Massacre Justification

by craig on August 2, 2014 10:06 am in Uncategorized

There is a concerted media ploy to change the narrative on the massacre of hundreds of women and children in Gaza, on the grounds that it is Hamas’ fault for breaking the ceasefire. The Israeli account of the ceasefire breakdown is parroted relentlessly.

I have put some effort into discovering why the ceasefire broke down, including contacting sources in Gaza itself. What is plain is that there were multiple incidents shortly after the ceasefire deadline, of violations by both sides. This is actually normal – such ceasefires usually take a few hours to take hold as fighting in hot progress and operations under way get stopped. At leasy eleven Palestinians were killed by shellfire in the first hour after the ceasefire.

The media has however focused solely on a single incident, that which featured missing Israeli Lieutenant Goldin. What appears to have happened here was that the Israelis were continuing with their destruction of tunnels, as the ceasefire provisions allowed. They came across a group of Palestinian fighters sheltered in the tunnels, and not surprisingly the Palestinian fighters did not interpret the ceasefire as meaning the Israelis could kill them but they were precluded from fighting. In the ensuing firefight some on both sides were killed and injured, while Lt. Goldin has disappeared.

Incidentally it is worth noting that my information is that Hamas’ statement that the incident was a deliberate ambush, and occurred before the ceasefire, is also untrue.

The Israelis immediately called in massive shellfire and missile attack. It is not improbable Goldin was killed or wounded in the firefight – or possibly just hiding – and he and his body destroyed by an Israeli shell or missile. It is a sad norm of warfare that sometimes there is no recognisable body.

Why we are supposed to be more concerned about Goldin than about the twenty Palestinian children who have been killed since he vanished, is beyond me. But you see, killing those children is now OK again, because Hamas broke the ceasefire. The media have a nice narrative mapped out for them – and boy, are they milking it.

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  1. Craig, what would you advise both parties if they were in a position (or willing) to sit round the table ?

    So much bad news but no solutions are ever offered.

  2. According to Hamas the clash involving Goldin wasn’t even after the ceasefire.

    “Our assessment is that one of our deployed ambushes clashed with the advancing troops. The clash started around 7:00 a.m., before the humanitarian ceasefire. ”

  3. Very true it is a sickeningly familiar pattern of “reportage” as the corporate media are becoming the PR organs of the Isreali butchers. Also an interesting development is their silence on the numbers of injured Palestinians that are numbering thousands, but seemingly are of no consequence.

    Why should there exist such an obvious and blatant bias in the twenty first century is a puzzle?

  4. It is not just that they milk the narrative. There is a clear refusal to challenge Israel spokespeople on the clear contradictions in their arguments. So the holes in the narrative are never, ever explored. It is arae to have anyone cut across an IDF spokesperson or says ‘hang on a minute’

    I had to listen to some arrogant tosspot in military uniform saying – on the BBC – that we should all be grateful that Israel did not napalm Gaza as a justification for the moral high ground. No one would come on and say that unless they had been promised an easy ride in adavance.

    When they are challenged, it comes as a shock. When Emily Maitlis challenged the odious Regev on Newsnight recently (and credit to her, I beleive she is of Jewish origin) he was clearly taken aback; this was not the norm.

  5. Je

    Yes, I have now amended my post to make plain that this bit from Hamas appears not to be true. Nor was it really an ambush, except in the sense that the fighters were concealed in the tunnel presumably to defend it. But Hamas are rather trying to portray it as an offensive operation for their own propaganda purposes.

  6. With a tiny number of weird exceptions (George Galloway) there is a strong correlation between Zionism and Unionism. I might do a post on that.

  7. 1971Thistle

    All presenters challenge Israeli spokespeople. It is stage-managed in order to give the appearance of balance. Best actor, best music, best screenplay, best script always goes to – long pause – the media!

  8. Craig

    ” But Hamas are rather trying to portray it as an offensive operation for their own propaganda purposes.”

    That’s the Israeli line. A deliberate ‘kidnapping’ launched after the deadline to exploit the ceasefire.

    “ambushes clashed with the advancing troops. ” as Hamas put it in their statement is defense. And they aren’t even claiming knowledge about his being captured.

  9. Je

    Yes, it’s a small nuance, but my information is that the preference of the Palestinians involved was not to be discovered. “Ambush” is a bit pro-active. It was continuing Israeli offensive operations that sparked the firefight. They were not, incidentally, a fringe group and they don’t have Goldin. It is of course not impossible (though unlikely) he escaped from the fighting and someone else captured him, but he wasn’t captured by those from the tunnel. Most likely is he’s been atomised by friendly fire.

  10. Guano

    Not sure I agree; mostly they just feed the a line and say ‘Action'; and off they go

    Hamas Terror

    Terror Tunnels
    Hamas Terror
    Right to self defence
    Hamas terrorists
    Human shields
    Hamas terror
    Thousanda of rockets raining down
    Hamas Terror
    Terror Tunnels
    Hamas Terror

    Until “I’m sorry, we’ve rune out of time’

  11. Hamas aren’t just not claiming knowledge of the soldier’s capture; they are specifically saying they have no knowledge of his whereabouts and that they think he was probably killed in the Zionist shelling of Rafah.

    This information is from the Palestinian Information Centre, cited to Abu Marzouk and deriving from the Hamas military organisation, the al-Qassam brigades.

    The article is the top one linked to at that site. I would post a link to the article itself, but the URL I get comes up as having so many characters that it probably includes info tracking my browsing to the article.

    Al-Qassam’s own website is at, but it has been under constant attack and is currently down.

    I think the information from Hamas is probably accurate, because

    1) capturing a Zionist gunman must surely be a major aim – no doubt an aim in the pursuit of which many Palestinian resisters’ lives have been bravely lost – and should the aim be achieved it would probably make most sense to publicise the fact, and it would certainly make sense to notify the capture to the Israelis

    2) the Zionists follow what they call a “Hannibal Directive” (which itself is usually described in heavily Zionist-spun terms – e.g. at Wikipedia – but basically it means better a Jewish body in a bodybag than a Zionist Jewish POW in Arab hands)

  12. A friend who threw off the Jewish identity tells me that “neighbour” in what Jews call the Bible and Christians call the Old Testament is a mistranslation of what actually means “Jewish neighbour”.

  13. I didn’t think that the Israelis wanted a ceasefire; their priority was and is to destroy the tunnels crossing the Israeli border. They may have agreed to it under American pressure (which they probably regarded as a nuisance), but were quite happy to abandon it as soon as a suitable excuse presented itself, so that they could complete their mission.

    The Israelis might well have agreed to another ceasefire once thye had destroyed all the tunnels thay had found that crossed the Israeli border, but now we have a complicating factor: Hadar Goldin missing in action. He may well be dead, but if not, I imagine that Hamas will use him as they did Gilad Shalit, as a ransom for the release of a large number of Palestinian prisoners.

    The deplorable situation will continue till rational dialogue between Israel and Hamas becomes possible, as it did with the PLO a generation ago. The blockade of Gaza will have to be lifted if there is to be any real progress. Maintaining Gaza like a large open prison will not ensure Israel’s long-term security, since America’s support cannot be guaranteed forever.

  14. doug scorgie

    2 Aug, 2014 - 11:14 am

    President Obama has told reporters at the White House:

    “If Hamas are serious about trying to resolve this situation, that soldier needs to be unconditionally released as soon as possible.”

    This of course gives the green light to Israel’s continued attacks.

  15. The Guardian today gives the Israel soldier’s name and shows his photograph. No names or photographs of the Palestine children killed in reprisal.

  16. doug scorgie

    2 Aug, 2014 - 11:24 am

    “Former defence minister Peter Luff (Con) said Israel’s actions were “brutal” and “difficult to justify”.


    (difficult to justify?)


    “The ex-leader of the Liberal Democrats has called Israel’s attacks on Gaza “foolish” and “disproportionate”.

    “Meanwhile, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said both sides had to act proportionately…”



    This is about as critical of Israel as it will get.

  17. doug scorgie

    2 Aug, 2014 - 11:38 am

    Abe Rene
    2 Aug, 2014 – 11:11 am

    “I didn’t think that the Israelis wanted a ceasefire; their priority was and is to destroy the tunnels crossing the Israeli border.”


    Don’t fall for that Abe. The tunnels are an excuse just like the rocket attacks, to carry out their (Israeli) offensive to “cleanse” Gaza of its population.

    The Zionists calculate that eventually the Gaza population will be on their knees begging to be moved out of the strip.

    The end justifies the means Zio style.

  18. Doug Scorgie – “This is about as critical of Israel as it will get.”

    Absolutely. They toss and turn over whether or not to dare speak some words the Israelis might find a little uncomfortable. How to couch things so they might appease the general public – but yet not offend the Israeli lobby.

    All those murdered. All those years of occupation. And they never take a single step of actual action. Its complicity. They sooner confront a nuclear superpower over Ukraine, albeit weakly – than the Israelis over their crimes in Gaza.

  19. This terrible news has broken my heart completely. She is a kind doctor who has done so much for her fellow Palestinians. I have been putting some of her messages on this blog previously. What can we say to her? We are all guilty for allowing this to go on for all these years. It has to change.

    The staff and board of the Middle East Children’s Alliance would like to extend our heartfelt condolences to our colleague Dr. Mona El-Farra, her family, and all of the Palestinian families who have lost their relatives and loved ones.

    Early this morning, Israeli tanks shelled a home in Khan Younis and killed nine members of Dr. Mona’s family including 5 children. Ten more relatives are injured and five of them are in critical condition.

    We are saddened by the very personal loss of our friend and colleague, Dr. Mona El-Farra, and by the knowledge that her relatives were killed with the full support of our government.

    Rest in peace:
    Abed Almalek Abed Al Salam El-Farra, 54 years
    Osamah Abed Almalek El-Farra, 34 years
    Awatef A’ez Eldeen El-Farra, 29 years
    Emad El-Farra, 28 years
    Mohamad Mahmoud El-Farra, 12 years
    Nadeen Mahmoud El-Farra, 9 years
    Yara Abed Al Salam El-Farra, 8 years (pictured above)
    Abed Al Rahaman El-Farra, 8 years
    Lujain Basem El-Farra, 4 years

    We spoke to Dr. Mona by phone today and she told us: “It was shocking to find out that my cousins were killed with their children and grandchildren. But my family is not different from any other family living in the Gaza Strip. This is the brutality of the Israeli occupation and we are expecting bad news all the time. Whenever there is bad news here, we ask ourselves who is next? Still, no matter how much you are prepared for this kind of bad news, it’s shocking and it hit me very hard.”

    As always, we are impressed by Dr. Mona’s huge heart and dedication to help children and families. After taking a short break to process the shock of this news, Dr. Mona went to the emergency room at the Red Crescent Society to treat patients today.

    Photos including the little ones below.

  20. Sumud. Steadfastness. Resilience.

  21. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    2 Aug, 2014 - 11:58 am

    I’m with you on this, Doug, the plan is to take back Gaza and exploit the gas reserves off the coast. For that Bibi will sacrifice thousands of Palestinian lifes as well as that of his soldiers.

    They all know for what they are going into battle for, a rogue miscreant state that is refusing to come to the table and talk to moderates such as Marwan Barghouti. So much easier to spend US dollars on arms.

    Apparently this plan was agreed before Israel agreed to the gaza concentration camp, but its hard to find any references to it. It was a meeting between Blair Bush and chirac or Sarkozy, not sure, but I remember it being a small blip in the news agenda. Something for the sleuthes.

  22. “there is a strong correlation between Zionism and Unionism.”

    My comment was just atomised by friendly fire.

    Start over. Every -ism has a Law and a Talmud, a clear,just rulebook and a twisted version that reverses the clear intention of the original Law. In the case of Zionism the Torah is misinterpreted by the Talmud.

    In the case of Unionism, the legitimacy of the Queen rests on her Protestant Fid.Def. role Defender of the Faith as head of the Anglican Church.

    Christian Law says ” Love thy neighbour ” which in the case of Scotland is changed by Talmud-style revision into ‘Kill thy neighbour and expel them to countries near or far’. Then ignite sectarian violence in those places so they forget their grievances against you.

    Islam is also misinterpreted by Islamism, but that’s off-topic. It is the job of politicians of all creeds to use the slogans of their creeds to obtain power but to twist those rules into the opposite of their intention for their own personal benefit and power.

  23. Even the Islamic University is badly damaged. There is certainly a scorched earth policy.

    The tree which is a rare sight in Gaza has been destroyed too.

  24. Lebensraum and offshore gas and an election win for Yetanyahu paid for by cornfed American money, enabled by craven media and gutless cu**s like Milliband, Cameron et al. Can we conceive a practical means with UK election coming up to get a firm chokehold on all PPCs, especially in marginal seats, and get them on the record on Gaza? People power prevented another Strangelove adventure in Syria, so we know it can work. Any ideas ? Peace & Love. Alex

  25. I guess this blog will never change. It will always reduce everything to oil and mineral resources and always pooh pooh theological ideas.

    The land previously owned by Pharaoh including Judaea was given to the Children of Israel after the crossing of the Red Sea. They were the custodians of the religion of the One God, but they found it difficult to hold onto their faith and the pleasure of God and they succumbed to false worship, black magic and violence. Then they lost their land to the Babylonians ( Kurdish ) and the Romans.

    The custodians of the religion of the One God know what lost them the pleasure of God and their response to their prophet Jesus pbuh was to introduce false worship into the religion of his followers. Their motive was prevent their sister nation from enjoying the pleasure of God.

    When their next prophet came Muhammad SAW they found themselves unable falsify its truth until they introduced the concept of blood lineage for the criteria of Caliphate, Shi’ism, instead of the criteria of adherence to the religion. They then introduced grave-worship through Shi-ism in the name of Islam and they
    made Muslims busy with philosophy and other false ideas.

    The latest assault on Islam, to deprive the Muslims of the pleasure of God, is to incite them to violence by teaching them to make Takfir, deying that another Muslim is Muslim. This process was started in Saudi Arabia 200 years ago and it has proved very useful to the Zionists, destroying the Ottoman Empire by letting some Muslims make Takfir of their Muslim rulers.

    Pictures of AlNusra Front holding up tomatoe ketchupped decapitated heads and declaring of a second Caliphate show how low the Zionist Zollywood machine is prepared to stoop in its propaganda.

    In relation to Gaza, Hizbullah is a Shi’a outfit and the Israeli are very well able to discover the entry of rockets or their components into Gaza without a war. The militant version of Islam is shortly going to win a political victory, access to the sea, access to oil development and therefore access to water.
    It has also gained land and power in Syria, armed to the teeth and blessed to the eyeballs by USUKIS power.

    Wow! But the Zionists are cutting another notch in their walking sticks because they have succeeded in writing the script for Islam as a religion of violence.

    As they do so, the people of the world makes a mental note to stay far away listening to the truth of Islam. They make a mental note in China to believe the false-flag bombs were really done by Uighers.

    If you like being conned by Israel, stay tuned to Gaza. I do not believe they would be making a Caliphate in Syria for the benefit of Islam. They intend to use the Caliphates as propaganda against Islam. They were going to use them to gain UN control of Syria – Israel – the nice guys.

    Zionism wants you to love it and believe it is the custodian of truth for ever and ever.

  26. Gaza conflict: Israel not prepared for a more sophisticated, battle-ready adversary

    Still, a decisive Israeli victory over Hamas remains elusive.

    “The question is not military, the question is what does Israel want,” said Yaakov Amidror, a retired general who served as Israel’s national security adviser until November. To bring complete quiet to Gaza would require a takeover and occupation of the territory for six months to a year, he said. Israel, which unilaterally withdrew its forces and settlements from the Gaza Strip in 2005, has little appetite to return.

    What is left, military officials say, is to create deterrence. In recent years, Israeli strategists have spoken of the “Dahiya doctrine,” referring to Israel’s flattening of the Dahiya district in Beirut, a Shiite neighborhood that housed the command-and-control headquarters of Hezbollah, during its 34-day war in Lebanon in summer 2006. The idea was to inflict such damage that the other side would decide confrontation was not worthwhile.

    Dahiya doctrine = scorched earth, clearly a war crime.

  27. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    2 Aug, 2014 - 1:22 pm

    Yes, I heard rather more than I cared to last night about Lt. Goldin. It may be that some of the relatives of the 50 or so IDF. (let alone the 1400+ Palestinian victims) known to be dead felt similarly. It’s evidence of the Israelocentric attitude which Israel would like us to, but we do not, share, It accentuates the feeling among many that Israel is asking for special treatment; that the disappearance of someone who “shouldn’t have signed up if he couldn’t take a joke,” as we used to put it, and who was at the time actively engaged in armed warfare, is exceptional and a matter for more than the usual regret when a serviceman is killed. Let alone a foreign serviceman.

    This kind of propaganda will ultimately backfire. It illustrates a mindset in which one dead Israeli can be equated in ethical terms with 100 dead Palestinians (and has been, in practical terms). What is slowly emerging into the consciousness even of moderate Zionists is that Israel smells distinctly bad to the wider world, and that its current policy is counterproductive.

  28. The land previously owned by Pharaoh including Judaea was given to the Children of Israel after the crossing of the Red Sea.

    Come again? Where do you get this data from?

    Also who are we supporting today? Your fluid allegiances have me confused, you best state who are you defending and who is the bad guys in advance on a daily basis so to avoid confusions.

  29. Craig,

    former Israeli soldiers speak out.

  30. In Prosecutor v. Nahimana, Barayagwiza, and Ngeze (the Media Case), ICTR-99-52-T, Trial Chamber I found the defendants guilty of genocide, direct and public incitement to genocide, and two crimes against humanity, persecution and extermination, for their public hate speech. As the Zionazis revert to bronze-age uggabugga frenzy they can’t help saying what they really think. It will be great fun when Mahathir Mohamad’s pesky moot court rigorously applies the Media Case principles to cement the case for Israeli genocide. The whole country is in the terminal stage when serial killers lose control and get caught. It’s Jonestown.

  31. Tom Kennedy

    2 Aug, 2014 - 1:59 pm

    Craig, I’ve noticed the similarities between Zionism and Unionism, and also with the South African apartheid state, before. The siege mentality and the pretence of victimhood by those who hold the whip hand have always struck me as a way of channeling repressed guilt.

  32. ‘At Goldstein’s funeral, Rabbi Yaacov Perrin claimed that even one million Arabs are “not worth a Jewish fingernail”. Samuel Hacohen, a teacher at a Jerusalem college, declared Goldstein the “greatest Jew alive, not in one way but in every way” and said that he was “the only one who could do it, the only one who was 100 percent perfect.’

    Krazies but bloody dangerous.

    Cave of the Patriarchs massacre

    ‘On February 25, 1994, that year’s Purim day, Goldstein entered a room in the Cave of the Patriarchs that was serving as a mosque, wearing “his army uniform with the insignia of rank, creating the image of a reserve officer on active duty.” He then opened fire, killing 29 worshippers and wounding more than 125. Mosque guard Mohammad Suleiman Abu Saleh said he thought that Goldstein was trying to kill as many people as possible and described how there were “bodies and blood everywhere”. Eventually, Goldstein was overcome and beaten to death by survivors of the massacre. According to Ian Lustick, “by mowing down Arabs he believed wanted to kill Jews, Goldstein was reenacting part of the Purim story.”‘.


    The Israelis created Hamas. But before we explore that question, let’s start with a more important one. Let’s be honest with ourselves. If we can look at the situation from beyond the confines of current political discourse, and look at the emperor without his “new” clothes, we all know that Israel does not want peace. They want all of Palestine, and their belligerent settlement practices confirm that.

    But the Israelis are taking advantage of the world’s ignorance of the realities in Palestine, and posturing as being willing to talk “peace”, only to actually stall that very peace process, so as not to interrupt the further colonization of Palestine.

    So anything that can be offered as an excuse, will be. The most convenient ploy, presented with the sycophantic assistance of the media, is that of “terrorism”.

    But the masses are naive, and fail to suspect the Machiavellian extremes that certain leaders will resort to to aggrandize their power. This includes creating a false enemy, in this case, Hamas, whereby the right-wing leadership of the Israelis can point the finger to some “enemy” to blame otehr than themselves for supposedly stalling the process.

    The use of Islamic terrorism for the political ends of Western nations is nothing new. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in 1924, the British and Americans stepped in to fill the vacuum by providing their own versions of “Islamic” leaders. This started with the creation of the Muslim Brotherhood, which was created through a grant from the British. Under British sponsorship, the Brotherhood flourished, and today represents a sizeable and powerful force in the Islamic world, but most worryingly, as the institution behind almost every act of terror in the name of Islam.

    More correctly, the Brotherhood has been a tool shared my numerous Western intelligence agencies, starting with the Nazis, followed by the CIA, but also the Russians, French, Germans and Israelis.

    Since the Truman and Eisenhower administrations, it has been a staple of foreign policy of the Cold War to exploit the Muslim Brotherhood to rally naive Muslims to reject “atheistic” Communism as an arch enemy of Islam. Ever since, the Americans and others have been able to manage the Brotherhood like a rabid dog on a leash to keep the Communist threat at bay.

    With the collapse of the Cold War however, the Brotherhood has been used for new imperial objectives, where they pose as the bogey man which the Americans can chase with their armies into the Middle East and Central Asia, starting with Iraq and Afghanistan.

    But, as NSC official Sheila Haslin explained, in a testimony at Senate hearings into illegal fund-raising activities, US policy in the region was to “promote the independence of these oil-rich countries, to in essence break Russia’s monopoly control over the transportation of oil from that region, and frankly, to promote Western energy security through diversity of supply.”

    Israel has also maintained a long-standing relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood, with its most recent manifestation being its participation in the founding of an offshoot organization, Hamas.

    According to Robert Dreyfuss, who details the US’ troubling relationship with Islamic fundamentalism, in “Devil’s Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam”:

    “And beginning in 1967 through the late 1980s, Israel helped the Muslim Brotherhood establish itself in the occupied territories. It assisted Ahmed Yassin, the leader of the Brotherhood, in creating Hamas, betting that its Islamist character would weaken the PLO.”

    According to Charles Freeman, a veteran US diplomat and former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, “Israel started Hamas. It was a project of Shin Bet [Isreali domestic intelligence agency], which had a feeling that they could use it to hem in the PLO.”

    In 1965, Yassin had been arrested by Egyptian intelligence, but after 1967, when Israel took control of the West Bank and Gaza, Yassin was freed. In 1973, under approval from Shin Bet, Yassin founded the Islamic Center, and began to establish effective control over hundreds of mosques. In 1976, Yassin created the Islamic Association, which membership branches throughout the Gaza Srip, and the movement grew.

    Israel’s formal support for Islamic fundamentalism came with the election of the right-wing Likud party. In 1978, Begin’s new government formally licensed Yassin’s Islamic Association, as part of a strategy to undermine the power of the PLO. One aspect of that strategy was the creation of the Village Leagues, over which Yassin and the Brotherhood exercised much influence. Up to 200 members of the Leagues were given paramilitary training in Israel, among whom Shin Bet recruited many paid informers.

    David Shipler, a former reporter for the New York Times, cites the Israeli military governor of Gaza as boasting that Israel expressly financed the fundamentalists against the PLO:

    “Politically speaking, Islamic fundamentalists were sometimes regarded as useful to Israel, because they had conflicts with the secular supporters of the PLO. Violence between the two groups erupted occasionally on West Bank university campuses, and the Israeli military governor of the Gaza Strip, Brigadier General Yitzhak Segev, once told me how he had financed the Islamic movement as a counterweight to the PLO and the Communists. ‘The Isreali Government gave me a budget and the military government gives to the mosques,’ he said.”

    As Dreyfuss notes, “during the 1980s, the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza and the West Bank did not support resistance to the Israeli occupation. Most of its energy went to fighting the PLO, especially its more left-wing factions, on university campuses.”

    US diplomats and CIA officials were aware that Israel was fostering Islamic fundamentalism among the Palestinians, but, as noted Martha Kessler, a senior analyst for the CIA, “we saw Israel cultivate Islam as a counterweight to Palestinian nationalism”, but neither the CIA nor the State department did anything about it.

    It was primarily Israel’s far right, Begin, Shamir and Ariel Sharon who pursued this policy. It is with them that we see the very cynical basis for the exploitation of Islamic fundamentalism in the region. This was explained by Victor Ostrovsky, a former Mossad officer who left the agency and became a strong critic, and wrote two books about the service:

    “Supporting the radical elements of Muslim fundamentalism sat well with Mossad’s general plan for the region. An Arab world run by fundamentalists would not be party to any negotiations with the West, thus leaving Israel again as the only democratic, rational country in the region. And if the Mossad could arrange for Hamas… to take over the Palestinian streets from the PLO, then the picture would be complete.”

    Very suspiciously, in 1983, Yassin was arrested by Israeli authorities, but although he was sentenced to 13 years in prison, he was released after only a year. Then in 1986-7, Yassin founded Hamas. According to Philip Wilcox, counterterrorism expert a former US ambassador who headed the US consulate in Jerusalem at the time, “there were persistent rumors that the Israeli secret service gave covert support to Hamas, because they were seen as a rival to the PLO.” Wilcox said the US officials in Jerusalem dealt “regularly and intensively” with Hamas.

    After the Palestinian uprising of 1987, the PLO accused Hamas and Yassin of acting “with the direct support of reactionary Arab regimes… in collusion with the Israeli occupation.” Yasser Arafat complained to an Italian newspaper: “Hamas is a creation of Israel, which at the time of Prime Minister Shamir, gave them money and more than 700 institutions, among them schools, universities and mosques.” Arafat also maintained that Israeli prime minister Rabin admitted to him in the presence of Hosni Mubarak that Israel had supported Hamas.

    Essentially, as analyst Ray Hannania pointed out, in “Sharon’s Terror Child”, published in Counterpunch, “undermining the peace process has always been the real target of Hamas and has played into the political ambitions of Likud. Every time Israeli and Palestinian negotiators appeared ready to take a major step forward achieving peace, an act of Hamas terrorism has scuttled the peace process and pushed the two sides apart.”

    This pattern continued throughout the shifting developments of the stalled peace process. In 2001, when the PLO secured a Hamas pledge to halt its terrorist attacks, then prime minister Ariel Sharon ordered the assassinations of one of their top officials. As Alex Fishman commented in the Israeli newspaper Yediot Achronot, “whoever gave the green light to this act of liquidation knew full well that he was thereby shattering in one blow the gentlemen’s agreement between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority”.

    In “Hamas and the Transformation of Political Islam in Palestine”, for Current History, Sara Roy wrote:

    “Some analysts maintain that while Hamas leaders are being targeted, Israel is simultaneously pursuing its old strategy of promoting Hamas over the secular nationalist factions as a way of ensuring the ultimate demise of the [Palestinian Authority], and as an effort to extinguish Palestinian nationalism once and for all.”

    Essentially, the Muslim Brotherhood, with its many manifestations like Al Qaeda and bin Laden, serve as a Samuel Goldstein of Orwell’s Nineteen-Eighty-Four, an ever-present and manufactured “terrorist” threat, used constantly as a pretext to justify repressive measures at home and expanded imperialistic objectives abroad.

    Because, despite all the rhetoric employed in the War on Terror about the threat of “political Islam”, unbeknownst to the general public, the manipulation of the Muslim Brotherhood throughout the world is still a mainstay of American foreign policy.

    According to Reuel Marc Gerecht, a former CIA officer with experience in Iraq and the Middle East, as well as a neo-conservative hardliner with the notorious American Enterprise Institute:

    Most American liberals and conservatives will strongly resist the idea that Islam’s clergymen and lay fundamentalists, who usually dislike, if not detest, the United States, Israel, and progressive causes like women’s rights, are the key to liberating the Muslim Middle East from its age-old reflexive hostility to the West. There men, not the much admired liberal Muslim secularists who are always praised and sometimes defended by the American government and press, are the United States’ most valuable potential democratic allies.”

    As Robert Dreyfuss ends his book, “the devil’s game continues.”

    This article was originally published as “Reflections on the ‘Peace Process'” on 2011-05-28.

  34. Death Toll Surges As Israel Hunts For Soldier
    Dozens are killed in fresh airstrikes as Israel hunts for a missing soldier – but Hamas say he could already be dead.

    +1,600 dead now.

  35. Rusbridger’s crowd are very interested in the Israeli ammunition. Sick.

    Are they just images to them? No back story.

  36. These lives are lost too. What a waste. For what? Israel is loathed.

  37. Mitch

    Are the conned leaders of political Islam any straighter or more enlightened than the conners in this devil’s game? They are bent as hairpins and they have millions of followers who are bent as springs.

    The game is to attract the trust of the enemies of Islam by undermining the true leaders of Islam. When they have the trust of the Zionists, they will take weapons and power from them. When they are in a strong position they will bite the hand that gave them power and establish true Islam.

    That’s the plan, but that’s not what happened in reality 100 years ago when the Kurdish conspired against Turkey for the Caliphate. Britain took Palestine and gave it to the Zionists and then carved up Kurdistan.

    Only the very, very stupid could believe the charade of Gaza, if they knew that ISIS was given the go ahead by Zionist USUKIS leaders a few mile away in Jordan.

    This is the birth pangs as they would believe of the Greater Israel. 200,000 dead in Syria, 2 million dead in Iraq, 1,400 in Gaza. It’s nothing to the Zionists.

    Craig sits catching shrimps in rockpools while the world goes by. The big question that interests me is whether the Islamo-Zionist NWO fascists are prepared to kill every single human being who has a heart and brain to see through them.

    It’s not just the innocents of Gaza who are getting in their way of masonic supremacy, it is the whole collectivity of human spirit. They are small, we are many. We have to take on board the utter duplicity of their fake news, before we ourselves become fake news. like: All the money in the banks has been stolen. Sorry, already seen that headline.

  38. Passerby

    When George Orwell wanted to fight for Spain, he tried to enlist with the communists but they wanted to brainwash him so he turned them down. later he found that there was a good deal of collusion between the fascists and Communists. The war was being played out at second, third or fourth hand by the big political players.

    I am sorry if I confuse you. This the time for confusion. We are being lied to so big time we’ve forgotten what we stand for and where we’re going. The scholars of Islam in Saudi Arabia fully understand this religion, but they are doing the opposite of Islam. So long as the guys with the big bucks are spending it the way Israel wants them to it’s hard to hold onto the truth.

    The Zionists in British politics actually think that the scholars of Islam are doing Islam by spending trillions on sectarian warfare. But the enemy of Islam is the UKUSIS they love and obey, who taught the Shi’a their deviance, not the ordinary Shi’a men women and children.

  39. conjunction

    2 Aug, 2014 - 2:59 pm

    Thankyou again Craig, for using your contacts to bring more of the truth than is generally available once again.

    Water in the desert.

  40. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    2 Aug, 2014 - 3:04 pm

    Zionism and Unionism (in the Orange Order sense) are simply ultranationalist ideologies. They attract the same sort of people and inspire the same kind of groupthink, in which questioning the ideology is discouraged by peer-group coercion. To be strictly fair, Hamas and the Provos probably have the same mindset.

  41. A history lesson of which everybody should be aware. By Ruel Pepa.

    O/T Sadly I am in the library again. My sixth computer in the last decade was brought down on Thursday, two of them brought down from the input lead overheating. Yesterday I used a friend’s computer. Today he got a message indicating that there were problems at start-up for the first time ever. I only accessed Facebook, Hotmail, My Blog and Craig Murray’s blog. Having suspicions as to who is behind it is not tantamount to proof unfortunately.

  42. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    2 Aug, 2014 - 3:21 pm

    Even Barbarians allowed the removal of the fallen from the battlefield. I can’t imagine why Israel was allowed to be in close proximity completing tunnel ops during the cease-fire, but I’m sure many were desperate to find loved ones and tend to the wounded and give some dignity to the dead, so they agreed to the flawed truce.

    That they can’t is inhuman.

  43. “there is a strong correlation between Zionism and Unionism”

    In that case and judging by the opinion polls over half of Scots are Zionists, which I doubt somehow. Even if the SNP’s official policy differs, the idea that Alex Salmond could stand up to the Israel Lobby for more than about four seconds is laughable.

  44. Resident Dissident

    2 Aug, 2014 - 4:04 pm

    “Having suspicions as to who is behind it is not tantamount to proof unfortunately.”

    Never stopped you before.

  45. Israel’s action is ‘foolish’ says Ashdown.

    Not ‘barbaric’ or ‘inhuman’.

    John Kerry’s frown cannot be far away…

    Murdering children while they sleep deserves nothing less.

    Someone on here said ask every candidate in the next election what their views of the “conflict” are. An excellent way of rooting out the apologists for genocide.

  46. Both Canada’s prime minister Stephen Harper and his gay foreign minister John Baird have come under fire for blaming Palestinian resistance Hamas for the three-week slaughter of Gaza civilians by the Jewish army. Many Muslim and Christian organizations, individuals and even the Jewish-controlled US-based Human Rights Watch (HRW) have condemned both Harper and Baird for blaming the victim party in the on-going Israeli war on Gaza.

    Anti-Israel rallies have been held in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Vancouver and several other large cities. The protestors have condemned Ottawa’s blind support for the Zionist regime.

    On July 16, the “Iranophobe” John Baird said: “Hamas will be solely to blame for any further loss of life,” and that Hamas is not interested in peace.

    The HRW in its statement said: “Baird’s comment amounts to a green light for more unlawful Israeli attacks that kill civilians.”

    “Even if Hamas broke the ceasefire (which it did not), it doesn’t make it responsible for more Israeli attacks that hits schools and hospitals or kill children on a beach. If Canada is so concerned about reaching peace, it should pressure all parties to abide by the laws of war, and demand justice for the horrible abuses that Israel have committed,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, HRW director for ME and North Africa.

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Aug, 2014 - 5:32 pm


    “Both Canada’s prime minister Stephen Harper and his gay foreign minister John Baird…”

    “gay” foreign minister?

    Relevance to the rest of your comment or indeed to anything?

  48. Demographic changes will diminish support in the US for Israel.

    On #Gaza, #Israel is losing the #Obama coalition

    Can’t happen soon enough but how long will the Palestinians have to wait is the question. Will they all be dead or exiled by then?

  49. Peacewisher

    2 Aug, 2014 - 5:39 pm

    “Blair out” (of Peace Envoy role) petition on now over 50000. But needs much more…)

    PS Is David Miliband making a pitch for this role?

  50. MJ

    Yes – one explanation is that the polls are wrong.


    To be perfectly honest, it wasn’t difficult. It wouldn’t be difficult for real journalists, if they existed.

  51. Running Orders
    Lena Khalaf Tuffaha

    They call us now.
    Before they drop the bombs.
    The phone rings
    and someone who knows my first name
    calls and says in perfect Arabic
    “This is David.”
    And in my stupor of sonic booms and glass shattering symphonies
    still smashing around in my head
    I think “Do I know any Davids in Gaza?”
    They call us now to say
    You have 58 seconds from the end of this message.
    Your house is next.
    They think of it as some kind of
    war time courtesy.
    It doesn’t matter that
    there is nowhere to run to.
    It means nothing that the borders are closed
    and your papers are worthless
    and mark you only for a life sentence
    in this prison by the sea
    and the alleyways are narrow
    and there are more human lives
    packed one against the other
    more than any other place on earth
    Just run.
    We aren’t trying to kill you.
    It doesn’t matter that
    you can’t call us back to tell us
    the people we claim to want aren’t in your house
    that there’s no one here
    except you and your children
    who were cheering for Argentina
    sharing the last loaf of bread for this week
    counting candles left in case the power goes out.
    It doesn’t matter that you have children.
    You live in the wrong place
    and now is your chance to run
    to nowhere.
    It doesn’t matter that 58 seconds
    isn’t long enough
    to find your wedding album
    or your son’s favorite blanket
    or your daughter’s almost completed college application
    or your shoes
    or to gather everyone in the house.
    It doesn’t matter what you had planned.
    It doesn’t matter who you are
    Prove you’re human.
    Prove you stand on two legs.

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Aug, 2014 - 6:08 pm


    “Demographic changes will diminish support in the US for Israel.”

    They might, but on the other hand they might not. The prospect of Jews becoming a minority in Israel proper over time might actually increase support for Israel in the US, at least in the short to medium term (in any event, that prospect would certainly be played to the limit by Israel’s supporters).

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Aug, 2014 - 6:13 pm

    @ All

    Can we PLEASE have less of the prose which is masquerading as poetry on here? We have the above, we have recently had two efforts by Mike Rosen (he wrote much better for Isis and Cherwell, but that was…prose), and there have been sundry other lamentable efforts over the past few months.

    When, oh when, will people learn that taking a long(ish) piece of prose and chopping it up into short lines does not poetry make??

    In the name of the literary canon, please desist!

  54. Posted by The Medialens Editors on August 2, 2014,

    The Murder of Gaza: a special issue of ColdType edited and designed by the brilliant Tony Sutton.

    Download your free pdf copy here:

  55. Alice Miller in Gaza
    by Anis Hamadeh / August 1st, 2014

    The researcher Alice Miller became worldwide known because of her investigations of childhood traumas. A dozen of her books is translated into thirty languages. Miller shows the mechanisms, with which victims can turn to perpetrators, and she shows the ubiquity, even the inevitability of this danger. The big hits the small who in turn will transmit it to their own children if the circle does not get interrupted. Miller (a Jewish victim herself) also examined the Nazi generation in Germany in order to understand how Germany could develop such a genocidal racism. Today, Miller’s findings are standard knowledge, and nobody questions her basic theses in principle.

    When I asked her during a small correspondence why she never wrote anything about Palestine, where Jewish victims had settled to seize the land, she answered that she would give no more interviews – it was shortly before her voluntary death. As a matter of fact, she did write something about Israel in one of her books, but she never wrote about the influence of the Nazis on the Jewish victims and never about Palestinians. When I told her about the origins of my father, she instantly thought I could interview parents of suicide bombers. The fact that Israelis, too, are prone to these psychological mechanisms, was never mentioned by Ms. Miller. She probably never even noticed that. That Jewish victims can turn to perpetrators is something that still is taboo in Germany. So Miller’s theses are valid everywhere, except for the case of Israel.


  56. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella), sorry to hurt your “Pinkness”….. but….

  57. The missing soldier is more than likely dead but he’ll still be well used by the Israeli’s, just as they used the 3 murdered students in the West Bank rampage which in turn created the rocket response which allows the carnage that we’ve observed over the last few weeks. If nothing, the Israeli’s are resourceful, very little goes to waste. Anybody seen Mark Regev lately? In case anyone hasn’t seen it, Emily Maitlis reduced him to a dithering wreck a few days ago and I haven’t seen him since.

  58. Perhaps this poem by my American half Jewish friend will go down better with our friend here who seems to be disturbed by poetry. Too many emotions aroused perhaps?

    Gary’s father was second generation Sicilian and his mother second generation Russian Jewish. His wife is Japanese.

    I love the broad sweep of history contained in this. I first read it 8 years ago and it moved me greatly.

    We are the Palestinians.

  59. Habbabkuk:

    When were you elected the spokesman/moderator and took responsibility for what ‘we’ should do and not do, see and not see?

  60. I love your avatar Andy. Bibi with his ‘bermb’ and the red line. That was in the ‘Bomb, Bomb, Iran’ days.

    Strangely Ms Ahmed asked the Mossad man earlier tonight whether a missing operative triggered a red line? Perhaps the phrase is prominent in the Israeli mindset.

    PS Let’s not forget about Bibi’s many real ‘bermbs’ of the nuclear variety and Mordechai Vanunu still under house arrest all these years later for exposing some truths.

  61. Habacluck-since when have you been an arbiter of poetry? Have you ever read any? Proper poetry I mean-Hugh MacDiarmid, R.S. Thomas, William Soutar, Ezra Pound? Thought not. You know about as much about it as you do about War Crimes.

  62. O/T

    Royal Navy ‘To Rescue Britons From Libya’

    Any comment from Smoothface as his finest hour goes horribly wrong? No. Probably not. Hope everyone misses anyway it and all the troughers are away for six weeks now anyway.

  63. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    2 Aug, 2014 - 8:13 pm

    OT; I note at the arrival of the Dr/Patient at the hospital was attended by healthcare workers with hazmat suits including independent oxygen supply. If it’s not airborne, why is this?

    Ebola coming to a hospital or theater near you.

  64. Thanks Mary, I just thought I’d have a little change because I like this avatar too. It’s good to see you back.

  65. Erm, it hasn’t changed yet…. Or has it?

  66. From Max Blumenthal on twitter:
    I’ve spoken w/some journos emerging from Gaza. Scenes they described veered on apocalyptic. Even those who’d been to Aleppo were despondent.
    Body parts in trees, fingers littering the ground, burnt flesh on ambulance windshields. These are the scenes they’ve described to me.
    If the ICC refuse an investigation into these war crimes, the ICC building should be burnt to the ground.

  67. I have always found Sam Kiley’s reportage on foreign affairs mostly fair and factual unlike the BBC’s. I just watched his short documentary ‘History of Gaza; which would inform those who are uninformed of the story going back to Balfour.

    It is not on the Sky website but it is on his twitter.

    Sam Kiley @kileysky · 5h …. A quick gallop through.

    Guess what. That link produces

    ‘404 – Page Not Found
    We’re sorry. The page you are looking for cannot be found. This may be because of a mistyped URL or an out-of-date search engine listing.’

    Perhaps it is a little too factual for the Jewish lobby here and in other countries. Sky News goes worldwide.

  68. IDF Sniper Admits On Instagram To Murdering 13 Gaza Children

    July 31, 2014 1:56 am

  69. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Aug, 2014 - 9:13 pm



    “When were you elected the spokesman/moderator and took responsibility for what ‘we’ should do and not do, see and not see?”

    Welcome to the blog, “Andy”. Always good to have new commenters on here, especially when they appear out of the blue at crucial junctures! :)

    In reply to your query : self-appointed, as from today at 00h00 UCT. Hope that helps.

  70. At the President’s recent press conference, Obama emphasized “Israel’s right to defend itself, no matter what.” That is not true, Gaza is Occupied Palestinian Territory [the UN regard Gaza as occupied since Israel controls land sea and air movements] that being the case Israel has one duty only, that is to end the illegal occupation, every man, woman and child in Gaza is a protected person [Geneva Convention Article 4] Attacking them from land, sea and air is a war crime. The besieged Palestinians have every right to defend themselves using any weapons they can get hold of. I gave up on the corrupt US political class a long time ago, Netanyahu owns them he knows it, and everyone else knows it. Bill Clinton asked the Question some time ago.
    “Who the fuck does he think he is? Who’s the fucking superpower here?”
    US President Bill Clinton in 1996, after being lectured by Netanyahu on the Middle to

  71. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Aug, 2014 - 9:20 pm

    Miss Piggy

    “Habacluck-since when have you been an arbiter of poetry? Have you ever read any? Proper poetry I mean-Hugh MacDiarmid, R.S. Thomas, William Soutar, Ezra Pound? Thought not. You know about as much about it as you do about War Crimes.”

    Well, we’re not in a kindergarten competition here, are we, but I do know enough about poetry to know that what we’ve been offered today (and on previous days from Mike Rosen) is junk.

    There is no one serious on here who would call those pitiful efforts poetry.

  72. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Aug, 2014 - 9:23 pm

    Harry Law

    “If the ICC refuse an investigation into these war crimes, the ICC building should be burnt to the ground.”

    I notice you don’t say by whom. Are you volonteering, or are you just another blowhard?

  73. Yes, Mary, the story here is the murder of hundreds of children, dozens of whom were asleep of sought shelter in UN refuges. That speaks of a barbarism that one can scarcely comprehend.

    ‘Foolish’ or ‘disproportionate’ or any other weasel word doesn’t cover it; the fate of a single soldier is neither here nor there by comparison.

    The word I prefer to use is ‘evil’. Old-fashioned and imprecise, I know, but at least it’s closer to the truth than any used by those who are well-trained in the arts of obfuscation.

  74. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Aug, 2014 - 9:36 pm


    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella), sorry to hurt your “Pinkness”….. but….

    Rehmat, why did you choose to point out that the Canadian Foreign Minister was gay in your “comment” at 16h09?

    Is homophobia one of your many issues?

  75. Resident Dissident

    2 Aug, 2014 - 9:56 pm

    “When were you elected the spokesman/moderator and took responsibility for what ‘we’ should do and not do, see and not see?”

    Funnily enough your silence was noted when Lady Dorking made a bid for that role

    Or do you only favour censorship when the censor agrees with you?

  76. If required to choose, I’d say being a homophobe is preferable to being a child-killer.

    Child-killing is clearly one of Israel’s many issues.

    In Ashdown’s parlance, call it a foible.

  77. Habbabkuk [Lavitaebella] @9.36 “I notice you don’t say by whom. Are you volonteering, or are you just another blowhard?”
    Unlike you I do not give Israel a pass on war crimes and crimes against humanity. I have read some of your comments and like other commentators on this site find them so obnoxious I pass over them now. You just like hearing the sound of your own bullshit.

  78. Mr.Piggy to you, Habbaduk. Harry Law-clearly this time around we shall see whether or not the U.N. has any more credibility than the League of Nations had, ultimately. Likewise and much more critically, the ICC. At least we now know that there is a clear conspiracy of silence, obfuscation, and completely bent reporting in the Muppet Media. Notice how the Gaza reports on BBC News are cleverly structured by stacking them against the Ukraine news. We shall see.

  79. Rageh Omaar@ragehomaar

    10:32 – 1 August 2014

    Destruction of khoza’ah district almost post-apocalyptic – heavy&wholesale on entire east side of town – body after body pulled from rubble

    The zionist scum are following an scorched earth policy whilst the pusillanimous political leadership in the west; supine, undermined and blackmailed proceed to espouse their usual homilies, acquiescently witnessing an abominable destruction of a concentration camp and the wholesale genocide of Palestinian inmates of the said concentration camp.

    Disgusting war criminals, why don’t you end this abominable occupation of the lands of Palestine?

  80. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    2 Aug, 2014 - 10:34 pm

    Welcome to all those new to this blog, please read up on Habbaducks history here and make your own mind up on his obfuscating persona.

    What he is not is, is in charge, however much he likes to trumpet his own little Schwaenzle, he’s quiet meschugge as of natural and he’s here to disturb.

    our mascot? maybe, thing is he’s got no class whatsoever, speak to him and he’ll proove it.

  81. Resident Dissident

    2 Aug, 2014 - 10:35 pm


    Just a hint – resorting to the views of Richard Nixon to support any argument isn’t likely to convince anyone other than the mad or extremely gullible.

  82. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    2 Aug, 2014 - 10:42 pm

    Re. Craig’s post-

    Backing up the proposition that Israel has to be very inventive, but ultimately the excuses run out, as seems to be happening now with Netanyahu stating that the bombardment will continue until Israel can live in peace and security. An argument which will presumably one day require a 100-mile wide cordon sanitaire of radioactive glass around the Jewish state.

  83. Mr. Ban Ki-moon, due to your important responsibility, you are held accountable to end these events.

    Do you not see the obvious violation of international conventions and treaties?

    Do you not see this wild and barbaric attack as a clear example of genocide?

    Do you not believe that the long lasting blockade of a nation under such harsh conditions is an inhumane act?

    Do you not believe that issuing useless or inadequate Security Council statements along with your biased remarks enable the prolonging of this crime?

    You must bear responsibility for the position that you occupy. Nations find your actions to be unacceptable. It is essential that this genocide be stopped in any way possible and the captive Palestinian nation be returned its principal rights.

    Mr. Ban Ki-moon: Stop genocide in Gaza

  84. In case anyone missed this: Tory MPs in Israel

    “A group of Conservative MPs this week embarked on a visit to a military facility in Israel…

    On Tuesday, the parliamentarians went to a briefing at the Iron Dome missile defence system that shoots down Hamas rockets after one of the heaviest nights of shelling of Gaza.

    According to the Conservative Friends of Israel, seven of the party’s parliamentarians, including former minister Baroness Neville Jones, Sir Edward Garnier, Andrew Percy, Guto Bebb, Bob Blackman and Jack Lopresti, travelled to the country…. Percy, who tweeted “Israel acts as we would”

  85. Israeli model underlies militarization of U.S. police

    But of course Israeli model underlies militarization of UK police.

  86. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Aug, 2014 - 11:09 pm

    Harry Law

    “Unlike you I do not give Israel a pass on war crimes and crimes against humanity.”

    Irrespective of who gives a pass to whom, Harry, you suggested that “if the ICC refuse an investigation into these war crimes, the ICC building should be burnt to the ground.”

    Were you inciting others to do so while you sit safely on your backside somewhere else, or will you be seeing to the job personally?

    You are obviously a fool, but are you a also a coward and a blowhard?

  87. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Aug, 2014 - 11:12 pm

    Harry Law

    “I have read some of your comments and like other commentators on this site find them so obnoxious I pass over them now.”

    Well, you obviously didn’t pass over that one, did you.

    BTW – what was your former handle?

  88. Je and William

    How would you feel if you were a Muslim in Gaza and you knew that Israel is Hamas, escorts weapons to Hamas, supplies NSA/GCHQ spying on citizens to Hamas?

    How would you feel if you were a citizen of Kurdistan and you had not been paid by the government which is swimming in oil revenues for 6 months and then your government flies to Jordan, a few miles away from Israel, with UK US IS senior government figures and islamic jihad group leaders in order to despatch UKUSIS armed ISIS on the rampage through your country, killing at random to solve your country’s economic problem?

    Would you feel comfortable living under such help from such sources?

    I keep saying it but nobody listens. Political Islam, under the cover of the ordinary Deobandi, Salafi, Muslim Brotherhood and Ahle Hadeeth mosques, have exactly the same relationship with your government, mr Cameron, Mr Miliband, as Hamas and Kurdish leader Barzani have with Israel. Political Islam = Israel = your elected M.P.s in one big NWO Zionist operation with no dividing lines.

    Craig is an ant on the sleeve of that Frankenstein. He got flicked off because they thought he was going to bite them. If that’s how much they care about their own senior and respected Ambassadors, how much do you think they respect ordinary citizens?

    “Christian-zionists-political Islam are ANTI-CHRIST “

  89. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Aug, 2014 - 11:18 pm


    “If required to choose, I’d say being a homophobe is preferable to being a child-killer.”

    Well, Mike, you aren’t required to choose and nor is anyone else.

    Since you appear to be Rehmat’s temporary spokesman this evening, perhaps you could answer the following on his behalf:

    “Rehmat, why did you choose to point out that the Canadian Foreign Minister was gay in your “comment” at 16h09?

    Is homophobia one of your many issues?” ?


    BTW, have you written to the rector of Dundee University yet, protesting against the granting of an honorary doctorate to Baroness Cox?


    La vita è bella, life is good!

  90. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Aug, 2014 - 11:21 pm

    Miss Piggy

    Glad to see you’ve stopped writing about poetry and are back on a subject you know equally little about!


  91. Mary
    2 Aug, 2014 – 11:55 am – I too sensed the sadness. What a beautiful, loving, caring women.

  92. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Aug, 2014 - 11:30 pm

    Mary and Mark

    Do stop sending each other tear-stained little billets-doux on this public forum, will you? It’s getting downright embarrassing for those of us brought up in a more reticent age when it was considered bad form to blub in public.

    That, together with the many professions of broken-hearts, is turning this blog into an Agony Aunt column.

    Please use letter post instead – support the privatized Royal Mail!

  93. Baa! Humbug

    Like a frit factory pigeon you shit out egg and shit in one flutter of wings. You were once Larry of St Louis. Isn’t it time you changed your alliterative theme again?

  94. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    2 Aug, 2014 - 11:50 pm

    “You were once Larry of St Louis”

    Any veterans here who remember the style? Hab does seem quite protective of USdotgov.

  95. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    2 Aug, 2014 - 11:55 pm

    A bitter pill indeed.

    “The Obamanation who is joined at the hip with Bibi hates all of this. No, it is not because he is a kind man with a big heart. The Obamanation doesn’t give a rat’s backside how many Palestinians die, or children for that matter. Palestinians in general and Gaza in particular are completely unimportant to Empire‘s Geo Political game plans.

    The Obamanation needs the world’s undivided attention as he tries to bring Empire to the brink of war with Moscow. He has no intention of really going to war. All of this is intended to keep the world at the edge of its seat, afraid of World War 3. Now how can Obama do this, if when he turns on his TV, it is filled with images of Gaza and the damned Israelis?

    The answer is he can’t. Even the downing of a passenger airline with nearly 300 people can’t keep the world’s attention. They are all transfixed to the TV war, as they used to be with Vietnam. Some saying; “monstrous Nazi Israelis”. Some saying; “damned terrorists had it coming”. Others saying “poor people, poor children. It is so horrible”. And most just watching the edutainment saying to themselves; “I guess my life isn’t so bad after-all”.”

  96. Where’s a fucking FedUp when you need him to do a bit of troll-scathing? Gone all posh and erudite about Islam.
    Anyway, Thank you for your statement that FGM is no part of Islam,
    though I might use it on Habba for insulting Mary disgracefully if I could only find him.

  97. Powerful words Guano. Slightly amazed at my post evaporating at precisely 11:30. Was that ‘entanglement’ Dave? Of course it confirms our weakness, it means we are drowning in our own lack of emotion. Our intentions are weak – Yes, your ‘anti-christ’ is driven by dark emotion as observed at 11:30 thankyou.

    Feel that darkness, feel it! Painful?

  98. what is lost in the current propaganda campaign by western MSM & politicians –

    5 June – Foreign Policy in Focus – U.S. Culpability in the Failure of Israeli-Palestinian Peace Talks
    The failure of John Kerry’s Israeli-Palestinian peace talks showed just how extreme U.S. policy on the conflict has become.
    by Stephen Zunes
    The Palestinian government agreed to these terms. Israel rejected them.
    An interview with an anonymous U.S. official close to the peace talks in an Israeli publication confirmed numerous other reports that, despite the Obama administration’s claims to the contrary, the Palestinian side made major concessions while the Israeli side essentially refused to make any, generally refusing to talk about any substantive issues….

  99. 2 August Belfast Telegraph – Palestine football legend Ahed Zaqout killed in Gaza
    Palestinian football star, Ahed Zaqout, has been killed after an Israeli bomb struck his apartment in Gaza while he was sleeping, it has been confirmed….
    In January two young Palestinian footballers from Abu Dis FC, Jawhar Nasser Jawhar, 19, and Adam Abd al-Raouf Halabiya, 17, were reportedly shot by Israeli snipers, beaten up and had dogs set on them as they walked home after training….
    In an interview with the website Adam said that he was shot first in the leg. As Jawhar tried to drag him to safety, he was shot repeatedly in the hand and leg — 11 times total. Adam was shot once in the knee and two times in the other leg. The teenagers told the website that as they lay screaming, Israeli forces set a dog on them….
    On March 10 Saji Darwish, Birzeit student and player for Beitin FC, was shot dead by soldiers near the West Bank settlement of Givat Assaf, close to Ramallah. It was alleged that he was throwing stones at vehicles belonging to Israeli settlers in the area.
    Meanwhile as of late Saturday, Gaza health ministry officials reported that the death toll has now risen 1,712 Palestinians. Among those killed 398 were children, 207 women and 74 elderly.

    Max Blumenthal – Obama humiliates Muslim guests at White House Ramadan event, endorses Israel’s Gaza assault and NSA surveillance

    the war on Gaza coinciding with Ramadan meant nothing to the MSM.

  100. Has anyone noticed the hypocrisy of it all.

    Secretary of State, John Kerry, wants Russia to withdraw from Crimea. Yet, at the same time when Israel has built beyond the 1967 borders – not a peep from him about the illegal settlements.

    Honest broker indeed!

  101. Has anyone noticed the hypocrisy of it all.

    Nuremberg Rassensehutz-Gesetz (race protection laws) are abhorred whilst “Jewish state” is celebrated, encouraged and supplied with free arms, ordnance and free money, as well as a free hand in obliteration of the untermenschen, all the while decrying that the Palestinian terrorist are to be blamed for their own destruction.

    Hypocrisy! Lying to ourselves has been refined to the nth degree; we no longer can discern the reality from unreality.

  102. Israel’s military story as told by US-Israeli blogger Richard Silverstein.

    Israeli soldier kept their “tunnel operation” during the 72-hour Netanyahu-Abbas ceasefire. In one of such operations, Hamas fighters ambushed Israel’s Givati brigade soldiers. In the fire exchange Gaza defenders were able to kill Maj. Benaya Sarel and Sgt. Liel Gidoni. three other Jew soldiers were seriously wounded. One of them, Lt. Hadar Goldin was dragged away by the fighters. “But the Israelis who were unscathed, invoked Hanniball Directive”, killing Goldin and the Gaza fighter dragging him”.

  103. Israel has accepted that Goldin was killed. They knew all along and used the opportunity to do some more slaughtering and destroying. Netanyahu is carrying on with the ‘operation’ as it is referred to.

    Meanwhile Chris Gunness is warning of a serious health emergency in Gaza where the medical service is broken.

  104. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    3 Aug, 2014 - 2:14 am

    They knew all along about the ‘kidnapped’ teenagers Mary. It’s all about dominating the Media, as they well know. I have seen the same faces excreting the same homilies for several days now.

    Cue the Media ownership of mainstream media.

    On a positive point; several US outlets have begun asking them embarrassing questions. The follow-up question is rare, but it is happening with greater frequency.

  105. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    3 Aug, 2014 - 2:21 am

    “All Leftists are Sons of Bitches” Is the cry from the vast majority of Israeli nazi collaborators.

    Then there is the other Israeli opinion.

  106. Peacewisher

    3 Aug, 2014 - 2:30 am

    “Turkey PM slams Israel for ‘Hitler-like fascism’”

    This article is beyond surreal (if that is logically possible!)

    The reaction of Nehanyahu was apparently to “report” Erdogan to John Kerry for “anti-semitism”. It will be interesting to see Kerry’s response.

  107. Peacewisher

    3 Aug, 2014 - 3:04 am

    Israel now accepts that “kidnapped” soldier is dead. Looks like you guys were right…

  108. Peacewisher

    3 Aug, 2014 - 3:22 am

    Great quote from another time of religious extremism:

    “We never do evil so fully and cheerfully as when we do it out of conscience.” – Blaise Pascal

    And here is the text of the pulled “Times of Israel” article:


    Such a big deal out of the alleged capture of Israeli soldier, now admitted to have been killed in some kind of counter attack by Israel.

    Such amazing chutzpah by Obama: “barbaric” for Hamas to capture an Israeli soldier. Not barbaric for Israel to kill their own, being captured is a fate worse than death? If so, Israel army has become taken on the code of Bushido, with blind allegiance to an “Emperor” and adherence to International law that is purely optional.

    Like the Nazis, Israeli policy is to de-humanise, in this case the Arabs, and particularly Palestinians, who are now apparently the new “Untermenschen”

    Imagine the Nazis squealing “barbaric” about an SS officer captured by the Warsaw resistance in the uprising in 1944. The parallels are many, Polish territory invaded and occupied, ongoing war crimes, crimes against humanity, flattened residential areas with not a care for the civilian population, and then, when the occupied dare to fight back, how ‘illegal’ and ‘barbaric’ is that?

    It’s war, with overwhelming force on one side, and they squeal like stuck pigs when one of their own is allegedly captured? Pathetic cowards can’t take what they dish out!

    The moral force of Western nations has sunk to new abysmal lows, and as for Bibi and his gang of murderous, fascist, racist individuals, at least Caligula had some redeeming features, was perhaps less racist, sometimes perhaps more interested in fornicating with his slaves rather than killing them?

  110. Peacewisher

    3 Aug, 2014 - 3:39 am

    @Peter: Obama bullshit seems to be getting to Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld levels.

    Glad to see plenty of protesting in the US at last. The protests should now be directed at their (successive) governments who sustain this war in Palestine.

  111. Peacewisher, indeed.

    Actually the Caligula analogy reminds me, the nickname ‘Little Boots’ when a boy he was dressed in miniature uniform with little (presumably) soldier’s boots, and accompanied his father Germanicus on military duty and the soldiers gave Caligula that nickname.

    I hereby dub Netanyahu ‘Little Boots Bibi’

  112. Baa! Humbug
    La vato ry bowla

  113. The content of that video was chilling Ben.
    Reminiscent of Germany 1933. I don’t think that even the EDL here come anywhere near to those thugs. What has Israel bred?

  114. Trust me on Hamas says #LittleBootsBibi musing something like this:

    We will decide that only Hamas is committing war crimes by refusing to be all liquidated. That guy Goebbels was a canny operator when he said ‘think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.’ Of course that keyboard of ours extends its tentacles right up to the US government and including Congress, and as far as the EU is concerned, didn’t some US official say the other day “fuck the EU” My sentiments exactly.

    Need I remind the world that slaughtering their women & kids is our prerogative? In any event Palestinians are untermenschen & must be exterminated so we can steal their land and water and gas. In the meantime watch me bully the West to support my war crimes, and gather support to blame Hamas for truce breaking when we broke the truce. Ha Ha, suckers.

    Look how we treat John Kerry like dirt, now that’s demonstration of the relationship, my foreign policy is US foreign policy, and when they get out of line, watch out, those poor saps won’t get re-elected, AIPAC will see to that.

    What we need to do is get Sarah Palin onboard, if McCain could almost successfully put lipstick on a political pig to get her elected as VP, think of the lipstick Palin could put on justifying all those dead Palestinian kids! Maybe we could get her to be the IDF mascot, like if our guys get despondent, she could be brought out to wobble those northern slopes around a bit, maybe tell them that shooting Palestinian kids is the same as shooting vermin wolves? Fox News and that useful idiot Sean Hannity would love that, so would the brain dead redneck brigade in the US that watch Fox.

    Ah, General, good to see you again, how many vermin did we wipe out today…?

  115. A pretend spat is being created by Miliband E who accuses Cameron of staying silent.

    Both are avowed Zionists.

    A group of Conservative FoIs have just been visiting Israel.

    Agent Cameron cannot step out of line. Most of his wealthy donors are Jewish and he has a big election campaign coming up in 9 months’ time.

    He has just given a peerage to the Jewish ex head of M&S Stuart Rose. Another one to ‘Mr Copper’ Michael Farmer, the party treasurer. Farmer has donated +£3m to the Tories. He’s a ‘devout Christian’ and has a son who was a Bullingdon Boy like Cameron, Osborn and Johnson.

    ‘OUCA, which boasts two prime ministers, 13 cabinet ministers and three leaders of the Conservative Party among its alumni, has been a nursery for future Tory stars since it was founded in 1924. Its patron is Baroness Thatcher, a former president, and the honorary president is Foreign Secretary William Hague.’

    Lovely country.

  116. Inhuman shield: How ‘The New York Times’ protects US elites from Gaza’s brutal reality

    Memo: NYT Editor is Mark Thompson, ex DG BBC.

    His record on Palestine/Israel when at the BBC.

    Thompson and his wife Jane Blumberg (she comes from a strongly Zionist US upbringing) visited Israel to meet Sharon. They were also friends of a rich lawyer Scot Young who introduced them to the rich Israeli Zabludowicz and others.–strange-incident-Drones-restaurant.html

  117. Just as the MSM achieves synchronicity, so do these 32 metronomes. Compelling to watch.

  118. Resident Dissident

    3 Aug, 2014 - 7:46 am

    “Just as the MSM achieves synchronicity, so do these 32 metronomes. Compelling to watch.”

    Must be so annoying for you that you cannot achieve the same here.

  119. Resident Dissident

    3 Aug, 2014 - 7:58 am

    “Has anyone noticed the hypocrisy of it all.

    Secretary of State, John Kerry, wants Russia to withdraw from Crimea. Yet, at the same time when Israel has built beyond the 1967 borders – not a peep from him about the illegal settlements.”

    Yes Craig did – and most of the commenters here joined Kerry in his hypocrisy.

  120. Israeli airstrike massacres family of prominent physician and author

    Posted by The Editors
    August 3, 2014, 8:02 am

    An Israeli airstrike on Khan Younis in southern Gaza massacred nine members of the El-Farra family, including five children, early Friday morning.

    The El-Farra family are relatives of physician Dr. Mona El-Farra, who has been frequently updating The Electronic Intifada on the ever worsening situation there.

    ‘The house was hit with a rocket, and the whole neighborhood started leaving, running in the street’, she told The Electronic Intifada in an interview on Saturday. ‘Another rocket, or missile, struck the children and the women who were running outside of the house.’ The full interview can be listened to via the player at the top of this page and the full transcript is published below.

    [Six members of the El-Farra family who were killed in their home Friday. Photo montage created by a friend of the family. (Courtesy of the Middle East Children’s Alliance)]


    Imagine the terror.

  121. Jon Donnison @JonDonnison · 1h
    Health officials in gaza say ay least 30 killed and 150 injured in gaza since early morning .
    Total: 1740 killed 9080 injured.

    Truly a terrible massacre.

  122. Peacewisher

    3 Aug, 2014 - 9:33 am


    Didn’t Mark Thompson get a nice little pay off when he finally left the BBC.

    Another video reminding us of the Thompson days (but has the BBC improved at all since then?):

    I remember attending a demonstration outside the BBC later that day. Surprised how many people turned up… 25000 I think, but very little on the mainstream media.

  123. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Aug, 2014 - 9:42 am

    “Agent Cameron cannot step out of line. Most of his wealthy donors are Jewish and he has a big election campaign coming up in 9 months’ time.

    He has just given a peerage to the Jewish ex head of M&S Stuart Rose. Another one to ‘Mr Copper’ Michael Farmer, the party treasurer. Farmer has donated +£3m to the Tories. He’s a ‘devout Christian’ and has a son who was a Bullingdon Boy like Cameron, Osborn and Johnson.”

    Yet another example of sloppiness or, if you will, Mary’s enthusiasm getting past itself.

    While it is true (unfortunately) that most party leaders are careful not to tread on the toes of the big donors to party funds, may I point out that

    – Stuart Rose is not Jewish (factual error there, Mary)

    – Michael Farmer is,, as Mary says herself, a Christian.

    Why, then, does Mary use those two examples to underpin her assertion that “most of Cameron’s big donors are Jewish?

    The first example is not Jewish and the second is a Christian.


    Habbabkuk for truth and accuracy.

  124. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Aug, 2014 - 10:05 am

    “‘OUCA, which boasts two prime ministers, 13 cabinet ministers and three leaders of the Conservative Party among its alumni, has been a nursery for future Tory stars since it was founded in 1924.”

    Just to balance the above (?)cut-and-paste from Mary: there have been more than a dozen Prime Ministers and hundreds of Cabinet ministers since the founding of the Oxford University Conservative Association in 1924.

    It is therefore hardly surprising that two of those PMs and 13 Cabinet ministers have been alumni of the Conservative club for students at one of Britain’s leading universities, is it?

    In fact, I’m surprised that the figures are not substantially higher.

    Could Mary do some internet sleuthing for us, please?


    Habbabkuk says: Floreat Eton!

  125. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Aug, 2014 - 10:10 am


    “Israeli soldier kept their “tunnel operation” during the 72-hour Netanyahu-Abbas ceasefire.”

    Yes, we know that already, thanks – that was actually part of the ceasefire arrangement. Please refer to Craig’s original post:

    “What appears to have happened here was that the Israelis were continuing with their destruction of tunnels, as the ceasefire provisions allowed.”.

  126. I see that Ed Miliband has (finally?) decided to come out against Israel on this one:

    Maybe he can see that his dad would have been one of those “leftists” that the Nazi mob in Tel Aviv were terrorising.

  127. How did the BBC manage to time “The Honourable Woman” so well as to coincide with the current conflict? There is only one realistic answer, but I suppose it doesn’t take much to relight the touchpaper…

  128. The Israeli lust for Palestinian blood has not abated yet.

    Deadly strike ‘on UN school in Gaza’
    3 Aug
    At least 10 Palestinians are killed and dozens wounded in a strike on another UN school in Gaza, medics in the town of Rafah say.

  129. Peacewisher

    Yes, Mary 06.31 put up a link to Ed Miliband being a Zionist which clearly states his family reasons for supporting Israel. But as a socialist he is a different kind of Zionist from even his brother, David, or William Hague, Matthew Gould who are part of this lying-beyond-the-imagination-of-ordinary-people NWO Zionism which includes Political Islam.

    Dare I say it, Habbabkuk, with his disgusting and unwarrantied ad feminems against Mary, is right in my opinion to ridicule this two-dimensional bird-cage image of Gaza in which Hamas and the citizens of Gaza are the good guys and Israel is the bad guy.

    No. The world is 3 dimensional. Hamas is not any part of the people of Gaza, any more than Musri was part of the people of Egypt. They both won elections on the good slogans of Islam but they were both more closely connected to Zionism in their sponsorship and policies than to Islam. They were USUKIS plants.

    I don’t know if Ed Miliband is part of that out-right-lying strategy of political Islam in which William Hague, David Cameron, Matthew Gould and David Miliband are involved. But it’s important to note that there are different types of Zionist and one of them is Political Islam who have an US/UK/IS 4 year old war of terror on Islam and Muslims in Syria.

  130. Peacewisher I commented on it a week or so ago. It was virulent anti-Hamas propaganda. Someone said that one of the producers Hugo Blick or Abi Bach was an Anglo Israeli. Can’t remember Shocking isn’t it that the muck is being paid for out of our licence fees. The sooner the BBC is dismantled the better.

  131. @Mary: I suppose that it wasn’t meant to happen this way with “The Honourable Woman”. The UK “TV world” was supposed to be focused on “those terrible Russians” in the summer, and it would be a good time to slip in a bit of subtle propaganda to counter the four-part Channel 4 programme a couple of years ago.

    Maybe someone else saw the future BBC schedules for July/August and thought Hmmm! Yes, I know this is very dark, but so is what I’ve just read on Craig’s new thread.

    As an optimist, I greatly welcome Ed Miliband’s intervention, and have certainly revised my opinion of Joey Barton.

  132. Smoothface’s Jewish donors got him into No 10.

    Who will they promote in 2015?

    Israel control of UK government
    Jews fund both Labour and Tories

    May 2009

    On 13 October 2006, The Jewish Chronicle published the article, Team Cameron’s Big Jewish Backers.

  133. So Sir Stuart Rose (Bryantzeff) is not Jewish. No of course he isn’t. You have to be a gentile to get to the top in M&S.

    M&S boss gives ORT top marks
    April 11, 2008

    Marks & Spencer chief executive Sir Stuart Rose compared his company’s values to those of educational charity ORT when he addressed a British ORT business breakfast at the Park Lane Hotel last Friday.

  134. I did not know that Dr Mona el Farra eight of whose family members were wiped out is the aunt of Laila al Haddad.

    ‘Testimony at US Congress

    Dr. El-Farra is the aunt of author and journalist Laila El-Haddad, who testified about the massacre during a Congressional briefing Friday on US complicity in Israel’s onslaught on Gaza, which at the time of publication had claimed nearly 1,700 lives there.

    “I woke up this morning and I learned that my tax dollars killed eight of my family members in Gaza. They were given an eight-second warning,” El-Haddad stated to members of Congress.’



  135. Resident Dissident

    3 Aug, 2014 - 12:12 pm

    “Israel control of UK government
    Jews fund both Labour and Tories”

    “So Sir Stuart Rose (Bryantzeff) is not Jewish. No of course he isn’t. You have to be a gentile to get to the top in M&S.”

    Yet again Lady Dorking uses the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza to drop the nicety of the distinction she normally employs between anti-zionism and anti-semitism. And Habba and I are the ones she calls slimeballs.

  136. Good day Mr. Murray,

    You have made a proviso in your article suggesting that Hamas had violated the ceasefire. However, there is strong evidence that Israel was not observing in in the first place:-

    It appears that to the Israelis, “ceasefire” means only the other side ceases fire, while the Zionist army continues its aggression. As you have noted, resistance fighters did not know that being killed without the right of self-defence was part of the ceasefire deal, and the Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal insists that – if there were such a clause – Hamas never signed up to it. Please see his statement in an interview with CNN:-

    “The Palestinian resistance has the right to self-defense and the right to deal with the invading Israeli forces who are inside our Gaza territories,” Meshaal said in an exclusive interview from Doha, Qatar. He added that Hamas expressed its position to U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry via Qatar’s Foreign Minister.

    “We did not deceive Mr. John Kerry, and we did not deceive the Israelis, we fight honorably,” he said. “We told everyone that this is our position. … Therefore they are the ones who should be responsible for this.”

    It is noteworthy that nearly everything Hamas said about the dissapearance of Hadar Goldin was subsequently proven to be true while all that the Israelis had said was proven false. The feigned indignation by Tel Aviv and Obama and his administration have been forced to swallow their own words, but not before all the hooha provided justification for Israel to kill and maim several hundred more Palestinian civilians.

  137. Resident Dissident

    3 Aug, 2014 - 12:28 pm

    “So Sir Stuart Rose (Bryantzeff) is not Jewish. No of course he isn’t. You have to be a gentile to get to the top in M&S.”

    So Lady Dorking will be able to demonstrate that the last 4 CEOs of M&S i.e. Lucvandevelde, Roger Holmes, Stuart Rose and Marc Bolland were all Jewish?

  138. Habbabkuk Wants to know if I am volunteering to damage the ICC building in the Hague if they refuse to investigate the war crimes in Gaza. I would like to inform him that to threaten to do so is a criminal offence in breach of the Terrorism Act 2000. Or to encourage others to do it is a criminal offence in breach of the Encouragement to Terrorism Act 2006.The Police and security services monitor all these comments and would not hesitate to prosecute, if they thought they had a case. Habbabkuk you are a troll of the worst order.

  139. Resident Dissident

    3 Aug, 2014 - 12:42 pm

    “The Police and security services monitor all these comments and would not hesitate to prosecute, if they thought they had a case.”

    I doubt they would bother with the feeble minded.

  140. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    3 Aug, 2014 - 12:57 pm

    Well said Harry, he’s probably here to present the MI’s with ‘real hard evidence’ of his own making.

  141. I doubt they would bother with the feeble minded.

    An obvious retort from an obvious operative.

    Which signals unit are you attached to?


    Sam very true;

    “The Palestinian resistance has the right to self-defense and the right to deal with the invading Israeli forces who are inside our Gaza territories,” Meshaal said in an exclusive interview from Doha, Qatar. He added that Hamas expressed its position to U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry via Qatar’s Foreign Minister.

    “We did not deceive Mr. John Kerry, and we did not deceive the Israelis, we fight honorably,” he said. “We told everyone that this is our position. … Therefore they are the ones who should be responsible for this.”

    The stark fact that is going missing, is that the fascist zionist scum as a matter of policy would rather kill their own, to head off any probable advantages gained by Hamas. By the subsequent release of hundreds of Palestinians from the zionists jails. A dead operative is much more easier to deal with, than a live and kicking POW so far as the net-an yahoo is concerned, so in both case of the capture of the oh so brave zionist scum in uniform, first the world has been told of “kidnapping” (this is the standard to which English language is undermined when it deals with all things zionists) and then after lots of brouhaha, the said “kidnapped” are then found to be dead.

  142. Resident Dissident

    3 Aug, 2014 - 1:25 pm

    Which signals unit are you attached to?

    The one that deals with the highly paranoid and those that stray into an offside position at my kid’s football.

  143. The one that deals with the highly paranoid and those that stray into an offside position at my kid’s football.

    There! The squealer cannot even leave the little kids to get on with a bit of good old fashioned cheating.

    Paranoid? Obviously Snowden’s material is getting filtered out, wherever you are at; clattering away.

  144. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    3 Aug, 2014 - 3:37 pm

    “And Habba and I are the ones she calls slimeballs.”

    You two are virtually indistinguishable. Driving by with your window down, issuing epithets and spitballs that often fly back in your face,

    Then you speed off to avoid cleaning up your own spittle. Road Rage should be your name.

  145. Road Rage should be your name.

    Ben you are in a good mod there, it ought to be pissy rage!

    Really talk about no one is monitoring this board, The self inflicted prophet left right and centre is asking people if they have this and the other, and everyone ought to let it know about their names, addresses, and distinguishing marks and tattoos, as well as would anyone awfully mind to get this swab done and spit into this little cup (just for the reasons of DNA that is all).

    I remember Jon the mod asking me to write about myself more!!!!! A CV if you will!!!!!

    Man us goyem cattle must be looked upon really poorly in the eyes of these oh so superior chosen lot.

  146. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    3 Aug, 2014 - 4:41 pm

    Fedup; My flechette appendage speaks for itself. Walk softly but carry a big stick. But even cattle should be treated humanely. It’s only Kosher to do so.

  147. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Aug, 2014 - 6:07 pm

    Harry Law

    “Habbabkuk Wants to know if I am volunteering to damage the ICC building in the Hague if they refuse to investigate the war crimes in Gaza.”

    You can’t even remember what you wrote yesterday, can you.

    You didn’t suggest that the ICC building should be “damaged” – you said it should be “blown up”.

    That is encouragement of terrorism, Harry.

    Be careful.

  148. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Aug, 2014 - 6:10 pm

    California Ben

    “My flechette appendage speaks for itself. Walk softly but carry a big stick.”

    An inappropriate quotation in my opinion, Ben.

    You talk loudly and carry a twig.

    And now go and smoke another one. :)

  149. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Aug, 2014 - 6:12 pm


    The tone of your offerings since your return to this blog inclines me to think that you have been unable to find employment since leaving clink.

    You are very angry and disturbed. It’s understandable, of course.

    Am I warm?

  150. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Aug, 2014 - 6:16 pm


    That last bit reminds me of when the leftie students and other idiots used to march around chanting


  151. Harry said:

    “If the ICC refuse an investigation into these war crimes, the ICC building should be burnt to the ground.”

    At most in total misinterpretation, and misconstruction’s; a fire starter fantasising arson, but given that he is nowhere near the area, and does not have so much as a box of matches on him, this is pushing it really hard, even in the thought policed times!

    On the other hand self inflicted prophet as ever suffering a sugar hangover goes on;

    You can’t even remember what you wrote yesterday, can you.

    You didn’t suggest that the ICC building should be “damaged” – you said it should be “blown up”.

    That is encouragement of terrorism, Harry.

    Be careful.

    A crude attempt in coercion the zionist scum fashion, just like those zionist scum who were punched in the Berlin punch up and called the anti terror police!

  152. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Aug, 2014 - 6:24 pm

    Resident Dissident

    “Yet again Lady Dorking uses the suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza to drop the nicety of the distinction she normally employs between anti-zionism and anti-semitism. And Habba and I are the ones she calls slimeballs.”

    Yes indeed.

    The mask slips when Baroness Indignation of Gaza is under pressure.

    The pressure in this case having been, I suspect, my comment correcting her at 09h42 – a mere 2 hours before. :)

  153. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Aug, 2014 - 6:29 pm


    Yes, the expression used by Harry Law (what was his former handle on here?) was “burnt to the ground” and not “bombed” – my mistake.

    The verb “should be” in Harry’s sentence smacks of a recommendation and even an encouragement.

    After all, he could have written “might be” or used a different expression in order to make it clear he wasn’t recommending or proposing or encouraging a certain course of action.

    Don’t you agree with me, Fedup?

  154. Max Keiser on Twitter a few minutes ago

    “The reason I quit my BBC show; got strict orders not to mention Israel in any context. This kind of censorship leads to #Gaza horror.”

  155. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Aug, 2014 - 6:55 pm

    Max “Mad” Keiser used to have a show on the BBC?

    Any more revelations like that and I’ll start agreeing with Baroness Mary of Gaza on the urgent need to abolish the Beeb!

    The man is a fruitcake.

  156. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    3 Aug, 2014 - 7:28 pm

    “Prosecuting a crime against peace (otherwise known as a crime of aggression) depends on one of two factors: its status before the International Criminal Court (ICC) or its status in domestic law.

    The Rome Statute, which established the ICC, determines (Article 5.2) that the Court

    shall exercise jurisdiction over the crime of aggression once a provision is adopted in accordance with articles 121 and 123 defining the crime and setting out the conditions under which the Court shall exercise jurisdiction with respect to this crime.”

    – See more at:

    Maybe he and Bush can be cell-mates, or butt-buddies so they can renew their relationship.

  157. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    3 Aug, 2014 - 8:12 pm

    California Ben

    “Maybe he {ie, Blair }and Bush can be…. butt-buddies”

    Your comments gain in sophistication by the day, Ben.


  158. You can make your schoolyard jibes at me (and your pal too) but please do not take the name of Gaza in vain. The place, the people and their little ones crammed tight in there are in the greatest torment imaginable.

    I am off for some convalescence as I am not in a good place following my operation and my spirits are low because of what is happening there so goodbye for a while.

    I am not commenting on the following thread. Seeing the very name turns my stomach.

  159. In 1973 Israel hijacked a civilian airliner
    and was censured by the UN. Curiously, mention of this incident is omitted from Wikipedia:

  160. Resident Dissident

    3 Aug, 2014 - 9:15 pm

    “The place, the people and their little ones crammed tight in there are in the greatest torment imaginable.”

    On that we can agree – blaming Marks and Spencer’s CEOs is not the answer however in my opinion.

  161. I get the feeling that the child-killers might have overstepped the mark this time. The media may have an Israeli bias and most politicians are too frightened of the bogeyman (or in cahoots with it) to speak up, but I think the mass murder of children (this time around) has provoked such revulsion that something has to give.

    If not actual punishment, then I think the child-killers may find themselves inhabiting a very lonely place. If you cannot imprison or displace a brutal regime that murders children while they sleep, what is the alternative?

    Answers to Ban Ki Moon, if you please.

  162. “A Friday night’s dream on Saturday told, Is due to come true be it never so old” …

    Electronic Intifada 08/03/2014

    “Concentrate” and “exterminate”: Israel parliament deputy speaker’s Gaza genocide plan
    “There are no two states, and there are no two peoples. There is only one state for one people.”
    by Ali Abunimah

  163. Debunking Israel’s self-defense argument
    Operation in Gaza is aimed at maintaining its illegal occupation

    July 31, 2014
    by John Dugard

    Israel claims that it is acting in self-defense in Gaza, thereby portraying itself as the victim in the present conflict. President Barack Obama and both houses of the U.S. Congress have endorsed this justification for the use of force. But is it an accurate assessment?

    Gaza is not an independent state like Lebanon or Jordan. Israel accepts this but instead sees Gaza as a “hostile entity,” a concept unknown to international law and one that Israel has not sought to explain.


    John Dugard is emeritus professor of international law at the University of Leiden in the Netherlands and former U.N. special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territory.

  164. Well, Mary, the child-killers can make up their own laws to justify what they do. Who’s going to oppose them?

    I think we should replace the word ‘Israel’ with ‘child-killers’ from now on, in case we forget what the bastards have done. Then when someone says ‘I’m going on holiday to child-killers this summer’, or somesuch, they’ll remember, and won’t go.

    Child-killers. Nice and simple. And entirely accurate.

  165. Have I mentioned that Israel have murdered hundreds of children?

    Damn, I’ve broken my own rule. Silly me!

    Having said that, ‘Have I mentioned that child-killers have murdered hundreds of children’, is perhaps a clumsy construction, so apply that rule with care now folks !!

  166. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    3 Aug, 2014 - 10:12 pm

    Mike; Let’s be culturally appropriate.

    Child murderer; קינד מערדער

  167. Good, Ben, but that extra syllable confounds me!

    A nice hard ‘k’ in ‘killer’ as well, to add some punch.

    But use whatever you think is appropriate. It’s the sense of it that matters. You know, the sense of a monstrous military force deliberately targeting the most vulnerable and defenceless members of the people they regularly use as a punch-bag.

    As long as it communicates that, who’s to complain?

  168. “Most important, Prime Minister Netanyahu has now removed his mask. At a recent press conference, after implying Secretary Kerry and General John Allen were naïve about Israel’s security, he proclaimed that any Palestinian state contiguous to Israel constituted an unacceptable danger. Therefore, he said, such a state must have indefinite Israeli military occupation, not only in the Jordan Valley but throughout all of its territory. It appears that the alleged supporter of two states envisions a sovereign Palestinian state – but under Israeli occupation.”

    Full article

  169. A sovereign state under occupation. How’s that for doublethink.

    Only a psycho like Bibi could come up with that.

  170. Peacewisher,

    “Israel now accepts that “kidnapped” soldier is dead. Looks like you guys were right…”

    So – if the guy was kidnapped – then this is a reason to escalate the war – now is it that Israel got the body back – transmutation.

  171. @Courtenay:

    You know as well as I do. Of course it’s lies “but we win anyway”. This raises cynicism to new levels, otherwise they would be at least apologising for killing all those people unnecessarily and proclaiming they made an honest mistake to the UN.

  172. More “off the scale” cynicism:

    In summary, UK Government Justice Secretary (!?) accusing Ed Miliband of messing up the peace process by being “ultra critical” of Israel.

  173. And the real reasons for Conservative quietness about Gaza (party funding, when an election is near):

    Still doesn’t explain quietness on the other side of the coalition…

  174. Peacewisher,

    And here am I thinking that peacewisher might be dumb. Then he/she sends me this missive:-

    ” You know as well as I do. Of course it’s lies “but we win anyway”. This raises cynicism to new levels, otherwise they would be at least apologising for killing all those people unnecessarily and proclaiming they made an honest mistake to the UN.”

    Now shiver me timbers; blow me down – and I am the dumb one blown over…

  175. “In a bid to legitimize Israel’s violence in Gaza, Washington continues a disturbing pattern of baselessly blaming Hamas,” Max Blumenthal wrote on August 2, 2014. He also added that to avoid further military humiliation, Israel is working on an exit strategy.

    On Friday, Netanyahu met his war cabinet. After 5-hour deliberation, they decided not to attend Cairo Ceasefire Forum arranged by their brotherly ‘criminals-in-arms’, American John Kerry and Egyptian military dictator Gen. Sisi – both Crypto Jews. They also decided to call-off further Israeli military aggression in Gaza. In other words, the situation in Israeli occupied Palestinian territories (Gaza, West Bank and East Jerusalem) will stay same as were before Israel “Unilaterally” invaded Gaza Strip 26 days ago.

    The Zionist regime has called its decision “Unilateral Stop of War”. What a “catchy” tile, don’t you think so? A war which was started by Israel “unilaterally” is now being stopped “unilaterally” by Israel.

  176. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    4 Aug, 2014 - 7:05 am


    “..but please do not take the name of Gaza in vain. The place, the people and their little ones crammed tight in there are in the greatest torment imaginable.

    I am off for some convalescence as I am not in a good place following my operation and my spirits are low because of what is happening there so goodbye for a while.”

    You are right.

    Wish you a speedy recovery.

  177. Michael Pattison

    4 Aug, 2014 - 7:55 am

    Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, said on Saturday that Israel’s military action would continue for as long and with as much force as necessary to stop Hamas rocket attacks, even though the army has said its stated mission of destroying tunnels was virtually complete.

    He also blamed the Palestinian casualties – which on Sunday stood at more than 1,800 dead, compared with 64 Israeli soldiers and three civilians in Israel – on Hamas, the Islamist group that dominates Gaza.

    “Hamas wants the residents of Gaza to suffer and be hurt and thinks that the world will blame Israel for their suffering.,” he said. “There are many people in the world who understand exactly what Hamas is.

    “But, unfortunately, there are other voices and to them I say: Terrorism has no borders.

    “Will you stand alongside Israel, a democratic and moral state which is acting to defend its citizens?”

    Democratic and moral, huh!? I don’t think so. Disgraceful, more like.

  178. Peacewisher

    4 Aug, 2014 - 9:40 am

    LOL, Courtenay. I probably am a bit naïve… but there is something about deception that takes it to a level beyond “normal” lying.

  179. Miss Castello

    4 Aug, 2014 - 12:32 pm

  180. doug scorgie

    4 Aug, 2014 - 12:36 pm

    A couple of quotes that say a lot about Zionism:

    “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” – David Ben-Gurion

    “Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial.” – Arial Sharon

  181. Does Hebrew not have a word for proportionality?

  182. Israeli columnist: “Nothing can be considered disproportionate when we are fighting”


  183. Russel Brands Trews challenges Sean Hannitys FOX ‘News’

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