Shoot to Kill and News Management 689


I did not believe the official story of Hasna Ait Buolacehn the moment I saw it. The official line was that she was a suicide bomber who blew herself up when the police stormed the apartment in St Denis where the alleged terrorist ringleader was hiding out. But that story seemed to me completely incompatible with the recordings on which she could plainly be heard screaming “He is not my boyfriend! He is not my boyfriend” immediately before the explosion. She sounded like a terrified woman trying to disassociate herself from the alleged terrorist. It was a strange battle cry for someone who believed themselves on the verge of paradise.

Then yesterday the truth emerged from forensics that she was indeed not a suicide bomber. None of the mainstream media appeared to find this in any way troubling. And just in case anybody did, the BBC (and I assume all the French and major international media) then immediately did an interview with an anonymous member of the French Police attacking squad, who stated that Hasna was:

“trying to say she was not linked to the terrorists, that she had nothing to do with them and wanted to surrender”.
But he said that due to prior intelligence, “we knew that she was trying to manipulate us”.

Unfortunately this would have been a very great deal more convincing had it been stated 48 hours earlier, rather than only after the original reports that she was a suicide bomber had been corrected on forensic examination. As it is, it looks very much like a post facto justification, a new story to cover the new facts.

Besides, it is very difficult indeed to see what prior intelligence could explain if someone was genuinely trying to surrender or not. There appears to be no information available to the public that gives the slightest indication that Hasna was an extreme Islamist; what public information there is paints the opposite picture. The best the media have been able to dredge up are quotes from friends saying “if she was, then she must have been drugged or brainwashed”. Google it yourself.

But even were she an extreme Islamist, that does not mean she was not attempting to surrender. All of which is a bit nugatory if she were then killed by an explosion triggered by the terrorists themselves. But the changing story about Hasna makes me less than confident that is what actually happened.

I have no difficulty with the principle that the police should shoot people who are shooting at them. I outraged many friends on the left for example by not joining in the criticism of the police for killing Mr Duggan. People who choose to carry guns in my view run a legitimate risk of being shot by the police, it is as simple as that. Jean Charles De Menezes was a totally different case and his murder by police completely unjustifiable. In Paris it appears plain that the police were in a situation of confrontation with armed suspects.

There are severe intelligence disadvantages to killing people with profound knowledge of terrorist organisations. It also cheats the justice system. Nevertheless I can conceive of situations where simply taking out by an explosion a terrorist cell might be justified. But only if you are quite certain of the situation. The case of Hasna is to me troublingly reminiscent of the case of Jean Charles De Menezes, in that it became obvious in the days after his death that everything the police and establishment had leaked to the media about him (leaping over barriers, running through the tunnels, heavy jacket, wires protruding) was a complete, utter and quite deliberate lie.

The media could help if they were in any way rational and dispassionate, or ever questioned an official narrative. It is an urgent and irrepressible question as to why the BBC journalist did not ask the French policeman “and why did you not say this 48 hours ago when you were content to allow the story to run that she was a suicide bomber?”

Similar media manipulation is at use here by the Guardian in telling us the police stormed a “terrorist apartment”. What is a “terrorist apartment”? Are the walls made of semtex? The intent of course is to assure us everybody inside was a terrorist. It is not just the Guardian. The phrase is all over the media. Again, google it.

I am worried in case Hollande’s Rambo impersonation is steamrollering justice. It may well be that Hasna was a dreadful and bloodthirsty terrorist. I do not know. It may well be she was killed by the terrorists not the police. All we know at the moment is she was in an apartment with people who allegedly were terrorists, and died in the “battle”. But I do not trust the changing stories of the authorities.


689 thoughts on “Shoot to Kill and News Management

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  • Ben-Outraged by the Cannabigots

    “Please understand some have no problem in blurring the boundaries.”

    Religion should never imbibe politics, so the blurring is accomplished by those pious souls who wish to impose their ideology on the rest of us.

    If you don’t want the lines blurred or to lose your tax exempt status, keep the fuck out of politics.

  • YouKnowMyName

    I notice that EasyJet is selling tickets to/from Sharm el-Sheik from 7th January 2016 onwards, bargain at forty quid at present. Seems that that particular global war on unicorns has been solved.

    There *is* an urgent worldwide US unicorn alert tonight, as the traditional running of the unicorns extended weekend in Bruges failed to unearth anything mythical

  • Ken2

    Good news they can now store solar power by storing the heat in salt during the day and using it through the night. Even though less is needed at night because people are sleeping. The desert areas can be used to produce masses of power.

    The right Charlie will be pleased. The biggest consumer on the Planet. Top tax evader who supports illegal wars and pollution.

  • fred

    “No Fred, there is nothing ‘normal’ about open-door immigration or the ideology of multiculturalism as promoted by the BBC.”

    It seems more natural than monoculturalism to me. I don’t think London has ever been monocultural.

  • Ben-Outraged by the Cannabigots

    ” I don’t think London has ever been monocultural.”

    Nice one Fred.

  • Habbabkuk (scourge of the Original Trolls)

    Ben “Bull-dyke” Outraged etc

    “Nonconformity drives them barmy and their motivation for camping overnight on this blog”

    _______________________

    You should be the last one to talk about “camping” on this blog, which ios not even in your country 🙂

    Aren’t there any American blogs a Californian dope-head like you could infest?

  • Ben-Outraged by the Cannabigots

    McCain can’t excuse himself from the Walk of Shame. As I recall only one Senator voted against the invasion of Iraq and he ain’t the one.

    Maybe any participation in our electoral system should be regarded as treasonous to the global good.

  • Ben-Outraged by the Cannabigots

    I sure dusted you up with that bull-dyke comment. Methinks thou dost protest too much.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    London’s problem really relates to its role as an onshore host for free-floating capital which represents relatively minimal investment (bigged-up by the usual suspects, but really…) in this country. The impact of this on the UK as a whole and the prone position of successive governments towards this cohort is what we ought to be getting our knickers in a twist about, not the skulls of Roman centurions and the contemporary polyglot that renders unto the capital, much dynamism. The flow of labour and capital is a complex matter and cannot be distilled down to slogans or indeed polarising ‘politically-correct’ (or indeed ‘politically incorrect’) narratives.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    ‘So your answer to “Who are the winners in post-intervention Libya?” is “Some of the people who support the Western appointed government.”’

    No it wasn’t. If you are going to attribute something to me and put quotes round it then kindly quote what I said.

    Well, Fred, I asked Kempe “Who are the winners in post-intervention Libya?” and you chose to join in and say there are winners and losers. Since then I’ve been trying to get a straight answer out of you regarding who you believe are the winners, and the above is my best attempt at interpreting your cryptic answers. If my interpretation isn’t correct, please clearly describe what you are trying to say.

  • fred

    “Since then I’ve been trying to get a straight answer out of you regarding who you believe are the winners, and the above is my best attempt at interpreting your cryptic answers. If my interpretation isn’t correct, please clearly describe what you are trying to say.”

    I did and it wasn’t what you quoted me as saying.

  • lysias

    Once more the Resident Inquisitor is exhibiting the trollish behavior of trying to drive commenters away from this site.

    He occasionally boasts about his success in doing so.

  • Tony M

    If even a bomb aboard and not a missile from the ground or a ship/sub off the Solway Firth, which the plane had just crossed, or the detonation of shipments of high-explosive arms and munitions routinely carried aboard these flights using a militarised strengthened version of the 747 made for such dual-usage. Who then would have had better access to Heathrow Airport air-side (the long and well known alternative), unknown “Palestinians”, working unwittingly ultimately for Israeli and Jordanian Intelligence (the PFLP-GC) or either of Israeli or Jordanian Intelligence themselves? Why then say it was Palestinians responsible and not what the theory propounded points to, however you look at it, Israelis or Jordanians responsible. Why would Iran say hire the PFLP-GC to carry this out (revenge for the Iranian plane the US shot down) when the whole world and their dog knew the PFLP-GC was a phoney, a bogeyman for gullible western couch potatoes, the purpose of which seems to have been to stoke fear, carry out terrorist attacks, and blame ‘Palestine’.

  • Metrojet

    Trowbridge – OMG its true then, yer phishings paid off, the entire gaggle is out except kempe.

  • fedup

    Once more the Resident Inquisitor is exhibiting the trollish behavior of trying to drive commenters away from this site.

    He occasionally boasts about his success in doing so.

    It’s a master race thing you wouldn’t understand!! These cybersettlers have further refined the interpretations of patrimony of Abraham to include anywhere in the real world or virtual world. These sharp bastards rely on fear of all and sundry, as it is there are ample laws to defend/protect/suppress any opposition to the “chosen ones” and there are more in the pipelines to come and then there is the convenient hook of antisemi…..

    However the psyche of these keyboard warriors suffers from self aggrandisement complex hence their “roll of achievements” that are endless and never ending!!!!!!!! In reality there are no such actualities but hey heir world their lies and their comfort blankets.

  • Mark Golding

    President Putin declared that Islamic State Forces (ISIS/ISIL/Daesh) operating in the Levant War Zone are on the “brink of total defeat” and that the Western nations claims that they had been battling these modern day barbarians has now been exposed as a “total lie”.

    According to this report, Aerospace Forces, which in the past 48 hours have destroyed 472 terrorist targets, and in the past 5 days have obliterated 1,000 of their oil tankers, and when combined with the nearly 3,000 air and cruise missiles strikes conducted by Russian military and naval forces against these terrorists since 30 September, have reduced ISIS to having only 34 operating bases—a number confirmed by Iraq’s al-Nakhil news agency.

    Adding to the coming success in defeating Islamic State forces, this report continues, are the new airstrikes against these terrorists being launched from the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle under the control of Federation Aerospace Forces by order of President Putin after France broke with NATO and sided with Russia in this war.

    Joining Russia and France too in battling ISIS, this report notes, is China, whose Foreign Ministry spokesman, Hong Lei, earlier today stated “Russia’s large-scale activities are an important integral part of the international counter-terror actions… China supports Russia’s efforts to combat terrorism”.

    Not just in words either is China supporting Russia in the Levant either, this report says, but in military forces too as an estimated 3,000 Chinese marine forces are now operating in Syria under Federation military command.

    Washington and shortly London will only complicate this struggle against ISIS considering their past official false narratives starting with Iraq, Libya, Syria and Ukraine.

    Obviously PM Cameron cannot be trusted in this struggle against an enemy whose seeds were sown by the West. Inevitably NATO will intervene to protect their Islamic State allies against total defeat and risk World War III with Russia and China and conceivably a threat to the future of this fragile planet.

  • Ben-Outraged by the Cannabigots

    I’ll settle for them as cautious, even timid when stressed, and gag-balled sycophants content to wave their arms and beg for alms with gestures rather than the usual hog-breath masquerading as words.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Fred : I did and it wasn’t what you quoted me as saying.

    Well you’ve yet again turned down my invitation to explain yourself so I’m sticking with my interpretation:

    Fred’s best answer to “Who are the winners in post-intervention Libya?” is “Some of the people who support the Western appointed government.”

    Thank you for confirming that Western intervention was a disaster for ordinary Libyans. Goodnight.

  • Metrojet

    @Fedup “It’s a master race thing you wouldn’t understand!!”

    May be referred to as living in an Ovadian bubble ie “the goyim cattle may be lied to,insulted,etc with complete impunity as they are just animals made to serve us” Rabbi Ovadia expoinding the Talmud.

    And there were 800k such devilish believers that followed his cortege! You can see them in action as we speak, as they deal with the Palestinian children.

  • fedup

    Mark Golding something big is brewing up, US has no credibility left as Putin has flown to Tehran

    The long awaited rise of the multi polar world is happening right under our nose and the project for new amercian century has just been shelved. I must admit I am looking forward to the coming trials in the Hague as various neo con are put to trial for their role in commissioning and perpetrating crimes against humanity.

    The crazed lunatics bent on owning the planet through destruction of civilisation have miscalculated their capabilities big time, hedge fund formulae do not work with the bombs and bullets flying around the place regardless of the decibel of the false narrative broadcast to the illiterate Western constituents to witness the world take over in silence and a mood of acquiescence!

  • fred

    “Well you’ve yet again turned down my invitation to explain yourself so I’m sticking with my interpretation:”

    How about you just look at what I wrote, compare it to what you quoted me as saying, see what’s different.

    Can you manage that?

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Fred : How about you just look at what I wrote, compare it to what you quoted me as saying, see what’s different.

    That’s not the way normal people communicate. A normal person who believes he has been misunderstood attempts to clarify his position. People who are trying to avoid giving an answer prevaricate as you are doing.

    Under the circumstances, it’s a reasonable presumption that you are avoiding answering because you are unable to contradict my assertion that Western intervention was a disaster for ordinary Libyans. Everything you have said in your last five replies lends weight to that presumption. Thank you again.

  • Tony M

    You’re simply incapable of giving a straight answer Fred. You’re reply to me above (if that’s what it was), was equally incoherent and incomprehensible. You talk in riddles. What you do say is so bone-headed, that taken to its logical conclusion says might is always right, criminals deserve, have earned the proceeds of their crime. Material gains for a few where once very many had something a great deal better than mere subsistence, are alright in your book. On a more personal level it’s at the root of your deviant UKOK tendency.

    On that other matter Judge Kerr has given her verdict. Exhibits are a rehashed version of Paul Foot’s, ancient account in Private Eye, with some extra ‘magic eye’ scrutiny of a few grainy, doctored many times over, photos of tampered with, fabricated evidence. The puzzle that has baffled the baffled, is solved. She’s the Chris Spivey of the Lockerbie saga, but at least he’d probably admit his interpretations may contain mistakes or error, and not abuse doubters.

  • Silvio

    Tracking ISIS to DC’s Doorsteps

    November 23, 2015 (Ulson Gunnar – NEO) – The problem with America’s “anti-ISIS coalition” is not a matter of poor planning or a lack of resources. It is not a matter of lacking leadership or military might. The problem with America’s “anti-ISIS coalition” is that it never existed in the first place. There is no US-led war on ISIS, and what’s worse, it appears that the US, through all of its allies, from across the Persian Gulf to Eastern Europe and even within Washington itself, are involved in feeding ISIS, not fighting it.

    snip

    And of course, before many of the fighters even reach the battlefield in Syria, they have spent time training, arming up and staging in Turkey and Jordan. There has been a lot of talk in Washington, London and Brussels about establishing safe havens in Syria itself for this army of rebel-terrorists, but in reality, Turkey and Jordan have served this purpose since the war began in 2011. All the US and its allies want to do now is extend these safe havens deeper into Syrian territory.

    But before that, a steady stream of supplies, weapons and fighters have been pouring over the border, provided by the Persian Gulf monarchies (Saudi Arabia and Qatar in particular) and with the explicit complicity of the Turkish government.

    German broadcaster Deutsche Welle videotaped hundreds of trucks pouring over the Turkish border, bound for ISIS in Syria as part of its story, “ISIS and Turkey’s porous borders” (video here). It was not a scene one would describe as “smuggling” behind the back of Turkish authorities, but rather a scene reminiscent of the Iraq War where fleets of trucks openly supported the full-scale invasion of Iraq by America’s military.

    Turkey’s borders aren’t merely porous, they are wide open, with the Turkish government itself clearly involved in filling up the fleets of supply trucks bound for ISIS on a daily basis.

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2015/11/tracking-isis-to-dcs-doorsteps.html#more

    American Journalist Murdered By Western Ally For Exposing ISIS Ties
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0GrcQ9kXbI

  • Jives

    Anon1 936pm,

    “According to our resident Trolls,”….

    Lovin’ your self-reflexivity,inversion and mastery of irony bro!

    Ya tit.

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