Deadly Fiasco

by craig on June 13, 2014 11:18 am in Uncategorized

The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation. The idea that further western bombing will make things better is so deluded as to beggar belief.

I was surprised to find during my Burnes research that the imperialist powers of Britain and Russia were explicitly exploiting Sunni and Shia divisions to further their conquests of Islamic lands as early as the 1830’s. This has been the major tool of the neo-con Middle Eastern gameplan for some time, spreading disunity and crippling war throughout the Middle East, with the hope that this will benefit the interests of Israel.

The peculiar result has been that in general the West is very actively supporting Sunni armies and miscellaneous forces, but in Iraq is supporting the Shia. ISIS – which is heavily backed by the Saudis, who hate al-Maliki – brings this paradox into sharp relief. The current US and UK strategy is to persuade Saudi Arabia to get ISIS to reconcentrate their efforts against Assad, on the understanding they will be allowed to keep the Sunni areas of Iraq (the old neo-con plan of dividing Iraq is firmly back on the agenda).

The BBC News this morning said that ISIS would not be capable of using the billions of dollars of sophisticated western armaments they have captured. I think you will find the Saudis remedy that one quite quickly. It is quite possible we will see some token airstrikes to kill civilians in Mosul, in order to appease Obama’s domestic backers who are never happy if Americans aren’t killing enough people, but only after agreement has been reached with the Saudis that no serious harm will be done – except to the ordinary people neither Obama, the Saudis or al-Maliki care in the least about.

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  1. Gaia Hepburn

    14 Jun, 2014 - 9:55 am

    I usually skip reading the trolls but I would prefer that they be banned. We all know who they are. They serve no honest purpose.

  2. Sofia Kibo Noh

    14 Jun, 2014 - 10:51 am

    Richard Alan Jones
    13 Jun, 2014 – 12:02 pm

    Spot on!
    “So let me get this right. We support the Iraq government in the fight against ISIS. We don’t like ISIS, but ISIS is supported him, but ISIS is also fighting against him. We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against ISIS. So some of our friends support our enemies, some enemies are now our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, who we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win. If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they could be replaced by people we like even less, and all this was started by us invading a country to drive out terrorists who were not actually there until we went in to drive them out. I think I’ve got it.”

    Any chance of your take on the contradictiond of the Nuland Gang’s ATO?

    Meanwhile here’s Aleksandr Zmeyevsky the Russian presidential representative for international cooperation against terrorism and organized crime at the UN on Friday. “Taking actions with a foreign blessing and support to suppress a protest movement, using troops and radical nationalists against civilians under the guise of a fight against terrorism, which is what is happening today in Ukraine, is absolutely unacceptable,”

  3. MSM has reported a lot more on Iraq since the Sunnis advanced on Baghdad than ever it did in the run up to the last Iraq war. There is a theme to what is reported and what is not.

    The BBC and Sky have even reported the shooting down of a Ukrainian forces military plane killing all 49 on board. But it only reports on issues where the government’s forces are attacked making it look like the pro-Russian Ukrainians are the aggressors, like the military helicopter shot down a fortnight ago. Remeber these are military targets. It does not report the mass killing of civilians in the towns (including 20 children) which has gone on over the same period. That is not news. Shameful I call it.

  4. Why would you expect any different, John. There has been a propaganda war going on since 9/11. IMHO, we in the UK used to be able to get a slightly balanced picture was because the BBC had some independence, and was competing for audience with Channel 4. When I saw John Pilger at Hay in 2004, for example, the event was sponsored by Channel 4. After Hutton, Channel 4 managed to continue in this vein… otherwise Rory Bremner & Co’s magnificent satires wouldn’t have been aired. The neutering of Channel 4 News was the final straw.

    Can the MSM filterers achieve “news management” on two fronts though?

  5. Roxy Music’s Brian Eno questions Britain’s involvement in Ukraine, Iraq and Palestine – does the UK have a right to expand NATO and will we ever hear back from the Chilcot Inquiry?

    Bianca Jagger exposes the double standards when it comes to dealing with rape in Sri Lanka because of our own governments arms trade deals with the country.

    http://rt.com/shows/going-underground/165896-sexual-violence-foreign-wars/

    Interestingly some 30 years ago I achieved UK political asylum for Sri Lankan friend, Sumi, by using company sponsorship. Sumi and his fatherless family fled the country after government forces destroyed their village, murdered and raped many young girls.

  6. Some of the best coverage on Iraq at the moment is from Aljazeera. They were/are neocon regarding Ukraine, but present more objectively on ISIS, Sistani, and all the other players in the region.

  7. Sofia Kibo Noh

    14 Jun, 2014 - 11:52 am

    While the corporate media turns ever more spectacular sommersaults trying to fit observable reality into the Neocon fantasy narrative, the evidence of multiple breaches of international law continues to mount. All symptoms of the same malady.

    More evidence here,

    http://tomgiuretis.com/

    Time to pile on the pressure for the perpetrators and their foreign backers to answer for their actions in the international courts?

  8. Will we (the people) get a Chilcot Report, Mark? Only if we follow the same tactics as the Hillsborough families, and that means 20 years hard slog. Are you prepared to keep going until 2023?

  9. Regarding news management, John… how can you manage the news when the “goodies” become the “baddies”.

    This seems to be what has happened with ISIS. They were the goodies in the MSM in Syria. Now they’ve gone over the border to Iraq they are rapidly being re-portrayed as the baddies (spoiling peace and democracy in Iraq). If you tell enough lies, then sooner or later they’ll come back to haunt you!

  10. Tony – you could take over the Low Life column at the Spectator, I am not taking the piss. You might have to add some narrative, but otherwise you are there.

    Guano – congratulations on exceeding the permitted level of craziness. Respect to you for that.

    Wonder if Iran is nervous as to whether ISIS is some sort of trap and whether all is not what it appears? I have no grounds for any such suspicion save that things often are not as they appear; apply Occam’s razor test and then conclude the opposite.

    Habba – all fools are welcome: fake or real.

  11. Peacewisher – The Chilcot report has a ‘big black marker’ over implicating text that entangles Blair/Bush within the ‘Iraq lie’ –

    I am committed to expose this deceit before returning; for the innocent new lives so destroyed and left out of giving back love.

  12. “Regarding news management, John… how can you manage the news when the “goodies” become the “baddies”.”

    Yep. There are no goodies and baddies Peacemaker. Anybody involved in war is a baddie. It’s peace we want. The laws are much better under peace.

  13. In case this disappears from Craig’s view in the lower threads. Important. We have heard it all about the state broadcaster now.

    Better Together film ‘made in BBC studio’
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/better-together-film-made-in-bbc-studio-1-3444021

  14. Yes, Jon, but news media have to have goodies and baddies. Makes for more exciting news… and keeps their government happy as well if they get it “the right way round”. BBC now seems to have got them definitely as baddies, must be confusing because Iran now “goodies”. LOL!

    Mark… so am I. But no-one is going to listen to a couple of bloggers. Stop the War Coalition, or (better) Amnesty International should be leading this.

  15. Connecting all this with the last thread…. if Iran and US are now on the same side, where does that leave “Bomb Iran” Blair?

  16. Thanks for the pragmatism Peacemaker – looking back we do have a ‘chunkymark’ intention… and Craig.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_1S7HfFCGM#t=18

  17. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Jun, 2014 - 2:30 pm

    Gaia Hepburn

    “I usually skip reading the trolls but I would prefer that they be banned. We all know who they are. They serve no honest purpose”
    __________________________

    I absolutely agree with you, Gaia.

    It is sad to see how this blog of Craig’s, started with the noblest of intentions, has been turned into a kind of mixture between a semi-private chatroom for a few self-important,lonely people and a platform for the vapourings of assorted shills, paid for by God knows whom: the PLO/Hamas shills, the Iran shills, the rasPutin/Russia is better shills, and so on.

    They should be laughed off the blog. I have made a start on this and have been joined by a small number of other posters who have the good of this blog at heart, but as you know, the trolls are legion. Please do what YOU can to help and ask your friends to do likewise! Many thanks.

  18. Mark,
    I understand why chunkymark shouts so much – he wants us to see his anger at the system, he doesn’t want us to be complacent, he wants us to be angry too …. fair enough. But I HATE being shouted at, by anybody, even by someone I agree with, who’s on my side. So I can’t ever last through a full video of him. Pity, cos he’s one of the good guys.

  19. That above was from the troll who contributes NOTHING here except dissent, distortion, distraction, and destruction.

    http://bitsocialmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Internet-Troll-281×300.jpg

  20. Beyond Iraq and a Hard Place
    Bremner, Bird and Fortune.

    We don’t have satire like this nowadays.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_jUboo66d8

    There are 3 more parts linked on the page.

  21. I missed this but I expect the subject of Iraq came up.

    Rushanara Ali MP,
    Charles Moore,
    George Galloway MP,
    Nigel Evans MP
    Duration: 48 minutes
    First broadcast:Friday 13 June 2014
    Jonathan Dimbleby presents political debate from the Althorp Literary Festival in Northampton with Shadow Education Minister Rushanara Ali MP, Respect MP for Bradford George Galloway, Former Deputy Speaker Nigel Evans MP and the columnist and official biographer for Margaret Thatcher Charles Moore.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0460znf

    plus Any Answers which was on today http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b046j1rm

  22. Peacewisher 14 Jun, 2014 – 12:58 pm
    “… so am I. But no-one is going to listen to a couple of bloggers. Stop the War Coalition, or (better) Amnesty International should be leading this.”

    Peacewisher,

    Our desire for others to act on our behalf is learned, stupefying and bound to disappoint.

    Out of interest where do you blog?

  23. Jemand

    I do agree that it is hard to understand, when the Qur’an tells us to worship God alone, the Shi’a worship saints. It is difficult to understand how they believe in the book, understand the Arabic, but refuse to obey its instructions.

    But it’s easy to understand why they do it. If God delegated His power to the prophet SAW, and he delegated it to holy men, and a little bit for the Queen, and a bit for the Royal Mail…and a little bit for the Ayatollah and his brainless hordes of fighters.

    The children of Israel were deceived into worshipping the twinkle dust put into the golden calf. So it follows quite easily that Shi’a can also be deceived.

    In both cases they were not deceived until after they received clear instructions not to do the worship they ended up doing.

    How can Muslims force people to not to do what they have had clear instructions not to do. The US gave Maliki a chance to form a new country in Iraq. They say if you took commonsense down to the market place no one would buy it. Those who have it have no need for it, and those who do not have it would consider it a waste of time.

    Malik has just done what Saddam used to do, buy CIA weaponry. That should have been sufficient warning to him that his neck was on the block. Might come in handy for Daish to use on Assad though.

    When Daish do that, its time for the US to intervene on them.
    Scooby-dooby-doo

  24. I guess that shouting is like a dog barking A Node, to alert the pack to danger. It is the artist taxi driver’s signature.

  25. Another one of these female loudmouths from the US State department has just been shown making a accusatory statement about the Ukrainian separatists and blaming them for the downing of a Kiev plane in which 49 died when it crashed. Does she have evidence for her accusations?

    One Marie Harf. ex CIA and she majored in Jewish Studies and Russian and European Studies. On the last elect Obomber election trail.

    That all fits.

    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/bureau/220636.htm

    She is from the same department as Psakis.
    http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/biog/bureau/220636.htm

  26. doug scorgie

    14 Jun, 2014 - 7:55 pm

    Now the fucking Pope tells of his doubts over Scottish independence.

    The West Central and Highlands being Catholic and the rest being Protestant.

    Divide and rule:

    “Pope voices fears over Scottish independence”

    “The Pontiff argues that the break-up of Yugoslavia was justified but questions whether “things are quite as clear” for other independence movements, including that in Scotland”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10897888/Pope-voices-fears-over-Scottish-independence.html

    What a complete tosser!

  27. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Jun, 2014 - 8:13 pm

    “That above was from the troll who contributes NOTHING here except dissent, distortion, distraction, and destruction.”
    ____________________

    Which is a bit rich coming from the bitch who mindlessly cuts and pastes away the whole day and never ever responds to perfectly reasonable and pertinent questions.

    Ni discussion, no reasoning, no thought, no follow through.

    An ostrich bitch.

  28. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Jun, 2014 - 8:17 pm

    More from the bitch:

    “Another one of these female loudmouths from the US State department……One Marie Harf. ex CIA and she majored in Jewish Studies and Russian and European Studies.”
    _______________________–

    Why don’t you come into the open and say it, Mary – SHE’S A ….JOOOOOOOO!!

    ***********************

    Habbabkuk against sly anti-Jewishness, racism and sexism

  29. “Does she have evidence for her accusations?”

    I don’t believe anybody is actually denying it.

    RT are reporting the plane was shot down with a missile and the pro Russian Ukrainian forces are confirming it.

    http://rt.com/news/165880-ukraine-lugansk-jet-paratroopers/

  30. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 Jun, 2014 - 8:24 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “The Pontiff argues that the break-up of Yugoslavia was justified but questions whether “things are quite as clear” for other independence movements, including that in Scotland”
    ____________________

    Sounds quite reasonable to me as a point for discussion, Doug. What exactly are you objecting to?

    And please state whether or not you think that the Holy Father is allowed to have a view and to express it, Doug.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=

    “Now the fucking Pope tells of his doubts over Scottish independence……What a complete tosser!”
    _______________

    Whatever the Holy Father’s view is, Doug, I suspect he manages to express it slightly more elegantly than you do. But he is, of course, an educated man.

    ************************

    Lq vita è bella, life is good!

    “Now the fucking Pope tells of his doubts over Scottish independence.
    ……..

  31. Apparently some guy walked into a Glasgow Ladbrokes today and put £400k on No. That is, by some accounts, the largest ever political bet placed in the UK. He has undoubtedly landed himself £290,000, tax free. I see Ladbrokes are no longer accepting bets over £137.50 on the Scotch bottling it.

  32. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    14 Jun, 2014 - 8:40 pm

    Even the ex Hitler Youth/Pope was lightly beginning to clean the house of pedophiles. Frankie? Meh.

    http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/pope-francis-silence-on-pedophilia-and-argentina-s-dirty-war/17875-pope-francis-silence-on-pedophilia-and-argentina-s-dirty-war

    While it may be understandable that Bergoglio was unwilling to risk his life during the “Dirty War,” which would have been threatened had he vigorously spoken out against the military dictatorship’s human rights abuses, it is far less understandable why, for the longest time, he has remained virtually indifferent to those who suffered at the hands of sexually abusive clergy in Argentina.

    The Washington Post’s Nick Miroff recently reported on the case of Father Julio Cesar Grassi, an Argentine priest who, in 2009 was convicted of sexual abuse, and is now free on appeal. According to Miroff, “in the years after Grassi’s conviction, Bergoglio … has declined to meet with the victim of the priest’s crimes or the victims of other predations by clergy under his leadership. He did not offer personal apologies or financial restitution, even in cases in which the crimes were denounced by other members of the church and the offending priests were sent to jail.”

    There is no evidence, Miroff reported, that Bergoglio “played a role in covering up abuse cases.” However, “during most of the 14 years that Bergoglio served as archbishop of Buenos Aires, [prominent] rights advocates say, he did not take decisive action to protect children or act swiftly when molestation charges surfaced; nor did he extend apologies to the victims of abusive priests after their misconduct came to light.”

    Ernesto Moreau, a member of Argentina’s U.N.-affiliated Permanent Assembly for Human Rights and a lawyer who has represented victims in a clergy sexual-abuse case told the Associated Press that “Bergoglio has been the strongest man in the Argentine church since the beginning of this century, [and yet] the leadership of the church has never done anything to remove these people from these places, and neither has it done anything to relieve the pain of the victims.”

  33. 400k on No vote?

    Never knew Salmond was a gambler :-)

  34. Well, if the authoritarians and elites are agin it, it’s most likely good for the peeps.

    This is The Reformation all over again.

    People are increasingly seeing the elites for the decadent destructive lying thieving parasites they are.

    New forms of communication sidestepping the elite’s mass media, rationalism, individual thinking and of course the pampleteers on their blogs.

    The Holy Father.

    Are you an adult child, habby.

  35. What is it you have against the Pope, Herbie? Washing and kissing the feet of convicts too elitist for you?

  36. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    14 Jun, 2014 - 9:11 pm

    “Washing and kissing the feet of convicts too elitist for you?”

    Sandpaper and varnish won’t cure the dry rot and wormy woodiness.

  37. Get back to the peace pipe, Ben. You’re not making any sense!

  38. Bush and Blair: ‘Let’s go to bed.’ ‘Let’s go to war.’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvVltIQjo-4&feature=youtu.be

  39. The bet story is as are most of them, a stunt, it never happened outside the made reality of the mainstream media, the Daily Record (circulation: the plughole) once again blunders, they should, but no doubt will not apologise for misleading the public, but misleading the public is what they do, it is their core function, it has Daily Sport levels of credibility and merely fabricates filler between the Arnold Clark adverts and idolising New Labour nonentities, crooks and thieves. The innumerate “Anon” has doubled the amount from 200k to 400k, and it didn’t happen “today” as you claim, or yesterday, or last week when the story was last printed in the Record, and probably didn’t happen in June 2013 either, though it was a year ago when the press release on the William Hill website was dated, which the Record lifted last week, in their desperation to please Miliband D.

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/against-all-odds/

    Comments on the article suggest the whole thing is fishy tale from start to finish, a publicity stunt by William Hill, I’ve never been inside a betting shop in my life, but insiders suggest in the real world such things do not, could not happen as described.

  40. “Man bets £400,000 on Scotland saying ‘no'”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/10889315/Man-bets-400000-on-Scotland-choosing-to-remain-in-union.html

    4 days ago.

    William Hill though, not Ladbrokes.

  41. Tony M,

    Exactly.

    Although i made a joke of it earlier i immediately sensed the ‘story’ reeks of shite.

    Nowt new there with regard to the abysmal Daily Record.

    File under pish.

  42. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    14 Jun, 2014 - 9:46 pm

    Anon Scotch is whisky. Scots are the people.

    ~~

    In come the trolls two by two just like Noah’s menagerie.

  43. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    14 Jun, 2014 - 9:50 pm

    Is there some schizophrenia present or are there more than one Habbabkuks?

    These on Squonk yesterday which I thought were really sweet.

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella! { You forgot to mention far fewer butterflies. } – Jun 13, 9:02 PM The General Discussion…

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella! { Mary Just to tell you that I do like reading your posts about animals and nature generally…. } – Jun 13, 9:01 PM The General Discussion

  44. ” Scotch is whisky. ”

    or eggs, tape, mist, pie, broth or a Corner.

  45. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    14 Jun, 2014 - 9:57 pm

    So what has Petro got in mind? Doesn’t he know the saying You reap what you sow?

    14 June 2014
    Ukraine’s Poroshenko vows response to Luhansk plane downing
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27849435

    Ukraine’s new president Petro Poroshenko is taking on a poisoned inheritance
    http://www.thenational.ae/world/ukraine/ukrainex2019s-new-president-petro-poroshenko-is-taking-on-a-poisoned-inheritance

  46. Mary

    Beyond Iraq and a Hard Place

    The situation is awful and can only be mourned.

  47. Aahhh. The problem isn’t that there is too much war in the world, it’s that there isn’t enough ……

    “The world just hasn’t had that much warfare lately, at least not by historical standards. Some of the recent headlines about Iraq or South Sudan make our world sound like a very bloody place, but today’s casualties pale in light of the tens of millions of people killed in the two world wars in the first half of the 20th century. Even the Vietnam War had many more deaths than any recent war involving an affluent country.”

    …. and apparently war is good for us …..

    “It may seem repugnant to find a positive side to war in this regard, but a look at American history suggests we cannot dismiss the idea so easily. Fundamental innovations such as nuclear power, the computer and the modern aircraft were all pushed along by an American government eager to defeat the Axis powers or, later, to win the Cold War. The Internet was initially designed to help this country withstand a nuclear exchange, and Silicon Valley had its origins with military contracting, not today’s entrepreneurial social media start-ups. “

    OK. Right.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/14/upshot/the-lack-of-major-wars-may-be-hurting-economic-growth.html?_r=0

  48. Calling Scots “Scotch” elicits just the sort of precious whinging reaction one hopes for when using the term, the only surprise this time being that it comes from a Surreyite.

  49. This is the way the world ends, not with a bang, but a whimper.

  50. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    14 Jun, 2014 - 10:29 pm

    As you say Jay, there is no peace for any of us anywhere in this still beautiful world that we inhabit.

    But in spite of the seriousness of the present situation on many fronts, Agent Cameron found time to wish the footballing millionaires well for tonight. He is so like BLiar now, it’s laughable.

    He has a namesake LOL

    Cameron the lion, who lives at Bristol Zoo, has chosen an England victory tonight having had three boxes of meat to choose from, England, Italy and the draw. http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9348866/lion-predicts-england-win

    Remember that clever octopus?

  51. Excellent post – Craig.

    I came against this interesting website:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/former-french-foreign-minister-the-war-against-syria-was-planned-two-years-before-the-arab-spring/5339112

    Pure speculation but wasn’t this the time of Adam Werrity and Liam Fox?

    What have we started?

    Can we not ban Habbabkuk? He’s gone too far this time.

  52. Resident Dissident

    14 Jun, 2014 - 10:41 pm

    Anon

    Those objecting to the use of Scotch clearly never read the preface to AJP Taylor’s English History 1914-1945

    “Some inhabitants of Scotland now call themselves Scots and their affairs Scottish. They are entitled to do so. The English word for both is Scotch, just as we call les français the French and Deutschland Germany. Being English, I use it.”

  53. As expected.

    Tony Blair rejects ‘bizarre’ claims that invasion of Iraq caused the crisis
    ‘We have to liberate ourselves from the notion that “we” caused this’, argues former prime minister in website essay

    The Observer, Saturday 14 June 2014 22.16 BST
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/15/tony-blair-iraq-essay

    The article refers to his ‘essay’ on his Faith Foundation website but I cannot see it there. http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/

  54. Resident Dissident

    14 Jun, 2014 - 10:53 pm

    “I came against this interesting website:”

    Nah – I don’t think so

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca

    “Can we not ban Habbabkuk? He’s gone too far this time.”

    I think Habba can point to at least 10 insults for everyone he gives out in return – but strangely enough never a call for the banning of those giving out the most insults. Mary for example has yet to even provide an explanation for her “something of the Talmud comment” about Peter Mandelson a few weeks back.

  55. R2D2 How strange that you should know about that slime. You are not the author of it by any chance are you?

    PS Michel Chossudovsky knows of it too

  56. Give it a week, it’ll be some other paper, and 600k. Osborne’s robots really need to get a grip on inflation, this quantatitive-easing lark is getting out of hand, can’t the comeback-kid clunking-fist Brown come back and do one last favour for humanity?

    You can’t make this stuff up, but they do, surprisingly often. The Telegraph hack’s article doesn’t say Ladbrokes, but William Hill, as did the Daily Record one -I wish you, or they would make up their minds which bookmaker and stick with it, the bookie’s runner spokesmuppet named in both articles is the same, one Graham Sharpe, and he seems pleased and confident in his well-vetted and hauntingly familiar statement, that they – William Hill – will be keeping any money wagered (less the chancellor’s take) -it doesn’t sound like there’ll be much spectral jam tomorrow for this phantom anonymous punter. Here we have more of Blair’s toxic legacies, along with Iraq: divisive happy-clappy ‘faith’ schools, vampire banks and now record levels of gambling and parasitic back-street bookies spreading like a nasty rash. Casino Loyal, where once mighty engines forged the modern world, our fate turns now on George Osbourne getting a full-house at the bingo.

    The newspapers have entered the silly-season Olympics with a series of spectacular flops.

  57. Resident – I wouldn’t believe too much on rational wiki…

    A moment’s internet research would be wise.

  58. The interesting thing is just how media popular the past few popes have become.

    They’re now biggin’em up.

    Ratso’s visit to Westminster was an absolute disgrace. All that curtseying and crawling from the political and media class. It was very creepy, as if a bigger boss had come to town.

    Big shift from not so long ago.

    And this Pope Francis, Assisi, the Jesuit, who didn’t go along with Liberation Theology during the fascist days in South America, and now he’s kissing ugly people, disabled people, poor people and gods knows what else.

    I mean, if people can’t see all this nonsense for the media charade it is, then it’s not surprising they’re always on their knees.

  59. If true, it is outrageous. I am told that on the BBC ‘News’ it was announced that BLiar is coming on Marr tomorrow morning. The blurb only mentions John Reid and Sajid Javid.

    Perhaps the likes of BLiar’s mate has been leaned on and James Harding too, Director News and Current Affairs and Zionist supporter.

    Apologists for Israel take top posts at BBC
    http://electronicintifada.net/content/apologists-israel-take-top-posts-bbc/12395

  60. Herbie Did you know that Patten Chairman of the BBC Trust was seconded to organize the Ratzinger visit. Wasn’t it excruciating and each minute of it was covered by the BBC. It must have cost a fortune.

    Pope visit declared ‘overwhelming success’ by Lord Patten
    The Pope’s visit to Britain has been an “overwhelming success”, according to the Government’s organiser.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/8014433/Pope-visit-declared-overwhelming-success-by-Lord-Patten.html

  61. Yes, Mary

    Patten is a famous English Roman Catholic. Earlier in his career this was pointed out at every available opportunity, for some reason.

    But yes, it was very weird and creepy. Ratso looked like Klaus Kinski in Nosferatu with his pointy red shoes and dark eyes.

    However, this was a very political moment.

    Interesting perhaps to look at how much they were hit in media, across the Western world over the child abuse scandals.

    Not so much of that now in media internationally, but if you look locally you’ll see there is much yet to resolve.

    Looks to me like they were hit with the child abuse stuff to change their mind about something.

    Must have worked.

    The media campaign is over, and they’re rehabilitated and being crept to again.

    I’d love to see a mass media campaign against Councils and their care of children. Seems we only ever get that in incidental form, and no overall narrative is ever constructed.

  62. Its all just Roman theatre and PR.

    Ratzy was told to do one cos he wasnt telegenic.

    Beergoggler was fixed in as the new,ahem,touchy feely geezer.

    The rest is guff.

  63. Mary – if you really want to read Blair’s full demented denial

    http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/iraq-syria-and-the-middle-east-an-essay-by-tony-blair/

  64. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 1:07 am

    “R2D2 How strange that you should know about that slime”

    “Resident – I wouldn’t believe too much on rational wiki…

    A moment’s internet research would be wise.”

    That’s where a moment’s internet research into Global Research led me – and everything it said appeared to be revealing and well sourced – I note its healthy skepticism towards the usual conspiracy theories. Of course Mary calling it “slime” would be a another argument in its favour.

  65. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 1:15 am

    “Mary – if you really want to read Blair’s full demented denial”

    Of course she does – she hangs on his every word don’t you know – she’s Dorking equivalent of the old ladies in Clochmerle who monitored the public urinals so as confirm how they offended public decency.

  66. Blair’s ‘demented denial’ in part from his diatribe:

    http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/iraq-syria-and-the-middle-east-an-essay-by-tony-blair/

    Once the regime changes, then out come pouring all the tensions – tribal, ethnic and of course above all religious; and the rebuilding of the country, with functioning institutions and systems of Government, becomes incredibly hard. The extremism de-stabilises the country, hinders the attempts at development, the sectarian divisions become even more acute and the result is the mess we see all over the region.

    So after invading Iraq, what measures where put in place to rebuild ‘with functioning institutions and systems of Iraq’s Government’?

    (Leaving aside the dictum ‘if you break it you own it’ for the moment.)

    1) Appoint a total cretin like Bremer who banned the Baathist party and disbanded the Army, 400,000 immediately without income and not happy campers (not Blair’s fault, poodle factor – even the Brits used Japanese soldiers for security after Japan’s surrender)
    2) Bremer the cretin again, ignoring the socialist economy, tries to privatise infrastructure and natural resources.
    2) In the meantime, stand by and watch while the nation’s treasures are looted.
    3) Allow the sectarian divisions to deepen by allowing/encouraging ethnic cleansing of Sunnis
    4) With Sunni political grievances largely unanswered, (exclusion and discrimination against Baathist party members for example irrespective of culpability under Saddam) create the circumstances for extremist groups to flock to Iraq.
    5) Spend the next 8 years fighting the extremists with ‘collateral damage’ among civilians reaching appalling levels, likely hundreds of thousands. Such extremist in such numbers having never existed before, especially in Iraq.
    6) When the ethnic cleansing was practically complete, tell the world it was the ‘surge’ that did it, ignore the underlying cauldron of hatred created among even moderate Sunnis
    7) Engineer the accession of a Sunni hater like Maliki to power.
    8) Prop up Maliki and help him smash even Shia rivals.
    9) Allow/turn a blind eye to torture centres, Abu Ghraib etc
    10) When it all goes belly up, withdraw, blame the Yanks, blame now the events in Syria creating ISIS ignoring the support of same by Saudi Arabia, who not incidently wanted to smash Saddam in the first place etc etc

    Tony Blair is one sick poodle.

  67. There appears to be conflagrations everywhere. LIbya is still screwed, we must recall, who knows what’s happening in Ukraine, and Iraq, well, that sad basket case of a country is screwed for a generation, probably more. And yet, there is talk of more of the same. These neocons really can’t learn a single thing. Obama has, true to his usual tactic, said something reasonable, then belied it instantly, perhaps under pressure from the militant wing of neocons. Air strikes already on the cards. I also read something about a tactical alliance with Iran, through the looking glass stuff there. And apparently Bliar will be on our screens soon, doubtless telling us what we must do. Prick. What he should do is STFU, but he won’t.

    “The BBC News this morning said that ISIS would not be capable of using the billions of dollars of sophisticated western armaments they have captured.”

    Ah, the beardy goat-molesting terrorist ignoramus meme. Well, they seem to have taken time of from goat-troubling, and defeated the Iraqi army, so I think the bbc might have got this one wrong, as usual. The amount of misinformation floating around, I just don’t bother these days. Blogs tell you more than well-funded media outlets, well some of them.

  68. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    15 Jun, 2014 - 2:03 am

    umm. yes. Ukraine seems to be slightly out-of-focus. mebbe someone can bring it back to the foreground. The rope-a-dope strategem seems to be a winner. Look over here, no here. So it goes. No one seems that interested, yet.

  69. Sofia Kibo Noh

    15 Jun, 2014 - 2:33 am

    Dad was in high spirits at 8 13pm when he was showing RD how grown-ups do debates and stuff.

    ”Which is a bit rich coming from the bitch who mindlessly cuts and pastes away the whole day and never ever responds to perfectly reasonable and pertinent questions.

    Ni discussion, no reasoning, no thought, no follow through.

    An ostrich bitch.”

    Who could take issue with such a calm and reasoned explanation?

    Impressed with his own brilliance he drained the last bottle and just managed to shake RD from his stupor before taking a well earned kip.

    So, the US wants to provoke a war with Russia over Ukraine.

    While there’s no doubt people will die in large numbers, what are the chances of success if they get their war?

    I feel there must be a pattern somewhere here if only I could make it out.

    “Lebanon: US wanted a new Middle-East.  Fail.

    Iraq: US wanted to built a client-state.  Fail.

    Afghanistan: US wanted to eliminate the Taliban.  Fail.

    Pakistan: US wanted to eliminate the Taliban. Fail.

    Syria: US wanted to regime-change Assad. Fail.

    Egypt: US wanted to create a client state. Fail.

    Libya: US wanted to create a client state. Fail.

    Chechnia: US wanted to subvert Russia and control the Caucaus. Fail.

    Georgia: US wanted to subvert Russia and control the Caucasus. Fail.

    KSA: US wanted an alliance with KSA over Syria. Fail

    Qatar: US wanted Qatari support over oil prices and Russia. Fail.

    Yemen: US wanted to destroy al-Qaeda. Fail.

    Somalia: 20 years ago the US wanted to take Somalia under control. Fail.”

    From http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.co.uk/

  70. BrianFujisan

    15 Jun, 2014 - 2:58 am

    Well said Sofia

    here too, is Abby reminding us of cia crimes over the years…just Some of an Endless List –

    Abby Martin goes over some of the Most outrageous CIA opperations around the world…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opyymMi50rk&feature=youtu.be

  71. IF you can lose your head when some of the British public about you,
    Were losing their loved ones in Iraq and blaming it on you,
    If you can trust yourself to fuck it up when some men doubted you to do that,
    But make no allowance for their doubting too;
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting for post prime ministership millions,
    Or being told the truth about yourself, but still deal in lies,
    Or being hated, give way to self-righteousness,
    And yet always wanting to look good, and talking gobbledygook.

    If you can dream of being Bush’s poodle – and make those dreams your master;
    If you can think of cheating- and getting Goldsmith to retract his opinion on unlawful war;
    If you can meet with Disaster and Disaster
    And treat those two impostors Bush and Cheney just the same with fawning sycophancy;
    If you can bear to hear the truth that others have spoken about you being a war criminal;
    Twisted as you were by false concoctions of WMD at 45 minutes notice to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to, GWOT and the lies on WMD, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools of even more self righteousness

    If you can bullshit political crowds and lose your virtue,
    Or walk with Kings of Wall Street and other US filthy rich – and lose the common touch,
    if all your foes and some loving friends are hurting you,
    If very few men count with you, excepting neo-cons, dictators and other warmongers;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of lies and further obfuscation run,
    Yours is not the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And – which is more – you’ll be Tony Blair, that bastard one!

    (Hat tip to Rudyard Kipling)

  72. On June 13, Bangkok-based geopolitical analyst and writer Tony Cartalucci in an article, entitled NATO’s Terror Hordes in Iraq a Pretext for Syria Invasion has cleared some of the fog surrounding the evildoers behind the so-called “ISIL Islamists”.

    “In actuality, ISIS is the product of a joint NATO-GCC conspiracy stretching back as far as 2007 where US-Saudi policymakers sought to ignite a region-wide sectarian war to purge the Middle East of Iran’s arch of influence stretching from its borders, across Syria and Iraq, and as far west as Lebanon and the coast of the Mediterranean. ISIS has been harbored, trained, armed, and extensively funded by a coalition of NATO and Persian Gulf states within Turkey’s (NATO territory) borders and has launched invasions into northern Syria with, at times, both Turkish artillery and air cover,” says Cartalucci.

    “The alleged territorial holdings of ISIS cross over both Syrian and Iraqi borders meaning that any campaign to eradicate them from Iraqi territory can easily spill over into Syria’s borders. And that is exactly the point. With ISIS having ravaged Mosul, Iraq near the Turkish border and moving south in a terror blitzkrieg now threatening the Iraqi capital of Baghdad itself, the Iraqi government is allegedly considering calling for US and/or NATO assistance to break the terror wave,” adds Cartalucci.

    The Jewish-controlled Western media is capitalizing on ISIS’ notorious brutality, including mass beheadings and hundreds of thousands of civilians fleeing before them, is part of anti-Muslim campaign to pave the way for the so-called “humanitarian intervention” in both Syria and Iraq to further Balkanize the Middle East for the evil interests of Israel.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/06/15/rouhani-iraqi-nation-is-capable-of-defending-itself/

  73. Ah dear, Tony Bliar has waded in, as we knew he would. I almost feel sorry for the guy, he’s evidently in need of professional help. His ‘contribution’, however, is from the standard neocon play book. We did nothing wrong. Everything is as it should be. Nobody made a mistake, nobody resigns and nobody gets fired. Go back to bed, world.

    I’ve yet to see a single neocon change his\her mind about the invasion. The facts speak for themselves, but still every neocon sticks by their position. I’ve no explanation for this, other than perhaps they have been advised to hold the line by their expensive lawyers. Or, they are scared of retribution …

    Personally I think The Guardian should stop giving Bliar air-time, but that’s not going to happen.

  74. The BBC have put Blair at the top of their home page.

    LATEST:Blair: ‘We didn’t cause Iraq crisis’
    The 2003 invasion of Iraq is not to blame for the current crisis in the country, which is the “predictable” result of western inaction in Syria, Tony Blair says.
    US deploys warship amid Iraq crisis UK offers £3m for Iraq aid effort Iraq crisis: Reporters’ round-up Deal over Bush-Blair Iraq documents MPs’ vote halts UK action over Syria
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27852832

    The accompanying photo, taken in 2006, has the pair in quizzical mode with Bush slightly out of focus. Is that supposed to imply that he’s the Wicked Witch and the clear eyed and staring BLiar the Goody Two Shoes?
    https://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75532000/jpg/_75532640_75532639.jpg

  75. From an interview with the late Clarissa Dickson Wright.

    ‘It’s not just her own private life up for grabs. Clarissa’s time at the Bar overlapped with that of several prominent New Labourites, and she’ll discusses their escapades with equal gusto: ‘Cherie Blair was clever but desperately needy and always jumping on Derry Irvine.’ I wince. ‘Actually, Derry Irvine was quite a sexy guy back then,’ says Clarissa. ‘He radiated intelligence.’ And then there’s Tony Blair. ‘He was a few years younger than me but I remember him well. He was very glib, a chancer and, you know, he wasn’t really respected by anyone of my generation. Everybody used to say, it’s just as well he’s going into politics because he’ll never succeed at the Bar. We used to call him Miranda.’ Because he was wet? ‘No, no, he wasn’t called Miranda because he was wet, ducky!’ Clarissa guffaws impatiently. ‘Remember that scene in The Tempest when Miranda sees the sailors? Well then. He got on conspicuously well with all the male junior clerks. Everybody knew it.’ But he’s married now, I say. ‘So are a lot of people.’’

    Perhaps Resident Dissident in his little swipe at me above, and referring to Clochemerle, was subconsciously thinking of the stories that circulated about Blair’s activities in his early years in such a place in London

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/143476/im-a-pinup-for-scottish-pensioners/

  76. We have to liberate ourselves from the notion that ‘we’ have caused this, might think Tony Blair is not a war criminal.

    Fixed.

    Mary I think Bush being out of focus in that pic simply reflected the need for Tony to look more intelligent and stern while in the company of a cowboy idiot.

    Better suggestion than Blair’s: To recover some moral authority towards the ME, either Tony Blair surrenders to the ICC with handwritten confession OR he be allowed to exercise the courage of his ‘use force’ convictions and is parachuted into Mosul as the advance party of further (Coalition of Unrepresentative Swill) military action.

  77. BLiar is of course the Quartet Peace Envoy which is a great irony in the light of his recent outpourings for more war.

    Has he ever left his luxury hotel suite in Jerusalem and been into a Palestinian home and spoken with the members of the family? Would he have ever met this gentleman? Probably not.

    ‘ON RADIO 4 TODAY, SUNDAY, 15 JUNE 2014 AT 11.15 AM
    Raja Shehadeh
    Kirsty Young’s castaway this week is the Palestinian author and human rights activist, Raja Shehadeh.

    Born in Ramallah in the West Bank, his life and writing has been dominated by displacement, struggle and a search for justice. His father was murdered in 1985 and aside from chronicling the unhappy history of his family and his homeland, he’s also co-founded the Palestinian human rights organisation Al-Haq – which monitors and documents violations by all sides in the Middle East conflict, publishing reports and detailed legal analysis on its findings.

    Amid the heavy weight of his work he somehow finds time to nurture a glorious garden growing grapevines and pomegranates.

    He says of his work, “When you write your thoughts and feelings and emotions … then you can move on to new ones. Otherwise, they will keep rotating in your mind and you will go in circles”.’

    The use of the word ‘conflict’ irritates. There is an Occupier oppressing the Occupied. Just like the word ‘intervention’ is used by the corporate media instead of ‘offensive war and invasion’.

  78. Quite so Peter Kemp but he is protected in many ways and by many people.

    I liked your version of ‘If’.

    Thatcher liked to quote it. So did old Dan Maskell in his commentating at that relic of the British Empire, the All England Croquet and Lawn Tennis Club, where the poem is displayed on a plaque over the entrance to Centre Court.

  79. The Marr blurb is still not saying BLiar is on.

    ’15/06/2014 9am
    Image for 15/06/2014Not currently available on BBC iPlayer
    Duration: 1 hour

    Andrew Marr is joined by key political personalities and cultural figures to discuss topical politics, current affairs and the arts. His guests include culture secretary Sajid Javid, former home secretary and member of the Better Together campaign John Reid, and actress Kathleen Turner. Victoria Newton, editor of the Sun on Sunday, and Mark Kermode, author and film critic, review the newspapers.’

  80. Protected he is, Mary, more’s the pity. (O Tempora, O Mores, O Shit we can forgive Cicero for leaving out Tony Blair)

    Having said that, some Shakespeare in a predictive context springs to mind:

    Nothing in his life
    Became him like the leaving it.

  81. I just cant get excited about a sporting event that a government has spent millions funding yet people live in squalor and deprivation. Where drugs are rife and life expectation is very low.

    But enough of the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow, the World Cup has started.

  82. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 8:57 am

    From Jives (the Creature of the Night)

    “Although i made a joke of it earlier i immediately sensed the ‘story’ reeks of shite.”
    _________________

    Yeah, sure, Jonathan.

    First you believe the story and get very excited.

    Then you read some bit of shite from far away Califiorniay and change your mind.

    And finally you tell us you “immediately sensed” the story was untrue.

    Funny way of showing it, eh, Jives?

    Grown up persons aren’t afraid to admit they make mistakes, Jonathan.

    ********************

    La vita é bella, life is good!

  83. What the swill of the corporate media omits in its reporting on Ukraine.

    ‘At Chernobyl, a compendium of more than 5,000 studies has yielded an estimated death toll of more than 1,000,000 people.

    The radiation effects on youngsters in downwind Belarus and Ukraine have been horrific. According to Mangano, some 80 percent of the “Children of Chernobyl” born downwind since the accident have been harmed by a wide range of impacts ranging from birth defects and thyroid cancer to long-term heart, respiratory and mental illnesses. The findings mean that just one in five young downwinders can be termed healthy.

    Physicians for Social Responsibility and the German chapter of the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War have warned of parallel problems near Fukushima.’

    Fukushima’s Children are Dying
    http://ecowatch.com/2014/06/14/fukushima-children-dying/

    There is another time bomb waiting to explode in Iraq following the use of depleted uranium tipped ammunition on a large scale. It’s in the dust and the air when the desert storms arise and now in the thyroids and lungs of the children and of the women of childbearing age and in their husbands’ zoosperm to terrible effect.

    In fact all of us are vulnerable as the winds carry the evil poison around the planet.

  84. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 9:08 am

    Mary

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella! { Mary Just to tell you that I do like reading your posts about animals and nature generally…. } – Jun 13, 9:01 PM The General Discussion”
    ____________________

    No schizophrenia anywhere, Mary. Your writings about nature and animals are evocative, sometimes moving and welcome (except when you’re trying to make a narrow political point – which isn’t usually the case). Perhaps you just go into off the wall mode when you write about politics, society and so on. Or perhaps you’re less of a pain in real life than you are in this virtual world – I’m informed that this is often the case. Opinions welcome.

  85. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 9:20 am

    Resident Dissident

    ““I came against this interesting website:”

    Nah – I don’t think so

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca
    _____________________

    I just wanted to thank you for posting that source – I wasn’t aware of the existence of this thing called “rationalwiki”.

    Anyway, as readers will know, I have long harboured doubts (to remain polite)about this “Global Research” outfit – these doubts triggered by its excessively pretentious title and then by the fact that it was often given as a source by sundry crazies on CM.

    I am pleased to note that my doubts about “Global Research” and its leader (its one and only leader, it seems) “Professor” Michel Chussodovski are amply confirmed by what I read on “rationalwiki”.

    I must go there (to “rationalwiki” more often and the said sundry crazies should go to “Global Research” less.

  86. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 Jun, 2014 - 9:33 am

    I loved that pastiche by “Peter Kemp” at 03h44 this morning. A rival to our resident pasticher, the Celtic trans-gender leprechaun, has emerged and that’s good because competition is good.

    More generally, I note that this last night was “enriched” by a peculiarly large number of Eminences and others. They couldn’t all have beeen doing the night shift like Jives, could they. Was there a full moon last night by any chance?

  87. Peter Kemp. 3 44am

    Great reworking of “IF”.

    May Bliar have a long life, always aware of the harm he’s inflicted and the contempt in which he’s held by millions and always looking over his shoulder for the citizen’s arrest that succeeds.

    My bet is when he finally goes to meet Old Nick the street partys will dwarf Thatcher’s.

    In the meantime my wish is for him to answer in court for his crimes before being sent to Fallujah for an extended sentence of community service. That way, he’ll have to look into the eyes of some of the people whose lives he has blighted.

    Brian. 2 58am

    Thanks for the clip. Abby just scratches the surface with her list of shame.

    Maybe she should run a series. My favourites would be the thirty plus attempts to assassinate Castro. These included exploding wetsuits, exploding cigars, exploding clamshells, powder in his shoes to make his hair fall out, (so that Cubans would rise up chanting “No vamos a ser gobernados por un hombre que se parece a William Hague!”) and trying to make it appear as if Armaggedon had come…. with Jesus descending from Heaven.

    Too bad they blackmailed Mr Bean and the Wily Coyote and forced them to think up dumb schemes for them.

  88. BLiar was speaking from somewhere hot in a garden with palm trees in the background and an ornate wall behind him. He spoke at 15 to the dozen with those damnable hand gestures evident. I feel, having heard and seen the paramount psychopath this morning, that with luck he is hanging himself.

    An appalling apecimen of our species.

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/.58976/tony-blair-iraq-chaos-is-not-my-fault

    Marr of course has memory loss.

    ‘On April 9, 2003, as Baghdad superficially fell to the illegal US-UK invasion, Marr lauded Blair’s great triumph on the main BBC evening news:

    “Frankly, the main mood [in Downing Street] is of unbridled relief. I’ve been watching ministers wander around with smiles like split watermelons.”

    Marr delivered this news with his own watermelon smile. He continued:

    “Well, I think this does one thing – it draws a line under what, before the war, had been a period of… well, a faint air of pointlessness, almost, was hanging over Downing Street. There were all these slightly tawdry arguments and scandals. That is now history. Mr Blair is well aware that all his critics out there in the party and beyond aren’t going to thank him – because they’re only human – for being right when they’ve been wrong. And he knows that there might be trouble ahead, as I said. But I think this is very, very important for him. It gives him a new freedom and a new self-confidence. He confronted many critics.

    “I don’t think anybody after this is going to be able to say of Tony Blair that he’s somebody who is driven by the drift of public opinion, or focus groups, or opinion polls. He took all of those on. He said that they would be able to take Baghdad without a bloodbath, and that in the end the Iraqis would be celebrating. And on both of those points he has been proved conclusively right. And it would be entirely ungracious, even for his critics, not to acknowledge that tonight he stands as a larger man and a stronger prime minister as a result.” (Marr, BBC 1, News At Ten, April 9, 2003)’

    http://www.medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2010/15-a-journey-unchallenged-andrew-marr-interviews-tony-blair.html

    and of course we won’t mention Aaronovitch and Cohen’s part in the propaganda for that bloody war.

  89. Resident Dissident

    15 Jun, 2014 - 10:00 am

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/06/deadly-fiasco/#comment-461357

    Mary many thanks for demonstrating my point so quickly.

  90. Considering all the garbage from the neocon rational wiki as opposed to the real investigative journalism of GlobalResearch it does not surprise me that it has attracted followers like Resident Dissident and Habbabkuk. I came across this doing a search.

    http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/RationalWiki

    If you want your brain full of it read on. It’s produced by idiots for idiots. And they take the bait.

  91. @ http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/06/deadly-fiasco/#comment-461368

    I would prefer not to have my character and personality discussed by somebody who is a stranger and who is not a friend nor who knows me.

    Off out to breathe some clean (and hopefully not radioactive) air after that BLiar fest

  92. In the meantime my wish is for him to answer in court for his crimes before being sent to Fallujah for an extended sentence of community service. That way, he’ll have to look into the eyes of some of the people whose lives he has blighted.

    Indeed Mary, but even extended for 10K years of CS, Bliar will never have atoned for what he did.

    As for our own Little Johnny Howard, “Ratty” to his mates, more or less the same but I really regret that history cheated us, Howard was not with Bush when that Iraqi threw his shoes at a press conference, Bush ducking and Howard (“Deputy Sheriff”) might have copped it right in the middle of his bushy eyebrows. More than half of Australia and all of New Zealand would have ROFL. (As it was I think most of the ME had a victory in the humiliation of GWB that day, a humiliation not fully appreciated in the West within the Islamic/cultural context of feet/shoe throwing.)

  93. Meantime Maliki appears to have disgraced himself yet again, driving whatever remaining Sunnis in the Iraqi army or security services into the arms of extremists:

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iraq-isis-crisis-pm-announces-death-penalty-deserting-troops-1452703

    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has announced that the troops will face the death penalty if they fail to fight the advancing Sunni militants in the country.

  94. Sofia
    “My bet is when he finally goes to meet Old Nick the street partys will dwarf Thatcher’s.”

    1/ They have been on first name terms for a very long time
    2/ Thatcher was coining in the millions for Mark because she believed in the stuff. Blair has to have all this money in order to mix with the gangster/ruler class whose games he played, in order to watch his back.

    We eat the daily political garbage given to us by the lying neo-cons like hungry pigs. So we really have to sympathise with Blair for having been taken in by the stuff. Free food is usually contaminated and eventually makes your balls drop off. Or whatever is the female equivalent, maybe puts balls on?

    Either way, I don’t agree with you that Blair is a true blue neo-con like MaggOTy. I am coming to the conclusion that USUKIS have set up ISIS together with their best religious mates in Iran. Daish like dosh, so plenty of dosh in the bank in Mosul for them. Plenty of tools of the trade, Humvees. Shi’a Honey trap.
    ISIS are off CIA Qaida message. So they are probably going to be reminded by USUKISIRAN who’s boss.

    By talking like this I can actually see directly behind my back with one eye and straight in front with the other. Great. I’m not going to give up my swivel-eye spectacles for anyone.

    The sentence of mine that Craig was forced by his masters to delete above went thus: ‘Everyone is entitled to their moment of idealism, but the world is actually controlled by Zionist banksters, so that moment of hope for peace and reconciliation is always eluding us.’

    As to Obama being tired, repeat of the 9/11 face on Bush?

  95. RD Why don’t you get one of those spiritualists in and get them to put you in contact with the late departed and much missed Clarissa to confirm what she said. Alternately you could read her biography which contains the same information.

    This is an extract of it ‘Confessions of One Fat Lady’ which contains the same information.

    And as I said to Anon the other day, do one, why don’t you.

    ~~

    Have just come inside as it’s raining and who should be on with Andrew Neil’s Sunday Politics but Mark Urban giving it large on Iraq and all the dangers facing the Western world. It is always the same cast of warmongers but on different programmes of the propahanda machine.

    Then followed another excerpt of the BLiar interview for extra emphasis, followed by Mark Lyall Brown, ex Brown FCO minister, James Rubin, Amanpour’s husband and neocon ex Bush Ambassador to Iraq, Afghanistan and the UN, and a Ms Rahman from the Kurdistan Regional Government. The latter has extensive assistance from Israel.

  96. Mary

    Thanks for your mention of Chernobyl re Ukraine.
    Grass in Wales remained contaminated for years. Iraqis under Saddam remained oblivious to the concept of radiation from our weaponry until recently.

    Re: Fukushima, the pollution if affecting the US West Coast marine life and must be affecting the whole of Japan as well.

    I believe there is a cultural difference between Japan, where a disgraced leader will commit suicide and China where there will be a massive cover-up. Japanese engineers must have asked the question what would happen if a wave flooded the cooling pumps and whoever in power ignored the question is now too ashamed to take action over the radiation.

    The Chinese are not so disabled by a culture of shame. They would have taken action, and covered-the scandal up, in my opinion.

    The UK culture is more akin to the Japanese, bottling it up, than the Chinese, covering it up. This Tory governments only strategy for UK energy is to build nuclear power stations. It’s not a good idea, even if it’s the Chinese who’re going to build them.

    The insanity of fracking in the UK and the risk of polluting our water, demonstrates that ‘Nuclear’ and ‘Tory’ don’t mix, because the Tories always shunt the risks aside with their dreams of profits. UK Energy strategy is going to have to change after the Tories are kicked out at the election-FAST.

  97. Peter Kemp

    How can a Zombie talk about a death penalty. He should tell them they will be re-incarnated like him as walking dead.

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