You Couldn’t Make It Up 221


Tony Blair names Henry Kissinger as his role model. Honestly, not kidding. It is of course literally true, as they were both responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands through neo-colonial war. What a pity he forgot to mention it when he stood for leadership of the Labour Party. On the other hand, it is the sort of thing Jim Murphy of the Henry Jackson Society is quite open about, and it doesn’t seem to hurt his career prospects either.


221 thoughts on “You Couldn’t Make It Up

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  • Ben the Inquisitor

    Old Nazis never die, They just change nationalities. We see their influence over the globe. They were so despicable that the Allies couldn’t do without their sage counsel and scientific acumen.

    ‘Same as it ever was…”

  • glenn_uk

    Perhaps Blair is wondering where his own Nobel peace prize is, since he’s surely as deserving one as Kissinger.

  • Ben the Inquisitor

    “Perhaps Blair is wondering where his own Nobel peace prize is”

    Cheers Glenn;

    Obomber hasn’t killed as many as Kissinger in SE Asia. They chose the lesser weevil.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Ben writes (à propos Henry Kissinger):

    “Old Nazis never die, They just change nationalities. We see their influence over the globe. They were so despicable that the Allies couldn’t do without their sage counsel and scientific acumen.

    ‘Same as it ever was…””
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    A rather foolish comment, if I may say so.

    Henry Kissinger was never a Nazi. He was born in 1923 and left Germany with his family, for the US, in, 1938.

  • Ben the Inquisitor

    Statement of principles[edit]

    The Henry Jackson Society:[6]

    Believes that modern liberal democracies set an example to which the rest of the world should aspire.

    I submit that modern democracy is not a democracy. But it is the lesser weevil.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    The firm assists its clients in identifying strategic partners and investment opportunities, advising clients on government relations throughout the world. Known for its secrecy, its specific activities are not public knowledge

    (Wiki, Kissinger Associates)

    Tony Blair Associates is an umbrella organisation, established by Tony Blair to “allow him to provide, in partnership with others, strategic advice on a commercial and pro bono basis, on political and economic trends and governmental reform”.

    …(Yeah, him, in Wiki.)….

    ..via a completely impenetrable corporate structure.

  • Uzbek in the UK

    There is nothing wrong with promoting democracy and human rights. It all goes wrong when these are just a smoke screen for neo-imperialism.

  • Republicofscotland

    Once called “the most controversial to date,” the decision to award the Nobel Peace Prize to Henry Kissinger in 1973 was fraught with debate.

    Critics said Kissinger’s alleged involvement as Secretary of State in Operation Condor and the U.S. bombing campaigns in Cambodia made a mockery of the prize and led Tom Lehrer to quip that the award “made political satire obsolete.

    ” Further incensing the situation, North Vietnam’s Le Duc Tho, who was jointly awarded the prize, declined his half of the spoils on the grounds that he didn’t want to share the award with the realpolitik ringmaster.

    To date, his detractors continue to dispute the accolade, arguing that the prize was for efforts to conclude the Vietnam War — something that didn’t actually happen until 1975.

    Kissinger said of soldiers, “Military men are just dumb stupid animals,to be used as pawns in foreign policy matters.”

    Mind you it say it all about the Nobel Peace Prize, when they awarded it to Obama in 2009.

  • Uzbek in the UK

    Ben the Inquisitor

    Not sure if you have high moral grounds to criticise old Henry. Your intelligence level might be blocking you from realising that old Henry is not the only realist in this world. Old KGB supergrass Vlad of Kremlin is yet another keen supporter of Nicolo’s wisdom. So f..off mate.

  • Republicofscotland

    Upon graduating summa cum laude in 1950, Kissinger decided to remain at Harvard to pursue a Ph.D.
    in the Department of Government. His 1954 dissertation, A World Restored: Metternich, Castlereagh, and the Problems of Peace, 1812-1822,

    examined the efforts of Austrian diplomat Klemens von Metternich to reestablish a legitimate international order in Europe in the aftermath of the Napoleonic Wars.

    Metternich proved a profound influence on Kissinger’s own later conduct of foreign policy, most notably in his firm belief that even a deeply flawed world order was preferable to revolution and chaos.

    There you go even back then Kissinger believed in a “world Order”, and it didn’t matter one iota if it was flawed.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    “his {oe, Kisssinger’s} firm belief that even a deeply flawed world order was preferable to revolution and chaos.”
    __________________

    What do you believe, Republicfscotland? The opposite?

  • Uzbek in the UK

    Republicofscotland

    And what world would be without order? Wars happen (and people die) when the order is challenged. You only need to do little reading of history to realise that.

  • Ben the Inquisitor

    “At the height of the Cold War in the 1950s, law enforcement and intelligence leaders like J. Edgar Hoover at the F.B.I. and Allen Dulles at the C.I.A. aggressively recruited onetime Nazis of all ranks as secret, anti-Soviet “assets,” declassified records show. They believed the ex-Nazis’ intelligence value against the Russians outweighed what one official called “moral lapses” in their service to the Third Reich.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/us/in-cold-war-us-spy-agencies-used-1000-nazis.html?_r=0

    Nazis aren’t perfect…just forgiven.

  • Ben the Inquisitor

    Operation Paperclip was the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) program in which over 1,500 German scientists, technicians, and engineers from Nazi Germany and other foreign countries were brought to the United States for employment in the aftermath of World War II.[1] It was conducted by the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA), and in the context of the burgeoning Cold War. One purpose of Operation Paperclip was to deny German scientific expertise and knowledge to the Soviet Union[2] and the United Kingdom,[3] as well as inhibiting post-war Germany from redeveloping its military research capabilities.

    Although the JIOA’s recruitment of German scientists began after the Allied victory in Europe on May 8, 1945, U.S. President Harry Truman did not formally order the execution of Operation Paperclip until August 1945. Truman’s order expressly excluded anyone found “to have been a member of the Nazi Party, and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Nazi militarism”. However, those restrictions would have rendered ineligible most of the leading scientists the JIOA had identified for recruitment, among them rocket scientists Wernher von Braun, Kurt H. Debus and Arthur Rudolph, and the physician Hubertus Strughold, each earlier classified as a “menace to the security of the Allied Forces”.[citation needed]

    To circumvent President Truman’s anti-Nazi order and the Allied Potsdam and Yalta agreements, the JIOA worked independently to create false employment and political biographies for the scientists. The JIOA also expunged from the public record the scientists’ Nazi Party memberships and régime affiliations. Once “bleached” of their Nazism, the scientists were granted security clearances by the U.S. government to work in the United States. Paperclip, the project’s operational name, derived from the paperclips used to attach the scientists’ new political personae to their “US Government Scientist” JIOA personnel files.[4]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

  • Republicofscotland

    The great foreign policy trial of Kissinger’s career was the Vietnam War. By the time Kissinger became National Security Advisor in 1969, the Vietnam War had become enormously costly, deadly and unpopular.

    Seeking to achieve “peace with honour,” Kissinger combined diplomatic initiatives and troop withdrawals with devastating bombing campaigns on North Vietnam designed to improve the American bargaining position and maintain American credibility with its international allies and enemies.

    On January 27, 1973, Kissinger and his North Vietnamese negotiating partner Le Duc Tho finally signed a ceasefire agreement to end direct American involvement in the conflict. Both men were honored with the 1973 Nobel Peace Prize, although Duc declined, leaving Kissinger the sole recipient of the award.

    Nevertheless, Kissinger’s handling of the Vietnam War was highly controversial. His “peace with honour” strategy prolonged the war for four years, from 1969-73, during which 22,000 American troops and countless Vietnamese died.

    Furthermore, he initiated a secret bombing campaign in Cambodia that ravaged the country and helped the genocidal Khmer Rouge take power there.

    Just think of how many women and children died due to Kissinger’s, intense Napalm bombing campaigns.

  • passerby

    Compare and contrast:

    Frank Fields yet another protege of bLiar has been doing his bit for “peace and harmony”; Immigration ‘could turn very nasty’

    The debate about immigration in the UK will become “very nasty” if politicians ignore concerns about the pressures being placed on public services in a time of austerity, Labour MP Frank Field has warned.

    That is in addition to Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts blaming the Muslims for being the cause of pub closures, because they don’t drink alcohol; UK politician blames Muslims for pub closures

    The reality on the other hand is a different story:

    a Wandsworth Council worker found the baby’s leg and foot on the ground in a tractor yard near the common.

    “The leg was infested with maggots. In a search, another limb was found, the thigh and calf had been eaten through exposing bone,” Ms Johnson said.

    “Later, a fox expert was called to the yard and discovered a fox entrance. A fox is likely to have found those body parts on Tooting Common and brought the parts into the yard.”

    This is the prosecution statement about the infants mother;

    Amantova had an “appalling experience” after arriving in the UK in 2008 in the hope of finding work.

    After losing her job, she was forced into prostitution by a criminal gang in Norfolk and did not manage to escape until 2012, when she fled to London.

    By August that year, she was sleeping rough in the graveyard in Garratt Lane, Tooting, and heavily pregnant.

    Homeless woman admits burying newborn baby alive before it was dug up by fox in London

    We all know; only Nazi singled out the immigrants and minorities mistreatment and collective punishment. No danger of that happening in our lands!

  • Ben the Inquisitor

    “During the military occupation of Ukraine by Nazi Germany, a large number of Ukrainians chose to cooperate with the Nazis. Reasons for this generally included resurgent Ukrainian nationalism, aspirations for Independence and widespread anger and resentment against the Russians over the Holodomor, which ocurred only a few years before. These were coupled with rampant racism towards other ethnic groups (such as Jews, Tatars, Roma peoples and Poles) as well as a prevailing sentiment of antisemitism. However, the absence of Ukrainian autonomy under the Nazis, mistreatment by the occupiers, and the deportation of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians as slave laborers, soon led to a rapid change in the attitude among the collaborators.

    By the time the Red Army returned to Ukraine, a significant number of the population welcomed its soldiers as liberators.[1] More than 4.5 million Ukrainians joined the Red Army to fight Nazi Germany, and more than 250,000 served in Soviet partisan paramilitary units.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_collaborationism_with_the_Axis_powers

  • Republicofscotland

    “And what world would be without order? Wars happen (and people die) when the order is challenged. You only need to do little reading of history to realise that.”
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    You contradict your own statement, why? well, wars happen when World Order, no longer suits the peoples opinion, the more you impose “Order” the more likely you are to have conflict.

    Some organisations have become to big the UN NATO EU,with their combined,influence on “World Order” even now threatens to overwhelm its citizens with its laws and wars it justifies, to itself.

    As for doing a little reading, on history, their was no “World Order” in days of old, only empires, who ruled the known world.

  • Ben the Inquisitor

    ” All Ukrainians are Nazis I know”

    No. Many Ukrainians realized the Nazi threat eclipsed the evil Soviet and joined their ranks. But you didn’t read the link, so I must repeat the point.

    But a core of Nazis kept their heads down until of late.

  • Uzbek in the UK

    Republicofscotland

    Napoleonic wars have happened not because Napoleon was kind enough to free Europeans from Kings (all do you believe this b…shit?) but because he took France onto long joinery to dominate Europe and challenged balance or powers order of that time. Napoleon was classic example of dictator/tyrant loved by people until certain point but who used this love and trust to promote his own agenda. Any parallels with today’s man in Kremlin? Same height issue, to name at least.

  • Ben the Inquisitor

    “And not a single Nazi in whole mother Russia, right?”

    Why do you argue without a foundation? Links support.

  • Uzbek in the UK

    Republicofscotland

    By the way more people died in Leningrad siege than killed by Napalm campaigns. Just because uncle Joe decided to keep the city under his boot. Most of the industries have been evacuated as was soviet navy. It was battle of two f..ng madmen nothing more. And millions of lives lost.

    And guess what? Uncle Joe is back at the top of Russian propaganda agenda. All those good times when uncle Joe ruled half of Europe. But at what cost? Does anybody here care?

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