You Couldn’t Make It Up 221


Tony Blair names Henry Kissinger as his role model. Honestly, not kidding. It is of course literally true, as they were both responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands through neo-colonial war. What a pity he forgot to mention it when he stood for leadership of the Labour Party. On the other hand, it is the sort of thing Jim Murphy of the Henry Jackson Society is quite open about, and it doesn’t seem to hurt his career prospects either.


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  • Uzbek in the UK

    Ben the Inquisitor

    Sorry I do not do RT. Read Mr Murray’s here and there. Few places where he mentioned racial hatred coming all the way from Vlad the Kremlinman.

  • Republicofscotland

    “Napoleonic wars have happened not because Napoleon was kind enough to free Europeans from Kings (all do you believe this b…shit?) but because he took France onto long joinery to dominate Europe and challenged balance or powers order of that time. Napoleon was classic example of dictator/tyrant loved by people until certain point but who used this love and trust to promote his own agenda. Any parallels with today’s man in Kremlin? Same height issue, to name at least.”
    _______________________________

    Yes we know all this, and he also installed his brother as king of Spain, but whats your point? is there one?

  • Mary

    Note Peres too.

    ‘I have a lot of energy. I feel extremely fit. There’s no way I’m going to retire and play golf. You look at someone like Henry [Kissinger]. He’s 91 and he’s still going strong. I love that. Or Shimon Peres – these are my role models.”’

  • Republicofscotland

    By the way more people died in Leningrad siege than killed by Napalm campaigns. Just because uncle Joe decided to keep the city under his boot. Most of the industries have been evacuated as was soviet navy. It was battle of two f..ng madmen nothing more. And millions of lives lost.

    And guess what? Uncle Joe is back at the top of Russian propaganda agenda. All those good times when uncle Joe ruled half of Europe. But at what cost? Does anybody here care?
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    Leningrad, Stalingrad, the mass bombing of Dresden, all unfortunate all a product of war.

    Uncle Joe is back on the agenda because the west, ie USA NATO EU UN want to enforce their will on Russia, I’m not saying Putin is an angel he’s not, but the west in my opinion are trying to impose “World Order”

  • Mary

    December 5-7, 2014
    Why the Guardian Axed Nafeez Ahmed
    Guarding a Taboo
    by JONATHAN COOK
    Nafeez Ahmed’s account of the sudden termination of his short-lived contract to write an environment blog for the Guardian is depressingly instructive – and accords with my own experiences as a journalist at the paper.

    /..
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/05/guarding-a-taboo/

    ‘In July, as Israel began its massive assault on Gaza, Ahmed published a post revealing a plausible motivation – Gaza’s natural gas reserves – for Israel’s endless belligerence towards the enclave’s Hamas government. (The story had until then been confined to minor and academic publications, including my own contribution here.) Israel wanted to keep control over large gas reserves in Gaza’s waters so that it could deny Hamas a resource that would have bought it influence with other major players in the region, not least Egypt.

    This story should be at the centre of the coverage of Gaza, and of criticism of the west’s interference, including by the UK’s own war criminal Tony Blair, who has conspired in the west’s plot to deny the people of Gaza their rightful bounty. But the Guardian, like other media, have ignored the story.’

  • Tony M

    Ben’s quote more or less is the truth of it, it was largely the Ukranians who eventually through partisan activity drove the Nazis out of Ukraine, ahead of the Red Armys arrival there. The brutality of Gauleiter Erich Koch, a fanatical Nazi and Hitler favourite, the use of Ukranians for slave labour, deported in chains into Germany, and the general high-handedness of the Germans, some of whom carried and used whips against the people, turned them against the Germans they had previously welcomed in. I’m sure they will, if they haven’t already, likewise turn against their US neo-con chums holding the whip hand.

  • nevermind

    Kissinger was instrumental to starting the Vietnam war with a false flag attack, he’s was hammered into shape by Chicago university;s Straussian lectures, as were Wolfowitz, Brezcinski and Cheney.

    That makes him a nationalist who loves zionism, in my book a Nazi, they should have never let him run away from Germany in 1938, it would have saved a lot of lives.

  • Mary

    There is no escape from him in the media.

    5 December 2014
    Tony Blair says politicians are underpaid
    “We need the gene pool of politicians to be varied, vibrant and vigorous”

    Politicians are not well paid compared with leaders in the private sector, Tony Blair has warned.

    Better salaries would improve the “gene pool” of political leaders, he wrote in an article in the New York Times.

    The former Labour prime minister also said too few politicians had real-life experience in positions outside of politics.

    The comments came in a wide-ranging piece about the “malaise” in democracies across the world.

    “Only an ex-politician can say this – politicians are not really well paid by the standards of the private sector,” Mr Blair wrote.

    “This restricts the attractions of a political career, at exactly the time when we most need the gene pool of our politicians to be varied, vibrant and vigorous.”

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30342948

    He seems to be totally unaware that HE is the malaise.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Ben

    “One purpose of Operation Paperclip was to deny German scientific expertise and knowledge to the Soviet Union”
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    Well, the Americans probably thought the Rooskies shouldn’t get ALL of the German scientists and after all, the Rooskies had already snaffled quite a few former SS and Gestapo types to staff the German “Democratic” Republic’s own secret (sorry! “People’s”)police.

    Fair shares is what I say, old chap!

  • Phil

    Passerby

    As it happens I (used to) know that graveyard well.It is just a tiny park with a few ancient gravestones. Notoriously, every day an old girl feeds a trolley load of white bread to the pigeons, despite court orders to desist. She literally disappears beneath a flock of them. I guess she must still be at it.

    Foxes have long run amok in suburban sw London. All those million pound houses whose gardens stink of fox shit. I used to admire a vixen who bred in the middle of the roundabout. No point to any of my comment but that story is horrific.

  • Phil

    Sorry Passerby’s comment made me forget myself.

    What? Blair and Kissinger are not good people? Thanks for letting me know! Ground breaking stuff.

  • Republicofscotland

    Craig, I know you’re an internationalist and you could be, well anywhere.

    Here are two events in Scotland, one tomorrow one on the 18th.

    The no to Austerity Yes to Home Rule, march and rally, will be held in Dundee, Saturday 6th December starting 11.30 am, at Hilltown Park

    More details https:/www.facebook.com/events/1724504921107056

    Also Where now for Independence, Colin Fox, Thursday 18th December at 7.30 pm at the Pierce Institute Govan Glasgow

    for more info e-mail

    [email protected]

  • Republicofscotland

    We’re not sure we’ve ever seen a UK-wide poll, even of a single age demographic, in which “Other” got more votes than any of the major parties, which is fairly remarkable in itself. But the Scottish sample is even more startling.

    As alert readers will know, we have a general policy of not commenting on sub-samples, because there are all sorts of flaws with them. However, YouGov’s 285 respondents in Scotland (before weighting) is pretty large as sub-samples go, and more to the point the numbers in it are so spectacular that even if you factor in a LOT of error margin they still make extraordinary reading.

    Firstly they show that far from being the Labour bastion of old, Scotland is now by a long way the party’s weakest outpost in the UK. Not only are Labour just one point ahead of the Tories, they’re behind the Greens. But the chasm between the leaderless Scottish branch office and the 95,000-strong SNP is of Grand Canyon proportions.

    Continue Reading:

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-future-coming-soon/#more-64242

  • CanSpeccy

    It is wise to judge men by their actions, not their reputations.

    On the question that may determine whether there is war or peace in Europe, Blair and Kissinger are among the few sane voices, both favoring cooperation with Russia, not confrontation, Ukraine notwithstanding.

  • KingOfWelshNoir

    To be fair to Tony Blair–and I realise that’s a revolutionary statement round here–but if you read the quote in context it’s clear he was admiring Kissinger, not for the Christmas bombing of Hanoi, but for the fact that he still plays golf at 91. Not quite the same.

  • Phil

    For gawds sake readers, Blair nor Kissinger are the point of this post. Murray is made evil by association.

    This, like many posts lately, is simply Murray signalling loud and clear to SNP power brokers that he will be a good line towing candidate.

  • Abe Rene

    Blair was talking not about right-wing policies, but about Kissinger’s keeping going instead of retiring, which is great if a person has sufficient health.

    As for Kissinger, he pioneered detente with the USSR and helped to end America’s involvement in Vietnam via the Paris peace accords, which earned him the Nobel Peace Prize.

  • Mary

    http://johnpilger.com/articles/from-pol-pot-to-isis-anything-that-flies-on-everything-that-moves

    ‘The Americans dropped the equivalent of five Hiroshimas on rural Cambodia during 1969-73. They levelled village after village, returning to bomb the rubble and corpses. The craters left monstrous necklaces of carnage, still visible from the air. The terror was unimaginable. A former Khmer Rouge official described how the survivors “froze up and they would wander around mute for three or four days. Terrified and half-crazy, the people were ready to believe what they were told… That was what made it so easy for the Khmer Rouge to win the people over.”

    A Finnish Government Commission of Enquiry estimated that 600,000 Cambodians died in the ensuing civil war and described the bombing as the “first stage in a decade of genocide”. What Nixon and Kissinger began, Pol Pot, their beneficiary, completed. Under their bombs, the Khmer Rouge grew to a formidable army of 200,000.

    ISIS has a similar past and present. By most scholarly measure, Bush and Blair’s invasion of Iraq in 2003 led to the deaths of some 700,000 people – in a country that had no history of jihadism. The Kurds had done territorial and political deals; Sunni and Shia had class and sectarian differences, but they were at peace; intermarriage was common. Three years before the invasion, I drove the length of Iraq without fear. On the way I met people proud, above all, to be Iraqis, the heirs of a civilization that seemed, for them, a presence.

    Bush and Blair blew all this to bits. Iraq is now a nest of jihadism. Al-Qaeda – like Pol Pot’s “jihadists” – seized the opportunity provided by the onslaught of Shock and Awe and the civil war that followed. “Rebel” Syria offered even greater rewards, with CIA and Gulf state ratlines of weapons, logistics and money running through Turkey. The arrival of foreign recruits was inevitable. A former British ambassador, Oliver Miles, wrote recently, “The [Cameron] government seems to be following the example of Tony Blair, who ignored consistent advice from the Foreign Office, MI5 and MI6 that our Middle East policy – and in particular our Middle East wars – had been a principal driver in the recruitment of Muslims in Britain for terrorism here.”‘

    Mutual admiration of two killers.
    http://johnpilger.com/photo/470×357-C2z.jpg

  • Ben the Inquisitor

    “Blair was talking not about right-wing policies, but about Kissinger’s keeping going instead of retiring, which is great if a person has sufficient health”

    But his self-awareness, lacking, had no recognition of whom he admires. His legacy trails behind him like the bushel of road-apples he laid leaving others to clean up after.

  • Phil

    Craig

    I put this here because I am told you do not read old comment threads and don’t want you to think I am rudely ignoring you.

    “The logic of Phil’s position is that nobody must ever work for the state as it makes you responsible for the entire policy of the state.”

    Hilariously pathetic misrepresentation. That is not what I am saying at all. As well you know. Most people who work for the state are simply doing a job. You were not most people. You worked your way up a murderous ladder. One minute you boast of all those secrets you were privy to, the next you know nothing.

    You were a leader of people imposing sanctions. These sanctions were part of wider sanctions that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands. You can pretend to not know. To not have known. Nothing to do with me old chap. Don’t think that rum job was on my watch old chap. Horse shit! It was planned. It was happening as you worked on Iraq. You had the highest security clearance. You were complicit.

    “I was prepared to work there while I was not asked t do anything wrong.”

    The logic of your position is that despite having the highest security clearance, despite constant interaction with MI6, despite promotion after working on sanctions against Iraq, you never knew over a period of years that the British state does bad things until the day you herocially jumped ship. I never knew nothing gov. It is a laughable notion. You are so ridiculous that you think you can front this out. Really, you couldn’t make it up.

    “if you keep saying I did things I did not do I shall have to stop you, with genuine regret.”

    Regret my arse. You are misrepresenting my position so that you can ban me with your easily mustered guilt free arrogance. Your ugly attempt to crawl back into the establishment will require you to compromise and compromise (remember how that feels?) until your proven to be pliable conscience has long gotten rid of the likes of me. You’ll be talking to closed meetings before you know it.

  • Ben the Inquisitor

    “This is a war against the children of Iraq on two fronts: bombing, which in the last year cost the British taxpayer £60 million. And the most ruthless embargo in modern history. According to Unicef, the United Nations Children’s Fund, the death rate of children under five is more than 4,000 a month – that is 4,000 more than would have died before sanctions. That is half a million children dead in eight years. If this statistic is difficult to grasp, consider, on the day you read this, up to 200 Iraqi children may die needlessly. “Even if not all the suffering in Iraq can be imputed to external factors,” says Unicef, “the Iraqi people would not be undergoing such deprivation in the absence of the prolonged measures imposed by the Security Council and the effects of war.”

    Through the glass doors of the Unicef offices in Baghdad, you can read the following mission statement: “Above all, survival, hope, development, respect, dignity, equality and justice for women and children.” A black sense of irony will be useful if you are a young Iraqi. As it is, the children hawking in the street outside, with their pencil limbs and eyes too big for their long thin faces, cannot read English, and perhaps cannot read at all.

    “The change in 10 years is unparalleled, in my experience,” Anupama Rao Singh, Unicef’s senior representative in Iraq, told me. “In 1989, the literacy rate was 95%; and 93% of the population had free access to modern health facilities. Parents were fined for failing to send their children to school. The phenomenon of street children or children begging was unheard of. Iraq had reached a stage where the basic indicators we use to measure the overall well-being of human beings, including children, were some of the best in the world. Now it is among the bottom 20%. In 10 years, child mortality has gone from one of the lowest in the world, to the highest.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2000/mar/04/weekend7.weekend9

    Many are culpable. Few have been punished.

  • Peacewisher

    Whilst the US kept its head firmly in the trough after 1945, in its efforts to beat the USSR in the battle for world domination, the UK delighted most of its citizens by keeping well out of overseas affairs, apart from “Commonwealth Management” matters. That changed in the 1980s, of course, and additionally, the UK’s role in supplying weapons – including to Iraq – was greatly enhanced. I’m sure the UK would have had a greater role in the 1991 invasion if Margaret Thatcher was still in power by that time, and she probably would have had the ruthlessness to make sure the Matrix Churchill scandal didn’t get to court. The exposure of Thatcher’s ministers over “Arms to Iraq” by the Scott Report, and the late, great, but flawed, Robin Cook should have ensured that the Blair government would have changed the UK world role back to that of “Commonwealth Manager”. Sadly, Blair and chums had other ideas…

  • Resident Dissident

    @Uzbek

    “There is nothing wrong with promoting democracy and human rights. It all goes wrong when these are just a smoke screen for neo-imperialism.”

    Couldn’t agree more – there are of course those who use anti-imperialism as a smoke screen for supporting despots and the abuse of human rights as well as replacememt imperialists.

  • Ben the Inquisitor

    “Couldn’t agree more..”

    That’s your take? Agreeing with a poster who admits he doesn’t read anything? I salute your tumescence.

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