The Absence of Liberalism

by craig on July 11, 2014 3:17 pm in Uncategorized

The overruling of a European Court judgement to assert individual privacy, and the anti-democratic rushing of emergency legislation through parliament where no emergency exists, are the antithesis of liberalism. So of course is the jettisoning of all the Lib Dem manifesto pledges on civil liberties.

It is not news that Nick Clegg has become the poster boy for a politics utterly devoid of principle, organised purely around the desire of individual politicians for wealth and power. But even with all that background, I found Clegg’s enthusiastic ratcheting up of the fear factor over the “need” to protect us from virtually non-existent threats, utterly reprehensible.

At his press conference with Cameron, Clegg actually quoted the non-existent “liquid bomb plot to bring down multiple planes” as the reason these powers were needed. He even made a direct claim that telephone intercepts had been instrumental in “foiling” the “liquid bomb plot”. That is utterly untrue. The three men eventually convicted had indeed been under judge approved surveillance for a year. In that year, they made no reference to a plan to bring down airplanes, because there was no such plan. The only “evidence” of a plan to bring down multiple airplanes came from a Pakistani torture chamber. There never was a single liquid bomb. 90% of those arrested in the investigation were released without charge or found not guilty.

The three found guilty had done little more than boast and fantasise about being jihadis. That is not to say they were nice people. They may even have done some harm, though if Clegg were in any sense a Liberal he would not be supportive of imprisoning people in case they one day do some harm. But they had never made a liquid bomb or made a plan to bring down multiple airlines.

The point is, that while any ordinary member of the public could be forgiven for believing in the Liquid Bomb Plot, given all the lies of the mainstream media, Clegg has to be aware that he is spreading deliberate lies and propaganda to justify this “emergency legislation”.

Still more ludicrous was the failure to address the elephant in the room – Snowden’s revelation that the NSA and GCHQ indulge in vast mass surveillance, of the communications of millions of people in the UK, with absolutely no regard for the legal framework anyway.

In the last few weeks there has been a concerted effort to ratchet up the fear of the extremely remote possibility of a terrorist attack. We have seen, as first lead on the news bulletins and front page headlines, the jailing of two young men for “terrorism” for fighting in Syria, when there was no evidence of any kind that they had any intention of committing any violence in the UK. We have the absolute nonsense of the mobile phone in airports charade. We had days of the ludicrous argument that ISIS success in Iraq will cause terrorist attacks in the UK. Now we have the urgent need for this “emergency legislation”.

Why is the fear ratchet being screwed right up just now? What is this leading up to?

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  1. طيزك حمرا.

    12 Jul, 2014 - 12:59 am

    @fedup, the thing to remember is, the government doesn’t give a rat’s ass what its subject population thinks, but it’s acutely sensitive to treaty bodies, charter bodies, special procedures, arbitral panels, and case law in independent courts. So by looking at those reviews (the original documents, not media accounts) you can often map changes in government doctrine or conduct point-by-point to coordinated pressure from those bodies. The impetus from the international community is intently suppressed.

    [closed captions for the passive-aggressive provided by Ben]

  2. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    12 Jul, 2014 - 1:19 am

    two more: organophosphate-related neuropsychological-impairment

  3. Where do we find secret decoder ring for how scared the State is about treaties and such?

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    Tony

  5. طيزك حمرا.

    12 Jul, 2014 - 2:00 am

    Take torture. In specific response to Human Rights Committee review (proceedings on video and embargoed Conclusions and Recommendations circulating in draft, last I looked), you can see the outward signs of a panicked struggle inside the US government to rejig its official superior-order defense so that it gets you off the hook and hooks somebody, anybody, else. Everybody knows they’ll need a scapegoat. JSOC’s choice for scapegoat is CIA. CIA’s choice is DoJ. DoJ’s choice is POTUS. They’ll need to pick individual virgins to throw into the volcano to atone for what’s now officially defined as a crime against humanity. It won’t get decided until after the Committee Against Torture piles on in the fall.

    If I believed you were interested and not just sneering and sniping, there’s more to be said, but on like Crypto-cat, not here. But you can just sit and wait for the leaks.

  6. Ref Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    11 Jul, 2014 – 11:14 pm
    Mary re Question Time
    How many more times are you going to preface or end a useless bit of information about a BBC programme (in this case, who was on it) by saying “I did not listen” or “Glad I missed it”?
    Again the old question : what is the point??
    We might just conceivably be interested in hearing your views about something which may have been said, but why should we be interested to learn that you didn’t listen to a programme?
    ******************
    As I said before, button up a little. Just a little!

    ~~~

    The link to QT was put up specifically for those interested, like many here, in the outcome of the Scottish referendum, the involvement of the BBC in the Better Together campaign and for general information.

    As I have said before, fuck off a lot. Just a lot! You ghastly creature, that is if you are a living being.

  7. What a very strange little piece from the psychopath.
    No context. No links. He was obviously rattled.

    ‘Latest News

    Statement from the Office of Tony Blair
    Wednesday, Jul 02, 2014 in Office of Tony Blair

    The story is nonsense and we have told them so. Tony Blair is not a formal advisor to Sisi he has simply said that it is vital for Egypt, the region and the world that the new President and his Government succeed in reforming their country and taking it to a better future and that the international community supports them in doing so. He has said this publically on a number of occasions and also stated he would be happy to help galvanise that support if he can.

    This is nothing to do with ‘business opportunities’ and we have absolutely no idea what correspondence the Guardian is referring to. Let me be very clear – neither Tony Blair, nor any of his organisations have any commercial interest in Egypt, nor are they seeking business in Egypt, nor have they ever discussed doing business in Egypt. This is simply incorrect.

    What is true and we have made categorically clear is that there is no commercial interest in, and absolutely no intention to make money from, Egypt.’
    http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/statement-from-the-office-of-tony-blair/

    blair, blair, blair, blair, blair, blair, blair, blair, blair.
    That’s how many times, the name appeared in the link above. He obviously likes to see his name in print.

  8. Resident Dissident

    12 Jul, 2014 - 8:38 am

    “By the way RD, whenever you get turned over in an argument, which is most of the time, you resort to attacking those who roll you on your back.”

    Oh you mean with comments like this:

    “Stop watching MSM or reading comments by ESLO/Resident Dissident.”

    “RD, As you know I do not agree with torture whether it is the Eastern Liberation forces or Pro Kiev forces or your friends in Guantanamo and US Supermax prisons,”

  9. John Goss

    You interested in 7/7? Google: Martin ‘Abdullah’ McDaid, a former member of the SBS turned Islam convert, who worked in the bookshop in Beeston with the other alleged perps. Reportedly, he ‘did most of the talking, most of the ranting and raving; and as an ex-Marine, he knew about matters military’.

    In an in interview with the Mirror he described himself:

    ‘I’m an ex-anti-terrorist operator. I spent one and a half years with the Special Forces – with the Special Boat Service.’

    UK special forces guy becomes radical convert to Islam? How plausible is that? Perhaps he was a member of the First Battalion, Queens Own Spooky Patsy-makers

  10. Resident Dissident

    12 Jul, 2014 - 8:55 am

    “That’s how many times, the name appeared in the link above. He obviously likes to see his name in print.”

    But clearly not as many times as Mary does.

  11. Resident Dissident

    12 Jul, 2014 - 8:58 am

    I am waiting for the first theory supporting the view that Brasil’s defeat to Germany was a false flag operation.

  12. Resident Dissident

    12 Jul, 2014 - 9:12 am

  13. John Goss
    11 Jul, 2014 – 7:19 pm
    “We will kill hundreds of them for each of ours” Was that Poroshenko, Hitler or Netenyahoo?
    Whether they support them or not, Ukrainians know just what US / EU have brought back to life in Ukraine. Shame on them.

    Great to see you back aboard, all cylinders firing.

  14. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jul, 2014 - 9:18 am

    Peacewisher

    “Well…. this was considered a “best answer” on Yahoo Answer:

    “…

    Common law is a mechanism to bind people to a set of mores and traditions that statutory law is a mechanism to dictate to people how they will behave in that society whether or not it accords with their attitudes and preferences and whether or not it represents the common or majority view.

    Common law is a true expression of a democratic and fair government, Statute law is an expression of authoritarian and dictatorial government.”

    Anyone like to disagree with that final sentence?”

    ____________________

    The perils of stopping thinking at the reading of Wikipedia. In summary:

    1/. re the 1st para : the elements of common law go back many centuries (to medieval times). If, therefore, it “reflects the common attitudes and preferences agreed by or acceptable to that society”, then it reflects those of the centuries in which it arose, ie medieval times, in which it could hardly be said that democracy flourished. Representative democracy is relatively recent.

    2/. re your question to the 2nd para : in the light of what I’ve just said, it is not possible to agree with the claim in that para.

  15. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jul, 2014 - 9:32 am

    Peacewisher

    “I remember following the progress of RIP through its various stages in 2000, and al the controversy it caused along the way. But how does this “due process” of law-making fit with the current Cameron/Clegg shenanigans?”
    ____________________

    I agree that “rushing through” a bill us an undesirable phenomenon and should not happen except in the most time-critical circumstances*. It often results in defective legislation with unforeseen consequences or outcomes. My own opinion is that the current bill does not merit “rushing through”.

    However, “rushing through” does not mean that due process is not observed. It is, but all the stages of Parliamentary procedure are simply time-compressed.

    “Rushing through” is obviously facilitated when govt and opposition agree on the thrust and contents of the bill in question (you will have noticed that recourse is not being made to the guillotine procedure).
    ___________

    * an example I can think of off-hand was when an immigration bill was rushed through at the time of the expulsion of Asians from certain Eastern African countries.

  16. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jul, 2014 - 9:39 am

    Mary

    “The link to QT was put up specifically for those interested, like many here, in the outcome of the Scottish referendum, the involvement of the BBC in the Better Together campaign and for general information.”
    ________________

    “For general information”. Do you not think that this information is available in seconds for anyone interested?

    You will keep posting this sort of “general information” on here. I’m beginning to suspect that you just feel impelled to keep posting throughout the day and that anything will do.

    BTW, thanks for the “fuck off a lot” – much appreciated! 1

  17. Thanks, Habby.

    You are suggesting that modern laws are superior to medieval ones… I’m wondering what grounds you are basing that on.

    I’d be with you about representative democracy if/when it is representative. How can Emergency Legislation be representative… almost by definition it is potentially “authoritarian and dictatorial”, which may be where/why the author of the Yahoo answer chooses to use such dramatic terminology..

    The Emergency Powers Act that allows the government of the day to become dictators apparently came into being in early 1964 (!) In response, the BBC made a programme called “The War Game” which was banned, but many of us have seen at private showings over the years. This provided a scenario of what would happen if the government exerted these powers. Was there wide consultation? If even a BBC film was banned, I suggest not. I am also going to be cheeky enough to say that this legislation appeared whilst the Profumo Scandal was still having its effects, which would also be a time when the public had become suspicious of the morality of people in government.

    I wonder if the BBC will make an update version of “The War Game”… can’t see it somehow.

  18. Thanks Craig.

    “In the last few weeks there has been a concerted effort to ratchet up the fear of the extremely remote possibility of a terrorist attack.”

    Compare the phoney fear-creation program in the UK with the real fear-creation being done across the globe by the UK’s pets.

    Was Inna Kukuruza a terrorist?

    Do the geniuses who do these things really think Russian society will see the re-emergence of fascism in Europe without being gripped by deep and visceral fear and revulsion? That’s the kind of fear that mobilises the kind of grim and remorseless resistence that defeated both Hitler and Napoleon.

    The best that the Gladio merchants can hope for is brief windows of opportunity to pass a few more repressive laws in a desperate attempt to protect them from their own populations and laws.

    “Why is the fear ratchet being screwed right up just now?” Maybe because they know more and more people are finding them out and their fear level has reached their undergarments.

  19. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    12 Jul, 2014 - 9:57 am

    Our school master is making out that he is in charge here, always ready to intersperse a large news dissemination and discussion blog with his cyber stalking ways.
    As a not so learned person he must have had problems at his last few establishment posts to be marched here to do pentence to his erstwhile paymasters.

    He’s probably on a fat pension now and is ending his dubious existence in the shadow of paedophile inquieries tackling abuse during his hay days in education and a largely ignored massaker on Palestinians, a cyclical requirement of zionists that like to manufacture outrage to improve their drooping popularity figures by creasting fear and loathing en masse. You are an apolopgist for zionist murder and mayhem socket, thats sad and not clever.

    Fuck off a lot is too nice, how about fuck off and die?

  20. Rushed through? No of course not!

    Troll: “My own opinion is that the current bill does not merit “rushing through”.” LOL

    ~~~~

    Emergency data law: does UK need rushed ‘anti-terror’ bill?

    The government plans to rush through emergency data law

    Critics say new emergency data law breaches human rights – so why is the government ‘railroading’ it through?

    LAST UPDATED AT 10:42 ON Thu 10 Jul 2014

    Emergency surveillance bill a ‘stitch-up’ says Tom Watson

    The government is set to announce plans to rush through emergency legislation that will force phone and internet companies to keep records of users’ online activities as well as customers’ calls and text messages.

    Critics say that the bill presents a threat to people’s civil liberties. Below is an overview of what the bill proposes and why it is being pushed through so swiftly.

    /..

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/59392/emergency-data-law-does-uk-need-rushed-anti-terror-bill

  21. @Habby regarding “rushing through”.

    I see where you are coming from but in this case due process is about consultation, and that necessarily takes time.

    I know you like to tease all of us but can also detect your own unease in this matter – on the one hand this is reassuring but on the other hand worrying, in that you (like many of us, I suppose) don’t see it necessary to be any more than just “uneasy”, as if that will make a difference to those in government. Would the 1964 Act have been used for purposes of control if the conservatives had won the 1964 election, for example? I’m much too young to know about those times but maybe someone can shed a little light…

  22. Please don’t feed the trolls.

  23. I wanted to know what he thought about it, Mary. Not as a troll, but as a person.

  24. Fed up at 9.23 pm on 11 July: My comment was not taken from any public open source. While it was inspired by a friend sending me a copy of his letter to his MP, I amended and added a lot to that text. I’m happy for others to use or draw on my letter to Tessa Jowell in emailing their MP.

    On Phil’s points (passim) about the system being broken and the need to join the revolution, I don’t disagree but like him I’m stuck with our current clapped-out vehicle. The revolution has not yet rolled off the production line, nor has Phil provided the design specifications or addresses where I can buy into his brave new world. Most people here seem to agree with Craig’s explanation why the proposed legislation is so objectionable; and are adding to his analysis or developing related themes. That all forms part of the zeitgeist, though I’m sure that neither I nor Mary would regard writing to MPs as anything more than a rather minor contribution to public debate on this and other issues.

    So, my stand is against the Russell Brand/ Phil principled apathists and on the side of the more activist* – admittedly with some fascist leanings – Plato: “One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” (Source: The Pessimist’s Handbook,2008 p 110. Please add visual illustration of Phil as John Cleese looking down on the hoi polloi who have the temerity to comment on Craig’s blogs).
    * Activists are all proto-fascists, but in healthy societies these tendencies are kept in check by there being no legal obstacles to anyone being an activist. That’s why it’s important to prevent or dismantle this latest Home Office obstacle to freedom from state-registered snoopers and clypes.

  25. “You are suggesting that modern laws are superior to medieval ones… I’m wondering what grounds you are basing that on.”

    How about modern laws apply to everyone while medieval laws only applied to the upper classes?

    The common man, the vast majority, were effectively slaves. Had no free will and no self determination. No freedom of movement. Could not even get married without the permission of the lord. They had no rights whatsoever.

  26. Resident Dissident

    12 Jul, 2014 - 10:34 am

    “You are suggesting that modern laws are superior to medieval ones… I’m wondering what grounds you are basing that on.”

    The laws on slavery, sending children up chimneys and bear baiting come to mind.

  27. Liberalism is just a useless slogan.

  28. Ok… but those laws reflected the culture of the time, for those who did have a say. We don’t agree with child labour or cruelty to animals, but those were the norms of the day.

    The norms of the day in 2014 are based on (representative) democracy. The impending legislation is another step towards undermining such common norms through further distorting the “representative” bit.

  29. Do you have a better one, Arsalan?

  30. Slightly off-topic, but it is somewhat bizarre that the only mm outlet that properly covered yesterday’s demonstration in London was the Daily Mail:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2689465/Hundreds-pro-Palestinian-demonstrators-bring-London-traffic-standstill-protest-outside-Israeli-embassy.html

    Perhaps their motives were not as we would wish?
    (i.e. get the water cannon ready, Boris!)

  31. The day that happens Peacewisher (finding out what he thinks) it will rain blue ink. Excuse me but I have reason to be prejudiced in this matter.

  32. OK, Mary. We all have our prejudices :)

  33. “Along with interests of national security, and in preventing crime, there is this: “For the purpose of assessing or collecting any tax, duty, levy or other imposition, contribution or charge payable to a government department””

    This provision is not new. It’s to be found in the
    Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000

  34. Why is the fear ratchet being screwed right up just now? What is this leading up to?… craig

    The herd of stampeding elephants in the room, Craig, and intelligence services flexing new muscles and field testing IT Virtual Power Control. Or are y’all here of the opinion that established and Establishment spooky default services are as cowed cuckolds and mindlessly status quo dependent rather than rapid and even rabidly active and extremely stealthy revolutionary independent special operation forces?

    And whoever would one ask to know, and for it to be, however plausibly, implausibly denied, for as is being increasingly recognised and discussed here, is the System rattled by something way beyond both its practical and virtually remote command and control.

    amanfromMars 1 Sat 12 Jul 06:56 [1407120656] commenting on http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2014/07/10/google_ventures_opens_new_fund_in_london/

    Condor Flight Path for Vulture Rich Pickings/Rich Vulture Sit-Ins/Venture Capitalisation

    It has long been known, Martin S, that practise makes perfect and perfect is great practice and for Glorious Command Head Quarters and Remote Vital Virtual and Virile Virtuous Control of Global Operating Devices, on and in Dark Web Enterprises with Black Watch AIdVenturers, is it IT Par for every course.

    Is any and every bet and event move, which can be in any way perceived as being against and in aggressive negative competition to, rather than in simple surreal support with and sublime encouragement of, SMARTR Virtual Machines and InterNet Working Infrastructures …. ITs XSSXXXXoSkeleton ……. a crushing hammer blow to failing dumb systems and corrupted perverse executive administrative persons of particular and peculiar interest and/or waned influence?

    And would such be a Front Facing AI in the Virtual Field and CyberSpace Place and Forward Operating Base of MIComplexIT only the Dire Rich and Retarded Foolhardy would Dare 42 Win Win against in order to Fail Fundamentally and Crash Catastrophically in CHAOS ….. Clouds Hosting Advanced Operating Systems ……. Astute Active Alien Systems of Operation with Exotic and Erotic Universally Attractive and Addictive Projects for Man Management in a Reputable ReProgramming of Heavenly Assets and Earthly Bodies/Persons and Agencies?

    Take Care, IT’s a Mined Mind Field out there ……

    A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.

    Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.

    Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.

    This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

    In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

    We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

    Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

    In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

    Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

    The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present

    and is gravely to be regarded. ….. Dwight D. Eisenhower, 34th President of the United States

  35. We are now looking to Germany to make some kind of stand against this kind of US led fear-bombing of us.

    Imagine the UK out of the EU, and we would be left on this island with US drones; “Cameron, Clegg and Milliband.

  36. Dan Huil
    11 Jul, 2014 – 4:00 pm

    Agreed you hit pay dirt to Craig’s questions:

    Why is the fear ratchet being screwed right up just now? What is this leading up to?

    The Daily Wail harbinger is here:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2446636/Scotland-likely-suffer-catastrophic-terror-attack-achieves-independence.html

    Security at Faslane has been reinforced since my recent post:

    scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/faslane-vulnerable-to-terrorists-1-1098140

    Another 2007 Glasgow airport attack is too obvious. Scotland £24 billion oil and gas reserve pipelines are the perfect target…

  37. Resident Dissident

    12 Jul, 2014 - 12:32 pm

    @Mary
    “The absence of liberalism aka the presence of fascism.”

    Not much liberalism here in Mary’s comments from the last three threads alone. Strangely enough those leaping to Mary’s defence when anyone expresses the slightest criticism tend to ignore the bile she dispenses so liberally.

    “As I have said before, fuck off a lot. Just a lot! You ghastly creature, that is if you are a living being.”
    “Please don’t feed the trolls.”
    “Too many books, many unreadable and not enough hours in the day or months in the year to read them anyway. Stick to what you are doing Craig. Much more worthwhile.”
    ““For Heaven’s sake button up just a little!” Take your own advice why don’t you.”
    “Did he have Edwina on his lap when they watched it together? What an unlikely pairing that was.”
    “Sicko Anon is on to his usual form”
    “How disgusting to say that anyone can ‘get off’ on the killing of innocents including little children. Beyond words. Suggest a mouthwash.”
    “More useless information. Telling us what we already know except they say ‘may have’ rather than ‘have’.”
    “The empty words from the mouth of the psychopath.”
    “He (i.e.the former Archbishop of Canterbury) should have been a rabbi.”

  38. Andrew Leslie

    12 Jul, 2014 - 12:44 pm

    MJ
    At 7.24pm on 11/7 you posted that Alex. Salmond is an idiot. I asked you to elaborate, you have not done so. Why should anyone listen to your anti-SNP rants, which have no substance to support them?

  39. “MJ
    At 7.24pm on 11/7 you posted that Alex. Salmond is an idiot. I asked you to elaborate, you have not done so. Why should anyone listen to your anti-SNP rants, which have no substance to support them?”

    I have been unable to locate either of those posts.

  40. All true R2D2. How long did that silly little exercise take you?

    Most have no context and one of them was written by your best mate, the troll aka Habbabkuk. Check before you make any more slurs.

    Get a life and contribute something worthwhile here for a change.

  41. “Great to see you back aboard, all cylinders firing.”

    I needed the break Sofia. Looking forward to the next. Great cartoon by the way. No need for words.

    KOWN, will take a look. Thanks for the lead.

  42. The Dimblebores have both been in Scotland. Senior on Question Time and Junior on Any Questions from Pollokshields.

    The AQ panel is Jim Murphy – Better Together and Labour Friend of Israel, Nicola Sturgeon, deputy first minister MSP, chair of the Westminster Defence Select Committee Rory Stewart Con MP and a journalist on The Scotsman and Sunday Post, Lesley Riddoch.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b048nsnh

    Any Answers is usually a more bearable programme to listen it. It follows the AQ repeat which is being broadcast on Radio 4 at the moment. A question on the public sector strike follows one on Gaza.

  43. A local authority in Surrey has been found out in placing cameras within a council owned property on suspicion of drug dealing and handling by the residents. Dummy cameras were placed outside and the real cameras were disguised in plastic cable shielding in the building.

    A local, aged 27 and described as a ‘mobile marketer’ ie a mobile phone salesman, interviewed about the spying said: …I don’t think we’re over monitored. I’m not worried because I’m not doing anything I shouldn’t be’.

    Oh dear! The poor lad’s brain has been fried by his mobiles.

    http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/guildford-borough-council-illegally-installed-7378049

  44. They making the final preparations for the totalitarian police state. The banking crash is imminent and they plan to steal everyone’s money to pay for it. They hope to brutally repress any rebellion. My guess is that too many are awake now and they’ll have real problems getting enough idiots to put their lives on the line to keep the scum in power.

  45. Resident Dissident

    12 Jul, 2014 - 2:02 pm

    “Get a life and contribute something worthwhile here for a change.”

    You just don’t get it do you?

    BTW the quote you attribute to Habba was you quoting him. Please note the second set of inverted commas. The slurs are all your own liberal handiwork.

  46. “MJ
    At 7.24pm on 11/7 you posted that Alex. Salmond is an idiot. I asked you to elaborate, you have not done so”

    Don’t think that was me. A while back however on another thread I suggested Alex Salmond showed weakness when he did not stand up to Donald Trump and that this did not augur well for future dealings with more powerful operators such as NATO and the oil companies. I said that at the time however so no further elaboration is required I would have thought.

  47. At 7.24pm on 11/7 I responded to a suggestion that the yes campaign was winning by drawing attention to the opinion polls. Is that really an anti-SNP rant? No-one asked me to elaborate. The polls speak for themselves.

  48. So now London is threatening Scotland with devastating cyber attacks if it votes Yes in the referendum, as only it, the USA, India, China, and Russia have the capability to do so, and it would have the most likely motive for doing so then.

    Think a more devastating attack is more likely before the vote to make sure nothing is necessary after it.

  49. Andrew Leslie

    12 Jul, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    Sorry, my error, it was 2nd July at 7.31 on the Public Servce topic. But it WAS YOU.
    I asked you to elaborate on your assertion that Alex Salmond was an idiot. Surely you remember making that remark.
    An answer now would be welcome.

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jul, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    Peacewisher

    “Thanks, Habby.

    You are suggesting that modern laws are superior to medieval ones… I’m wondering what grounds you are basing that on.”
    __________________

    No, I’m saying that statute law is more modern and a response to the contemporary situation as opposed to life 700 years ago. Nothing to do with being “superior”.

    ************

    I have the sneaking suspicion that you’re not seeking to learn but merely trying to wind me up. Or just slow on the uptake? Whichever it is, if you decide to put any more “questions” I’ll leave it to someone else – perhaps an Eminence – to answer. :)

  51. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 Jul, 2014 - 3:23 pm

    “I have the sneaking suspicion that you’re not seeking to learn but merely trying to wind me up”

    Projection, is a much misunderstood concept. :)

  52. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    12 Jul, 2014 - 3:23 pm

    Anybody else get a request from 38 degrees to fill out a survey?

    “Please can you fill out this quick survey about the internet and democracy? I’ll need your thoughts by Monday. It should only take a few minutes. I want to be sure I’m speaking for as many of us as possible, not just giving my own opinions. Just click here to get started.
    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/digital-democracy-poll

    I thought the survey was designed to deliver the opinions they wanted to hear, and said so in the ‘Any other issues?’ field:

    “This survey is designed to encourage criticism of ‘digital democracy’. The questions are leading, and the field in which to record a ‘good’ communication experience with my MP is more restrictive than for a ‘bad’. The fact that my experience of communicating with my MP has been bad doesn’t blind me to the built-in bias of your survey. This survey is not designed to canvas members’ opinions – it is designed to return the opinions you want.”

     

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jul, 2014 - 3:27 pm

    Mary to Peacewisher

    “Please don’t feed the trolls.”

    Very similar to “Ba’al Zevuls”‘s plea to NeverHadAMind “pleeeze don’t respond to it”.

    Not your blog, Mary, not your blog and not your business to tell other commenters what to do.

  54. Found it. I’d forgotten about it and did not return to the thread after making my brief comment. Here it is:

    “Unfortunately, Scotland is not short of useful idiots”

    Said Vronsky, to which I replied:

    “One of them is Alex Salmond, which is very unfortunate indeed”.

    In my view Salmond has failed to face up to the currency issue, so the bankers are happy. He’s committed Scotland to the EU and as a result the Scots won’t be able to reclaim their valuable fishing grounds. He’s failed to contemplate the nationalisation of the oil-fields, so the oil campanies are happy. He’s committed to retaining the monarchy and NATO membership. He calls it independence but what’s actually on offer isn’t independence at all. All the major vested interests are happy so “useful idiot” doesn’t seem inappropriate to me.

    Hope that helps, apologies for not responding earlier.

  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jul, 2014 - 3:36 pm

    Ben

    “Projection, is a much misunderstood concept.”
    _______________

    California Ben, that must be about the zillioneth time you’ve inserted a superfluous comma between the subject and verb of your “sentences”.

    Is it ignorance, is it instinctive like a dog cocking his leg at a lamp-post or have you hit on a new way of projecting one of your gnomic utterances?

    And now go and have another smoke, you know it’ll inspire you.

  56. List of the 124 Palestinians, Including Whole Families, Killed Since Tuesday

    Saturday July 12, 2014 11:16 Saed Bannoura – IMEMC News Report post

    The following is a list of the 124 Palestinians killed by Israeli air bombardment since Tuesday, July 8th. These are the names that have been confirmed by medical sources in Gaza. An estimated 900 Palestinians have also been wounded, with some losing limbs and others disabled for life. The majority of the wounded are children, according to the Ministry of Health. All of the casualties listed below are victims of Israeli bombs dropped on Gaza since Tuesday July 8th.

    http://www.imemc.org/article/68429

  57. R2D2

    Your ‘post’ at 12.32 pm merited about 3 secs of my reading time and that was 3 too many.

    You know ‘you’re not worth it’ as the ad doesn’t say!

    Any actual contributions to this blog forthcoming from you?

  58. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 Jul, 2014 - 3:49 pm

    Yes Hab,…..======================

    *******you know it’ll inspire you_______________

    ————I noe what you mean++++

    It’s very irritating.

  59. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jul, 2014 - 3:50 pm

    Gaza today

    I wonder if anyone would agree with me that there is a strong case to be made for indicting the Hamas leadership for war crimes and violations of international humanitarian law? War crimes against against the Palestinian people in Gaza, I mean.

    The case against the LHamas leadership is that they launch indiscriminate rocket attacks against Israel from heavily civilian-populated areas in Gaza in full knowledge of, and reckless disregard for, the reprisals which they know Israel will undertake, thereby causing many deaths, including of women and children, and much human suffering among their fellow Gazans.

    Their day will surely come!

  60. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 Jul, 2014 - 3:58 pm

    Hamas will have to wait in line for any war crimes to reach the surface. The ICC moves apace glacially. This hasn’t even broken the surface yet.

    “The flour mill attack was not the most serious incident of the war: although nearly 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis were killed in just three weeks, no one died at the mill. However, because it was a civilian building producing food – the only operational mill in Gaza – the incident received particular criticism from Goldstone, who concluded that the building was hit by an air strike, the attacks were “intentional and precise”, and they were “carried out for the purpose of denying sustenance to the civilian population”. He added that the attacks violated the fourth Geneva convention and customary international law and may constitute a war crime.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/feb/01/gaza-war-report-accuses-israel

  61. “What is this leading up to”

    We are being softened up for another war, obviously. As you know war is good for business and those against that are left leaning softies. Is is sad that there are so few commentators like yourself to point out the flaws in the war logic, while there are so many like Blair, Campbell and Co. who would urge us into more senseless slaughter.

    The non-existent liquid bomb threat is all part of the agenda to keep us terrified and mutually suspicious, mutual suspicion will stop us from organising. Monitoring our communications will keep the government one step ahead of the game.

    Surely it was from that sense of suspicion that led Orwell before his death to produce the list denouncing various of his contemporaries to the secret service, an act that for me forever blights his reputation.

  62. Resident Dissident

    12 Jul, 2014 - 4:13 pm

    Habba

    The war crime Hamas undertake is in launching their rocket attacks against Israel not to mention their endorsement of suicide bombers in the past or their various human rights abuses against those Palestinian citizens who do not share their philosophy. The response by Israel goes way beyond self protection and also constitutes a war crime by any normal sense of that definition.

    I suspect that Hamas is trying to whip up things at present so as to strengthen its position within Palestine, especially given that it no longer gets much support from the Muslim Brotherhood with Egypt. Netanyahu is engaged in something similar largely because he wants to demonstrate his “strong man” credentials to those trying to outflank him on the right. The sooner this symbiotic relationship between the extremists on either side is broken the better for everyone – of course some here cannot wait for the next Intifada as they somehow believe that this sick game is the means by which they believe progress will be made, with ordinary Palestinians and Israelis just acting as dispensible pawns in their rather sick game.

  63. Mary

    For Truth and Justice

    I estimate that you must have contributed around one million comments to this blog by now, a large proportion concerned with Israel and various ideas about the Jews.

    I was wondering, could you perhaps provide us with one single comment you have made condemning Muslim violence?

    You’ll agree that Muslim violence is vastly more prevalent than Jewish violence, so it stands to reason that a self-professed human rights campaigner and believer in truth and justice will be able to produces scores of examples in response to my above question.

    Over to you.

  64. Did the USS Jimmy Carter soften up the area for an eruption and earthquake in Iceland by the USS Connecticut by hitting Japan again off Fukushima just to make sure that Tokyo stays in line too?

  65. “Did the USS Jimmy Carter soften up the area for an eruption and earthquake in Iceland by the USS Connecticut by hitting Japan again off Fukushima just to make sure that Tokyo stays in line too?”

    No.

  66. Has anybody said that Gaza was being missiled/bombed/shelled for some weeks with the pretext that Hamas was deemed guilty for the kidnapping and murder of the three illegal immigrants?

    Death might have been chosen for some of those injured. The blast injuries will be terrible as will the amputations whether by Israeli shell and shrapnel or on the operating table from necessity.

    What did the Rabbi equate one Jewish fingernail to? I think he said one thousand Arabs. No. I got it wrong. It was one million.
    http://devrolijkemoslim.blogspot.co.uk/2006/05/one-million-arabs-are-not-worth-jewish.html

  67. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 Jul, 2014 - 4:27 pm

    “What did the Rabbi equate one Jewish fingernail to? I think he said one thousand Arabs. No. I got it wrong. It was one million.”

    You don’t seem to understand how special the chosen people are, Mary.

  68. So it was just intended to keep the Japanese Defense Minister on track when he had his press conference with SoD Chuck Hagel minutes later.

  69. Resident Dissident

    12 Jul, 2014 - 4:37 pm

    “What did the Rabbi equate one Jewish fingernail to? I think he said one thousand Arabs. No. I got it wrong. It was one million.”

    Hate feeds hate – nothing new I’m afraid but some still want to play their which came first, the chicken or the egg games.

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jul, 2014 - 4:43 pm

    Resident Dissident

    Thanks for that.

    “The war crime Hamas undertake is in launching their rocket attacks against Israel not to mention their endorsement of suicide bombers in the past or their various human rights abuses against those Palestinian citizens who do not share their philosophy.”
    _____________________

    Actually I would only classify the first two of the above as war crimes – but war crimes NOT against Israel or Israelis but against Palestinians in Gaza. The Hamas leadership should be indicted for war crimes and violations of international humanitarian law against PALESTINIAN GAZANS, for the reasons I set out in my post at 15h50.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “The response by Israel goes way beyond self protection…”

    Yes, I agree, but it is meant to go beyond. It is meant to be dissuasive. The fact that despite previous experience the Hamas leadership is not dissuaded says more about the Hamas leadership than about the Israelis.

    ****************************

    Anyway, keep up the good work – the Eminences have either fallen silent or are in full flight.

  71. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jul, 2014 - 4:45 pm

    “So it was just intended to keep the Japanese Defense Minister on track when he had his press conference with SoD Chuck Hagel minutes later”
    ____________

    Again – no.

    Third time lucky?

  72. And this one is a nice example of the type too. Hate in their ‘hearts’.

    ‘This is what “Israel’s” right to exist means.

    “Cut off power to Gaza dialysis patients, Moshe Feiglin, Knesset deputy speaker urges

    “The blood of a dialysis patient in Gaza is not redder than the blood of our IDF [Israeli army] soldiers who will, God forbid, need to enter [Gaza],” said Moshe Feiglin, the deputy speaker of the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, on Wednesday.”‘

    ~~~

    Tim Llewellyn who got out of the BBC, unable to take any more of their stuff, said on Facebook. Sent by a friend –

    Have taken the liberty of copying the contextual comment from Tim Llewellyn:

    ‘Tim Llewellyn I have a cherished picture, taken in 1998, of myself and a BBC camera crew standing alongside the crippled Sheikh Yassin, the founder and then leader of Hamas. He was a visionary Palestinian, even in his terribly depleted state. What he, and his outfit Hamas, wanted and want, quite simply, is their land, the land that Britain handed over to the Zionists between 1918 and 1948. Hamas won’t succeed probably, but it’s not a bad aspiration. Gaza, a fact the BBC hasn’t mentioned for about 20 years, is 90 per cent populated by the Arabs the British and Jews threw out in 1948.

    I was lucky, and so was the BBC camera crew, that we didn’t have to wheel Sheikh Yassin’s chair too far. This old and sick man who could hardly speak or move was bl…. into smithereens by a rocket from an Israeli Apache helicopter, sitting in his wheelchair. Those nice bodyguards would have been made dust alongside him. That’s the reality of Israel. Anyone they don’t like they kill, and John Kerry and William Hague turn over restlessly but manage to get back to sleep.’

  73. So when the USS Connecticut triggers the eruption and subsequent earthquake at Hekla, the ensuing cloud and waves coming Scotland’s way will just be seen as unexpected collateral damage!

  74. This is the entity’s very own Mr Nasty to whom that quote is attributed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Feiglin

  75. doug scorgie

    12 Jul, 2014 - 5:37 pm

    Resident Dissident
    11 Jul, 2014 – 10:39 pm

    “Did anyone notice how many Russians with past or current connections to the Putin regime were involved in the recent Tory fundraising shindig?”

    Yes we did, and…?

  76. خاله ووسو

    12 Jul, 2014 - 5:40 pm

    Good plan for all those wishing help with assisted suicide.
    Return flights offered to Islamic Caliphate in Iraq. Return flight will be taken by exchange person from Iraq looking to stay alive to see another day in the UK.

  77. doug scorgie

    12 Jul, 2014 - 5:52 pm

    Resident Dissident
    12 Jul, 2014 – 9:12 am

    “For those who still harbour any illusions about Mr Galloway”

    What illusions RD?

    Explain yourself.

  78. خاله ووسو

    12 Jul, 2014 - 5:53 pm

    Good plan for YES campaigners in Scottish Independence Vote.
    If result is NO, get Kurdistan President Barzani’s son, head of Kurdish Intelligence, USUKIS Intelligence, and leaders of three exiled Islamic groups to capture Carlisle, to get ISIS to seize Scottish oilwells and sell the oil to Israel. Then advance to Birmingham.
    If the Scots had got any brains they’d have done that long ago.

  79. خاله ووسو

    12 Jul, 2014 - 5:57 pm

  80. خاله ووسو

    12 Jul, 2014 - 6:23 pm

    Good plan for Renditioners, Paedophiles, International Expense Fiddlers and International Terrorists.

    Don’t do it, then you won’t have to be ridiculed round the world for losing all the evidence.

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/3/7/1299540453752/08.03.2011-Steve-Bell-on–008.jpg

  81. The western colonialists, in past, have a long history of creating religious fanatics among the followers of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Hinduism to serve their imperial designs. Since 9/11 and 7/7, Al-Qaeda is the most famous group to serve western imperialism.

    “The truth is there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al-Qaeda. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But, there is propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive TV watchers to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US….” Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook.

    The latest “Islamic” bogey man, ISIS, according to many independent sources is nothing but an “American Apple Pie”.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/07/09/hizbullah-isis-terrorists-are-an-american-pie/

  82. According to the FBI 2006 database, 7% terrorist activities against American were carried out by Jews, while Muslims were involved in 6% terrorist activities.

    Mike to you Anon.

    http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/

  83. Israelis eating popcorn while watching Palestinians burnt alive.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/israelis-pictured-eating-popcorn-clapping-3846801

  84. Interesting interview with Jewish jazz musician, Gilad Atzmon, who reflects as Israel goes about its latest slaughtering of the innocents gig:

    “GA: I am delighted to see that more and more people including my bitterest opponents now agree with me that there is something deeply troubling in Jewish culture and ID politics. Haaretz wrote an editorial a few days ago stating that “Israel must undergo a cultural revolution.” My bitterest Palestinian opponent, Ali Abunimah, who just recently denounced me for focusing on Jewish culture, seems to have adopted my philosophy. He now points to the morbid racism inherent in Jewish culture and politics.

    And now, after praising myself and my ‘prophetic qualities,’ let me address the question. In Hebrew, the word ‘Shalom’ doesn’t mean peace, harmony or reconciliation. It means ‘security for the Jews.’ In other words, Israel does not have a proper word for peace or reconciliation. Hence it is not surprising that Israel is not a partner in peace. It can’t even contemplate the concept.”

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/07/on-israeli-defeat-and-the-future-of-jewish-politics/

  85. Resident Dissident

    12 Jul, 2014 - 7:12 pm

    @herbie

    “Haaretz wrote an editorial a few days ago stating that “Israel must undergo a cultural revolution.” ”

    Too true – but then so do the Palestinians – especially if they subscribe to your last paragraph and have such a low view of Jews/Israelis that they believe that they cannot contemplate peace.

    Mr Scorgie

    The idea was to make you think not to do the thinking for you.

  86. “And now, after praising myself and my ‘prophetic qualities,’ let me address the question. In Hebrew, the word ‘Shalom’ doesn’t mean peace, harmony or reconciliation. It means ‘security for the Jews.’ ”

    I’ve looked up the various etymologies for the word and I don’t seem to be able to find one which agrees with your definition.

  87. doug scorgie

    12 Jul, 2014 - 8:14 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 Jul, 2014 – 9:32 am

    “I agree that “rushing through” a bill is an UNDESIRABLE phenomenon and should not happen except in the most time-critical circumstances*.

    * an example I can think of off-hand was when an immigration bill was rushed through at the time of the expulsion of Asians from certain Eastern African countries.”

    So you agree, Habbabkuk, that the Commonwealth Immigrations Act 1968 was an example of a DESIRABLE phenomenon and rushing it through was a necessity of utmost importance.

    The Commonwealth Immigrants Act 1962 had stated that citizens of the UK and Colonies holding passports issued by the UK Government had the right of entry to the UK.

    The Commonwealth Immigration Act 1968 was rushed through parliament in three days. The new legislation subjected all holders of UK passports to immigration controls unless they, their parents or a grandparent had been born, adopted or naturalised in the United Kingdom.

    The legislation was a response to thousands of Kenyan Asians arriving in the UK to flee political turmoil.

    This Act took away the right of residence.

    While the people coming from Kenya had British passports, many were not patrials.

    The 1968 Act effectively revoked British citizenship and made thousands of people stateless.

    The patrial clause in the legislation meant that people from the ‘Old Commonwealth’ countries of Australia, Canada, New Zealand and South Africa would be less likely to be affected by the change, prompting critics of the legislation to say that it was racially biased in that it would only apply to non-white Commonwealth immigrants.

  88. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jul, 2014 - 8:31 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Resident Dissident
    11 Jul, 2014 – 10:39 pm

    “Did anyone notice how many Russians with past or current connections to the Putin regime were involved in the recent Tory fundraising shindig?”

    Yes we did, and…?”
    ___________________

    Let me help you once more, Doug.

    Eminences on this blog regularly castigate big donors to the Tories.

    Except when those big donors are connected with the rasPutin regime.

    Then they don’t.

    Capeesh now, Doug?

  89. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Jul, 2014 - 8:39 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    Faux-näif time followed rapidly by straw man time, eh, Doug?

    I’m acquainted with the 1962 and 1968 Acts but thanks for reminding me.

    “So you agree, Habbabkuk, that the Commonwealth Immigrations Act 1968 was an example of a DESIRABLE phenomenon and rushing it through was a necessity of utmost importance.”

    I’m agreeing with what I wrote in my first post, Doug. The 1968 Act was seen as time-critical and this is the reason why it was rushed through.

    What is it you don’t understand? Just put your question(sà and, as always, I’ll try and help you.

    ************************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  90. Iain

    You can see no alternative to our parliamnetary democracy that is not facism? Hilarious. You think the system we have is as good as it gets? Just one more tweak is all that is needed. Even more hilarious.

    For all your half baked pop, literary and philosophy sneering you are still stuck with writing letters you know will be ignored.

  91. Press Release from PCHR.

    Chapter and verse.

    On the 5th Day of the Offensive on the Gaza Strip, Israeli Warplanes Attack Civilian Facilities, Including Charities, Parks, Disabilities Rehabilitation Centers, Sport Clubs and Mosque, and Increasingly Target Houses
    http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10474:a&catid=36:pchrpressreleases&Itemid=194

    Saturday, 12 July 2014 00:00
    Ref: 81/2014

    114 Palestinians Killed, of Whom 94 Are Civilians, Including 26 Children and 18 Women, and 799 Others Wounded, Mostly Civilians, Including 249 Children and 165 Women;

    149 Houses Targeted and Destroyed

    ~~~

    Gaza is being flattened, again, and its people subjected to horror.

  92. technicolour

    12 Jul, 2014 - 9:11 pm

    There was no sneering that I could see in Iain’s posts. What actually is your alternative, Phil? I have several, by the way, but would be most interested to hear yours.

  93. technicolour

    12 Jul, 2014 - 9:19 pm

    Re: Gaza. I’m not able to do much apart from write, write to an MP, and either sing to the choir on Facebook, or inform the one person I know who seems to be rather confused about the merits of bombing a civilian population. Otherwise supporting those people inside Israel who find this as execrable as most of the UK found Iraq seems to be the only positive way to go, This is a very moving testimony:
    http://www.comhlamh.org/profile/anne-deigan-quaker-peace-social-witness-palestine/

  94. Thanks for that link Herbie to the interview with Gilad Atzmon.
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/07/on-israeli-defeat-and-the-future-of-jewish-politics/

    He is a refreshingly honest thinker and has humanity and warmth.

  95. Ex Rami Almeghari reports from Gaza

    ‘RA: As the Gaza Strip enters its eighth year of an Israeli-imposed siege and blockade that has prevented the import of basic medical supplies and medicines, Palestinian medics in Gaza are calling for immediate assistance. So far, two ambulance crew members have been injured, as ambulances have come under Israeli army fire. Dr. Ashraf al-Qidra is the spokesperson for Gaza’s health ministry.

    Dr. Ashraf al-Qidra: The type of injuries no doubt indicate that Israel has used new weapons that melt bodies. There are many holes in the bodies of dead and injured as well as dismemberment of the lower parts of the bodies, and the limbs.’

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/number-keeps-rising-dr-mona-el-farra-gaza-assault

    ~~~~~~

    Nothing would surprise me. Gaza has been used as a testing ground for new weaponry before.

  96. Cast Lead revisited. They really are a sick collection.

    This is today, not 2008/9.

    Arsalan’s link above.

    Israelis pictured eating POPCORN and clapping as they watch deadly bombardment of Gaza
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/israelis-pictured-eating-popcorn-clapping-3846801

  97. technicolour

    12 Jul, 2014 - 9:55 pm

    No, Mary, this is not representative of the Israeli people, any more than the footage spread of ‘Palestinians’ cheering at 9/11 was representative of the people in Gaza.

  98. Do you never worry about reflexively enhancing hatred, without any added psychological understanding, as a ‘peace activist’?

  99. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 Jul, 2014 - 10:08 pm

    Enhancing hatred with words beats the alternative.

    http://rt.com/news/172316-israel-knock-roof-video/

    “The IDF practice of firing a missile at a civilian home to warn the occupants to leave the building before a larger attack, has been caught on film. Amnesty International has decried “roof knocking,” saying it in no way constitutes an “effective warning.”

  100. Tec
    It is a representation of Zionism though. The belief that their race gives them a right to someone elses land.
    That they are some how superior.
    Zionism is the same idiology as Nazism.
    Nazism is actually a copy of Zionism, Alfred Rosenberg the founder of Nazism doesn’t make a secret of the fact he has copied Zionism when he founded Nazism.
    So what we see Zionist do in Israel is as accurate a dipiction of Zionists as concentration camps are of Nazis.
    Gaza is just one big concentration camp, and every now and then the Zionists cover it with fire as a means of reducing its population.
    Starvation is another means, we just not as humane.

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