. John Goss

    13 May, 2014 – 2:57 pm

    Sorry, I did not deliberately try to mislead. The Ukrainian elections, as everybody knows, but nobody corrected me, take place on 25th May. I’ve been out canvassing. It’s our elections on 22nd.

    Plenty of time then for the Russians to switch off the lights as a pilot if Yatsenyuk does not pay his energy bills. He cannot expect the Russians to give him subsidised gas now the Ukraine has gone in to bat for the Yanks and done nothing but insult the Russians! Can he? And a pilot test of what the future has in store might make a few voters think. I wonder.

  50. Mary,

    Sorry working this afternoon!

    Fantastic post 1.38pm – you couldn’t make it up!

    Thank you

  51. Tory troughers everywhere, even in County Hall, Kingston upon Thames, home of Surrey County Council.

    Surrey County Council pay panel resigns over 60% increase

    They took the maximum possible for their council tax precept avoiding a referendum.

    Council tax in Surrey is set to raise for the third time in a row after the county council agreed on the largest possible increase without prompting a referendum.
    Homeowners will have to pay for a 1.99% increase in the county council’s precept, making for an increase of just under 7% in the last three years.

    The roads are probably the worst in the country for lack of maintenance and number of potholes, apart from those routes shown on television for the multiple cycle races and marathons which get a makeover beforehand.

    Potholes here, there, everywhere.

  52. There’s no need or likelihood for Putin to be vindictive, given his demonstrable good character, I would expect magnanimity, it is the special favoured by Russia status of Ukraine in a post-soviet world, with considerable economic advantages, that the west wish to sever. The EU, not known for its philanthropy, cannot prop up too many neo-liberalised and now consequently basket case ‘states’ in its nascent United States of Europe, if Ukraine is to have an intoxicating, bewiching taste of honey, it will mean be more and sourer vinegar for everywhere else and even wider dissatisfaction and economic dislocation. Given what the west has resorted to in its efforts to subvert Ukraine’s independence and buy that country and people outright like so many chattels, by lies bribery, corruption and violence and deaths on the streets – exactly what the majority and core of the nazi-hijacked mass-demonstrations were protesting against – then even a thin but true democracy if allowed and given time would reject an unreformed EU, as the EU with its mad-dog master NATO for cover, exemplifies these self same plutocratic vices in spadefuls. Inevitably Ukraine would be rejecting the EU and wishing the EU had kept its nose out and its greedy hands off Ukraine.

    It is unfortunate that in the interim the country will be looted and indebted for inestimable generations by the anarchic gangs presently seismically uprooting Ukraine’s foundational roots, by domestic and international oligarchs and the rapacious spearhead of the infamous gnomes of Zurich – a euphemism Harold Wilson was fond of using used to describe ‘bankers’, as even he dared not be more specific just who had and used such unaccountable economic power to wreck nations and lives – the sooner these western-backed stooges andfree-booter oligarchs face the Ukrainian people, with full inquiry begun into their sources of wealth and their crimes, the sooner the thieving will stop and as much of the extracted booty can be traced and returned to Ukraine’s people and future credit. Look out you gnomes.

  53. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:19 pm

    “There’s no need or likelihood for Putin to be vindictive, given his demonstrable good character”

    Do you really believe that?

  54. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:21 pm


    Stop the front page – Tories in Surrey behave like Tories!

  55. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:24 pm

    @John Goss

    “Plenty of time then for the Russians to switch off the lights as a pilot if Yatsenyuk does not pay his energy bills.”

    You talk like the Russian regime/Gazprom (the two are interchangeable) have never done this before. As always you patently ignore the fact that Putin has interfered in Ukrainian affairs for many years. Do you belive that such interference has always been legitimate?

  56. RD I don’t believe any power should interfere in the affairs of foreign countries. Putin’s Russia has interfered but nowhere near as much as the US has. 360 separate military interventions since 1945 I believe. “Do you belive that such interference has always been legitimate?” Or ever?

  57. @Kurtan: I agree with you entirely. What can’t the digital natives think like that? Can’t be the parents… maybe it’s a reaction to the parents? 😉

  58. @Scouse Billy: Great video. And did anyone ever tell you you look like Bill Shankly.

  59. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:45 pm

    Do you belive that such interference has always been legitimate?

    I asked the question first regarding Putin’s interference in Ukraine – please answer.

    No I don’t always believe interference by the US or anyone else in another country is legitimate – just like I don’t always believe it is illegitimate – it depends on the facts of the particular case. Non interference would have meant the UK not going to war when Hitler invaded Poland etc etc.

  60. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:47 pm

    @Scouse Billy: Great video. And did anyone ever tell you you look like Bill Shankly.

    But there the resemblance ends.

  61. Yes RD @ 10.21pm. You got it in one. Any suggestions how to get rid of them? Local pest control companies cannot help.

  62. “I asked the question first regarding Putin’s interference in Ukraine – please answer.”
    “RD I don’t believe any power should interfere in the affairs of foreign countries.”
    What was wrong with that?

  63. Resident Dissident 13 May, 2014 – 10:47 pm

    Was it something like “Some people think that football is a matter of life or death. But it’s much more important than that.”

    You’ve been missed RD. People have been looking for answers.

  64. Scouse Billy, you’ve been missed too. Welcome back.

    Now all I have to go and brush up my Russian. Just in case the Russians are coming. :)

  65. Did anyone hear Hague’s awful speech today? I suppose the Tories think sabre-rattling is winning them votes and will win them more. More likely a shift because the public saw Labour’s party political, and some Lib-Lab switchers felt sorry for the Clegg character and switched back to Libdem. Bit like the clever Labour cartoon of 1959 (take a look on youtube) that perhaps was “misunderstood” and helped win the Tories a landslide. It seems that Toffs will never understand the character of ordinary people…

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 11:40 pm


    I think even Hague’s worst enemy would hardly call him a “Toff”.

  67. I don’t think you read my post correctly, Habby. Hague is not a toff, but he’s fulfilling the expectation of “toffs”. It may well work. From the Falklands conflict onwards, I have never ceased to be amazed by the obedient “patriotic fervour”. Second part of post was a dig at labour party’s ineptness at understanding how to appeal to ordinary people.

  68. John Goss: ” I don’t believe any power should interfere in the affairs of foreign countries. Putin’s Russia has interfered but nowhere near as much as the US has. ”

    Utterly pukeful listening to Cameron and ‘If you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve nothing to worry about’ Hague’s verbal diaorrhea against Russia today in parliament.

    Cameron, the farcical leader of a failed philosophy of greed which bankrupted the entire world economy states that Russia doesn’t have a plan. Hahahahahaha. But Cameron has a plan, to eat the Thatcher vomit, tickle his throat and spew it up again.

    And Hague mocking Russian weaponry as junk. Yes mr Yorkshire butter, if you don’t bugger your junior colleagues and let you political arsehole be gratified by Zionist banker world domination you don’t get the passwords to your oversized piles of bombs.

    I cannot wait for the result of the election to be rid of them for the last time in my lifetime. I ask one question. If it is possible to create vast quantities of jobs in the run-up to a general election, why was it not possible to create those jobs in the dark days of 2008 onwards?

    Smug selfish slime. They create a recession for their Zio-masters. and create a civil war in Syria for their Zio masters, and then proceed to fill the air with cuckoo cries: ‘ We have thrown the baby chicks of caring Socialism to the ground. We have closed the NHS, we have subjugated workers pay and rights, we have closed personal privacy and social conscience down.’

    I pray these Tory shite will never come to power again in my lifetime. Inshallah. I will not forget this spectacle of the definitive superiority of Socialism over Capitalism. The spectacle of planless Zio-pimped Tories heckling a sister nation for not having re-armed after the Cold War.

    Glad to see Craig exercising his liberal rights to subject his wife to sexual humiliation. I will not forget this spectacle of the definitive superiority of Islam in relation to the treatment of women.

  69. I wouldn’t put it that strongly, Guano. Labour was led by Tony Blair (’nuff said) for many years, and Brown wasn’t much better. Final nail in libdem coffin for me was Paddy Ashdown on the radio the day after MPs voted against war with Syria… pleading for war. So UKIP or Greens… which is it? (playing devils advocate for the “undecideds” of the British electorate. If they get 10% each and libdems recover to 15%, that still leaves 30+% bound to vote Conservative, and that may be enough for them. Only hope is to vote labour. That approach was used by USAns and they got Obama… who is turning into Bush III.

  70. Scouse Billy

    14 May, 2014 - 1:55 am

    John Goss – thank you.

    Peacewisher – Bill was and still is a source of inspiration.

    For anyone who enjoys Sibel Edmonds’ posts here she is with James Corbett et al on Ukraine and Syria. The last 5 minutes is priceless where she lets rip on Seymour Hersh:

  71. Peacewisher I think you mean ..’turned into Bush III’.

    Sky have just had a segment about the election gurus being employed by Agent Cameron and Milipede E. They showed footage of Obomber performing to audiences and explained how Axelrod (The Axe) now employed by Labour achieved Obomber’s election and re-election.

    Agent Cameron is employing Linton Crosbie (The Wizard of Oz) responsible for the promotion of John Howard and Boris Johnson’s two terms as Mayor of London.

    Both creatures of spin will have difficulty in 2015 in achieving their aims.

  72. Here’s my favourite.

    In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia
    Washington’s role in Ukraine, and its backing for the regime’s neo-Nazis, has huge implications for the rest of the world

    John Pilger

    The Guardian, Tuesday 13 May 2014

  73. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 8:41 am

    Thanks for the Livni story, Doug. Contains this rather disturbing admission:

    The UK promised Israel it would change the law to make it harder to secure arrest warrants for Israeli public figures. In an address to the Israeli parliament last month, David Cameron said: “When I was in opposition, I spoke out when – because of the law on universal jurisdiction – senior Israelis could not safely come to my country without fear of ideologically motivated court cases and legal stunts; when I became prime minister, I legislated to change it. My country is open to you and you are welcome to visit any time.”

    Crawling bastard. So –

    Now senior Israelis can come here without fear of entirely legitimate prosecution for serious criminal activity. Well done, Dave. The next move is seriously to question the legitimacy of Cameron’s legislation, which acts to overturn international law under treaties to which the UK is a signatory.

    Bit of background. Usual suspects. Drooling supplicants for grace and favour of apartheid state listed:

    This appears to be the relevant Act – if I’m wrong, I’d welcome correction WITH REFERENCES.

    Dave’s bold stroke in defence of Israel’s freedom to do exactly as it wants was buried in a contentious dog’s breakfast of random provisions loosely scattered round the legislation for appointing police commisioners.

    As far as I can see Section 153 doesn’t apply to Scotland!

  74. Livni features half way down here

    Once Upon a Palestine
    by Tamerishe / August 3rd, 2013

    “Once Upon a Palestine” began in the spring of 2011; a few lines and the title, swiftly followed by a cascade of verse, then put to one side for a previous work barging in out of nowhere, demanding to be written. Going through my own dark night of the soul at the time, “Once Upon a Palestine” continued to gather dust in a drawer until the summer of 2012, when the words came back to haunt me. So here it is. My humble contribution to the betrayed, abandoned, shunned, vilified, outstandingly brave Palestinians of Palestine. I don’t know about the ‘Lost Tribes of Israel.’ It’s about time the dispossessed, ethnically cleansed, indigenous Peoples of Palestine picked up their keys and came home. Where they belong. –Tamerishe

    Cowards and bullies, two of a kind
    Sound in the body, but sick in the mind
    Spawn of the Stern Gang and vile Haganah
    Irgun’s Ms. Livni, her Ma and Papa

    Who would you believe it? But hush now! Don’t tell!
    Blew up us Brits in King David’s Hotel!
    We know who our friends are, didn’t we do well!
    Birds of a feather, we’ll meet them in hell!

    But hey! What’s your problem? We’re all best mates now
    Changing our laws to protect ‘Sacred Cows’
    The woman who boasted, with no sense of shame
    Operation Cast Lead, she’d do all again
    Proud of her role in this orgy of pain

    It’s all so confusing, speak up! Hague! Explain!
    Shielding war criminals, since when was our game
    There’s blood on your hands and it’s staining our name
    The wrong side of history is where lies your fame
    Next to your Masters of Zionist shame!

    You are correct Ba’al about the abolition of universal jurisdiction being ‘slipped’ into police legislation. ‘Slippery’ people these Tory Zionists.

  75. The Diamond geezer is under the microscope again. No stopping of the mindset ‘I want more, more’.

    12 May 2014
    Ex-Barclays executives face fraud office questioning

  76. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 9:05 am

    Talking of war criminals:


    ‘I’ve made it absolutely clear that when the report’s published is entirely up to them [the inquiry team].

    ‘It’s not my decision at all… it’s the responsibility of the people who run the inquiry,’ he said.

    A spokesman said: ‘He has as much reason as anyone for wanting the report published.’(St. Anthony of Baghdad, all papers)

    But it’s admittedly a bit more opaque than that. Much further under the MSM radar is the question of 200 Cabinet minutes requested by Chilcot, whose release seems to have been obstructed (in the most gentlemanly way possible) by Cameron’s merry men.

    This was the position in November last year, and appears to still be the position:

    The rule of law would have a lot more validity if the government of the day didn’t change it when it was inconvenient or flannel its way out of its legal obligations.

  77. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 9:22 am

    From the CFOI link @ 8.41 –

    Ambassador Gould asserted that the UK’s justice system could no longer be “abused for political reasons”

    I wish.

  78. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 9:35 am

    Very distant planet bearing life of a sort detected. And Wiiliam Hague is there –

    “A negotiated two-state agreement remains the only way to resolve the conflict once and for all. The parameters are clear: two states, based on 1967 borders with agreed land swaps, Jerusalem as a shared capital, a just, fair and agreed settlement for refugees, and Gaza as an integral part of the Palestinian state.”

    As are the winged pigs, effortlessly soaring over the cigarette trees.

    Scroll down to 1 May. Connoisseurs may also be interested to note that the vacancy for HR Head at our embassy in Tel Aviv is advertised in English and Hebrew. But not Arabic. LOL.

  79. Pfizer hard faced and dead eyed. At the the Science Committee today.

    Pfizer facing second grilling by MPs
    Pfizer Chief Executive Ian Read
    Pfizer’s boss is being questioned for a second day by MPs about the drug firm’s controversial bid for AstraZeneca.

    Read is with a Mikael Dolsten, Research and Development and an Australian Vice President Rod McKenzie.

    Reminder:In September 2009, Pfizer pleaded guilty to the illegal marketing of the arthritis drug Bextra for uses unapproved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and agreed to a $2.3 billion settlement, the largest health care fraud settlement at that time.[8] Pfizer also paid the U.S. government $1.3 billion in criminal fines related to the “off-label” marketing of Bextra, the largest monetary penalty ever rendered for any crime.[9] Called a repeat offender, this was Pfizer’s fourth such settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice in the previous ten years.[10][11]

    Mr Read said he was “very proud” of his 35 years at the firm, describing it as a “company of high integrity focused on patients and delivering drugs to patients”.

    We are a highly ethical company. Pfizer is a company that keeps its promises.”

  80. We have not addressed two very important and acute issues in this lowest ever key EU election, nboth pressing and far more important than party politics.

    One is the issue of bees and nicotinoids which have been proven to kill these bees by weakening their immune systems and leading to colony collapse. A minister should stand up and ban the use of these wretched pesticides.

    The other issue is still fresh in peoples minds and they are desperate to know how we can bear children with flippers instead of feet, so they can swim, even if they don’t get taught swimming at school, hah hah ha, on an island, you could not make it up.
    Rising sea levels are ineviatble and somebody will have to do some precautionary planning very soon.

    We do not need a dangerous PWR nuclear industry and future for our children! but we need a Severn, Wash and a Thames barrier with tidal energy schemes and lock systems to safeguard the realm, whatever this fancy notion entails.

    and piss on Ms Livni and her ilk.

  81. Correction on Rod Mackenzie. I don’t think he is Australian!

    No mentions of Dolsten’s nationality in any of the biogs. He did study at the Weizmann Institute in Israel. He grosses $6.5m pa at Pfizer and worked for Astra Zeneca previously.

    Pfizer are very greedy and very hungry to state the obvious.

  82. UN marked helicopter used by Kiev troops in operations in Eastern Ukraine. According to RT, the UN is investigating possible war crime:

    Not surprising, then, that they want journalists out of the way!

  83. Why does a scientist’s nationality matter? Your snide allusion to the fact that Mr Dolsten studied at the Weizmann Institute holds no water. Have you studied at a college or university outside your hometown or region? I have and it didn’t make me Scottish or French.

    There are enough reasons for people to be concerned about the AZ – Pfizer issue without you degrading the argument with your anti-Israel and anti-Jewish views.

  84. Peacewisher

    What about Warren? She talks talk I never thought I’d hear from a US politician? Makes the witch look like green slime potion.

    Obama’s field agents Boko Haram have got AfriCom into Nigeria. If black Obama was to be used for African conquest, I ask myself what socialist Warren can be used for? Former Soviet countries or Chinese negotiations. Zollywood has a plan.

    Talking of Green, Caroline Lucas’s anti-fracking demonstration makes her the logical choice for all logical people who see water pollution by fracking as a far greater menace than Thatcher’s feeding cows on sheep brains.

    That particular item is a Kurdish delicacy, with a strong gamey flavour. My Kurdish language skills are insufficient to explain to my Kurdish hosts the full reasons for my not wanting to eat sheeps brains.

    They have their own bonkers political agendas, one of which is whether to build a medieval ditch/rampart against Qaida in neighbouring Syria. Darlings, they have UK passports. They are coming in by plane. [sheepbrains]

  85. On topic!

    Beard shaved in Eurovision protest
    A Russian blogger has shaved off his beard in protest that a drag act from Austria won the Eurovision Song Contest.

    I don’t know the source of ‘BT News’ but they had to get a dig in at President Putin.

  86. Mary 14 May, 2014 – 7:54 am

    Thanks for the John Pilger link. Thank God for sensible and honest journalists. This is from the article.

    ‘The name of “our” enemy has changed over the years, from communism to Islamism, but generally it is any society independent of western power and occupying strategically useful or resource-rich territory, or merely offering an alternative to US domination. The leaders of these obstructive nations are usually violently shoved aside, such as the democrats Muhammad Mossedeq in Iran, Arbenz in Guatemala and Salvador Allende in Chile, or they are murdered like Patrice Lumumba in the Democratic Republic of Congo. All are subjected to a western media campaign of vilification – think Fidel Castro, Hugo Chávez, now Vladimir Putin.”‘

    Craig knows Pilger is an honest guy and not one whose eyes have had the wool pulled down over them. We all want our country to be portrayed in a favourable light. But if we have to stoop to support a western-funded fascist spearhead of thuggish megalomaniacs who have overthrown an elected government, then my back, for one, is too sore to bend down in support of these clients.

  87. @ 11.08am

    Makes a big difference. Wheels within wheels you know?

    Israel are big pharmaceutical manufacturers especially of generic products.

    Teva is one.

    Read about its founder Mr Hurvitz. Always a scandal with the money cf Olmert.

  88. PS ‘Mick’@ 11.08am I note you do not comment on the visit of Ms Livni the war criminal to these shores or on the abolition of the law of universal jurisdiction by this Israel loving government as outlined by Ba’al Zevul. Cat got your tongue?

    Yes John. Thank God for John Pilger.

  89. 14 May 2014

    Please read this article prepared by Harriet Sherwood and published in the Guardian on May 13, 2014. The article is about the UK awarding ‘special mission’ status to Tzipi Livni, Israel’s justice minister, and thus a diplomatic immunity to protect her against prosecution ahead of a planned visit to the UK.

    The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) and Hickman and Rose have been prosecuting Livni before the British courts for years on the grounds alleged war crimes against Palestinian civilians and their property during the Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip 2008-2009, codenamed operation “Cast Lead”. The article includes important information and quotations said by lawyer Raji Sourani, Director of PCHR, condemning the UK’s position and how it failed to fulfill its legal obligations to prosecute war criminals.

    In 2009, Livni cancelled a visit to the UK after PCHR and its partners had obtained an arrest warrant from the court. However, Livni could visit the UK in 2011, when the British government awarded her a diplomatic immunity as well.


  90. “Craig knows Pilger is an honest guy”

    And that black is white etc. etc.

  91. Must be lunchtime ESLO! :)

  92. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 1:15 pm

    Why does a scientist’s nationality matter? Your snide allusion to the fact that Mr Dolsten studied at the Weizmann Institute holds no water. Have you studied at a college or university outside your hometown or region? I have and it didn’t make me Scottish or French.

    There are enough reasons for people to be concerned about the AZ – Pfizer issue without you degrading the argument with your anti-Israel and anti-Jewish views.

    Well, yes, though I’m not watching Mary at the moment. But how splendidly your observation chimes with a piece in today’s Grauniad, also re. AstroZeneca/Pfizer…

    The only guarantee that the Scotland-born Read (of Pfizer – BZ)was prepared to give was that 20% of the R&D workforce would be based in Britain for the next five years… (Print edition, P6)

    Now why was it important that we know that Read is, er, ‘Scotland-born’? Maybe he can’t be described as Scottish for some reason? But why not simply omit his nationality, as the same piece did with all the other named participants, Adrian Bailey, David Cameron (silver spoon-born?), Vince Cable, Brian Binley, Pascal Soriot, Paul Nurse and Chuka Umunna? Iz it coz he iz EVIL?

  93. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:19 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    “This appears to be the relevant Act – if I’m wrong, I’d welcome correction WITH REFERENCES.”

    It is.

    But your comment would have gained if you had bothered to mention the following:

    1/. Section 153 does NOT prevent the prosecution in the UK of people alleged to have committed the listed offences overseas. What is does do is to remove the possibility for PRIVATE individuals to cause (with the help of a friendly magistrate) arrest warrants to be issued; henceforth, the issue of arrest warrants for the alleged offences is a matter for the Director of Public Prosecutions. The aim is to prevent trial and/or vexatious action on the part of any Tom Dick or Harry with an axe to grind.
    There is any number of alleged (and lesser) offences for which the issuance of arrest warrants is solely in the power of the public authorities (eg police) and not private individuals. Example : dangerous driving.

    2/. Contrary to the impression you seek to give, the Act apploes to everyone and not only alleged Israeli offenders.

    3/. Contrary to what you appear to be claiming, the change in the law intiruced by that Act does NOT contravene the UK’s obligations under any body of international law to which the UK is a signatory party.

    Hope that helps.

  94. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:23 pm

    “the issue of arrest warrants for the alleged offences is a matter for the Director of Public Prosecutions. The aim is to prevent trial and/or vexatious action ..”

    should read

    “the issuance of arrest warrants for the alleged offences is a matter for the Director of Public Proecutions. The aim is to prevent trivial and/or vexatious action..”

  95. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:27 pm


    “You are correct Ba’al about the abolition of universal jurisdiction being ‘slipped’ into police legislation. ‘Slippery’ people these Tory Zionists.”

    As I’ve pointed out, Mary, the Act cited by Ba’al does NOT abolish universal jurisdiction.

    It removes the power to cause the issuance of arrest warrants from the man in the street and puts it in the hands of the DPP.

  96. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:31 pm

    Mick (to Mother Mary)

    “Why does a scientist’s nationality matter? Your snide allusion to the fact that Mr Dolsten studied at the Weizmann Institute holds no water. Have you studied at a college or university outside your hometown or region? I have and it didn’t make me Scottish or French.

    There are enough reasons for people to be concerned about the AZ – Pfizer issue without you degrading the argument with your anti-Israel and anti-Jewish views.”

    That’s par for the course with Mary, I’m afraid. The prejudice will out.

  97. @Guano: But Indian Mangos are banned!

  98. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:36 pm


    PS ‘Mick’@ 11.08am I note you do not comment on the visit of Ms Livni the war criminal to these shores or on the abolition of the law of universal jurisdiction by this Israel loving government as outlined by Ba’al Zevul. Cat got your tongue?


    You’ve said it again and so I’ll have to correct you again : universal jurisdiction has NOT been abolished in the UK.

    As to the “war criminal” Mrs Livni, that’s only your opinion. As far as I know, she has not been indicted anywhere except on various blogs (and perhaps self-appointed “Tribunals” without any standing whatsoever)

  99. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:39 pm

    Mr Goss

    “Must be lunchtime ESLO! :)”

    Yes, perhaps ESLO holds down a regular job and posts in his own free time – unlike, it seems, quite a few of the Eminences here.

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