Michael White Lies 134


The Guardian’s Michael White is a revolting liar. He writes today in The Guardian:

Why so few “no thanks” posters or union flags? “Because we don’t want our windows smashed or tyres slashed,” some no voters reply.

That is a plain lie, Michael White. No “No voters” said that to you. You made it up. Nor has there been a single instance reported of any No voter having their windows or car trashed.

White also retails a story that a woman allegedly told him on hearsay about somebody else who was “seized by the throat” on canvassing because of their English accent. Well I have lived more than eight years of my adult life in Scotland and never once had any adverse reaction of any kind to my very English accent, including while canvassing in some very deprived areas. This incident is also an invention.

White has always been revolting, his constant snide support for Tony Blair and his wars, covered by that horrible false bonhommie, is repulsive. But the move into straightforward lies disguised as reportage to please his New Labour masters (and their creature Rusbridger) cannot be allowed to pass. Michael White is a disgrace to the profession of journalism.


134 thoughts on “Michael White Lies

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  • Doug Daniel

    If anything, it’s the other way around. I made the mistake of parking my Yes-emblazoned car in a lane in Glasgow city centre on the day of an Orange march, and would you believe it, I came back to find the wing mirror kicked off (no other car was damaged, and they would have been far easier to vandalise). Also, when out canvassing for Yes, I’ll ask Yes voters if they want a poster or car sticker to show their support. Many have said they don’t want a brick through their window or their car damaged.

    The reason there’s such little visible support for No is simple: very, very few people are actually enthusiastic about the union. Many No voters are reluctant, as deep down they’d actually quite like Scotland to be independent, but just don’t think we can afford it (nowhere near as many as there were two years ago, though). Others simply can’t be bothered thinking about it and will vote No reflexively. Very few are actually doing it out of passionate support for the union, and therefore they feel no desire to put a sign in their window or walk about with a badge.

    Same reason they have to pay their activists, basically.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Fred writes

    ““Here’s Habbakuk’s trick, bleeding over to so-called fred, who’s now also taken to chewing the scenery in pop-eyed histrionic fear, shaking like a leaf. One would think that for a genuine proud Scot it would be somewhat demeaning to act such a sniveling pussy. I know frail elderly ladies with more evident balls.”

    Proof, if proof were needed that it isn’t possible to make a rational argument without being subjected to personal abuse and bullying.”
    ____________________

    I’ve had my disagreements with Fred in the past, but I do find it curious (and revealing) that the points he makes on this issue – in a calm, reasonable and rational manner – have been met so far with nothing but abuse both personal and material.

    Very unimpressive.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Node

    “fred 4 Sep, 2014 – 8:29 pm

    “This is precisely what I was saying. Your repeated personal remarks about me are intimidating. Online bullying. If anyone puts any point of view but yours you subject them to personal abusive comments.”

    Fred 10 Oct, 2013 – 8:53 pm

    “Why don’t you just accept that you are a shit for brained moron who hasn’t got a clue.”…..etc, etc…”
    _______________________

    Well, Fred does have a policy of replying vigorously to what he perceives as personal insult.

    But the fact is that in these lengthy discussions on the referendum and Scottish independence he has made his points with exemplary politeness and reasonableness.

    Perhaps it is precisely that – together with his persistence (he won’t be worn down) – which makes the loudmouths and abusers so angry?

  • Mary

    Are there two Call Mr Cringes? Two different avatars indicate different IP addresses and/or e-mail addresses AFAIK.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    “Oh Fred,Fred,Fred…

    You’re such a pathetichally thick pant-pissing troll bitch it’s hilarious.

    You really are as stupid as stupid gets.

    Michael White??

    Is anyone really surprised by these gofers anymore?

    Yet another spook bitch so far up Blair’s arse-as long as his brown envelopes full of ca$h keeping pooping out.”
    ___________________

    The above – from the egregious Jives – illustrates my points perfectly.

    It also gives me the opportunity to ask Jives a question I’ve been meaning to ask for a while now.

    Jives is obviously on the night shift somewhere, as most of his screechings are written in the wee hours. They often also sounds as if he was drunk when he sent them.

    Could Jives – as a personal favour to me – let me know where he works? This would help me avoid buying any of the products made by the firm he works for (I would not be confident about their quality and durability, as he might have made them) and talk every possible measure to avoid ever entering the hospital he works at (on the basis that I would wish to leave said hospital cured rather than in a coffin).

    Thanks in advance, Jonathan.

    Whether working in an industrial entreprise or in a hospital

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Call me Cringe writes

    “Mary

    “STOP BRITISH CITIZENS JOINING ISRAELI MILITARY”

    I think most people are more concerned about British Muslims rampaging across Syria and Iraq beheading journalists and what these people may do once they are inevitably allowed to return here.

    Also, you can’t stop British citizens joining the Israeli military because there is not a UK law that makes it illegal for a citizen of this country to enlist in the military of a foreign state.”
    _________________

    Exactly right.

    Response please, Mary.

    ****************

    BTW thanks for giving us a break from your idiocies, even if it was only for 24 hours or so.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    DonnyFromTheDarkSide

    “Call me Cringe: I’ve used health services all over Europe.From Greece to Scandinavia, Germany and Austria and including the services North and South of the border.”
    __________________

    Sounds like you’re a bit of a rolling stone, Donny.

    But whatever.

    You’ll of course be aware – even though you carefully omit to say it – that in some of those countries you’ll have had to hand over some cash either to the doctor or the hospital and pay the pharmacist something (you may of course have been partially reimburse afterwards). And you survived, both medically and financially.

    You’ll know that some of the Eminences rave on about the sanctity of the “free at the point of use” principle.

    In the light of your experience – which you quote to make a point about quality – do you believe that the “free at the point of use” principle is essential and should be sacrosanct?

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Mary

    “STOP BRITISH CITIZENS JOINING ISRAELI MILITARY”

    ______________________

    There are young men in the UK who have dual UK and Greek nationality.

    Military service is compulsory for young Greek men. If they are not resident in Greece, they can be exempted upon request and have to pay something for that exemption.

    My question to you : should a young man, resident in the UK and with dual UK and Greek nationality, be prevented from doing his national service in the Greek armed forces if he should so wish?

    Or do you only support a ban when it’s a question of Israel?

    There’s a perfectly legitimate question, politely put. Let’s see if you could be bothered to answer it.

  • craig Post author

    Haababkuk

    The problem is that you are so constrained by Establishment think that you cannot imagine that what is does not equal what ought to be. Yes it is legal for British citizens to join the IDF and go and kill children. It is legal for them to join Aegis and take part in numerous drive past shootings. But – and try to make the leap of imagination – perhaps it ought not to be?

  • Tim

    I entirely agree – there are far too many abstruse arguments going on about what is or is not legal. Apparently it was not Tallyrand but a contemporary who said (of an execution ordered by Napoleon) “worse than a crime, it was a mistake…” The mere fact that something is legal does not make it sensible.

    The question of dual loyalties of dual nationals is something that needs a longer discussion. Service in the military forces of another country used to be enough to lose US nationality, and South Africa has a similar law against service with provate military companies

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Well, Fred does have a policy of replying vigorously to what he perceives as personal insult.
    But the fact is that in these lengthy discussions on the referendum and Scottish independence he has made his points with exemplary politeness and reasonableness.”

    fred 10 Mar, 2014 – 10:40 pm, addressing Habbakuk

    You are obviously a shit for brained moron retard.
    So don’t tell me what my opinions are dick head and don’t go broadcasting your delusions about me around around this blog because you just don’t have a clue…..
    Now fuck off.”

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Node

    I wrote

    “But the fact is that in these lengthy discussions on the referendum and Scottish independence he has made his points with exemplary politeness and reasonableness.””

    You replied as follows, quoting Fred

    ““You are obviously a shit for brained moron retard.
    So don’t tell me what my opinions are dick head and don’t go broadcasting your delusions about me around around this blog because you just don’t have a clue…..
    Now fuck off.””

    Was the above quote from an exchange about the referendum and Scottish independence?

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Craig

    “Haababkuk

    The problem is that you are so constrained by Establishment think that you cannot imagine that what is does not equal what ought to be. Yes it is legal for British citizens to join the IDF and go and kill children. It is legal for them to join Aegis and take part in numerous drive past shootings. But – and try to make the leap of imagination – perhaps it ought not to be?”
    ______________________

    You can take Craig out of the FCO, but you can’t take the FCO techniques out of Craig. I rather approve, actually. 🙂

    You know perfectly well the point I was trying to make. I wished to elicit from Mary on whether she believes that any UK/xxx dual national should be forbidden to serve in the armed forces of country xxx, or whether she was suggesting that such an interdiction should only apply to people with dual UK/Israeli nationality. I hope that Mary will not feel that your comment absolves her from answering that question.

    Secondly, your comment about mercenaries raises an entirely different matter. I submit that there is a difference (in several respects) between serving in the regular armed forces of a foreign country whose nationality you happen to have and hiring yourself out to any outfit that’s willing to pay you enough to lake it worth your while.

    And, finally, I’m quite aware that what is is often not what ought to be. But that, if pushed to the limit, seems to be a recipe for anarchy.

    With great truth and respect!

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    BTW, are we in a categorisation exercice?

    Lies

    Damned lies.

    White lies.

  • Kempe

    ” I regard attacking billboards – ones not on residential property – as a perfectly acceptable manifestation of political exuberance. Always been done, always will be, by all sides. ”

    Fine, but it still constitutes criminal damage.

    I would agree that on the face of it the damage to the man’s car hardly seems worth making a lot of fuss over but to conclude from that that it was self-inflicted seems unwarranted. Let’s see some evidence.

  • fred

    “Was the above quote from an exchange about the referendum and Scottish independence?”

    Node is just trying to intimidate me Habdabkuk.

    He has no rational argument, he thinks if he muck rakes through the archives he can intimidate me into keeping quiet. He has nothing to say about the issues of the thread, intimidation, so he intimidates.

    Everyone knows I stand up to bullies and if Node had been more honest and posted my words in context that is what he would have shown. That has no relevance at all on if the personal abuse directed at me in this thread was meant to intimidate or not.

    I think I have proven my point regarding intimidation in the referendum campaign or rather Node and his friends have proven it for me.

  • craig Post author

    Fred, Node,

    Please both of you be politer to each other. Neither of you is normally unpleasant.

    Kempe

    I do not conclude from the apparently very temporary nature of the “damage” that the man did or organised it himself. I don’t know. But I do say that has to be seriously considered among other possibilities, one of which is that a Yes supporter did it.

  • Mary

    Yes it is correct that I have been away from my home for 30 hours but the troll(s) will not know whence or why. Could they mind their own bloody business.

    The chief troll obviously does not understand the illogicality and hypocrisy of labelling Muslims who to go abroad to kill illegally as terrorists whilst Britons who go abroad to kill illegally are not considered to be tewwwowists.

    PS Was the ex UK ambassador to Poland (and he knows who he is) in that country at the time when the Polish government were providing locations for rendition and torture?

    Op-Ed ‘Black sites’ ruling a rebuke to Poland, the CIA and torture http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-margulies-poland-black-site-rendition-ruling-20140727-story.html

    Flights were going through Prestwick as far as I recall. That was in the time of NuLabour when Messrs Blair and Straw (Foreign Secretary 2001-6) and the other war criminals held power. I see in the article that Romania and Lithuania were also implicated. Did Dalia have a part in the black arts. I know she has a black belt in judo. We were told so by the troll.

    Those famous words of a journalist haunt us. ‘Have you got blood on your hands Mr Blair?’

  • Mary

    I ask that as the ex ambassador to Poland has just revisited the country to pick up a few zlotys from attendees on one of his ‘courses’. Perhaps they pay him in US $ as we know what a safe and reliable currency that is. NOT.

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    you were five foot ten inches tall”

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  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Mary

    “The chief troll obviously does not understand the illogicality and hypocrisy of labelling Muslims who to go abroad to kill illegally as terrorists whilst Britons who go abroad to kill illegally are not considered to be tewwwowists.”

    ______________________

    Did your original comment about people going off to serve in the Israeli army and my question in response to it mention Muslims or the word “terrorist”?

    No, they didn’t.

    So stop deviating and answer my question!

  • doug scorgie

    Fred (The Englishman who hates living in Scotland but can’t leave for some reason)

    4 Sep, 2014 – 7:54 pm

    “I think people do feel intimidated and it’s hardly surprising when there are blogs such as this one preaching hatred…”

    ———————————-

    Who’s preaching hatred Fred?

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    “Windows do get broken and tyres do get slashed.”

    ———————————

    Yes Fred, it’s called vandalism. It happens where I live – Wimbledon.

    When you go to vote Fred, remember it’s a secret ballot so, as long as you don’t turn up wearing the butcher’s, apron you should be alright.

    You could also practice the Rab C Nesbitt accent in case someone talks to you.

  • fred

    “Fred, Node,

    Please both of you be politer to each other. Neither of you is normally unpleasant.”

    Excuse me but when I get personal abuse like this thrown at me:

    “Oh Fred,Fred,Fred…You’re such a pathetichally thick pant-pissing troll bitch it’s hilarious.”

    Why on earth is it me you accuse of being impolite?

  • Abe Rene

    I marvel that your surveillance of Michael White is so complete that you could know that he was making up stories about intimidation. But come the 18th, the trurh will be made known by the ballot box!

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Mr Scorgie

    “Fred (The Englishman who hates living in Scotland but can’t leave for some reason)”
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    Fred has never implied, much less written, that he hates living in Scotland. Nor has he ever implied, much less written, that he has wished to leave Scotland.

    So, as so often, you’re lying, Doug.

    Perhaps your objective is to discredit Craig by implication and stealthy underhand comparison (“Craig, the Englishman who would love to live in Scotland but hasn’t been able to leave England for some reason”)?

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Mary

    Are you going to answer my question, Mary?

    You appear to be a reluctant witness in your own cause, don’t you. Your motto is evidently “never explain, never excuse” – pure chutzpah.

    Was I in Warsaw? Where were you for those thirty missing hours?

    And could you possibly arrange to go away for thirty days next time?

  • fred

    “Fred (The Englishman who hates living in Scotland but can’t leave for some reason)”

    Once more the comments directed against me not at the issues. More personal abuse.

    What on earth makes you think I don’t like Scotland? I’m not the one trying to change it.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Mr Scorgie

    I’m not sure whether to believe you when you claim to live in Wimbledon.

    You have shown your story changes from time to time : black man/white man; lawyer/not a lawyer; Wimbledon/Scotland.

    Stand up, the real Mr Scorgie!

    On second thoughts, don’t bother. 🙂

  • fred

    “Perhaps your objective is to discredit Craig by implication and stealthy underhand comparison (“Craig, the Englishman who would love to live in Scotland but hasn’t been able to leave England for some reason”)?”

    Didn’t he leave?

    I had the impression he’d emigrated to Spain for some reason.

    I must have imagined it…or maybe not.

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