Water Damage

by craig on July 10, 2014 8:29 am in Uncategorized

The FCO claim that records of extraordinary rendition flights to Diego Garcia were destroyed by water damage is an insult to all our intelligence. The FCO is refusing to say where the records were at the time, or what else was damaged in the (presumed) flood. This is of a piece with, but much more serious than, the “accidental” shredding of all Tony Blair’s parliamentary expenses claims. It is not that they expect us to believe them – they just don’t care. They have the power, and we don’t.

Just as much an insult to our intelligence is the new scheme of security measures at airports. These are all to do with maintaining the fear levels that keep the population compliant, and nothing to do with aviation security. If you have some kind of bomb inside an electronic device, you need a power source to trigger it. The last thing a bomber wants is a flat battery.

It is over twenty years now since I went on a MI6/SAS hosted course at “the Fort” near Gosport. One of the things we were shown and had explained to us, was a laptop which had been converted into a very effective bomb incorporating a slim sheet of semtex. That laptop could switch on and work absolutely normally. The laptop battery was the power source for the detonator.

Explosives detectors at airports would today pick up the semtex. That a mobile phone with no power source could be a bomb, in a way not immediately spotted by x-ray or explosives detector, is a nonsense. If you want to cause real damage on a plane, buy two one litre bottles of 50% strength premium vodka in duty free and set fire to them. You would be surprised at the extreme heat that can produce in a confined space.

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  1. Yeah, its absurd. With all this publicity they’re hardly going to use a non-working device to hide a bomb, if they ever were to begin with. If that’s your test for whether it has a bomb in it – turns on – its a recipe for 100% failure in detection.

  2. Careful, Mr Murray, they will have you for incitement.

  3. That was a good find yesterday by Dreoilin.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/07/doune-the-rabbit-hole-2/comment-page-3/#comment-465485

    ~~

    Yes watch it Craig. They will have you for incitement to create a act of terrrrrr or some such. Did anyone know that there is this swamp of terrrrrr legislation?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Acts

    and those convicted in the UK –

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_convicted_under_Anti-Terrorism_Act_in_the_United_Kingdom

    Surely that page needs updating. It ends in 2006. Or are there people being held in Belmarsh awaiting trial?

  4. In a month or so time the security tax is going up considerably, 120% in some cases in the usa.This way they get to justify the extra cost with being soooo busy.

  5. ‘This is of a piece with, but much more serious than, the “accidental” shredding of all Tony Blair’s parliamentary expenses claims. It is not that they expect us to believe them – they just don’t care. They have the power, and we don’t.’

    It’s called ‘laughing in our faces’.

  6. & dont forget this event earlier this year

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26208830

  7. Yes Minister. Prescient as so often. Or maybe they just knew very well how it all worked:

    Jim: How am I going to explain the missing documents to the Mail?
    Sir Humphrey: Well this is what we normally do in, circumstances like these. [hands over a file]
    Jim: [reading] This file contains the complete set of papers, except for a number of secret documents, a few others which are part of still active files, a few others lost in the flood of 1967. [to Humphrey] Was 1967 a particularly bad winter?
    Sir Humphrey: No a marvellous winter, we lost no end of embarrassing files.

  8. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:16 am

    I am constantly struck by the total incompetence of these bombers, and their technical naivety. I think I had better say no more.

  9. “Did anyone know that there is this swamp of terrrrrr legislation?”

    Yes me Mary. It is there, as Craig rightly says, to create fear. There is increasing legislation to protect those who dream up ‘terror’ events to make the sheeple think Muslims are an enemy, or Islamaphobia, as it is now termed. It works like this. The security services create a false flag event. Let’s assume that Lee Rigby is a fabrication of the intelligence services and a photoshop image of a smart soldier in red uniform who never existed is created, as Chris Spivey suggests.

    http://guerrillademocracy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/chris-spivey-exposes-woolwich-lee-rigby.html

    Once created the myth is kept going and parliament is kept largely in the dark with the prime minister having the last say in any connected issue. So new laws protecting the secret services (who today are more unaccountable than they have ever been) are further protected from accusations against them.

    http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5320/mi5-and-mi6-tell-mps-to-censor-key-report-on-lee-rigby-s-killers

    We have moved into a virtual world the media of which puts out so much shit every next deposit is a growing mountain of stinking effluent to cover up the last dump. “It is not that they expect us to believe them – they just don’t care. They have the power, and we don’t.”

  10. Frankly, these goings on would sit happily with anything done in the maligned states behind the Iron Curtain before 1989. Proof if any were needed that those in power don’t give a s*it. O/T I see that the Metropolitan Elite are going to investigate themselves over alleged paedophilia. Or apply the whitewash. Take your pick.

  11. Yup, they are taking the piss, and they don’t care because they don’t need to. They know a small coterie of people such as the sort who post on this blog will be incensed, but the masses will accept it all with bovine docility. They will be queuing up at the airports to say on camera how glad they are to be more secure. Frank Gardner will wear his graveyard face and talk ominously about Jihad. And the rest of us will feel like the kid in the Emperor’s New Robes. Thank God for the internet. At least now we’ve got Kid-in-Emperor’s-New-Robes support groups.

  12. The new searches are a threat to anyone carrying leaked files when they fly. I suspect that’s the real reason.

    This looks like a highly intrusive development. People will get used to surrendering their devices to security staff. What will happen to the confiscated devices? If they were confiscated on “suspicion of terrorism”, does that give the authorities powers to copy personal data from the device?

    How long until it’s announced that fully functioning devices can also be rigged with explosives, and therefore any computing device may be confiscated?

  13. Some time ago I read that on landing in Israel, passengers are told to log into their Facebook and e-mail accounts so that “security” can inspect them. Those who refuse are turned away. CCTV presumably videos the keystrokes of those who comply, recording their passwords.

  14. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 10:14 am

    If they were confiscated on “suspicion of terrorism”, does that give the authorities powers to copy personal data from the device?

    Who needs “powers” any more, Clark? And they’d have to be checked before entering the new, lucrative second-hand ipad market…er, to protect the customers.

  15. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 10:17 am

    …on landing in Israel, passengers are told to log into their Facebook and e-mail…

    Nice to know that Blair’s secret life is at least known to the Israelis. He arrived in Tel Aviv early this morning.

  16. KOWN

    If we stick with the ‘sheeple’ definition of the masses I think it works better with ‘ovine docility’ making way to extend the metaphor to us few black sheep. Baa. Baa. :)

    A classmate was attacked by a cow (not a bull) on a school cross-country run and it shredded his shorts. It shook him up a bit too. That was hardly a docile beast.

  17. “Nice to know that Blair’s secret life is at least known to the Israelis.”

    Blair’s secret life has been shredded.

  18. When people behave like sheep it is because they follow the same logic as sheep. When you are part of a herd it reduces the chances of becoming a victim. one of your unluckier comrades may be taken by the wolf instead of you. A lot of the people who automatically fall in line with the official narrative (about everything, from the (non) necessity of cuts to the demonising of Unions and their fight for social justice to what is happening in Gaza) are simply keeping their heads down and hoping not to be noticed. The fact that the NSA may be monitoring their most privately shared thoughts will ensure this reaction is reinforced. Thinking is dangerous. Don’t.

  19. “The fort”? The next time I gallop into Gosport on an expiring horse with a hat full of arrows I will know where to go. The narcissism of our security forces never ceases to depress me.

  20. Hi John,

    Nice to see you again. I know you are kidding but the fact that cows occasionally go nuts and kill people makes my analogy even better, I’d say. This is precisely why the shadowy puppetmasters spend so much time pretending that they worry for our safety, when of course all they really worry about is their own. Because occasionally the masses do wake up and go bonkers for a while, then they go back to sleep.

  21. Come to think of it, I wonder if there’s a GCHQ/NSA scheme to harvest usernames and passwords via CCTV. If there isn’t, I’d be surprised if private security companies hadn’t at least started such a scheme. Facebook implemented facial recognition on their users’ photo’s over a year ago; it should be easy to modify such software to recognise laptops, and translate the videoed keystrokes into simple text.

  22. I thought the trolls would be around to try to deal with the Lee Rigby conspiracy. Where did he go to school? Who remembers him there? On what day in July 1987 was he born? On what day was he married? Here is a funeral obituary for which nobody has taken responsibility. It says he was an avid football fan. What team? A lot of unanswered questions. And where are all the newspaper gossip pieces ‘I remember Lee’ with photos? Hmmm.

    https://www.funeralzone.co.uk/obituaries/51

  23. “Hi John,

    Nice to see you again.”

    You too KOWN. I’ve just got back from a resort in Poland, Świnoujście, devoid of Englsih speakers, a closely guarded secret, but plenty of Germans. A few cows wandered onto one of the beaches :) but it didn’t stop the mass swell of bodies cooking in their own fat. It was pigging hot!

  24. Myself:

    “Come to think of it, I wonder if there’s a GCHQ/NSA scheme to harvest usernames and passwords via CCTV”

    Airports and other travel waiting areas would be ideal for such surveillance, especially for commercial or corporate espionage, with many busy business travellers all crowded together under comprehensive CCTV coverage, and local security offices for the required computer systems. This would be highly lucrative, so it would be surprising if it hasn’t been implemented, or at least considered, by some country or company.

  25. Does water boarding usually result in water damage?

  26. If you drill down into the ban on traveling with dead batteries this new position is absurd. Logically all batteries should be banned from aircraft hand luggage as they are are a serious fire risk, either by accident or by design. The average laptop battery carries so much energy that an aircraft could be seriously imperiled.

    This is lovingly lampooned at http://xkcd.com/651/

    Its also easy to extend Craig’s point about strong vodka. What about, in addition to setting fire to the stuff, a terrorist where to then smash the bottle and use the neck as an improvised and lethal knife?

    Thanks goodness that terrorists are too stupid to realise that they already have the means to down an aircraft at their disposal.

  27. Security at airports has always been a mystery to me. The duty free anomaly is one of them.The orders which are stacked onto shelves in airports are not subjected to big security measures.They are delivered pretty much like normal goods to any retail outlet.So explosive coctails could easily be smuggled in.
    As you say Craig, not necessary as Vodka or Stroh Rum 80% would make excellent fire bombs… or you could just break some of these chunky bottles holding onto the neck for a rather nasty weapon… much worse than a box cutter.
    I was in a rush at Vienna last week and was last to the gate.It was a security check and xray at the gate.. I just threw it all on the conveyor,concentrating on getting my belt off but forgetting the lappy and the water bottle in my rucksack.It went through without anyone noticing as the security crew were chatting and joking with each other.
    This latest round of scares is to prepare us for the next false flag caused by unseen enemies using undetectable explosives.Teeing us up as it were.Just read that low grade atomic material and chemical weapon agents have fallen into the hands of the new terrorist Brand “ISIS”. Somebody mentioned that the US has given Indian names to their weapons, well it the acronyms seem to be dates for their false flag deeds. 911, 7/7.
    We’ll swallow anything. Even an airliner disappearing into thin air.

  28. No ideas about why the records of Britain’s role in the extraordinary rendition of alleged terrorists were destroyed?

    How about all the lying to Chief Constable of the GMP, Mike Todd, who had been assigned to investigate it?

    You remember him allegedly taking off his clothes on Snowdonia that bitter night while doing so, conveniently dying of hypothermia.

    Raising questions about his demise is the last thing that Britain wants now.

  29. Welcome home John.

    Rob. The grey man John Major was on the One Show last night. Told them that everybody watched Yes Minister and that meetings had to wait for him and his unlovely crew to watch the programme. Did he have Edwina on his lap when they watched it together? What an unlikely pairing that was.

    Donny Darko. You are spot on. Do you sense a FF in the air at the moment like I do?

  30. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 12:42 pm

  31. “Its also easy to extend Craig’s point about strong vodka. What about, in addition to setting fire to the stuff, a terrorist where to then smash the bottle and use the neck as an improvised and lethal knife?”

    Who knew that East End pubs were terrorist training grounds!

    Dennis Bergkamp refused to fly – a man ahead of his time.

  32. Is this yon Fort? That was 2006. Probably been flogged off by now to the highest bid from a developer like Agent Cameron’s faves here.

    Conservatives given millions by property developers

    The Conservative Party has received millions of pounds in donations from developers who stand to benefit from the Government’s controversial planning reforms, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/hands-off-our-land/8754027/Conservatives-given-millions-by-property-developers.html

    The developers are all after Surrey’s Green Belt. It is being handed over to them on a plate by corrupt Tory-led borough councils by means of ‘Local Plans’. Said Tory councillors and some Tory MPs will get the heave-ho next May with a bit of luck. The houses are never ‘affordable’ but will accommodate the Londoners flogging off their houses to rich foreigners. Many of those will stay empty. What a rotten system we are living under.

  33. Ah-that television programme. Like those one stop shops we see all around us, except in the media. Your regional outlet for the NWO.

  34. “If we stick with the ‘sheeple’ definition of the masses”

    And the useless idiot claims to be a socialist! To which particular theory does he ascribe as to how the 9/11 false flag was performed I wonder?

  35. Scare-mongering has become a good business for many corporations and agencies. Many airports in the US, Canada and Europe are equipped with “naked body” detection system marketed by Israeli firms.

    During 2012 London Olympics, British government spend nearly $1 billion on security. It even hired Israeli Mossad agents, who are well-known for creating false flag operations around the world.

    http://rehmat1.com/2011/10/26/2012-london-olympics-and-mossad/

  36. ESLO, 12:52 pm; do you accept the 9/11 Commission version, largely based upon confessions extracted under torture?

  37. ESLO

    In 2012 interview, Israeli author and radio talk-show host Barry Chamish admitted that 9/11 was carried out by American Zionist elites with active help from Israeli government.

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/08/22/israeli-jew-author-zionists-did-911/

  38. ESLO, they wend back and did MORE torture, because the 9/11 Commission asked for more “evidence”.

  39. Peter Walker, head of rescue operations on Snowdonia, has indicated that Todd’s demise was arranged by Britain’s spooks.

  40. Rehmat, a talk show host can’t make confessions on behalf of “American Zionist elites” or the Israeli government.

  41. Water damage sounds plausible. What wouldn’t, is how the water damage occurred to properly stored and maintained records. Anyone sacked for incompetence yet?

  42. “77-0. And counting”

    Be sure to make every one count, Ba’al, but do try to hide your obvious excitement. People might get the idea you don’t really care for the Palestinian people and are more interested in seeing a high death toll so as to reinforce your hatred of jews/Israelis/zionists.

  43. “People might get the idea you don’t really care for the Palestinian people and are more interested in seeing a high death toll so as to reinforce your hatred of jews/Israelis/zionists”

    Only gormless zio-idiots.

  44. And Todd’s demise was just the tip of the iceberg.

    Seems he was hoodwinked into going to Snowdonia in the expectation of what the Mahan Commission had learned about what Bertie Ahearn had corruptly down with Manchester’s Quality Street Gang to arrange the GFA – why Todd had that bottle of champagne with him to celebrate.

    And once there, he was drugged into unconsciousness, stripped of protective clothes,m and left to die, like Dr, David Kelly.

  45. finger in the dike

    10 Jul, 2014 - 2:00 pm

    On a cheerier note, here’s some exceedingly lame reasons why you have to live with pedophile toffs.

    http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/peter-singer-considers-the-merits-of-scotland-and-catalonia-s-bids-for-independence

    Super-duper influential world cosmic intellectual Peter Singer manages to write about secession without ever using the words self-determination. He avoids the legal term because the law is clear. Instead Singer regurgitates England’s arguments for No – essentially, “no one will let you determine your political status.”

    Singer’s reaching and stretching to make Kosovo a special case. To do that Singer has to ignore the relevant ICJ ruling, which affirmed that secession does not breach international law. Kosovo didn’t need a NATO hardship waiver to secede. Same goes for Scotland and Catalunia.

    He babbles some human-rights words to boost his cred but Singer wouldn’t know a widespread human rights violation if it bit him on the ass. To make his statist arguments – “You Catalans and Scots have no valid reason to secede” – Singer has to ignore systematic British and Spanish economic-rights derogations, along with British violations of the right to peace amounting to crimes of concern to the international community. Those crimes and derelictions compromise the UK’s sovereignty, and to reclaim the UK’s forgone sovereignty for the Scots, all Scotland has to do is accept the laws the UK breaks. It’s R2P, suck it.

    Singer wrings his hands about the UK losing North Sea oil money when it’s not the UK’s oil. The right to free disposition of natural wealth and resources is a right of peoples, not states. He knows that perfectly well because if he purports to to know ethics, he has read the ICESCR.

    This is not about keeping the Duchy of Savile intact. The NATO apparatchiks of Project Syndicate are panicking because the writing’s on the wall. NATO will break up like the Warsaw Pact did, and the US will break up like its twin, the USSR. It’s that or mass extinction.

  46. I don’t give a flying f about Burberry or their shareholders. I am just using this petition to highlight the gross discrepancy between the public sector workforce on strike today and what is going on in the corporate and private sector.

    ‘Unison general secretary Dave Prentis told BBC Breakfast workers had been left frustrated by pay freezes, adding that “enough is enough”. “When Cameron brought in the two-year pay freeze, our local government workers, our members, had already had a one-year pay freeze.
    “So they’ve had a three-year pay freeze and then a 1% increase when inflation has gone up by something like 20%,” he said.

    In other words the public sector is taking the brunt of the ‘cutz’.

    Burberry’s new CEO, Christopher Bailey, is set to earn £10.3 million this year alone — and now Burberry’s shareholders have had enough.

    This outrageously high pay package is not based on Bailey’s performance or the company’s progress — it just doesn’t make sense to pay him such a huge lump of money. This isn’t about logic. It’s about greed, and executives lining their pockets at all costs.

    Burberry’s shareholders are so outraged by the opulent pay package that they are preparing a protest vote and rejecting CEO pay at its annual general meeting tomorrow.

    If enough of us join these shareholders, we could rein in one of the highest CEO salaries in the UK!

    Can you tell Burberry’s shareholders to vote AGAINST this excessive CEO pay?

    The media like Sky and the BBC are demonising those on strike and a succession of creeps like Gove, Maude and Gauke are being brought on to give out the propaganda. The Tories and the media are also attempting to diminish the support for the strike by querying the numbers who voted to go on strike and who are out on strike. Also threatening to bring in legislation to make it illegal to strike. Full on fascism. No velvet gloves.

  47. Sicko Anon is on to his usual form

  48. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 2:11 pm

    No. He indicated that ‘spooks’ were present. The sequence of events is given here. The ‘spooks’ could have been anyone, including a hotel managers’ conference and plainclothes police. Evidence is needed here.

    What is oddest is the appearance of the Chinook. The usual recovery route is via the RAF, for whom Snowdon is a routine callout site. The RAF (SARF) at RAF Valley flew (and I think still flies) Sea Kings, which are ideally adapted for mountain rescue: the RAF are usually called out via the police for civilian incidents. Trying to land a Chinook during blizzard conditions on a hillside would be a lot more hazardous than winching up a body into a Sea King, and Chinooks are not based at Valley, but Odiham in Hampshire (they often visit Valley, but would not be designated for MR)

    There is certainly something unexplained here. But bearing in mind that Todd had attracted unwelcome investigation for paying his girlfriend a monster severance package (allegedly)while doublecrossing his wife, there’s no unique link to the rendition issue.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-549488/Suicide-police-chief-Why-didnt-earlier-ask-rescue-services.html

  49. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 2:14 pm

    Oh, and if I wanted to commit suicide, hypothermia is one of the better ways to go and I’d seriously consider it.

  50. Beg to differ, as Walker stated quite clearly that the usual procedure was not followed, starting with alerting rescuers what licensed vehicle Todd was driving – what was parked right outside where Walker was, and would have ignited a much bigger search to start with, and he thinks would have saved Todd’s life.

    And the rest of what you claim is just more diversion over the rendition murder.

  51. самизда́т

    10 Jul, 2014 - 2:21 pm

    NATO Pact governments can make shit up because they have absolute confidence in their censorship capacity.

    Look how far an internationally-recognized legal expert has to go to circumvent media censorship when he wants to talk about rule of law: http://larouchepac.com/node/31170

    To Larouche. Imprisoned, his associates marginalized to invisibility. No one wants to talk about the rule of law but outcasts.

    The government put Boyle himself on the no-fly list for his pains. And that’s a guy who’ll never be in charge, corked up like that. This is how suppressed the rule of law is. That’s some serious totalitarian shit.

  52. Perhaps those paedophile files were stored in the same place?

  53. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 2:36 pm

    Walker stated quite clearly that the usual procedure was not followed,

    I’m not disputing that. Am I? RTF comment. The usual procedure wasn’t followed, and nor would I expect it to be if a senior police officer – and one to which some scandal attached – were involved. And when a mountain rescue team is called-out, would it not be reasonable to assume the guy is known or believed to be off -road, rendering VOSA details superfluous? On-road, the police can handle the task. Or be reliably instructed not to, whatever you like.

    Anyway, good luck with that. We probably now know a good deal more about rendition than Todd did. RIP. Don’t forget the laser as you leave.

  54. And Walker concluded when Todd’s body was finally brought down the mountain by stretcher, there were only spooks there, not the usual uniformed personnel expected.

  55. LOL
    Top American Spy ‘Told To Leave Germany’

    By Sky News US Team

    The German government has asked the top US intelligence official in Berlin to leave the country, a Berlin lawmaker says.

    The move comes amid reports of two cases of suspected US espionage in Germany and a longer dispute over alleged NSA spying on the US ally.

    Clemens Binniger, a lawmaker from Chancellor Angela Merkel’s party, said the US intelligence official had been told he was no longer welcome in the country.

    Mr Binniger, who chairs a parliamentary committee on the intelligence services, told reporters on Thursday “the government has asked the representative of the US intelligence agencies in Germany to leave the country as a reaction to the ongoing failure to help resolve the various allegations, starting with the NSA and up to the latest incidents”.

    More follows…
    http://news.sky.com/story/1298629/top-american-spy-told-to-leave-germany

    I am sure more follows!

  56. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 2:44 pm

    Another suspicious destruction of inconvenient data. At least they don’t claim ‘accident’.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger

    “On September 15, 2005, Weldon asserted that he had identified an employee who had been ordered to destroy the 2.5 terabytes (TB) of data collected by Able Danger two years before the 9/11 attack.[“

  57. Sure we know now more about Britain’s support of America’s rendition program than Todd did because he was continually lied to about it, and threatened to get the liars for it just before he was killed.

    Reduced to personal attacks about the use of lasers by the USA in other tragedies. Pretty pathetic.

  58. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:01 pm

    Walker is/was a mountain rescue team leader. He has/had no special expertise in spotting spooks. What he saw were men in suits – highly conspicuous gear on a Welsh winter night in the country- and therefore, actually, not immediately credible as secret servicemen. Nor very likely to have just been up Snowdon and killed someone, either, It’s not suit country.

    There are anomalies in the account, I freely grant you. But not the ones you are fixated on. (And do remember that if a journalist reporting on anything other than a lost cat will generally and unintentionally get something crucial wrong.)

    Speculation is your enemy. Stick to history.

  59. doug scorgie

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:06 pm

    Trowbridge H. Ford
    10 Jul, 2014 – 11:52 am

    “You remember him allegedly taking off his clothes on Snowdonia that bitter night while doing so, conveniently dying of hypothermia.”

    Yes Trowbridge:

    Todd was reported missing by Greater Manchester Police and rescue teams from Llanberis, North Wales, started a search for him at 01:00 on 11 March 2008 after being alerted by hill walkers.

    And former British foreign secretary Robin Cook died in mysterious circumstances on Ben Stack, a mountain in Scotland, and the authorities were alerted by a group of err…hill walkers.

  60. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Isn’t that the normal means of alerting the authorities to the presence of a dead body on the hill? Who else is likely to see it?

  61. Bugger (the Panda)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    The dog ate my homework, Miss.

  62. Bugger (the Panda)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    Mary

    It is called, fuck off ’cause you have no written constitution peasant and we are supreme.

    Bi shock acoming.

  63. I have not been fixated on making out that Todd was murdered, as you will see if you link my article at the time, considering it a possible suicide, mishap or murder. Have only concluded it was murder as the scandal has festered.

    Speculation is what any real journalist and historian should start out with, as I learned during my careers as a reporter and historian.

    You are just an official hack.

  64. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:19 pm

    “if a journalist reporting on anything other than a lost cat will generally and unintentionally get something crucial wrong.”

    This is one reason we can’t have nice things. Most of them are ‘readers’ and overly paid, so they feel the compunction to breathlessly repeat the dangers from ‘terrrror’ and how proficient airport security prevents loss of revenue to various vendors who profit, and their portfolio don’t suffer. “keep shopping, keep flying” maintains the status quo.

  65. Right, Doug, and are you implying that they were the ones who started the killing process in both cases, not to forget Kelly’s too.

    Robin Cook seems to have been poisoned – what the hill walkers hurried by giving him mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.

  66. YouKnowMyName

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:30 pm

    World Bank + IMF version 2.0 being launched.

    a BRICS “New Development Bank” will be inaugurated in Fortaleza, Brazil next week; to be based in Shanghai or New Delhi; the new bank’s maximum capital set at €73 billion – compared to the current World Bank’s €163 billion.
    a new BRICS “mini-IMF” (liquidity in hard currency joint contingency pool) also around €73 billion is being established by 2015.

    According to the Chinese Vice-Minister of Foreign Affairs Li Baodong this will help the five nations, and others,
    to “become less dependent on the US dollar and fend off exchange-rate turbulence,” [news from the Lyndon LaRouche Political Action Committee, Virginia] – a fairly weird USian who the FBI claimed in 1975 was running “a violence-oriented organization of ‘revolutionary socialists’ “

    Will anyone other than ‘revolutionary socialists’ cover the post world-cup events in Brazil?

  67. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:30 pm

    You are just an official hack.

    Transference. You’re overdoing the woo factor to the extent that it is impossible that you are anything else. And I have a notion why.

  68. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:36 pm

  69. YouKnowMyName

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:42 pm

    Well Spotted, I was as surprised as you that I’d already opened a LaRouche tab earlier, the (growing) wikipedia article on the new world bank was actually the pointer to one of the only 2014 updates on this financial stuff that was planned in 2013 at the previous summit, this nonagenarian does seem to be working hard!

    to complicate matters further, here’s another excellent XKCD link, the second today https://xkcd.com/1385/

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:42 pm

    ESLO wrote

    ““77-0. And counting”

    Be sure to make every one count, Ba’al, but do try to hide your obvious excitement. People might get the idea you don’t really care for the Palestinian people and are more interested in seeing a high death toll so as to reinforce your hatred of jews/Israelis/zionists.”
    ____________________

    I’m fairly sure that he is right about the way Baal (and other Eminences) thinks. I think I made more or less the same point in connection with the conflict in Eastern Ukraine and perhaps even other matters thrown up on this blog.

    The nation’s supermarkets can be grateful for the existence of the internet and blogs like this one – mutterers in the aisles, absence of. :)

    ******************

  71. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 3:48 pm

    I bow to your seniority, but I find gems in comments; rough-cut and rarely.

  72. самизда́т

    10 Jul, 2014 - 4:29 pm

    Mai non, Ben-LA, this commenter went looking for Boyle’s latest hijinks and it showed up in Larouche links.

  73. doug scorgie

    10 Jul, 2014 - 4:31 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    10 Jul, 2014 – 3:42 pm

    ESLO wrote…
    “People might get the idea you don’t really care for the Palestinian people and are more interested in seeing a high death toll…”

    Habbabkuk wrote…
    “I’m fairly sure that he is right about the way Baal (and other Eminences) thinks.”

    I don’t remember ESLO or you Habbabkuk expressing any outrage on the killing of innocent Palestinians, perhaps you were among this crowd?

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/chanting-jerusalem-ethnicity.html

    You may, of course, be of the opinion that there is no such thing as an innocent Palestinian.

  74. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 4:41 pm

    BRICS is an interesting subject, Bukovsky. Perhaps we can discuss it on another thread.

  75. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 5:02 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “You may, of course, be of the opinion that there is no such thing as an innocent Palestinian.”
    ______________

    Are you setting up straw men again?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Habbabkuk wrote…
    “I’m fairly sure that he is right about the way Baal (and other Eminences) thinks.””
    ________________

    BTW, I’d put you in the “other Eminences” category.

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 5:03 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    BTW – which supermarkets are deprived of your mutterings? :)

  77. The BBC interviewed a random passenger, who – by chance! – trotted out a couple of times the old nostrum that “If it keeps us safe, I’m happy about it”. He added that it was most reassuring to see these people keeping us so safe.

    Other governments must not care about their citizens.

    Again, as with the potential liquid bombs, why are these potential bombs not being analysed? Just send them on their way! Don’t match up the liquids with the suspected terrorist, just abandon it! Didn’t make it through with your bomb? We’ll just post it on for you, so you can have another go. Sent by air-mail, naturally!

    Since we’re all so concerned about bombs in hand luggage, presumably nobody had considered one going off by timer. Or remote control. Or an altitude trigger. Because had such consideration been made, we should not distinguish between hand and stored luggage. At present, should one have a flat battery, just throw it in your suitcase – problem solved.

    As with the “accidentally destroyed documents”, we’re being played for fools, and the authorities are laughing in our faces. They know it’s security theatre, a farce, and they know we know it too. The real point is “what are you going to do about it?” And we have to accept the answer is nothing. This is a show of control.

  78. 1 Pilger

    Extract from his film The War you Don’t See

    (Senior BBC News producer quoted anonymously: ‘We wait in fear for the telephone call from the Israelis.’)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDutkYQF9d8#t=3872

  79. ” If you want to cause real damage on a plane, buy two one litre bottles of 50% strength premium vodka in duty free and set fire to them.”
    I think the more literal-minded muslims disapprove of alcohol too much to do buy it for any purpose.

  80. Well. would you believe it and we keep being told how wonderful everything is under the ConDems!

    Recovery Fears Return To World Stock Markets
    News from the eurozone and US combines with woes at a major Portuguese bank to prompt a sell-off.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1298559/recovery-fears-return-to-world-stock-markets

  81. there seems to be a general denial of reality syndrome that seems to have afflicted almost everyone around here.

    Those “stenographers” lucky enough to be tapped to become “the faces” of a state run broadcaster, that gets its funding from the FOC budgetary allocation (some of it) and is an institution that has a tax specifically designed for it, is an out fit for “news” dissemination. The said stenographers will not dare to rock the boat in any shape or form. The same applies to their editors, producers, managers etc. All of these groups are earning a tidy living with a good enough expenses scheme and a reasonable pension, with the added bonus of making the leap at any one point and end up as millionaires celebrities as many of the current medjia celebrities have managed.

    Why should anyone reasonably sane expect that any of the above groups to be crazy enough to kiss goodbye the cushy number start looking for truth? How far have we gone down the rabbit hole not to see/understand/sense that the “news” brought by this organ is based on it’s (information’s) relevant complaisance coordination index?

    The vox pops always return what the recipe of the day is tobe; Mad cow disease calls for a little girl eating and munching on a hamburger, and her mam singing the praises of the nutritious bounty that her daughter is munching on. Xray machines that show the details of genitals in case there is a bomb secreted in anyone’s pants calls for another nice looking beauty telling the camera it’s the best way of getting frisked because the other way was not fast enough! (what about cancer? Who cares smart alec?) Vox pops contrary to the orders of the day are never to be aired, hence the permanent state of agreement and compliance that seems to be the case in the telly land.

    Punters whom have no recourse to facts and are left at the mercy of the official compliance coordination organisations (“news organisation”). These punters find all the answers are given to them and they are told what to think? What to believe? In fact the degrees of drill down to their minds is so deep that anyone reading even this blog will come across those whom are reflecting the official narrative on matters current, verbatim! Further the convictions of the narrative regurgitators would have these verily believe; they thought it all by themselves, by researching and finding out the facts. Their informed channel surfing between the various news channels, and a few articles they have found in “news papers” are good enough basis for their “well researched and skilfully thought out thoughts”!

    In fact the pitiful regurgitations of the official narrative are the curse of this blog. That is compounded by the paid for shills who are stalking the various contributors and the blog to drown any kind of “dangerous” and “prohibited” thinking errors proscribed by the recipe of the day in an effort to reinforce the official narrative that could be coming a cropper.

    Fact is there are many of us; the poor, and destitute who are only a week away from hunger and homelessness. This is in contrast to the few numbers of the elites, that is included their relevant coterie. In any confrontation these handful could not survive despite the immense arsenals of weapons at their disposal. Hence the option of keeping each individual one of us in a state of compliance falls on keeping us satiated with stories.

    This is akin to a little boy in charge of herd of cattle, the cows could easily kill and free themselves from the tyranny of their little shepherd. Yet the cattle go on to comply with every wish of their little emperor. Cattle know no better and are bred to be compliant, with human beings it is a bit more tricky, to begin with they need to be believe in a narrative, and to be happy that they are in charge of their own actions.

    That is where the bbc et al come in , they all let you know what is happening around the world? This information which forms the basis of your thinking that has already been thought out for you.

    The fly in the ointment is blogs like this and the Internet that is rapidly being snooped on and curtailed, in fact in UK one in four sites are already filtered out, but there again you would not know that, how can you?

    Now back to watching the “news” and reading the same brain farts as prescribed by the elite and reflected in the medjia, after all free press means you have the freedom to own one

  82. The state broadcaster’s mouthpiece explains all.

    Nick Robinson: Why new data laws are being rushed in
    BBC political editor Nick Robinson explains why the government appears to be rushing though emergency powers to ensure police can continue to access phone and internet records.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28248682

  83. The term “Combating terrorism” confers on the government the status of a victim.” Jean-Claude Paye, Tülay Umay
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article171831.html

    False-victim-role-play is at the heart of all Israeli propaganda because it blurs the lines between the real victims of violence, people, and the false victims, the governments who create violence through injustice or individuals who create injustice. In both cases it is injustice that is the source of violence.

  84. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Jul, 2014 - 7:53 pm

    “False-victim-role-play is at the heart of all Israeli propaganda because it blurs the lines between the real victims of violence, people, and the false victims, the governments who create violence through injustice or individuals who create injustice. In both cases it is injustice that is the source of violence.”
    ___________________

    Yup, it’s all the old lady’s fault, she shouldn’t have been carrying a handbag with money in it when the mugger was around. She MADE him mug her!

    Idiot.

  85. Самизда́т
    Thank you for drawing our attention to Obama’s military intentions. I have been wondering what use 300 or 800 servicemen could be to Mr Maliki. You say they are special forces to guide a Libya style aerial attack on Assad and where else..?

  86. H

    Are you saying it’s too much temptation for Israel to have all those defenceless Muslims sitting in Gaza? Maybe you are right.

  87. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 8:21 pm

    Ah. The Dear Leader speaks. Fillet of platitude, spiced with the bleeding obvious, liquidised and gently spooned into the tender mouths of the Israeli public. You have to stop the poor benighted heathen thinking they are being shafted by Israel. Your peace will follow. So true. Any likelihood of Israel doing anything to that end, Tony? How about allowing exports from Gaza? You don’t have to let Israel know that it’s in multiple breach of international law and illegally occupying the West Bank while conducting massive reprisals every two years on civilians. Just pray to the gods of global commerce, eh? You know….you must….(says who, shabbat goy?)

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4541145,00.html

    C**t.

    82-0, and counting. Including the occupants of a surgically targeted beach cafe.

  88. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 8:30 pm

    And note that the first utterance on the topic by this self-inflated mercenary windbag is for the ears of his adoring Israeli public, not the Quartet whose representative he is. It took him three days to get that out – no doubt his flying visit to Zurich on the 7th necessitated prioritising important business with his accountant.

  89. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 8:43 pm

    Useful Uberidiots abound. This wasn’t a gaffe. It was the entire script for the story. Dianne Sawyer (whom Nixon called ‘that smart girl in Ziegler’s office)’ laments the deaths of Palestinians by calling them Israelis.

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/stricken-palestinians-israelis.html

  90. YouKnowMyName

    10 Jul, 2014 - 8:57 pm

    On the new DRIP “emergency” data retention: it has been commented elsewhere that although the LIBLABCON at Westminster patently don’t have enough time to consider properly and vote with informed consent – unfortunately/fortunately around ten percent of the UK population WILL soon (September) be able to think & vote, partly, about their considerations on the effect of this new ‘temporary’ terror law on our life, correspondence & liberty.

    The unwarranted headlong last minute non-transparent panic-push for DRIP might just ‘blowback’ and nudge the undecided millions into choosing the rUK and a freer Scotia? Leuk twice or ye loup ance…

    DRIP (pdf)

  91. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:06 pm

    YouKnow –

    As the form of the Bill has been stitched up collectively by the three (two? Can’t see the Libs looming very large at the next election) major parties, and given that UKIP have yet to express any opinion that favours submission either to the EU or the ECJ, the next election will probably not affect the issue in the slightest.

  92. YouKnowMyName

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:12 pm

    Sorry, I read elsewhere that DRIP – which according to the draft will be enacted in England, Wales & Scotland, might be another straw weighing on the back of the looming Scottish referendum ‘No’ campaign.

  93. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:16 pm

    And don’t forget the USS Liberty…

    “Maybe for the first time since Jewish terrorists in 1946 planted explosives in the King David Hotel, killing 91 and wounding 46 persons, and a Jewish religious student in 1995 assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in a public square in Tel Aviv, extremist elements within the Jewish Israeli society are being seen in the light that the Palestinians have been pointing out for decades. These Israelis are not only threatening Palestinians, but are now a threat to Israel’s future, no less a threat than violent Palestinian voices are to Palestine being able to realize its freedom and independence.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/10/where-violence-is-the-norm/

  94. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    10 Jul, 2014 - 9:37 pm

    Ah, misunderstood you, YouKnow. Apologies. Yes, it might, suitably presented.

  95. “Sicko Anon is on to his usual form”

    How so, Mary? It’s well documented that there was a palpable sense of disappointment around here when the Western powers chose not to bomb Syria, and it’s obvious, now, that the likes of you and Ba’al positively get off on the thought of Israel going overboard in its response to Palestinian rocket attacks. Numerous psychologists have dealt with this odd aspect of the nature of the over-politicized individual – hoping their opponents will do their worst to justify their own position. Stop cutting and pasting and do some reading!

  96. Anon, speak for yourself, if you aren’t already. I felt relieved and triumphant when the Commons voted against an attack on Syria. I’d written to my MP, reminding him of the Dodgy Dossier and the Downing Street Memo.

    The one(s) constantly arguing for attacks is/are Resident Dissident/ESLO. And the apologists for Israeli barbarity are you and Habbabkuk. So fuck off.

  97. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    10 Jul, 2014 - 10:18 pm

    ” palpable sense of disappointment”

    Must be a typo, or brainfart. Who, exactly, expressed disappointment?

  98. “It’s well documented that there was a palpable sense of disappointment around here when the Western powers chose not to bomb …”

    A couple of twits made a couple of remarks to that effect. I don’t call that “well documented”.

    So to agree with Clark, fuck off with your nonsense.

  99. I wasn’t accusing you, Clark, and I’ve never been an apologist for Israeli barbarity. I’ve written before that Israel is its own worst enemy and that frequently the treatment it metes out to the Palestinians is both brutal and inexcusable. But not blaming Israel and the Jews for all the faults of the world and not being obsessed by Israel to the detriment of all other human rights causes around the globe is obviously deemed a little bit too ‘zionist’ for some of the sadder of the sad obsessives around here.

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