Neo-Con Speed Dating 207


The TV debates for the Westminster election will offer you a dazzling range of neo-con policies from right wing to very right wing. Conservative, Labour, Liberal or UKIP, any flavour of corporate neo-con control that you like. It is a kind of weird speed dating circle between Cameron, Clegg, Miliband and Farage.

If it had been UKIP with thousands of supporters on George Square yesterday, does anybody doubt the rally would have received much more coverage. The decision about the election debates could not offer starker proof of my thesis that UKIP is an antibody produced by the establishment in response to voter disillusion with the lack of real policy difference between mainstream parties. Protest is to be diverted into a right wing channel that really offers no difference at all.

The fact that UKIP and the Lib Dems are to participate in the electoral debates, whereas the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SNP – all of which offer genuine alternatives to the neo-con narrative – are not, is indefensible. The SNP will win more MPs than the Liberal Democrats and the Greens will have more votes. UKIP have just won their first ever elected MP – which means they have finally caught up with the Greens. Given equal media access, I expect the Green vote would exceed the UKIP vote too – which is precisely the outcome the broadcasters are desperate to avoid.

The voters must not be shown that other choices, other visions, other policies are possible. You can choose any neo-con you wish.


207 thoughts on “Neo-Con Speed Dating

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  • CanSpeccy

    @Daniel

    There is no causal relationship between rates of immigration and low pay or unemployment For example, during the wind rush period in the 1950s and ’60s, rates of immigration were relatively high while relative unemployment was low but wages remained static. Conversely, during the Great Depression, immigration was near zero while unemployment was high and wages low.

    Wow. What a series of economic non sequiturs.

    There is no causal relationship between rates of immigration and low pay

    But that’s the whole business case for immigration. Cheap labour and, for the price, better qualified labour.

    That’s what George H. W. Bush meant when he said of Mexican immigration to the US: “It solves the servant problem.”

    For example, during the wind rush period in the 1950s and ’60s, rates of immigration were relatively high while relative unemployment was low but wages remained static.

    That does not support your argument, it refutes it: high immigration plus low unemployment = static wages during an economic boom times when wages would have risen faster in the absence of immigration.

    Conversely, during the Great Depression, immigration was near zero while unemployment was high and wages low.

    In an economic contraction originating in monetary policy, obviously immigration is not needed to drive down wages.

  • Daniel

    Mary,

    Farage to be given a channel of his own on the BBC yet the establishment-friendly BBC Trust is supposed to be politically impartial.Moreover, UKIP is a supposedly anti-establishment political party in line with Farage’s supposedly anti- boosterist view on neoliberal globalization.

  • CanSpeccy

    If that was illustrative of the genuine position of UKIP it theoretically might make it (at least in part) true. But that’s clearly not the case,/i>

    Oh yeah. You clairvoyant or what? Or are you saying that if UKIP says the opposite of what you are saying they are saying they are actually saying the opposite of what they mean, which makes your lies about them true?

    given that far right parties like UKIP are ideolgically driven by the same establishment-friendly socioeconomic models and agendas of their more traditional counterparts.

    Who says UKIP is far right. Only a bunch of NeoCon liars intent on keeping the present NeoCon con-men in power.

    It’s the easier populist thing to do to co-opt traditional left-wing policies in order to gain short-term political support. Hitler did the same.

    That’s seems to be Craig Murray’s modus operandi.

    Anyhow, here’s NeoCon NeoLiberal Nige expressing his support for NeoCon wars for the global empire.

    Go on. You can watch it. You won’t catch AIDS or turn into a bloviating genocidal racist hater of Glaswegians and other poor sods in Britain who aren’t really up to competing economically with the all those fine immigrants (And I’m not being sarcastic. It is the problem with immigrants. They’re usually good, competitive people, smarter than those they left behind at home and smarter than most of the people they’ll have to compete with for a job where they are going. I know. I’m an immigrant.)

  • DoNNyDarKo

    Habba”B” I’m sure Mary is cuttin n pastin, duckin n weavin, but she certainly caught you on the chin.
    You are sleazy not slippery,but you are definitely slippin.Retire!! Hang up your keyboard.
    Surfs up on Tel Aviv beach.

  • Daniel

    “There is no causal relationship between rates of immigration and low pay

    But that’s the whole business case for immigration. Cheap labour and, for the price, better qualified labour.

    That’s what George H. W. Bush meant when he said of Mexican immigration to the US: “It solves the servant problem.”

    For example, during the wind rush period in the 1950s and ’60s, rates of immigration were relatively high while relative unemployment was low but wages remained static.

    That does not support your argument, it refutes it: high immigration plus low unemployment = static wages during an economic boom times when wages would have risen faster in the absence of immigration.

    Conversely, during the Great Depression, immigration was near zero while unemployment was high and wages low.

    In an economic contraction originating in monetary policy, obviously immigration is not needed to drive down wages.”

    Businesses are not all the same and neither are the views of those who own businesses or the basis upon which they make decisions. If you are talking about big business, their main case for increasing immigration is to fill skills gaps in order to more closely match needs.

    Contrary your claim, the second point destroys your argument and supports mine. Introducing a straw man as you did, doesn’t make your position anymore valid.

  • CanSpeccy

    Let me try that first bit again:

    @Daniel

    If that was illustrative of the genuine position of UKIP it theoretically might make it (at least in part) true. But that’s clearly not the case

    Oh yeah. You are clairvoyant or what? Or are you saying that if UKIP says the opposite of what you are saying they are saying they are actually saying the opposite of what they mean, which makes your lies about them true?

  • Daniel

    I’m saying Farage is nothing more than a snake oil salesman and that the people who vote for him or support him are either bigoted racists or gullible fools. In your case, it’s probably the latter although I wouldn’t fully discount the former.

  • CanSpeccy

    @Daniel

    Businesses are not all the same and neither are the views of those who own businesses or the basis upon which they make decisions.

    That’s kind of motherhood. Got anything relevant to say?

    If you are talking about big business, their main case for increasing immigration is to fill skills gaps in order to more closely match needs.

    Skills gaps are equivalent to shortages of certain categories of labor. When there’s a shortage of something the price goes up. That is probably the only demonstrably true premise of economic theory, and thus it totally destroys your position.

    As for your other point referring to “your second point” what exactly was that?

  • Mary

    In favour of the motion, as amended.

    That this House believes that the Government should recognise the state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel.

    Amendment (a)
    Guto Bebb
    Mr James Arbuthnot
    Bob Blackman
    Robert Halfon
    Gordon Henderson
    Mr Philip Hollobone
    John Howell
    Damian Green
    Richard Harrington
    Andrew Percy
    Neil Parish
    Alistair Burt
    Dr Julian Lewis
    Dr Matthew Offord
    Mrs Louise Ellman
    Mrs Anne McGuire
    John Woodcock
    Mr Michael McCann
    Ian Austin
    Robert Neill
    Michael Ellis
    Mr David Burrowes

    At end, add ‘, on the conclusion of successful peace negotiations between the Israeli government and the Palestinian Authority.’.

    Amendment (b)
    Mr Jack Straw
    Sir Alan Duncan
    Sir Menzies Campbell
    Margaret Becket
    Sir Hugh Robertson
    Sir Nick Harvey
    Ms Gisela Stuart
    Anne McKechin
    Andrew George
    Mr Robert Walter
    Dame Tessa Jowell
    Hugh Bailey
    Mr Ben Bradshaw
    Paul Blomfield
    Mark Hendrick
    Bob Stewart
    Alex Cunningham
    Mr John Denham
    Sir Nicholas Soames
    Michael Moore
    Martin Horwood
    Paul Burstow
    Stephen Gilbert
    Andrew Stephenson
    Eric Ollerenshaw
    Mrs Mary Glindon
    Mr Peter Hain
    Michael Connarty

    At end, add ‘, as a contribution to securing a negotiated two state solution.’.

    For 274
    Against 12

    What happened to the other hundreds?

  • fedup

    Craig, I used to enjoy reading your comments and views. Unfortunately you are no more than part of the establishment that you purport to dislike

  • Daniel

    “Daniel That was a spoof.”

    My bad. The thing is, in the current climate it’s perfectly possible. It wouldn’t surprise me one iota.

  • CanSpeccy

    @Daniel

    I’m saying Farage is nothing more than a snake oil salesman and that the people who vote for him or support him are either bigoted racists or gullible fools.

    Aha! The default Murrayite position. Those who disagree with us are snake oil salesmen (are you American, sounds like it. Not British, I should think, since they don’t sell snake oil in Britain — they got no snakes. Incidentally, you’re not one of Cass Sunshines lads are you?) and those who support those we disagree with, including those who oppose the genocide of the English people are either bigots, racist, scumbags or total bloody fools.

    I guess there’s nothing much more to say. Your position must be conclusive to any true Murrayite, so lets hear no more from you for a while.

  • Daniel

    CansPeccy, your tendency to drift is borne out of your tendency to bayonet a series of straw men.

  • Brendan

    UKIP are much the same as the current crop of Tories. Cameron is reputed to be a centrist, if so he’s a crap one. HIs thinking doesn’t appear all that different to the drunks and bigots on his back bench, who, in a previous incarnation, were probably Klansmen, or fervid supporters of Hitler. Cameron is just more smooth-chops and guarded, but his opinions strike me as profoundly right wing.

    As to Labour. They are just incompetent. They are triangulating their way to defeat, which is what they will deserve.

  • Daniel

    “But I’m reticent about my nationality or who I represent.”

    I live in London and have lived here for 27 years. I was born in Basildon, Essex. I spent my teenage years in Torquay, Devon. I have pale skin, blue eyes and started losing my blond hair at about 30. I instinctively support left-wing, humanitarian and progressive causes and see myself inherently as an existentialist in philosophical terms and an internationalist in political terms. Anything else?

  • nevermind, there's a future, still

    Farage is a tax thieving scum bag, he was supposed to work on the Fisheries committee, he managed 3 out of 51 meetings with nothing done whatsoever, now that qualifies him in some eyes, not in mine

    To finally admit that he ‘would prop up a Tory Government’ if required, says it all, he’s a stooge who is taking us for a ride, what a prat.

  • Daniel

    “Craig….[u]fortunately you are no more than part of the establishment that you purport to dislike.”

    How did you come to that conclusion?

  • Mary

    Correction. Amendment A was not selected on the Palestinian statehood motion. Amendment B applied.

  • Geoffrey

    The “the bigoted racists or gullible fools” at least have no interest in attacking Muslims at the behest of US business interests.

  • DoNNyDarKo

    Less than half of MP’s voted.A disgrace.
    All those who abstained,voted against or stayed away should be voted out in 2015.

  • John Goss

    Couldn’t agree more. There is no choice. The big bankers, who certain people on here defend, are responsible for most of the harm in the world, are the ones who own the politicians. The big banks like Goldman Sachs are buying up all the world’s water they can get their hands on. Fracking uses massive amounts of water and turns it into poison. In the Bahamas betting and gambling shops are turning an impoverished country into an even more impoverished country and instead of taxing those who use it as a tax-haven holiday resort, they, like all other countries are imposing a VAT system.

    When we had unions we had worker protection. When we had a Labour Pary we had nationalisation. Today we need to do the same that Spain and Greece have been forced to do, move left with Podemos in Spain and Syriza in Greece. The way to do it is through Left Unity. There is a meeting in Leeds tomorrow and Birmingham on Wednesday, and more meetings to come, with speakers from these very successful grass roots movements and film director Ken Loach. See you there.

    http://leftunity.org/podemos-syriza-left-unity-doing-politics-differently/

  • Daniel

    “The “the bigoted racists or gullible fools” at least have no interest in attacking Muslims at the behest of US business interests.”

    As numerous thugs are either affiliated to, or members of, fascist or quasi-fascist groups closely aligned to UKIP such as the BNP or EDL, that’s almost certainly not true.

  • Ben E. Geserit Muad'Dib Further Confounding Gender Speculators

    “But I’m reticent about my nationality or who I represent.”

    Canspeccy; There is no shame in cross-breeding. As I’ve said, mongrels have the best genes. Pedigrees have multiple disadvantages with their advantages.

  • Daniel

    “All those who abstained,voted against or stayed away should be voted out in 2015.”

    Do you include George Galloway in that?

  • alfamale

    The TV debates should be limited to MP’s so UKIP’s representative should be their white middle-class ex-public school male clone MP Douglas somebody or other.

    So when the UK has the inevitable EU referendum and vote to leave is that the day UKIP dies as a party, presuming their not dead before then?

  • Daniel

    “To finally admit that he [Farage] ‘would prop up a Tory Government’ if required, says it all, he’s a stooge who is taking us for a ride, what a prat.”

    Indeed. Judging by some of the comments on here, he is clearly taking some of us for a ride, that’s for sure. Maybe, we have some closet Tories and/or racists in our midst. Not mentioning any names, like.

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