Deadly Fiasco

by craig on June 13, 2014 11:18 am in Uncategorized

The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation. The idea that further western bombing will make things better is so deluded as to beggar belief.

I was surprised to find during my Burnes research that the imperialist powers of Britain and Russia were explicitly exploiting Sunni and Shia divisions to further their conquests of Islamic lands as early as the 1830’s. This has been the major tool of the neo-con Middle Eastern gameplan for some time, spreading disunity and crippling war throughout the Middle East, with the hope that this will benefit the interests of Israel.

The peculiar result has been that in general the West is very actively supporting Sunni armies and miscellaneous forces, but in Iraq is supporting the Shia. ISIS – which is heavily backed by the Saudis, who hate al-Maliki – brings this paradox into sharp relief. The current US and UK strategy is to persuade Saudi Arabia to get ISIS to reconcentrate their efforts against Assad, on the understanding they will be allowed to keep the Sunni areas of Iraq (the old neo-con plan of dividing Iraq is firmly back on the agenda).

The BBC News this morning said that ISIS would not be capable of using the billions of dollars of sophisticated western armaments they have captured. I think you will find the Saudis remedy that one quite quickly. It is quite possible we will see some token airstrikes to kill civilians in Mosul, in order to appease Obama’s domestic backers who are never happy if Americans aren’t killing enough people, but only after agreement has been reached with the Saudis that no serious harm will be done – except to the ordinary people neither Obama, the Saudis or al-Maliki care in the least about.

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  1. @Technicolor: LOL! To be delivered with a “John Fortune” voice…


    17 Jun, 2014 - 2:32 am

    The fog of war sometimes lifts a little so some sunshine gets through.

    ” Not only has Poland been complicit in training urban terrorists in the run-up to the EuroMaidan chaos, but it has also sent loads of mercenaries to forcibly put down the anti-coup protesters rising up against the junta. Now, photographic proof linking Poland to the Ukrainian madness has arisen. “

  3. “In order for this Neo-conservative (mostly Jewish) strategy – to turn Israel into a world power not dependent on fickle of the US for its survival – to work, it is obvious that Iran has to be substantially weakened. Enter the latest Israeli noises that sound like an ultimatum to the US and the world to denuclearize Iran or else,” wrote Thomas Mysiewicz on October 2, 2005.

    Now many Americans are waking up to the reality that like September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks the war on Afghanistan and Iraq was part of western powers agenda to destroy regional regimes which are considered threat to Israel.

  4. A bit late but to go back to Craig’s original posting:

    “The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation.”

    Craig is usually a more clear sighted and even handed than this. Just because we loathe Blair and Bush for what they did and the reasons they did it, doesn’t mean we need to automatically ignore the sins of anybody on the opposite side. Beheadings, summary executions of prisoners, suicide bombings specifically aimed at civilian targets, religious law used to further their own business or political aims, utter disregard for the well-being of civilians (particularly women) in areas under their control. The murderous and, it must be said, savage tendencies of many of the home-grown players in the various middle-east conflicts must also be blamed for denying the people who live in these regions any kind of peace or stability in which they may build a better life for themselves.

  5. A rummage through the memory hole, for some more half-forgotten background on Iraq.

    I knew about Rumsfeld delivering maps and satellite imagery to Saddam for him to target Iranian forces inside Iran with chemical/biological weapons, largely from Britnat George Galloway’s theatrics before some farcical US ‘inquiry’. It seems that Saddam had mustard gas and nerve agent capabilities as early as 1984, and used them freely. How he obtained these capabilities, for artillery shell and air-launched delivery is still unclear. (from 2002)

    Just 12 days after the meeting, on January 1, 1984, The Washington Post reported that the United States in a shift in policy, has informed friendly Persian Gulf nations that the defeat of Iraq in the 3-year-old war with Iran would be contrary to U.S. interests and has made several moves to prevent that result.

    In March of 1984, with the Iran-Iraq war growing more brutal by the day, Rumsfeld was back in Baghdad for meetings with then-Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz. On the day of his visit, March 24th, UPI reported from the United Nations: Mustard gas laced with a nerve agent has been used on Iranian soldiers in the 43-month Persian Gulf War between Iran and Iraq, a team of U.N. experts has concluded… Meanwhile, in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad, U.S. presidential envoy Donald Rumsfeld held talks with Foreign Minister Tarek Aziz (sic) on the Gulf war before leaving for an unspecified destination.

    The day before, the Iranian news agency alleged that Iraq launched another chemical weapons assault on the southern battlefront, injuring 600 Iranian soldiers. Chemical weapons in the form of aerial bombs have been used in the areas inspected in Iran by the specialists, the U.N. report said. The types of chemical agents used were bis-(2-chlorethyl)-sulfide, also known as mustard gas, and ethyl N, N-dimethylphosphoroamidocyanidate, a nerve agent known as Tabun.

    Prior to the release of the UN report, the US State Department on March 5th had issued a statement saying available evidence indicates that Iraq has used lethal chemical weapons.

    Even more astonishing is that Kuwait moved their border during the Iran-Iraq war (Iran were the home team, Iraq was playing away), not just shifting the border fence a few feet during the night, by annexed 900 square kilometres, growing Kuwait northwards into Iraq, and it was only by this means they could slant drill into the Rumalia oilfield. And amongst Saddam’s major creditors after the Iran-Iraq war were Saudi Arabia and …Kuwait, $80 billon, with interest and they were pressing for payment. Who knew that Kuwait invaded Iraq first, and how did they do it -practically and diplomatically; where were the UN? Without a murmur from the west. Even with what we know now it’s still an astonishing fact. (from 2003, link found on medialens board)

    In the United States of America, it is almost beyond the bounds of acceptable discourse to address the question, why did Saddam Hussein invade Kuwait in 1990? Even to ask the question, one risks the appearance of supporting a repressive dictatorship, and to the extent that the question is entertained at all, the simplistic answer proffered by political leaders is that Saddam Hussein is an aggressive tyrant, bent on territorial acquisition and the subjugation of other nations. He is a modern day Hitler. The same answer is utilized to explain why Iraq invaded Iran in 1980. […]

    The war with Iran left Iraq in ruins. When Saddam Hussein launched his eight year war against Iran, Iraq had $40 billion in hard currency reserves. But by the end of the war, his nation was $80 billion in debt. Iraq was pressed to repay the $80 billion to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, with interest. While Iraq was distracted by its war, Kuwait had accumulated 900 square miles of Iraqi territory by advancing its border with Iraq northward. This was presented to Iraq as a fait accompli and it gave Kuwait access to the Rumaila oil field. The Kuwaiti Sheik had purchased the Santa Fe Drilling Corporation of Alhambra, California, for $2.3 billion and proceeded to use its slant drilling equipment to gain access to the Iraqi oil field.

  6. Herbie (17 Jun, 2014 – 12:47 am) scribbled:

    The marketing of the Blairs was based very much on the Clintons, a clever husband and wife team that you suspected ran the country together, from their bedroom, passion and refection in equal measure, all real feeling human beings.

    That’s how it began…

    The Margaret Cook article concerning Robin Cook, linked up thread, shows that Cherie Blair was most active in strong-arming and coercing Labour MPs resistant to letting party whips do their thinking for them, probably on anything generally, but on Iraq in particular, such recalcitrants were subject to a smarm offensive by T. Blair’s Learned Consort (no, not Falconer or Irvine, Cherie).

  7. Presumably the report that the US embassy was to be evacuated was incorrect.

    US deploys Iraq ‘military personnel’ Up to 275 US “military personnel” are to be sent to Iraq to provide support for the US embassy in Baghdad, the White House says.

    Wow and no boots on the ground! Three US Navy ships have assembled in the Gulf and those are the three we are told about.

    Last December the US supplied drones and Hellfire missiles supposedly ‘to Maliki’. The whole business gets murkier by the day.

    ‘Washington (CNN) — Two years after bringing home U.S. troops from Iraq, the Obama administration is sending Hellfire rockets and ScanEagle surveillance drones to help government forces fight al Qaeda affiliates growing in influence, a State Department official confirmed to CNN on Thursday.

    As first reported by The New York Times, a shipment of 75 Hellfire rockets bought by Iraq arrived last week. Plans call for 10 ScanEagle drones to be sent in the early months of 2014.

    “The recent delivery of Hellfire missiles and an upcoming delivery of ScanEagles are standard FMS (foreign military sales) cases that we have with Iraq to strengthen their capabilities to combat this threat,” the State Department official said on condition of not being identified. “We remain committed to supporting the government of Iraq in meeting its defense needs in the face of these challenges.”‘

    You can guess that there has been a good number of American operatives/contractors remained there since America ‘withdrew’ in 2012.

  8. Meanwhile the terror continues for the Palestinian people. Note the presence of the German Shepherd in the photo of the IDF. Muslim people do not like dogs as a general rule and are actually afraid of them. The woofer is there to create a little extra terrrrr. In another video I saw last night, the IDF had placed charges on a door which, when they exploded, injured the family inside the house including a three year old child. What charmers the Occupiers are.

    Palestinian Speaker Held Over Missing Israelis
    Aziz Dweik, a Hamas member of the Palestinian parliament, is among 40 detained overnight over an alleged kidnapping.

    I have said before that our riot police let their dogs menace the crowd of protesters outside the Israeli Embassy in London in 2009 following Cast Lead. In the crowd were many young Muslims. Many were arrested, charged and sentenced, some to jail. They were actually ‘kettled’ and provoked. I saw it happen as I was there too. I saw dozens of police vans which were parked up in the side streets, suddenly unload their occupants all at once. It was very frightening. Police helicopters were flying overhead. That was in the time of Brown and Jacqui ‘Jackboots’ Smith, Home Secretary.

    She is often on Sky News reviewing the papers, sometimes in the company of Ian Blair, ex Met CC. They chuckle away with one another, very pleased with themselves and life.

    I see that in spite of her expenses scandal (she never had to repay any money incidentally), she landed a top post at Birmingham’s QEII Hospital. Her type always find niches.

    ‘She is to take over as Chair of University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust in December 2013. [62]’ Incredible.

    That’s the hospital that treated Malala (used for anti-Taliban propaganda) and where the injured troops were sent back from Afghanistan to a special high tech military unit within the hospital itself.

    Read the comments under the Birminggam Post article link 62. People are disgusted by her.

  9. Another report from Sky plus a video on the IDF activity in Hebron and the ‘West Bank’ as the remnant of Palestine is referred to. The BBC do NOT provide this on the spot reporting which comes across as pretty fair minded.

    Israeli Arrests Risk Sparking Fresh Violence
    Sky’s Tom Rayner says Israel sees a political opportunity as it detains Hamas officials over the disappearance of three teens.

  10. BrianFujisan

    17 Jun, 2014 - 7:20 am

    David @ 4;03 Am

    “Just because we loathe Blair and Bush for what they did and the reasons they did it, doesn’t mean we need to automatically ignore the sins of anybody on the opposite side. Beheadings, summary executions of prisoners, suicide bombings specifically aimed at civilian targets,”

    It’s Important to remember it was Bush, Bliar that caused most of these horrors… and not forgetting the vast terrorist crimes of Shock and Awe…What a Phrase that is.

    And Also Not to Forget the use of illegal weapons ( DU ) and god knows what else in attempted genocide of some areas Fallujah for examlpe

    “The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation.”

    AND 100% Lies –

    Fresh evidence has been revealed about how MI6 and the CIA were told through secret channels by Saddam Hussein’s foreign minister and his head of intelligence that Iraq had no active weapons of mass destruction.

    Tony Blair told parliament before the war that intelligence showed Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programme was “active”, “growing” and “up and running”.

    A special BBC Panorama programme aired on Monday night details how British and US intelligence agencies were informed by top sources months before the invasion that Iraq had no active WMD programme, and that the information was not passed to subsequent inquiries.

    It describes how Naji Sabri, Saddam’s foreign minister, told the CIA’s station chief in Paris at the time, Bill Murray, through an intermediary that Iraq had “virtually nothing” in terms of WMD.

    Sabri said in a statement that the Panorama story was “totally fabricated”.

    However, Panorama confirms that three months before the war an MI6 officer met Iraq’s head of intelligence, Tahir Habbush al-Tikriti, who also said that Saddam had no active WMD. The meeting in the Jordanian capital, Amman, took place days before the British government published its now widely discredited Iraqi weapons dossier in September 2002

    Then We have bastards like these –

    ” I just don’t get it. Today when we should be hearing from Juan Cole and John Mearsheimer, leading intellectuals who were right about the Iraq war to begin with, the New York Times has chosen to run a fawning profile of neoconservative Robert Kagan. Some of this reads like the Onion:

    And who better to lead a cast of assorted hawks back into intellectual — and they hope eventually political — influence than the congenial and well-respected scion of one of America’s first families of interventionism?

    His father, Donald Kagan, a historian of ancient Greece, is a patriarch of neoconservatism. His brother, Fred… etc

    Jason Horowitz’s profile uses as its peg a “a much-discussed essay” by Kagan in The New Republic called “Superpowers don’t get to retire.” Yes; neither do neoconservatives. Horowitz allows Kagan to both evade the neoconservative label (he prefers “liberal interventionist,” of course) and predict that Hillary Clinton would have a “neocon” foreign policy. Probably right about that.

    The piece justifies itself on gossipy grounds because Kagan is part of a power couple (Victoria Nuland at the State Department). But the real power couple here is Kagan and Bill Kristol, leaders of the de-funct/bunked Project for a New American Century, which pushed a muscular foreign policy all over, including the catastrophic invasion of Iraq.

    Horowitz informs us that they have now been vindicated:

    Mr. Kristol said he, too, sensed “more willingness to rethink” neoconservatism, which he called “vindicated to some degree” by the fruits of Mr. Obama’s detached approach to Syria and Eastern Europe.

    Horowitz fails to reflect any criticism of Kagan from the powerful coalition that neoconservatives fostered in opposition to its adventures: leftwingers and realists. Andrew Bacevich embodies this combination, and last week published an inspired attack on Kagan at Commonweal, saying that his essay is based on a “fictive past.”

    Bacevich summarizes Kagan:

    “If a breakdown in the world order that America made is occurring,” Kagan writes, “it is not because America’s power is declining.” The United States has power to spare, asserts the author of The World America Made. No, what we have here is “an intellectual problem, a question of identity and purpose.” Feckless, silly Americans, with weak-willed Barack Obama their enabler, are abdicating their obligation to lead the planet. The abyss beckons.

    Writing in the New York Times, columnist David Brooks hails Kagan’s New Republic essay as “brilliant.” A more accurate appraisal would be slickly mendacious. Still, Kagan’s essay also qualifies as instructive: Here in some 12,700 carefully polished words the impoverished state of foreign-policy discourse is laid bare. If the problem hobbling U. S. policy is an intellectual one, then Kagan himself, purveyor of a fictive past, exhibits that problem in spades….

    Bacevich points out that the great world order that Kagan adores was actually three spheres of self-interested powers. And– notice the reliance on leftwing thinking– the U.S. sphere was hardly enlightened:

    much like the Soviets in Eastern Europe, Washington asserted the prerogative of policing its own sphere of influence. When it did so—overthrowing regimes not to its liking in Guatemala, Iran, and South Vietnam, for example—the “promotion of a liberal world order” did not rank high in the list of American motives.

    So too with the roster of despots, dictators, and kleptocrats that the United States assiduously supported. From Batista and Somoza in the 1950s to Musharraf and Mubarak in the past decade, a regime’s adherence to liberal values seldom determined whether or not it was deemed a worthy American ally.

    Such matters do not qualify for inclusion in Kagan’s celebration of American global leadership, however. Guatemala he simply ignores…

    Notice Bacevich’s focus on ethnic cleansing in Palestine and on genocides in the American sphere of influence. Again, left-realism:

    Other disruptions to a “world order” ostensibly founded on the principle of American “global responsibility” included the 1947 partition of India (estimated 500,000 to one million dead); the 1948 displacement of Palestinians (700,000 refugees); the exodus of Vietnamese from north to south in 1954 (between 600,000 and one million fled); the flight of the pied noir from Algeria (800,000 exiled); the deaths resulting directly from Mao Tse Tung’s quest for utopia (between 2 million and 5 million); the mass murder of Indonesians during the anti-Communist purges of the mid-1960s (500,000 slaughtered); the partition of Pakistan in 1971 (up to 3 million killed; millions more displaced); genocide in Cambodia (1.7 million dead); and war between Iran and Iraq (at least more 400,00 killed). Did I mention civil wars in Nigeria, Uganda, Burundi, Ethiopia, Mozambique, Sudan, Congo, Liberia, and Sierra Leone that killed millions? The list goes on.

    Kagan mentions none of those episodes. Yet all occurred during the Cold War, when the United States was, in his words, “vigilant and ready to act, with force, anywhere in the world.”

    More from these Lunatics… Kagan n Co @

  11. BrianFujisan

    17 Jun, 2014 - 7:34 am

    Shit, i think i got that Guardian link Broken..try again

  12. BrianFujisan,

    I’m not disputing all that. I’m just saying it’s not the whole story and it certainly doesn’t make the Islamist lunatics into good guys.

  13. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 7:50 am

    From Technicolour

    “and I have noticed an increasing lack of focus (can you have an increasing lack of focus?) on Jewish connections, about which I am quite happy (understatement).”

    Yes indeed, and if you weren’t such a grudging so-and-so you could have paid tribute to my substantial contribution to bringing this about.

    Fair’s fair, eh! :)

  14. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 7:58 am

    From faraway Californiyeah:

    ” Not only has Poland been complicit in training urban terrorists in the run-up to the EuroMaidan chaos, but it has also sent loads of mercenaries to forcibly put down the anti-coup protesters rising up against the junta. Now, photographic proof linking Poland to the Ukrainian madness has arisen. “

    The search for new “devils” is obviously on, now that the old “neo-Nazis in Kiev” lie has run out of puff following the poor showing of the neo-Nazis in the recent Presidential election.

    The real fascists and their supporters on here (no names, no pack drill, eh, Ben!) are SUCH bad “losers”…..:)


    and now buzz off, you’re stoned again.

  15. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 8:15 am

    “The fog of war sometimes lifts a little so some sunshine gets through.

    As regular readers know, I always take links extremely seriously – that is, in the sense of looking into them as best as I can to get some sense of their likely credibility.

    I recommend readers to check out “Voltaire Net” for themselves, and I wish them better luck than I had in finding out very much about it (organisational structure, editorial policy, who are the people “in charge” and what is their precise role, how are they financed, even where it is based).

    It seems to be even more opaque on the above respects than our old friend “Global Research” (and much, much more opaque than Counterpunch).

    Like with “Global Research”, one of the few things we are allowed to know is who founded and runs it. This is someone called Thierry Meyssan, a middle-aged Frenchman. I invite readers to read his biography on Wikipedia, where they will learn – inter alia – that he is the author of “The Big Lie”, one of the better-known 9/11 conspiracy theories. He also believes that the Beslan massacre was a put-up job by the CIA.

    Not surprising that someone who claims that 9/11 was a conspiracy should also believe that Ukraine is also overrun by Little Green Men, aka “Polish mercenaries”.


    La vita è bella, life is crazy!

  16. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 8:24 am

    Actually, the Poles have always had a bad press in Russia.

    In the last century, they were portrayed as capitalist bloodsuckers at the time of the Polish-Russian War (1920) and during the Great Terror on the 1930s it was quite the thing to add “spying for Polish intelligence” to the charge sheets of sundry victims.

    And I did notice that the anti-Polish article on “Voltairenet” to which California Ben linked was written by…..a Russian :)

  17. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 8:25 am

    A Moscow-based Russian, to boot.

  18. @Tony. Only now are we appreciating the extent to which we have been lied to since our government, with the US government decided that Saddam was the enemy. Robin Cook was better informed than us and would have been aware of the hypocrisy. I knew that Kuwait was using angular drilling through various media sources, but didn’t know that they had extended their borders to make this possible.

    I used to, very naively, assume that the sequence of events presented by our media must be correct, otherwise the other side would refute that story also via our media. Quite shocking for me to have to accept that our media are controlled.

  19. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 9:00 am

    Is Blair being set up to take a fall.

    It’s hard to see how anyone could destroy his credibility as efficiently as he does himself. I don’t think anyone needs to set him up: the evidence, barring the details of his convoluted finances, is abundant.

    Mainstream media coverage of him over the past few years has been very negative, including highlighting his dosh, and the peeps increasingly encouraged to bay at him at will.

    Not enhanced by the Wendi Deng business, eh? I think Murdoch has an interest in taking him down a peg, and the other Tory outlets really don’t want Blair attracting the Tory undecideds back to Labour, as he did in ’98. Also, he’s an oik of the first water, and the Eton crowd would like to flush his head down the toilet. Not much original research has been done on his dosh since 2011. That is because the setup was designed to be hard to examine without a warrant. Anything published since is recycled material.

    Lately even his stoutest previous defenders are nowhere to be seen.

    He never attracted loyal friends. Too manipulative. Nice to see Straw reneging and redacting, btw.

    …Any withdrawal of lucrative contracts would be very indicative of his future, and anyway, having a leader from our own side appearing at The Hague would show that we’re still the good guys, right.

    I imagine his utility to JP Morgan, Zurich, BP, etc, is waning naturally as time passes. Hero or villain, he’ll have no trouble securing speaking engagements, and don’t mistake increased nervousness about his location being known in advance for withdrawal of contracts.

    Is it really true he uses that same jet all the time.

    The Bombardier Global Express 7000, registration G-CEYL, owned by Aravco (which no longer exists, having merged with another charter outfit owned by the same people) – does seem to be in pretty constant use, and very often its movements coincide with Blair’s. It may be reserved for his exclusive use; I think his inner plutocrat would insist on extensive adaptation of the interior to suit the needs of himself and his entourage, and this would be difficult to change at short notice for other customers. Fragmentary information suggests that earlier this month it flew to Cork in order to drop Cherie off before doing a swift about-turn and heading to China, for a meeting which, if the Italian press hadn’t got hold of it would have been secret. He uses it as a taxi.

    Peripherally, G-CEYL seems to have been previously owned by International Clothing Design, prop. Richard Caring, a friend of ‘Lord’ Levy and former Labour mega-donor – switched to the Tories in 2009. Possibly some arrangement was made.

    Dear, oh dear. I think a bit of lower profile and varying of movements might be in order during this difficult time.

    That would conflict with his desire to be famous. However, his security does seem to have improved over the last few months. Actually, he would be justified in becoming totally paranoid; they really are out to get him. Good.


  20. They are such shallow and hollow, the pocket politicians. You could not have any more feeble types running our country.

    ‘David is that you? William Jefferson Hague here. John Kerry says that we have to re-establish good relations with Iran so I am opening up our Embassy there pronto’.

    UK is set to re-open Iran embassy
    Iranian president Hassan Rouhani
    Foreign Secretary William Hague is set to announce the UK will re-open its embassy in Iran’s capital, Tehran.


    Ba’al I could not get on to the blog. Your previous post has appeared three times over 8 minutes up to 9am?!

  21. Sofia (Habba's Demon Daughter)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 10:21 am

    Ba’al… Ba’al… Ba’al.

    Good points you make there, there and there.

    With any luck, as it becomes increasingly unacceptable to defend the murderous actions of Bliar it becomes evermore imaginable that we’ll see him dragged to the Hague.

    One can but hope.

  22. Open memo to war criminal Tony Blair
    Alan Hart
    June 16, 2014 4

    TB. I think those who described you as a “Bush puppet” and an “American stooge” were wrong. You are a neo-con. And it’s my guess that you colluded with America’s neo-cons to push President Bush to war. Could that be why you and your American neo-con associates don’t want the Chilcot Inquiry to publish the transcripts of your conversations with Bush?

    A collage of the faces

  23. PS I am not responding to Dreoilin/Nuid’s distortions on the previous page. She has form ref myself and I don’t want to see a return to the previous breakdown of the blog.

  24. Kurdish President Mas’oud Barzani spoke on Radio 4 this morning. He spoke beautiful English, I thought. The gist of it was that though Kurdistan was against terrorism of all sorts, if a little benefit had come from the activities of terrorists to Kurdistan, well why not accept that gain?

    KIA is a popular model of car in Kurdistan, and so is the CIA. All you need to drive a CIA is to keep the double drivel drooling.

  25. Na'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 10:31 am

    For ‘Cork’, above, maybe read ‘Knock’, as Tony was spotted in Sligo that day – Knock is the nearest with a long enough runway, and misreporting of a radio exchange may be responsible for an error here.

  26. Na'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 10:32 am

    Mods – please retain the last version of the above triplicate. Site was apparently not accepting input at the time – delete the first two tries, and apologies.

  27. Rehmat, Rehmat, you’re doing it again. You used your swivel-eye anti-Israeli spectacles again. You have exceeded the limits of craziness before. But at least you have solved Technicolour’s problem on 17 Jun, 2014 – 12:38 am.

  28. Ban’al

    Sorry, couldn’t resist a cheap jibe. I really think the main objection to Blair is moral/spiritual/intellectual. He normalised the practise of blatant lying by a sitting Prime Minister. Mrs Thatcher got away with it because she was a woman and we are programmed to respect women. Us men I mean.

    Now lying is seen as a virtue, like poetry. The more bi-focal, bi-tongued and just bi-everything, the more artistic licence is called upon. Speakers of and seekers after truth do not have the talent or mental capacity to hold two versions of the truth at the same time. I never actually slept with any of the guys I’ve been bonking all this time.

    Why don’t you go to China and make useful items if you can’t keep up with the modern way of doing things? I’m going.

  29. FACT OF THE DAY ….. delivered with very little evidence but a strong degree of likelihood:

    The majority of so-called ‘suicide bombs’ are no such thing. They are false-flag bombs planted by people who live on to repeat the act another day.

  30. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 11:28 am


    That was cruel. And I have no need to be rude to ‘Guano'; which says it all… :-P

    But let me assure you that Rehmat’s been doing this sort of thing for years, all over t’interweb. He’s not listening. Hopeless, and probably a jihadi.

    My objection to Blair is that he makes my skin crawl. Simples.

  31. DavidH
    17 Jun, 2014 – 4:03 am

    Craig’s original posting:

    “The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation.”


    “…doesn’t mean we need to automatically ignore the sins of anybody on the opposite side. Beheadings, summary executions of prisoners, suicide bombings specifically aimed at civilian targets, religious law used to further their own business or political aims, utter disregard for the well-being of civilians (particularly women…”

    You cannot cover-up the West’s complicity, in unleashing the horrendous crimes now being committed by all sides, through distraction.

    “Beheadings, summary executions of prisoners, suicide bombings specifically aimed at civilian targets…”

    That’s what the Sunni forces are doing, on behalf of the West, in Syria. They are being funded and armed by the US and Saudi Arabia (a close ally of the UK).

    Have you ever heard of cause and effect?

    Craig’s statement: “The present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation” holds true.

    You must take the blinkers off and stop trying to blinker others with bullshit.

    PS. Civilians, including women and children, are being blown to pieces almost daily e.g. at wedding parties and funerals in attacks by US drones in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

  32. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 11:47 am

    Kurdish President Mas’oud Barzani spoke on Radio 4 this morning. He spoke beautiful English, I thought. The gist of it was that though Kurdistan was against terrorism of all sorts, if a little benefit had come from the activities of terrorists to Kurdistan, well why not accept that gain?

    Indeed. Though it wasn’t the terrorism of the PKK in Turkey that did the trick. It was the terrorism of Barzani’s KDP and the US/Israel-sponsored and advised Kurdish Independent Life Party on the Iranian border.

    Notwithstanding the credible allegations that AQ was welcomed to Kurdish guerilla bases for training…under the prewar Northern No-fly Zone.

  33. But does he deserve a trial before judges that are persuadable by the likes of him?
    Chilcots inquiery was influenced and made into bland soup by the person who was inquiered into.
    That both Blair and Straw are still able to twist the news and are amplified shows that they are all fully prepared to do it again in Iraq.
    And that they are guilty as toast is golden brown.

    Thanks for all the great posts, gotta shoot…….

  34. Well done Ben for digging the Polish story – 17 Jun, 2014 – 2:32 am. True obviously and it hurts…

  35. Our English Page & Material

    At the same time we try to bring back our refugee communities together, we try to do our share to remind people that there are over 5 Million Iraqis around the world, because of a war that was based on lies, give us back our country and we will go back, not to the Batista style thieves in the Green Zone, back to us, the Iraqi People.

    More Than 30 Top U.S. Officials Guilty of War Crimes, Boyle Says

    15 June 2014, 2:40 pm

    The following press release was issued by Lord Maginnis of Drumglass on Friday, June 13, concerning the recent development in Iraq and an important conference at the UK Parliament in this regard

    At the invitation of Lord Maginnis of Drumglass and Lord Clarke of Hampstead, a conference was held at the Westminster Parliament on 10 June 2014 to discuss the major concerns in Iraq including the situation of human rights, the lack of security, absence of social developments and Iraq’s international obligations.

    Participants in the conference included His Eminance Shaikh Dr. Abdulhakim Al Saadi of the Iraqi Muslim Scholars, Mr Sabah Al Mukhtar, President of the Arab Lawyers Association (UK) and Legal Consultant in UK, Dr Isam Al Chalabi, Former Iraqi Oil Minister, Prof. Saad Naji Jawad, Professor of Political Science and visiting professor at LSE, Dr Subhi Toma, Expert on Minorities and Immigrants, His Excellency Sid Ahmed Al Ghozali, former Prime Minister of Algeria, and Messrs Denis Halliday and Hans von Sponeck, former Assistant Secretary Generals at the UN.



    I was given the links to the above but do not know the provenance of Scoop or of the meeting at the HoC.

  36. Oops, not 900 sq km, but 990 square miles.

  37. “That’s the hospital that treated Malala (used for anti-Taliban propaganda)”

    Perhaps the Taliban could have been more publicity conscious and not shot her in the first place?

  38. DavidH – you need to get with the agenda – saying that the present problems of Iraq are 100% down to our murderous invasion and occupation is the minimum acceptable quota – the Eminences are aiming for 200% or higher.

  39. Guano sets limits for craziness – well at least he has a sense of humour.

  40. Strange how Tony Blair’s current difficulties bring the Saddam lovers out from under their stone – if only he knew he was a tool of the US before he gassed the Kurds and invaded Kuwait and got all that bad press from Amnesty International – he was good boy and loved his relatives and friends (well most of them anyway).

  41. Someone said Eslo is the same as Resident Dissident? Correct?

    The lads are taking turns again.

  42. Having turns more like. I suggest they lie down in a darkened room, drink just water, till they feel a bit better and it passes. What a surprise we should find the US roving lunatic ethnocentric acting President Zbigniew Brzezinski (aka Doctor Death, Prisoner Z on the charge sheet) coaxing, forcing Saddam into war with Iran.

  43. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 2:37 pm

    Suggest ESLO informs himself on the activities of Rick Francona during the Iran-Iraq War, and maybe Reagan’s opinion on the possibility of Iran winning. At precisely the time of the Iraqi gas attack on Halabja, the US and Iraq were exchanging intelligence freely. In order to contain Iran. The US was well aware that Iraq was using CW, and let Iraq know it would do fuck-all about it. Saddam knew. He was banking on it.

    Strange to think that in its terror of Iranian Shi’a fundamentalism, the US succeeded in creating much more pervasive Sunni fundamentalism in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Maghreb and the Horn of Africa (and check for updates on this incomplete list). While at the same time creating a weak Shi’a regime in Iraq.

    A clusterfuck, with neocon US policy – or lack of any policy beyond grandiose aspirations, really – the chief culprit.


    17 Jun, 2014 - 2:56 pm

    Habbafook can’t do anything except attack the messenger. Even so inclined, he brandishes only a flaccid member.

  45. The stories were wrong. No Iranian forces had marched into Iraq. While American drones fly overhead and American aircraft carriers stream into the Persian Gulf, Al Qaeda forces – really American backed Takfiris sick of being pounded by the Syrian army – are moving on Baghdad.

    America destroyed Iraq in 2003. Recent revelations from Russian intelligence have rewritten the narrative of that time. It had been accepted that Bush and Blair, in a frenzy of greed and psychosis had decided to invade Iraq in order to steal billions in oil while pocketing their personal percentages of the vast defense contracts that a protracted bloodletting would facilitate.

    The new hypothesis is kinder to Bush and Blair. It cites them as cowards and dupes, blackmailed into warring on the world on behalf of Israel, confronted with threats of “outing” their personal complicity in the theft and sale of weapons grade nuclear material and a far darker issue, very real threats against the US and Britain, threats of nuclear weapons “in place” and city after city learning first hand of the “Samson option.”

    Whichever hypothesis is true, and military experts tend toward accepting the latter, the wanton destruction of Iraq and over a dozen other nations has always been “in the cards.”

  46. YouKnowMyName

    17 Jun, 2014 - 2:57 pm


    GCHQ has long advocated that it work with NSA and the Israeli SIGINT Service (ISNU) in a trilateral arrangement in prosecuting the Iranian target. SID [NSA Signals Intelligence Directorate] policy has been opposed to such a blanket arrangement, and the specific trilateral explained in the attached paper on Iran should not be interpreted as a broad change of approach. In other areas, NSA and GCHQ have agreed to continue to share information gleaned from the respective bilateral relationships with ISNU.


    alleged Snowden revelation of the VISIT PRÉCIS of Sir Iain Lobban, KCMG, CB
    [previous] Director, Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) 30 April 2013 – 1 May 2013 to Fort George G. Meade, Maryland


    17 Jun, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    “Guano sets limits for craziness – well at least he has a sense of humour.”

    Yes. The best comedians have deep social anger.

  48. Whose Magna Carta is it anyway?
    June 17, 2014 by Adam Wagner

    Yesterday was Magna Carta Day. It is now only 364 days until the 800th anniversary of the sealing of England’s oldest charter of rights, and one of the world’s most influential legal documents.

    A good piece which exposes the hypocrisy of the pocket pols who are attempting to own it for themselves and their parteis.

  49. I suggest Ba’al Zevul inform himself on the fundamental moral doctrine of the prime responsibility for one’s own actions being yourself as it is now a little late for Saddam. Such behaviour might be excusable in the case of those under the age of 4 or 5 – but not so much with Heads of State. A bad man/country made me do it doesn’t work for me I’m afraid.

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    “Well done Ben for digging the Polish story – 17 Jun, 2014 – 2:32 am. True obviously and it hurts…”

    I think that was the story I commented on, wasn’t it (the Little Green Men, aka Polish mercenaries, in Ukraine).

    I see I needn’t have bothered to query the narrative, since anything endorsed by Mr Golding automatically loses all credibility without the need for anyone else’s intervention.

    Thanks Mark.

  51. “While American drones fly overhead and American aircraft carriers stream into the Persian Gulf, Al Qaeda forces – really American backed Takfiris sick of being pounded by the Syrian army – are moving on Baghdad.”

    Is it a form of racism to assume that some people in some parts of the world are not capable of doing bad things independently of “US imperialists” issuing the instructions?

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    @ California Ben

    “Habbafook can’t do anything except attack the messenger. Even so inclined, he brandishes only a flaccid member.”

    Ben, Ben! Have you moved on from your turd metaphor to embrace the cock image?

    Honest Injun’, I suggest you embrace your own (in private, of course) and work towards preventing reflux of digestive waste from large intestine to mouth.

    You know it’s the right thing to do, Ben.


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Frist Alleppo, then Baghdad….natch! for the hopeful and engineered thinking.

    “Yossi Melman is “an Israeli writer and journalist. He was an intelligence and strategic affairs correspondent for the Haaretz newspaper, and in 2012 he joined the Israeli news portal Walla! in a similar, more analytical role.”

    Melman just tweeted:

    #Baghdad collapses. Shells on US & Iran Embassies Premier Maliki left. Chief of Staff escaped yo Germany. Heavy casualties to Iran forces


  54. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    This from last week’s Herzliya Conference.

    Summary: steal the lot, and make the bantustans look nicer.


  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:12 pm


    “I suggest Ba’al Zevul inform himself….”

    You’ll have to shout bloody loud for Ba’an al Zevul to hear you, sitting up there on Mt Olympus…..

  56. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    moonofalabama is a nutjob, Ben.

    Morals? Who’s talking about morals, ESLO? The US did nothing about Saddam’s breach of the Geneva Convention when he was their stooge, and then claimed they had the right to lay waste to Iraq on the basis that he might be in a position to breach the Geneva Convention when he wasn’t thweir proxy. Don’t drag morals into it.

    No, Saddam wasn’t nice. Neither are the neocons. I wouldn’t try to make a case for either.


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:17 pm

    I must be getting jaded. My jaw has not dropped even once since the former players, now wizened by their experiences and conscience, have been trotted out again by the Watchdogs who need close watching,

    “It’s hard to believe that the press has turned to the architects of the disaster in Iraq and their enablers. Over the last two weeks, we’ve seen and heard from folks that should be up for war crimes not TV spots. Why aren’t these folks being held accountable and why is the press returning to the same folks that were responsible for the worst foreign policy mistake in US History. Well, not only are they all over TV but they’re being hired to teach.”

  58. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:18 pm

    Oy vey, you should bomb Iran already, department…

    No-one else in Iraq is working to increase their influence, are they?


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:19 pm

    I’m not sure what measuring device you’re using Ba’al. Moon is consistently readable.

  60. Perhaps the slightly smarter here should reflect how much easier it might be to make IDF soldiers, UK and US politicians et al to take some responsibility for their own actions if they were to apply the same standards to Saddam, Assad, Al-Quada, Putin, Hamas, ISIS, suicide bombers, kidnappers of Israeli children et al.

  61. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:19 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “PS. Civilians, including women and children, are being blown to pieces almost daily e.g. at wedding parties and funerals in attacks by US drones in Pakistan and Afghanistan.”

    Almost daily, eh.

    On a point of information, can you let us know how many drone strikes have been authorised on targets in Pakistan and Afghanistan since the beginning of this year?

    The information is available to the public, but in the light of your comment (above)I would like you to have the pleasure of telling us.

    Thanks Doug.


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:27 pm

    “Perhaps the slightly smarter here should reflect how much easier it might be to make IDF soldiers, UK and US politicians et al to take some responsibility for their own actions if they were to apply the same standards…”

    I guess it’s like the hypocrisy of a parent telling a child; “Do what I say, not what I do”. It takes all the air out of the putative notion that they are the leaders of the free world. If so, who needs freedom?


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:29 pm

    The Midwives of Democracy are more like abortionists.

  64. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:37 pm

    I’m not sure what measuring device you’re using Ba’al. Moon is consistently readable.

    Oh yes. But not accurate. If her Israeli exists, he may be trying to hurry along some US intervention.

    ESLO – It would seem both logical and feasible to insist that our allies conform to standards similar to our own. ‘Our’ side is pushing civilisation, remember? We’re trying to sell something desirable? As to all those uncivilised villains, we have two options – peaceful persuasion, and bombing them back to the Stone Age. Morality, anyone? Neither approach works. Let’s get our shit together at any rate.

  65. Ben

    One thing children do is only listen to the part of the sentence they want to hear – I’ll get you an ice cream if you clean your bedroom. Thanks for demonstrating my point.

  66. “As to all those uncivilised villains, we have two options”

    Grown ups can think of a lot more options.


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    ” If her Israeli exists, he may be trying to hurry along some US intervention.”

    Bu that’s exactly the point.


    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    ESLO; You think the West is the model emerging democracies should follow? I think they have it down.

    TEACHERS, we are.

  69. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    Couple more for you here, Ben:

    We put our maniacs in the House of Lords. Better system.

  70. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:48 pm

    But that’s exactly the point.

    Ah. Sorry. I’m in ESLO literalist mode. *changes gear*

  71. Ba'al Zevul (Iraqation, Iraqation, Iraqation!)

    17 Jun, 2014 - 3:49 pm

    “As to all those uncivilised villains, we have two options”

    Grown ups can think of a lot more options.

    Please ask your Daddy to list some.

  72. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 Jun, 2014 - 4:29 pm

    “ESLO; You think the West is the model emerging democracies should follow?”

    Certainly. Can you think of another one, Ben? If so, spill it out.


    Habbabkuk says : criticism is easy, being constructive more difficult.

  73. Becoming deadlier.

    Iraqi forces have hit back with air strikes near Tal Afar as the BBC’s John Simpson reports
    Continue reading the main story
    Struggle for IraqThe end of Iraq?
    US strike would be turning point
    Maps illustrate conflict
    Who are ISIS?

    Iraqi government forces are engaged in heavy clashes with Sunni insurgents who have made major advances in the past week.

    Parts of the city of Baquba – just 60km (37 miles) from Baghdad – were briefly taken over by the rebels.

    Reports say 44 prisoners were killed during fighting at a police station in the city.


    Israel detains dozens more in search for missing teens
    Israel’s military has arrested 41 more Palestinians as it expands the search for three Israeli teenagers believed kidnapped in the West Bank.

    The total number of people detained since the Jewish seminary students went missing last Thursday now exceeds 200.

    Imagine their treatment. Torture. The lot.


    Here everything’s wonderful. Hague is busy getting the decorators into the British Embassy in Tehran. Cameron is meeting the Chinese boss man. The sun is shining. House prices up 9.9% (lovely for those selling their desres to the Chinese).

    But not if you’re one of the 2,600 Morrisons workers told today that they are losing their jobs.

  74. Cameron gushes drivel about British values and Magna Carta as the inexorable rise of secret trials continues.

    You couldnt make it up.

  75. “Can you think of one, Ben”

    Sure. How about a constitutional republic, as originally conceived by the founding fathers.

  76. Is the International Red Cross showing its partiality by refusing to ask Israel to release Palestinian child prisoners although they have asked for the three Israeli teenagers to be released pf course.

    The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) is refusing to call on Israel to immediately and unconditionally release almost two hundred Palestinian children held by the Israeli army.

    The person quoted worked for MDM France before ICRC which has its HQ in Switzerland. connected to Kouchner.

  77. Craig wrote about the disgraceful way in which the UK has treated the Chagos Islanders.

    In looking for news on the useless D. Miliband and what he is doing about these international crises, I came across this latest report on the law case in which Grieve himself is representing the UK.

    Did David Miliband ignore Gordon Brown on Chagos?

    Miliband pushed off to NY to the International Rescue Centre (always makes me think of Lady Penelope!) for his £280k pa. He seems to do b. all except drift around the planet and send weedy tweets.

    5 mins ago, he has put up this link. Presumably he approves of it?

    ‘Important step: “Obama will propose vast expansion of Pacific Ocean marine sanctuary”

  78. doug scorgie

    17 Jun, 2014 - 8:19 pm

    Troll feeding frenzy:
    ESLO 3:00pm
    Habb 3:03pm
    ESLO 3:04pm
    Habb 3:09pm
    Habb 3:12pm
    ESLO 3:19pm
    Habb 3:19pm

  79. They weren’t expecting this :)

    British journalist tells the truth on Ukranian TV

  80. ‘I recommend readers to check out “Voltaire Net” for themselves, and I wish them better luck than I had in finding out very much about it.’

    Habbabkuk! Delighted to see you inveigh against those dickheads who post online without revealing their identities.

  81. I had the intention to recall here the camp near the small village of Stare Kiejkuty that Polish Prime Minister Tusk called a CIA prison aka ‘Black Site’. I reflected the fact that Poland asked NATO to station 10,000 troops on its territory in April this year.

    I get the reckoning of ‘ill will’ between Russia and Poland and her borders from hell. Starting from the top, Poland abuts Kaliningrad (the Russian exclave on the Baltic carved at the end of the war from East Prussia), Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine.

    None of these borders relies on any natural barriers like rivers or mountain ranges – they are just lines on a map drawn by Stalin in the full flush of victory.

    No wonder the Poles feel vulnerable. Yet that saddens me. All I know about Koken and Fibonacci loops was learned from a brilliant Polish mathematician.

    But Poland is going to have to work out their future with more Russian influence and pressure on their countries than they had anticipated. Both Nato and the EU have made promises they can’t possibly keep. We have led them up the garden path with our empty guarantees.

    Our local Polish community have admitted to being ‘house trained’ and they are not fukin stupid – Yes — Poland has mercenaries in Ukraine and many have traveled there from the UK.

    Donald Tusk was right when he warned the “world stands on the brink of conflict.”

    Some here just ‘poison the tea’ while invoking the hoodoo ‘Life is Beautiful’ — pour the tea into the plant-pot!! much as you knew that anyway. Thank-you.

  82. @Pykrete: Well, that was careless of Ukrainian broadcasting…

    The pictures on the faces of the Kievists is priceless!

  83. Iraqi Government blames Saudi Arabia…


    18 Jun, 2014 - 1:41 am

    “Iraqi Government blames Saudi Arabia…”

    Yes, but the World Cup and it’s corruption !!!

    Where are your priorities, Peacewisher?


    18 Jun, 2014 - 2:09 am

    Mark; Shall History record the Fascist rejoinder to Samuel Clemons sagacious response to those who stalwart souls of the media in his time falsely publishing his death?

    “I fear reports of the demise of the 1000 year Reich, to be premature”


    18 Jun, 2014 - 2:13 am

    …those {strike} who {strike} stalwart souls…..(an Edit button, an Edit button. My Kingdom for an edit button.)

  87. Running scared, literally.

    Stooge Ban Ki-Moon was waffling away yesterday but nobody was listening.

    UN chief Ban Ki-moon condemns Iraq violence

  88. The sectarian myth of Iraq exploited by the West is a recipe for endless war
    Sami Ramadani 17 June 2014.

    Iraqi exile Sami Ramadani says Iraq is not a motley collection of religions and ethnicities which have been waiting for decades, if not centuries, to slaughter each other.

    Tony Blair has been widely derided for his attempted justification of the 2003 Iraq invasion, and his claim last weekend that he’s blameless over the current turmoil.

    Unfortunately, though, many of his critics have also bought into a central plank of his argument: that Iraqi society is no more than a motley collection of religions and ethnicities which have been waiting for decades, if not centuries, to slaughter each other and plunge the place into a bloodbath.

    The main difference between the two sides seems to be that Blair believes western intervention is the answer; some of his critics say Iraq needed a dictator like Saddam to hold the nation together.

    Neither side, though, has yet produced historical evidence of significant communal fighting between Iraq’s religions, sects, ethnicities or nationalities. Prior to the 2003 US-led occupation, the only incident was the 1941 violent looting of Jewish neighbourhoods – which is still shrouded in mystery as to who planned it. Documents relating to that criminal incident are still kept secret at the Public Records Office by orders of successive British governments. The bombing of synagogues in Baghdad in 1950-51 turned out to be the work of Zionists to frighten Iraq’s Jews – one of the oldest Jewish communities in the world – into emigrating to Israel following their refusal to do so.

    Until the 1970s nearly all Iraq’s political organisations were secular, attracting people from all religions and none. The dividing lines were sharply political, mostly based on social class and political orientation. The growth of religious parties followed Saddam’s ruthless elimination of all political entities other than the Ba’ath party. Places of worship became centres of political agitation and organisation.

    Despite popular myths, the majority of Ba’ath party founders were Shia. However, Iraqi Ba’athist ideology always had a racist dimension against the Kurdish people and non-Arabs – as well as a class orientation, when in power, that marginalised millions in the poorest sections of society, mostly in the south. Southern Iraq and some areas of Baghdad, populated by mostly Shia migrants from southern rural areas, have historically been home to the poorest people.

    Iraq’s biggest mass organisation from the 1940s to the 60s was the Iraqi Communist party, founded in 1934 by activists from all religious and ethnic backgrounds. It was the strongest party even in Iraqi Kurdistan, and remained a mass party until its leadership decided to join Saddam’s regime in 1973 – against the wishes of most party members. Saddam launched a vicious campaign against the ICP in 1978-9, and the party lost its raison d’être after joining the Iraq Governing Council set up after the occupation in 2003.

    Commentators on Iraq often refer to ethnic wars waged against its Kurdish people. They fail to mention that none of these wars were popular but were ruthlessly pursued by repressive regimes, particularly Saddam’s.

    One of the greatest testaments to the tolerance that exists between the various communities in Iraq is that Baghdad still has up to a million Kurds, who have never experienced communal violence by Arabs. Similarly, about 20% of Basra’s population is Sunni. Samarra, a mostly Sunni city, is home to two of the most sacred Shia shrines. Its Sunni clergy have been the custodians of the shrines for centuries.

    Every tribe in Iraq has Sunnis and Shia in its ranks. Every town and city has a mix of communities. My experience of Iraq, and that of all friends and relatives, is that of an amazing mix of coexisting communities, despite successive divide-and-rule regimes.


  89. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 7:46 am


    “I recommend readers to check out “Voltaire Net” for themselves, and I wish them better luck than I had in finding out very much about it.’

    Habbabkuk! Delighted to see you inveigh against those dickheads who post online without revealing their identities.”

    King! Good to have you back with us, but wish it had been to make a more intelligent comment.

    Compare and contrast one commenter on someone else’s blog with an entire website which is frequently quoted from as a source for sundry point of view.

    My identity is as unimportant as Mary’s, Herbie’s, Ba’n A N’Zevul’s or – dare I say it – even yours. The identity, organisation and credentials of outfits like “Voltaire Net” and “Global Research” on the other hand are highly relevant as they are evidently seen by many on here as the infallible sources of truth.

    Why do you and others get so twitchy when they’re held up to the light, I wonder?

    (No need to answer that!)

  90. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 7:55 am

    From California Ben

    “…those {strike} who {strike} stalwart souls…..(an Edit button, an Edit button. My Kingdom for an edit button.)”



    An edit button with a function enabling commenters to avoid making fools of themselves when attempting to be clever-clever:

    “..the Fascist rejoinder to Samuel Clemons sagacious response..”


  91. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 8:00 am


    A VERY long cut-and-paste at 06h48 (up with the lark, eh!).

    Did not Craig once ask people to stop cluttering up his blog with long quotes from other sources/websites unless it was to back up a personal opinion or point of view?

    Something about not wanting his blog to become a rubbish dump?

    Please make an effort to respect our host’s wishes, Mary (this goes for certain others as well – you know who you are)


    La vita è bella, life is gooooood!

  92. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 8:24 am

    Cameron gushes drivel about British values and Magna Carta as the inexorable rise of secret trials continues.

    You couldnt make it up.

    Hush. The bastards obviously take that as a challenge.

    There’s a little piece in this week’s Private Eye (print only) on the antecedents of the judge in charge of the secret trial. Seems he protested, when just a humble lawyer (!), against similar moves: “justice must always be seen to be done…”

    But he evidently overcame his scruples in order to achieve his full potential.

  93. “Neither side, though, has yet produced historical evidence of significant communal fighting between Iraq’s religions, sects, ethnicities or nationalities.”–36_Iraqi_Shia_revolts

    I must’ve imagined the post-Gulf War rebellions in Iraq that left tens of thousands dead too.

  94. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 8:34 am

    Confirming everything you ever suspected about Blair, by someone who tried to advise him:

    According to Joffe, Blair “personalised” the whole issue in the form of Hussein and thus “the whole structure of Iraq was utterly irrelevant.. It was very two-dimensional.”

    The Torygraph weighs in this morning with the assertion that Saddam “filled more graves” than ISIS has.

    Give ‘em time. Saddam had 35 years.

  95. America’s top diplomat John Kerry says the US is “now open” to working with Iran in a bid to halt the collapse of the Baghdad government.

    Or, as Churchill said after the fall of France, “Oh fuck, what are we going to do now?”

  96. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 8:43 am

    And here’s the two-dimensional, shallow, geopolitically naive, self-aggrandising, pontificating POS in Israel. Flew out on the 15th, if I’m not mistaken.

    They’ll be the only friends he’s got.

    Note the trained lawyer making assertions about Hamas when there is not yet a shred of evidence that Hamas was in any way involved…

    PS: Israeli justice –

  97. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 9:09 am

    And he’s meddling in Cairo, too.

    *private jet*

    I have to wonder what Blair’s connection with the current government really is. He seems to be acting as some kind of clandestine representative of HMG – which he definitely shouldn’t be. Blair the back-channel? Appropriate.

    Supporting evidence, Charles Hendry’s (our Envoy to the ‘Stan Dictators) recent visit to Azerbaijan: no detectable trace of Blair on this one, but G-CEYL flew (unusually) from Heathrow to Baku on the same date. Hendry and Blair are not even friends, and have clashed in the past. Is G-CEYL’s hire actually funded by us?

  98. International media ignore Israel’s abduction of Palestinian teens
    Amena Saleem
    17 June 2014

    In the first ten days of June, seventeen teenage boys were abducted in the occupied West Bank. The youngest was thirteen, the oldest seventeen.

    Some were dragged at gunpoint from their homes and family in the middle of the night; others were seized from the streets in broad daylight.

    All of the abductions were documented by the Palestinian Monitoring Group. None were reported by the international media. No Western politicians called for the release of the boys.


    Just a few specks here of the daily experiences of the Palestinians logged by the Palestine Monitoring Group, and reported on Leslie Bravery’s website from New Zealand, a decent human.

    11 June 2014
    Israeli Army stun and tear gas grenades: Ramallah – 14:45, Israeli troops positioned at the Ofer Prison fired stun and tear gas grenades at pedestrians.

    Occupation road casualty – child: Qalqiliya – 07:15, 14-year-old Ahmad Yunis was admitted to hospital after being run over by an Occupation settler vehicle in Saniriya.

    Raid – mosque violation: Jerusalem – settler militants, escorted by Israeli troops, invaded the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound and molested worshippers.

  99. ‘Something about not wanting his blog to become a rubbish dump?’

    One of Craig’s earlier pieces was entitled ‘Motes’.

    Read and learn troll.

    ‘Matthew 7:3-5
    King James Version (KJV)

    3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

    5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.’

    Yes I was up early wasn’t I!
    Early to bed….etc.

  100. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 10:14 am

    Was Blair’s very silent visit to China on the 10th – only reported by Italian media…here’s Renzi meeting him there:

    – was this a deniable preliminary to the current visit to the UK by Chinese premier Li Keqiang?

    I mean, normally, he’s so vocal…

    Maybe he just dropped in to see how Wendi was doing.

  101. Wait to see queues at the filling stations going round the block shortly. This will start off the scare stories. At the weekend there were even unusually long queues in this area.

    BBC Breakfast: ISIS seize oil refinery in Baiji.

    earlier this morning. Baiji is the location of the largest oil refinery in Iraq.

  102. “Baiji is the location of the largest oil refinery in Iraq.”

    Refineries produce fuel for the domestic market.

    Won’t affect anybody outside Iraq.

  103. Tony Blair Bears ‘Total Responsibility’ For Isis, Says Academic Who Advised Him On Iraq

    Is Tony a sociopath or psychopath?


  104. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 11:32 am


    This page is, according to Google, about how Christianity has transfomed China (you what, Tone?), and published 5 days before Tony flew there. Clicky.

    Our Saviour seems to have taken it down.

  105. I wrote yesterday about the ICRC’s refusal to step in on behalf of the Palestinian child prisoners held by the Occupiers.

    The ICRC president is onePeter Maurer. Have a look at this most nauseating film of Maurer. He is introduced by an admiral who had charge of Guantanamo. He speaks of his posting there as being ‘uncomfortable’. Not half as nasty as that of his prisoners, orange jump suited, shackled, force fed and carted around on gurneys like corpses.

    Maurer’s posturing towards the most egregious offender, the US, is excruciating.

  106. ‘“Baiji is the location of the largest oil refinery in Iraq.”
    Refineries produce fuel for the domestic market.”

    Quite well aware of that Fred. I said scare stories.

    ‘Won’t affect anybody outside Iraq. I hope your sentence doesn’t become ‘famous last words’.

  107. From Medialens

    Amazing Nick Robinson quote on BBC News at Ten
    Posted by The Editors on June 18, 2014

    The BBC’s political editor delivered a real pearl:

    ‘The history of the rift between the US and Iran goes all the way back to the Islamic Revolution 35 years ago’

    As we’ve noted before, the history of US-Iran relations only ever seems to go back to 1979 in the corporate media. They’re not so quick to mention the 1953 Iranian coup orchestrated by the US – with British help.

  108. Plus this about another of the state’s broadcasters, Paul Wood.

    The BBC’s Paul Wood in Iraq – a decade on

    Posted by The Editors on June 18, 2014.

    10 years ago in Iraq, BBC reporter Paul Wood was a leading light in the propaganda barrage there. Perhaps the worst examples were his ‘journalism’ from Fallujah, as you can see by looking through our archive of media alerts, e.g.:

    Amazing to think that a decade on, his career is still intact and he’s back reporting from Iraq – as on last night’s BBC News at Ten.


    For those that can’t access the iPlayer or don’t fancy trawling through News at Ten:

  109. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 11:53 am

    Tony wouldn’t be Tony if he didn’t drop off en route to Cairo and Tel Aviv – ok, slightly offroute, but that’s personal luxury jets for you – to see his old dictator mates. Yesterday:

    Thinks – ‘I wouldn’t buy a used camel from that lot.’

  110. A lot of sarcasm on this very serious thread, as of late…

    Has anyone noticed any change in reported regarding Ukraine since Iraq became “the priority”.

    Latest body count from the UN (Gianni Magazzeni, head of European Department of the Office of the High Commissioner of Human Rights):

    Including deaths of two journalists… worse than even during the Iraq invasion…

    (NB: this is Associated Press reporting…)

  111. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 1:03 pm

    Curse of Blair (1)

    Curse of Blair (2)

    Trouble just seems to follow him around.

    (@ Peacemaker: Sarcasm – it just comes naturally when thinking about Blair. You wouldn’t want anyone to take the grinning shite seriously?)

  112. Two measured pieces by John Chuckman.

    Understanding Israel’s Corrosive Influence on Western Democracy

    June 4, 2014
    Israel has blackmailed the United States several times, the latest instance being over Iran’s nuclear program, a program which every reliable intelligence source agrees is not aimed at producing weapons. More than one Israeli source has suggested that low-yield nuclear weapons are the best way of destroying Iran’s technology, buried deeply underground, a suggestive whisper in American ears to do what Israel wants, or else.


    on June 16, 2014

    It is one of the gravest of contemporary truths that the greatest modern historical sufferers of genocide, the Jewish people, should be found now treating millions of others in brutal and degrading fashion, something now continued for more than half a century. Israel hasn’t killed millions, but it has killed tens of thousands in its wars and suppressions and their aftermath, including necessarily thousands of children in Middle Eastern populations heavily skewed to youth.

  113. KingOfWelshNoir

    “I recommend readers to check out “Voltaire Net” for themselves, and I wish them better luck than I had in finding out very much about it.’

    Read Aaronovitch’s book there is a short chapter on Voltaire Net and the 9/11 truthers conference they sponsored -even mentions that Craig attended – full of LaRouchies and other undesirables

  114. Habbabkuk, with the greatest respect, what are you talking about? All the contributors to Voltairenet Global research sign their articles and you can check their credentials. Michel Chossudovsky is listed in the university of Ottawa website. They even give his office phone number. You however are entirely anonymous.

  115. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 1:47 pm

    Tony will shortly be returning from the MidEast. It would be too much to hope that he flies over Syria and gets shot down*, but it does look as if he will be, or is, pausing in Turkey this afternoon.

    * Big black shiny twin-engine jet, lads. Unmistakeable.


    18 Jun, 2014 - 1:58 pm

    Out of deference to the resident ignoramus, a quote from Samuel Clemens.

    To succeed in life, you need two things: ignorance and confidence.
    Mark Twain


  117. Ba'al Zevul (The Tea's Great!)

    18 Jun, 2014 - 2:07 pm

    Dear Sir,
    I am allergic to straw men and snark, and a neighbour recommended your product. It only needed one application, and presto! No more straw snark misery! And I no longer feel that pathological urge to beat the computer screen to death. Thank you so much.
    Ba’al Zevul (Mr.)
    Tunbridge Wells.

  118. “So let me get this right…..” By Richard Alan Jones.

    Spot on. Well done Sir.

  119. We all know “Tony” is a w****r.
    And we all wonder how the hell he escaped any War Crimes trial (so far).

    But we should not forget.
    The Shia and Sunni have been “at it” for ages. It’s what they do.

    More worryingly, I have just heard “Dave” in UK Parliament.
    Apparently he feels that the current “situation” in Iraq will come back to the UK.

    Nice try “Dave”.
    We’ve heard it all before.
    You’re talking shite again.

    Or maybe “Dave” means he’s going to pop a helmet on, load a rifle….and head off that way to sort it out ?

    I’ll hold your coat chum. And wave you off.

  120. Agent Cameron has used the situation in Iraq to hype up the terrrrr threat in the UK. Expect more draconian measures at airports and borders from St Theresa. She apologized for the passport foul up to a background of jeers.

  121. ESLO, 1:24 pm; be advised that the 9/11 Commission Report is to a large extent a collection of confessions extracted under torture.

  122. “Those who start the fire are burnt by the fire” Al Maliki (18/6/2104).

    Not sure Joan of Arc will agree with that statement !

  123. Abbott (with the jug ears), Bishop, Sharma and Brandis are ALL in in together – that is deliberately provoking and upsetting the Palestinians. They have a case of foot in mouth disease but they have chosen the wrong target.

    Note the possible loss of their sheep exports to Jordan because of it.

    East Jerusalem IS occupied whatever the Zionists say or think.

    Antagonizing Palestinians, Australia’s Linguistic Blunder Snowballs

  124. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 5:14 pm


    You obviously see no difference between me and websites/organisations such as VoltaireNet and Global Research. Well, actually you do but I guess you just want to tease me (which is your full right, of course).

    But when you write

    “You however are entirely anonymous.”

    how am I different from the vast majority of commenters on here? Does their total anonymity worry you as well, or is it just mine?

  125. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 5:18 pm


    “Out of deference to the resident ignoramus, a quote from Samuel Clemens.

    To succeed in life, you need two things: ignorance and confidence.
    Mark Twain”

    Thank you for getting the spelling of his name right this time round, Ben!

  126. Getting worse.

    Iraq formally seeks US air strikes
    Iraq formally requests the United States launch air strikes against jihadist militants who have seized several key cities.
    BBC website

  127. Habbabkuk, I was just worried for your well-being. When you disparaged Global Research et al on the grounds that it was difficult to check their bona fides I was concerned you might be sawing off the tree limb upon which you were sitting.

  128. One extrajudicial killing by drone is a crime. NO child should be harmed. See that 200 were killed.

    The Bureau of Investigative Journalism estimates the following cumulative statistics about US drone strikes:(As of January 2014)
    Total strikes: 381
    Total reported killed: 2,537 – 3,646
    Civilians reported killed: 416 – 951
    Children reported killed: 168 – 200
    Total reported injured: 1,128 – 1,557
    Strikes under the Bush Administration: 51
    Strikes under the Obama Administration: 330

    It is stated in a Bureau of Investigative Journalism (BIJ) report that of all the drone attack victims since 2004, more than 76% of the dead fall in the legal grey zone, 22% are confirmed civilians (included 5% minors) and only the remaining 1.5% are high-profile targets. A classified Pakistani government report obtained in July 2013 by the BIJ shows details of 75 drone strikes that occurred between 2006-09. According to the 12-page report, in this period alone, 176 of the 746 reported dead were civilians, with a further 200 regarded as probable non-combatants.

    Plus Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia. The list is endless. Used in places and countries we are told about. Mali? Chad? Nigeria? Kenya? Who knows?

    And who invented the evil Predator? Why, one Abraham Karem of course, now in the US, but originally a designer in the Israeli air force. 8,000 Predators are in use in the US military.

    And now Russia has got them and probably China. What a world.

  129. @Mary

    You forgot Iran. They shot down a US one. It must have missed the wedding party it was going for…and strayed into a real military area. Anyway, they have likely copied it by now.

  130. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 6:04 pm


    “And who invented the evil Predator? Why, one Abraham Karem of course, now in the US, but originally a designer in the Israeli air force.”

    Why the “of course” – because he’s a Jew/Israeli?


    Habbabkuk says fight racism and hate-speech.

  131. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    18 Jun, 2014 - 6:08 pm


    Still teasing, I see.

    Any thoughts on the anonymity claimed by the vast majority of commenters on here?

  132. Yes you are correct there James. Sorry I doubled up on your post about Cameron hyping up the terror threat.

    In my post on drone strikes, I omitted the word ‘not’.

    ‘Used in places and countries we are not told about……. ‘

  133. It’s all going to plan, Mary. “Darn it, if we aren’t going to have to chase ISIS back into eastern Syria, once we’ve dealt with them in Iraq.”

    The US will of course have to conduct regular overflights of western Iraq, just to make sure ISIS don’t come back. And if they happen upon any Iranian deliveries to Syria while doing so, hell, it’s hard to tell who’s who in the dark of the desert…

    Once the US have “secured” Syria’s eastern border, you’ll find that ISIS returns as a major threat inside Syria.

    Oh they’re very clever. You gotta hand it to them. Build a phantom, then blow it away.

  134. The use of ‘of course’ because as we are constantly told by the Zionist supporting corporate media, the Israelis excel at everything technological and scientific.

    But in spite of having a Mediterranean climate, beautiful beaches, fresh fruit such as apricots, dates and olives, new houses on stolen Palestinian land, they still have to use a computer game to make them feel happy!

    Israeli computer ‘game’ teaches brain to be happier
    A cognitive training program developed by Israeli psychologists quickly and easily decreases rumination and the resulting blues.

    The truth is, that deep within themselves, they know that something is not right about their lives and where they are living.

  135. “Once the US have “secured” Syria’s eastern border, you’ll find that ISIS returns as a major threat inside Syria.”

    I should have added: “except that now it will have US air support.”

    Indeed, Mary: How can you live a happy life based on theft and violence?

  136. PS ISIS (Newer, Better Al Qaida) will have been armed, initially, by all the kit the US has been sending to Jordan over the last 6-10 months. It will have some US military element co-ordinating its actions, drawn from the same.

    The US are really upping their game in that theatre. Maybe Poroshenko is serious about a unilateral cease-fire…

  137. Another reason for Scots to vote for self determination. Sir John Major claimed today that Scottish independence could damage Britain’s relationship with America by “wrecking” the UK’s nuclear deterrent.

    Also, more cracks in the dam holding back Bliar’s karma.

  138. Beware the presence on the newer thread. Someone has managed to get out of the shed. Somebody must have left the key on the hook and he spotted it.

    Shame as it’s been a nice peaceful day here.

  139. @Mary

    You have to know…it’s a game they play. And sometimes it becomes “unstuck”.

    So the “special relationship” between the UK and US has ended.
    The “Dave” and “Blue Lips” thing never got off the ground.
    The U.K. has Iran now.
    And the U.S. is sailing alone. They like that.

    Meanwhile …in the real world, China starts (or continues) buying (or providing the cash for) everything.

    And to be honest…that’s cool.
    But you are all missing the “blind side”.
    And it’s the “blind side” that’ll get ya in the end.

    R is greater than G ?
    Now I earn a lot of money in my profession.
    However I am far from the “super rich”.
    I merely fly an aircraft for a foreign person.
    BUT I can see….like Iraq R is greater than G. And that’s ya problem.

    As a “working class lad” that “made good”…. the fight will come.
    It will. There is just a spark needed.

    Maybe that spark of “Iraq! will fire back to the UK ? Maybe not.
    Maybe the “pissed on” will get really…pissed off.
    Our “Dave” is proving himself to be a “bloody idiot”. That’s okay.

    But “two bloody idiots” just makes people go…. “No….”

    How do I “think this”.
    Today Spain’s new King got a “disillusioned” hooray.

    And it won’t take long before the British people “get” that the comments of “Boris” about “Tony” were already their thoughts. They didn’t need a dickhead to “spell it out for them”.

    Times are changing….and it may be rough. Hopefully it will be rough enough.

  140. The US has told senior Iraqi officials that the Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, must leave office if it is to intervene militarily to stop the advance of Sunni extremists, The Independent has learnt.

    So we can assume Maliki might turn to the Iranians instead.

    Shades of Vietnam? Lucky the ISIS doesn’t have a Ho Chi Minh but they might have a mini General Giap after the Mosul equivalent of Dien Bien Phu

  141. Breath of fresh insight from James, thankyou.

    Agent Cameron after his SIS briefing yammered, “close down ungoverned spaces” to stop the conditions for terrorism flourishing. This might be construed as securing airports and other public transport spaces and ‘beefing up’ security and threat levels in the cold light of imminent ISI(S) covert action division paramilitary operations.

    It also means enhanced security at nuclear establishments and particularly nuclear storage… in Scotland… Faslane for instance. A terrorist attack would certainly skew the Scotland independence referendum towards ‘No’ or union – an accord essential in times of war or at least embedded in the ooze or creep towards imperium in imperio.

    So much for the Jesus inspired ‘open society’ and National Citizen Service (Hitler Youth), Agent Cameron, the passion seems to have tapered after the demise of WebCameron, the Big Society On-line Web Program.

    Yet my passion for the children in Iraq has risen warlord – so much I have dug deeper down the ‘Big Society’ rabbit hole which predictably molds and mutates into a unique source of black income, privatisation of public services and control, subjection and ultimately chains around common people.

  142. USS Liberty: We Held a Memorial Service and NOBODY Came

    ‘Impossible you say? Not so. In fact it happens every year. On June 8th of every year — the anniversary of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty — USS Liberty survivors and our families gather to hold a memorial service in Washington DC. This year it was held in the Navy Memorial.

    Members of Congress were invited to send an official representative to honor our fallen shipmates as were the Department of Defense and Navy Department, The American Legion, the Navy League and the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

    These are all organizations who never miss an opportunity to honor the American military especially those who have been Killed in Action during an attack by an enemy of the United States.

    Well, almost never.

    The Department of Defense was a no-show.

    The Navy Department was a no-show.

    The American Legion was a no-show.

    The Navy League was a no-show.

    Congress was a no-show.

    This is nothing new.

    We’ve been holding an annual memorial service in Washington, DC for decades. They’re always invited but they NEVER attend a memorial service for USS Liberty KIA. At most a ten minute drive from their offices to honor American fallen sailors and none of those organizations could be bothered to send a single official representative.’

    Well, isn’t that strange? Can’t make it out at all!

  143. The Obama version of democracy. Hopey Change was actually a Strangelove all along.

    Obama ‘to bypass Congress over Iraq’
    President Obama believes he does not need congressional approval for US action against advancing militants in Iraq, the top Senate Republican says.

    The BBC used Nick Bryant, Frank Gardner, John Simpson and Jonathan Beale in that report. Mark Urban with his maps and magic electronic marker pen must be on holiday. Are they not a bunch of predictable propagandists?

  144. YCNMIU BiBiCee this morning,

    The silly giggly Scottish weather woman wearing an even sillier BIG hat was reading out the dress code for Royal ‘Asscot’ down to the width allowed of a strap on a dress and the type of hats allowed to be worn. Definitely no fascinators.

    She was sitting on a bench in front of the grandstand painted to resemble the Union flag.

    On their business news there was good news for graduates. Macdonalds are creating 8,000 jobs over 3 years. There’s a new Amazon Fire phone. Woweee!

    That nice Mr Branson, busy taking chunks out of our NHS, is allowed to keep running the West Coast line for another 2+ years. He must have been a good boy.

    Followed by James Rubin (ex Asst Sec of State and married to CNN’s Amanpour) giving out US propaganda on Iraq. Maliki must go etc.

    Then Mr Unt came on to talk about dementia care. He is SO caring.

    Then the predictions for tonight’s match. 3-1 for Ingerland.

    All of this shit to the background of war, mayhem food banks and poverty. I switched off.

  145. s/be ‘She was sitting in front of the grandstand on a bench painted to resemble the Union flag.’

    In case you thought that the grandstand was now red, white and blue. Soon to be just red and blue?

  146. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 8:36 am

    Happily I was wrong to think Blair was returning to the UK yesterday after his tour of Kuwait, Egypt and Israel on behalf of Blair.

    He appears to be taking some time off in Marbella.

    Perhaps, having moved both George Galloway and Sir Peter Tapsell to call for his impeachment (GG has started proceedings), he wants to be near the exit when the police arrive?

  147. I know for sure that George Galloway did not vote for the war but had to check on Tapsell.

    ‘“Has 84 year old Peter Tapsell forgotten he voted for Iraq war?” the Political Scrapbook website inquired.’

    Who voted for and against.

  148. Lest we forget that this is where ISIS come from (yes, I know, the Mail !). How did they move so quickly and in such large numbers into northern Iraq? The US must have put in a bulk order for pick-up trucks to take to Jordan !

    ISIS have been created by US/Saudi. They are being armed and trained by the US in Jordan.–loads-fear-sleeper-cells-nation-wreak-terrible-revenge.html

  149. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:32 pm

    ISIS have been created by US/Saudi. They are being armed and trained by the US in Jordan.

    Hard to see why. The outcome of a successful insurgency. Maliki’s departure (as the US now want him to go) will be a forcefully unified Iraq (as the US will not countenance a breakup of this wholly artificial entity) under a strong Sunni minority government. If the government is sectarian, the US will still be fighting it. If the government is secular – meet the new Saddam. Same as the old Saddam.

    Some irony there. Irony also visible in the near-certainty that the planners of this move were almost certainly ex- Saddam Ba’athists, who have joined and probably helped organise the insurgents who were originally against the Ba’athist Assad.

    This is not simple. SOME of the ‘ISIS’ fighters may well have been trained by Americans in Jordan, some by Israel, Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi too. There are outright salafists in there, whom the US have been trying to kill for years, and, as I say, probably resurgent Saddamists, who were trained in Iraq. They’ve been waiting for an opportune moment (remember, they were allowed to go home with their arms and banned from holding public office by us?)…and here it is.

  150. I can’t agree, BZ. This is all about Syria (and hence Iran). With sufficient chaos in Iraq, they will not be able to help Syria. The US will also be able to stop any Iranian help for Syria, partly though having their proxies all over western Iraq and with the added benefit of air cover.

    The US only kill their proxies when they no longer have a use for them.

    To repeat: This is all about Syria.

  151. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 1:51 pm

    The outcome of a successful insurgency. Maliki’s departure

    Nonsense, of course. Read “The outcome of a successful insurgency including Maliki’s departure…”

  152. Not quite the Akkadian empire renaissance Mike, more:

    I – Islamic state
    S – Saud al-Faisal
    I – Insurgency
    S – Sale of arms to Iraq

  153. The geopolitical onion, Mark !

    PNAC/AIPAC is very devious, I’ll give it that.

    Good articles.

  154. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 2:17 pm

    Granted, sure, that it has for over a decade been all-but-stated US policy to destroy bring the benefits of a global market to Syria and Iran, I don’t think the US has any control over this situation and is as strategically buggered by it as Iran is. And it could equally be argued that if RG units are in Iraq to support the Shi’a (they are or soon will be), then so much the easier for Aid for Assad; the chaos being a fine excuse.

    In the very long term we are going to see Iraq as three, possibly four contiguous states only one of which has any interest in Iran, or vice versa. It would be better to accept this now, but the US will try all the available alternatives before hitting on the right one. Again.

  155. Ba'al Zevul (Armageddon My Gun)

    19 Jun, 2014 - 3:31 pm

  156. There are diversions here. Clever ones.

    Remember Father Merrin: “There is only one.”


  157. Ba'al Zevul ('Ere We Go (Back Home))

    20 Jun, 2014 - 8:26 am

    Sofia – The correct treatment for verrucas is to freeze them.

  158. guano wrote earlier about the kurd on the Beeb sounding ok with ISIS. beeb is almost orchestrating the revolution from irbil. jim muir went 50 miles to mosul, told studio u can’t go into the city, peshmerga encircle it (meaning as protection), black ISIS flags are flying & life is back to normal, (with everyone happy seemed to be his message). beeb didn’t document this. however, this guardian pic from 17 june kind of tells the story!

    Iraq crisis Q&A: what do you want to know about the Isis offensive?
    PHOTO CAPTION: Peshmerga fighters at a checkpoint outside Mosul which is currently under control of Isis militants Photograph: Sebastiano Tomada/Getty Images

    beeb’s other meme is these several thousand ISIS are about to take over Baghdad (leaving behind their conquered cities?)& people should get out now. two at the end of this piece asking for US to come in:

    VIDEO – BBC – Struggle for Iraq: ‘People desperate to leave Baghdad’

  159. BZ,

    Any chance of a Marybreak in the near future?

  160. a quick followup to my comment re peshmerga/ISIS.

    i now get the feeling the powers that be are attempting to achieve quickly in iraq what they failed to achieve in syria, namely a move on the Capital.

    lots of clues in the following highly-crafted “have your say”. love the pre-recorded baghdad resident begging ISIS to hurry up and come and save them, guest are atrocious:

    AUDIO: BBC: Have Your Say: Who are Isis?
    The advancement of Isis (the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) across northern Iraq has taken the world by surprise. They’ve taken control of Iraq’s second largest city Mosul, and is said to be advancing on the capital, Baghdad. They’re being described “as the most powerful and effective extreme jihadi group in the world,” taking over from Al Qaeda. Who are ISIS and what are their origins?

  161. Guano wrote (page 2): “Islam gives .. no beheading innocent men women and children.”

    True Islam just beheads the guilty men, guilty women and guilty children, eyy, Guano?

    Of course, once those guilty children (or men/women) are beheaded, any subsequent discussion of actual guilt and a possible appeal is somewhat academic, isn’t it?
    . . .

    Guano also : “It particularly annoys me when Jemand tries to portray this violence as part of the nature of Islam.”

    Obama might say – “It particularly annoys me when people try to portray this violence as part of the nature of American foreign policy.”

    The Quran, which you might like to acknowledge, Guano, speaks with approval of achieving many things using violence.

    People can apologise and make excuses for Islam all they like, in the same way that gun slingers apologise and make excuses for the misuse of guns.

    The failure of people to read instruction manuals and follow the law is to be expected and is, therefore, beside the point. The simple fact is that both guns and Islam are associated with unneccessary harm to society and neither should be tolerated.

  162. Careful what you wish for Jemand.

    Have you got one of those dolls with my name on it that you stick pins into because I keep getting these strange pains?

  163. Ba'al Zevul ('Ere We Go (Back Home))

    20 Jun, 2014 - 9:30 am

    Jemand –
    Habbabreak ™ works for all nuisances. Instal it, it puts up an icon on the website heading, with options to disable anyone you (dis)like. Even me. Blocking just two of the congregation vastly improves the readability and coherence of threads. I have blocked just two.

  164. Baal.

    Wise advice I know.

    I always thought Dad and his minions were old fossils.

    Time for a little Habbabreak!

  165. @Mary – yes, I do. A large one that looks like it’s hailing a cab. Is your pain in the ‘lower back’ region?

    @BZ – Thanks. I want to block everyone (including Craig) except Trowbridge. Now that guy really knows what’s going on with the whole mind-ray, laser guided earthquake thing.

  166. Belated kudos to Dreoilin.

  167. ISIS – ISIL , Balance sheets – Powerpoints – Photo-Ops in the desert – Brand new white Toyota pick up trucks cutting through Iraq swifter than a hot knife through Halva.This fascinating stage mgmt is over the top and its tricky knowing what is real anymore.
    I stopped believing in International terrorism when they began using exploding underpants and shoes.Exploding cigars would have been the way but smoking was banned on aircraft.
    So Maliki is the wrong guy and now the US want to change the regime.Heard it before !
    1st step ? To what ? Reassigning military hardware to NATO and Saudi factions in Syria ,those same friends of Syria that are not actually Syrian.This will level everything that has been left standing so far into far fairer killing fields.Erdogan is the wrong guy too,will he suffer the same fate as Maliki ?
    I listened to Obama last night rambling on about what he was going to do and not do and why.The US has at least 8 permanent bases in Iraq and countless contractors.1st step is just to legitimise what they already have. They cannot afford to have a sovereign Iraq.
    This is just more White House Hollywood for the Middle East.

  168. it’s all starting to fall into place:

    19 June – Jerusalem Post – Kurdish journalists to ‘Post’: We may fast-track push for independence
    “Kurdistan needs people like prime ministers David Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir,” Kurdish journalist says.
    Asserting that “Kurdistan needs people like former Israeli premiers Golda Meir and David Ben-Gurion – brave patriots, honest, and non-corrupted leaders,” he said that Kurds wanted to have a democratic state like Israel…
    Nechirvan Barzani, prime minister of Iraq’s autonomous Kurdish region, told the BBC in a report published Tuesday that he believed the country would break up and that Sunni radicals would continue to make territorial gains.
    Barzani said it would be “almost impossible” to return to the way things were before the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) group took the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.
    “Iraq’s disputed areas, including oil-rich Kirkuk, are under Kurdish control,” noted Aram…
    Even Turkey, which has traditionally been a staunch opponent of Kurdish nationalism, “has come to realize that not only is Kurdish independence a natural path that ultimately cannot be stopped,” but it could provide a potential strategic partner in the tumultuous Middle East…

  169. Global News Canada – Iraq crisis: What does the future hold for Kurdistan?
    By Nick Logan
    Kurdish-controlled areas of Iraq have been largely spared the country’s worsening turmoil as Islamist militants make their way further south, taking over cities and towns en route to Baghdad….
    Are Kurdish forces fighting with ISIL?
    Iraqi Kurdistan Regional Government Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani told BBC on Tuesday that peshmerga fighters would not assist Iraqi efforts to reclaim Mosul.
    “It would be a mistake to fight the ISIS at this stage,” Kurdish politician Arif Taifour told Rudaw . “We should defend our own Kurdish territories outside the Kurdistan Region and not become part of the religious fight in Iraq.”….
    But since Hussein’s fall, Iraq’s Kurdistan region thrived – largely thanks to the oil industry. It’s grown about 10 per cent annually, according to an Oct. 2013 report in the New York Times.
    International oil companies are pouring billions of dollars into Iraqi Kurdistan, home to about 45 billion barrels of oil, according to Forbes magazine.
    And the Kurds have built a new pipeline to Turkey that will eventually allow 400,000 barrels per day to flow to the Turkish port of Ceyhan….

  170. That fits.

    Jemand ‘@BZ – Thanks. I want to block everyone…..

    Talking out of your head to your hand or your mirror then? LOL

  171. Right on cue. To repeat: The latest ISIS surge is all about Syria (Iran)

  172. The state of our ‘democracy’.

    Another vitally important EDM – 156 – has been posted regarding the scandalous delays in publishing the Chilcot report. It states:

    That this House calls for publication in full of the Chilcot Inquiry report to give closure to the loved ones of the 179 UK fallen soldiers, to inform serving soldiers that Parliament’s decisions on warfare are founded on rigorous examinations of evidence and to reveal to hon. Members the full truth on the evidence for Parliament’s decision to join America’s war on Iraq in 2003; and believes that an expurgated version of the report would create an impression of an establishment cover-up by politicians and civil servants to protect their reputations.

    25 signatures. 1 Tory.

    In addition, EDM 136 requires the support of all MPs who have learned from mistakes of the past. It states:

    That this House welcomes the Fourteenth Report of Session 2013-14 from the Defence Committee on Intervention: Why, When and How?; notes the Committee’s recommendations on the role of Parliament and the importance of parliamentary approval before use of military force; stresses the need for debate on conflict decisions to ensure the approval of both Parliament and the public; further notes in particular the emerging convention that the House should have an opportunity to debate military action abroad; and calls on the Government to clarify that the convention will be applied to use of drones outside Afghanistan, whether or not they are operated from the UK and to publish a statement of criteria articulating the legal basis and circumstances in which the UK may commit to military intervention of any sort. 12 signatures.

    Says it all.

  173. So surreal, so funny but very chilling.

    Howard Aussie stooge for the Iraq war
    Harper the Canadian stooge for the Iraq war

    make identical speeches on March 18 and March 20 respectively.

    Amy comment Jemand?

  174. That nice Mr Rasnmussen (aka the Fogh of War) is kindly keeping us up to date on Ukraine whilst the equally nice Mr Obomber makes plans for more killing in Iraq, even though by proxy.

    Washington Post: Rasmussen reports new Russian troop buildup along the Ukrainian border

  175. “Amy[sic] comment Jemand?”

    On what, Mary? Your link? Or your insatiable demand for attention from those you claim are unwelcome trolls?

    I gave up visiting links you post when I discovered that, much like you, they have zero relevance and zero intellectual substance.

    How’s that ‘lower back’ pain going?

  176. No pains here but I consider you to be one of the most unpleasant of the trolls. The others we can laugh at but you spit venom which is both dangerous and hard to wash off. You are a sort of cane toad.

    And your contributions to the blog = a bit fat zero.

  177. Ba'al Zevul ('Ere We Go (Back Home))

    20 Jun, 2014 - 11:34 am

    I think this synopsis of the tormented history and current factionalism of the region SHOULD serve as a corrective to those automatically ascribing what’s going on to the US’s hegemonic* intentions. Not that they don’t have them, but they really aren’t that clever.

    * I have invented a new musical instrument – the hegemonica. It blows. And it sucks.

  178. Thanks for your stamp of approval, Mary. Knowing that you disagree with most of my observations is reassuring of their validity.

  179. Ba'al Zevul ('Ere We Go (Back Home))

    20 Jun, 2014 - 1:42 pm

    Get a room. Or Habbabreak ™

  180. Perhaps this will suit most here, except Jemand of course.

    Written by an Israeli, Uri Avnery, about another Israeli, Shimon Peres.

    Sisyphus Redeemed
    by Uri Avnery / June 20th, 2014

    If there is a God, he surely has a sense of humor. The career of Shimon Peres, who is about to finish his term as President of Israel, is clear evidence.

    Here is a life-long politician, who has never won an election. Here is the world-renowned Man of Peace, who has started several wars and never done anything for peace. Here is the most popular political figure in Israel who for most of his life was hated and despised.

    Once, several decades ago, I wrote an article about him with the title “Mr. Sisyphus”. Sisyphus, it will be remembered, was condemned for all eternity to roll a heavy rock to the top of a hill, and each time when he was nearing his goal the stone slipped from his hands and rolled down again.


    We await Mr Rivlin with interest and the Palestians await with dread.

  181. Israel orders dismantling of camera that captured murder of Palestinian boys

    On 15 May, Israeli security forces fatally shot Nadim Nuwara, 17, and Muhammad Abu al-Thahir, 16, at a demonstration near the Ofer military prison in the occupied West Bank village of Beitunia. Four days after the killings, on 19 May, Defence for Children International-Palestine (DCI-Palestine) released footage from Zayed’s security cameras that showed the boys walking slowly in a calm scene when they were shot.

    Now the Israeli military has ordered Fakher Zayed, the man whose security cameras captured the closed circuit TV footage that shows Israeli security forces shooting the two teenage boys, to dismantle his cameras within 24 hours or face legal proceedings/ (The footage and an earlier interview with Zayed can be seen in the DCI-Palestine video above.)

    No words.

  182. ‘We await Mr Rivlin with interest and the Palestians await with dread.’

    Palestinians even.

    Do you remember the maps in the old bibles printed on very thin paper where Palestine was marked in pink?

    ‘Palestine (Arabic: فلسطين‎ Filasṭīn, Falasṭīn, Filisṭīn; Greek: Παλαιστίνη, Palaistinē; Latin: Palaestina; Hebrew: פלשתינה Palestina) is a geographic region in Western Asia between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. It is sometimes considered to include adjoining territories. The name was used by Ancient Greek writers, and was later used for the Roman province Syria Palaestina, the Byzantine Palaestina Prima and the Umayyad and Abbasid province of Jund Filastin. The region is also known as the Land of Israel (Hebrew: ארץ־ישראל Eretz-Yisra’el), the Holy Land, the Southern Levant, Cisjordan, and historically has been known by other names including Canaan, Southern Syria and Jerusalem.

    Situated at a strategic location between Egypt, Syria and Arabia, and the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity, the region has a long and tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. The region has been controlled by numerous different peoples, including Ancient Egyptians, Canaanites, Israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, the Sunni Arab Caliphates, the Shia Fatimid Caliphate, Crusaders, Ayyubids, Mameluks, Ottomans, the British and modern Israelis and Palestinians.

    Boundaries of the region have changed throughout history, and were last defined in modern times by the Franco-British boundary agreement (1920) and the Transjordan memorandum of 16 September 1922, during the mandate period. Today, the region comprises the State of Israel and Palestinian territories in which the State of Palestine was declared.

    Added: ‘This article is about the historical geographic region. For the sovereign state (country), see State of Palestine. For the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, see Palestinian territories. For other uses, see Palestine (disambiguation).’

    When you go to Palestinian Territories, you read:
    Not to be confused with Palestine (region).
    This article is about the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
    For other uses, see Palestinian territories (disambiguation).’

    How very true.

  183. Jerusalem Post first to announce the de facto break-up of Iraq!
    boasts about its first oil shipment from their Kurdish friends:

    Kurdish advances
    Iraq is now divided on a de facto basis into a Shi’ite south and center, including Baghdad, a Sunni, ISIS-dominated west and a Kurdish-ruled north…
    The biggest winners from this situation, apart perhaps from ISIS itself, are the Iraqi Kurds…
    Iraq is now divided on a de facto basis into a Shi’ite south and center, including Baghdad, a Sunni, ISIS-dominated west and a Kurdish-ruled north…
    Largely ignored by the Western media, the Kurds have been quietly building their autonomy in the three northern provinces of Erbil, Sulaymaniyah and Dohuk, granted to them by the Iraqi Constitution of 2005…

    Israel receives first ever oil shipment from Iraqi Kurdistan
    The SCF Altai tanker was anchored near Ashkelon port early on Friday morning, ship tracking and industry sources said.
    A tanker delivered a cargo of disputed crude oil from Iraqi Kurdistan’s new pipeline for the first time on Friday in Israel, despite threats by Baghdad to take legal action against any buyer…
    But the new export route to the Turkish port of Ceyhan, designed to bypass Baghdad’s federal pipeline system, has created a bitter dispute over oil sale rights between the central government and the Kurds…

  184. MSM all stating today that Sistani has called on Maliki to go, but naturally that isn’t quite the story! it’s a representative simply giving the weekly sermon & calling for the constitution be followed following the recent elections. one of the problems – the president of the republic is supposed to call on the leader of the winning list to form the government, but president, Jalal al-Talbani, has been absent for over a year due to ill health.

    Reuters – Iraq Ayatollah calls for new parliament to start work without delay
    A sermon by Sistani, highest religious authority for the country’s Shi’ite Muslims, was read out by his representative Sayed Ahmed al-Saafi at the Imam Hussein shrine in Kerbala. It called for parliament to convene after Iraq’s federal court ratified election results this week.
    “The federal court ratified the results of the elections and there are timings according to the constitution to hold the session for the new parliament to choose its speaker, president and the prime minister and also to form the new government,” it said…
    According to the constitution, the parliament’s first session should be held within 15 days of the ratification of results. But Iraqi political blocs are divided over whether to hold the meeting, faced with a war against Sunni militants, who seized Mosul and other northern cities last week.

  185. As you were saying Oddie. I do not have the Murdoch paywall btw.
    This is the first para.

    The Nixon of the Middle East must go now
    Michael Burleigh
    June 21 2014

    Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq’s embattled prime minister, must be replaced before the US and allies join the fight against Isis

    The fate of Iraq hangs on the isolated, gloomy figure of Nouri al-Maliki. To western eyes, the embattled prime minister is as monochrome as an accountant, but to many Iraqis — and not just Sunnis and Kurds — he is all too colourful, though not as vividly tyrannical as Saddam Hussein and his psychopathic offspring. Even Raghad, the dictator’s eldest daughter, is urging on the Sunni Islamist armies of Isis so she can worship at Saddam’s tomb.


    Aa tells us about his prescriptions. An instant NHS saving to be made by Mr Unt in that case!

    Taking statins won’t make me a couch potato
    David Aaronovitch
    June 19 2014

    Doctors who oppose extending prescriptions of the heart pill are putting anecdote before evidence. That’s dangerous.

    At midday yesterday, in the middle of writing this, I took a break and walked down the hill to the GP’s surgery to pick up my prescription — two drugs for hypertension and one for cholesterol. The last is a statin and if the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) maintains its present stance many more of you will join me in popping one of these little fellows every night

  186. Did my eyes deceive me, or did I see the BBC’s main news last night cover civilian casualties in East Ukraine? It even mentioned the lack of water and electricity in Slavyansk.

    Careful, Auntie, that was dangerously close to balanced reporting !

    Better late than never, I suppose.

  187. Today’s Telegraph article by Charles Moore
    is worth reading for three reasons. First, it’s a well-constructed argument – even though I do not agree with it. Second,it’s a reminder that silencing Tony Blair now would contribute even less to peace now than did the removal of Saddam. Third, the House of Commons bears the heaviest responsibility for supporting Blair’s messianic folly: for those MPs who had eyes to see and ears to hear it was clear that Blair was asking them to do the wrong thing for the wrong reasons. Even an honest Chilcott enquiry – unlikely though that is – would not absolve those who allowed themselves to be conned into voting for the war.

  188. It’s much more than a deadly fiasco – it’s a massive strategic blunder.

    To think that one country can continue to play divide-and-rule policies with increasing force in an area already deeply divided is just mindlessness.

    Ultimately, the losing side will reorganize, changing the game dramatically, and the manipulators will be obliged to join in directly for fear of losing everything.

  189. First time for everything Iain Orr. I have to disagree with you about Moore’s defence of BLiar however well constructed you say his argument is. BLiar is a psychopathic war monger. End of.

    These lines made the hackles rise.

    ‘But perhaps because I am one of those who never loved Mr Blair, I do not hate him. I was unseduced, and therefore did not feel betrayed later on. This makes it easier to see that he is now being treated with a venomous, un-British unfairness.’

    And how were his victims in Iraq and Afghanistan treated?

  190. Mary – two points. First, Moore’s argument being well-constructed does not mean that it is right. As I said, I don’t think it is. But, it deserves to be treated seriously. He’s also a good polemicist in suggesting if those who are usually at daggers drawn both want to impeach Blair, they might reflect on what it is they have in common.

    Second, your argument “Blair is a psychopath – end of” is almost too strong. How did the UK political system allow a psychopath to become PM? I would not wish to hear Blair apologise: that would only confirm that psychopaths are past-masters at faking sincerity. The real apologies needed are from MPs, lawyers and journalists for their poor judgement and – for most the far more culpable crime – putting their political and material interests before respect for truth and their own consciences.

    I would like to see a medal struck to honour those who voted against invading Iraq. Tricky, however, to decide who should be asked to present them in a Parliament Square ceremony.

  191. Ba'al Zevul (Keeni-meeni)

    21 Jun, 2014 - 10:14 pm

  192. can u believe the beeb? look at the photo they use for this story!

    BBC – Israeli troops kill Palestinian in West Bank clashes
    PHOTO CAPTION The three teenagers disappeared while hitchhiking home
    He would be the third Palestinian to have died in clashes with Israeli
    troops searching for the students…
    The man shot in Nablus was named by the Palestinian security officials and
    medics as 26-year-old Ahmad Fahnawi.
    Israeli officials said he had approached soldiers in a “threatening manner”.
    His family said he had been undergoing treatment for mental illness…

    Abbas to Haaretz: Netanyahu should denounce deaths of three Palestinian teenagers
    “I do not want to make excuses, but the kidnapping occurred in Israeli-controlled Area C,” Abbas said. “In addition, the Israelis didn’t brief us on the kidnapping until 12 hours after the fact. Our security forces began to search for the hostages immediately after this.”

    in the above, netanyahu tell abbas to end alliance w/ hamas; abbas asks Netanyahu to provide evidence hamas did the kidnapping. in jerusalem post, netanyahu is now saying he’ll soon provide the evidence, yet this was the story a week ago!

    Haaretz: Al-Qaida linked organization takes responsibility for alleged kidnapping
    Dawlat al-Islam is linked to ISIS, the Sunni militant organization behind
    this week’s Iraq insurgency. Validity of claim still being investigated by
    Last November, Israeli commandos killed three members of a Salafi terror
    cell in the South Hebron Hills village of Kfar Yatta. The three were
    planning an attack on Israel, and pistols and explosive devices were found
    at the site of the operation….

  193. Israel elected to leadership of UN committee on “Decolonization”
    Just when it appeared that the United Nations could not be more ineffective in protecting Palestinian rights and holding Israel accountable for violating them, here comes the news that Israel has been elected as vice-chair of the UN Special Political and Decolonization Committee – which deals among other things with matters related to Palestinian refugees…

  194. funny how only israel reports on this angle:

    Haaretz: Kurds re-discover their old ally Israel
    Washington opposes Kurdish oil exports in principle since it detracts from Iraq’s unity, but it is unlikely the United States will object to selling oil to Israel.

  195. Zionism in practice – Israel’s Daily Toll on Palestinian Life, Limb, Liberty and Property

    24 hours to 8am 19 June 2014

    5 air strikes – 1 attack – 55 raids including home invasions – 7 beaten – 13 injured – 4 acts of agricultural/economic sabotage – 36 taken prisoner – 8 detained – 123 restrictions of movement

    Israeli air strike injures resident in Beit Lahiya
    East Jabalya farmland under Israeli Army fire
    17-year-old youth injured in Israeli Army raid on refugee camp
    Israeli troops abduct handicapped youngster
    Israeli Army home occupations – resident beaten, tear-gassed and hospitalised
    Israeli Army bulldozes 6 Palestinian homes to destruction
    More Israeli Army home invasions – 5 residents beaten and injured
    Israeli Occupation Army destroys 3 livestock shelters and a well
    Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in 5 refugee camps and 35 towns and villages

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