Standing for Independence 211


I have not heard anybody, anywhere, argue in public or on the media the case for Scottish Independence for six months (except for me). I have not heard any elected representative of the SNP argue the case for Independence for… well since Autumn 2014.

It is not surprising the increase in the polls of support for Independence has stalled, as nobody is putting the argument. The trouble with leaving the matter aside until support becomes overwhelming, is that if you leave the matter aside support never will become overwhelming.

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I am therefore considering standing as an Independent in the Scottish parliamentary elections, purely to put the full-on case for Independence. There are plenty of other people who can argue about the minutiae of the glorified council at the bottom of Holyrood Road. The SNP has explicitly stated it wants the votes of unionists as well as nationalists in this election. I don’t.

I want to give people who want to express their desire immediately to be shot of the corrupt and warmongering British state, a chance to say so unequivocally at the ballot box once again.

This is a question of principle. It is not undertaken with any expectation of being elected. I would stand in North East Scotland on the regional list ballot. The question is, were I to do this, are there people out there who would help me?


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211 thoughts on “Standing for Independence

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  • Squonk

    Oh my goodness. Reading the comments I’ve just realised all my friends with email accounts with American companies must be CIA agents. Lucky Craig’s just KGB!

    I have to go now as I must report back to the Tokelau government with this news at once.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    Craig,

    I used to be an enormous fan of Deek Jackson of The Landless Peasant Party. In fact – I would be amazed if you don’t know him. He’s even more Scottish than you, and so far as I am aware he has never had to resign from the SNP…cos he formed his own party. He is sometimes very funny too – in a very cutting way – and does brill videos – normally of himself – but maybe he needs a friend like you..

    “Galileo Vs Flat Earth – FKN Newz”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfzq4BknneY

    http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/ge10/man/parties/Landpower.html

    Tony

  • Silvio

    Be aware Craig that between NATO, The CIA and MI6 they have an established expertise in ensuring in a critical election, the election results are results they desire, which are not necessarily the desires of the majority of voters. And let’s not forget their previously exhibited expertise in using terrorism to manipulate public opinion to ensure it falls in line with their own point of view.

    In a recent webcast of an interview with Swiss historian Dr. Daniele Ganser (author of NATO’s Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe) he explains to his host:

    DG:……..But as the war came to an end, the OSS realised that if they continued to support the Italian communist resistance, then Italian communists would end up in power at the end of the war, and they didn’t want that at all.

    So they had to do two things. First, the SOE and OSS stopped arming and co-operating with this resistance network. Second, the CIA rigged the 1948 Italian elections. (That was the very first thing the CIA did. Today we talk about CIA torture and other issues, but people forget about the past.) Their job was to make sure that no communist gained a dominant position in the Italian Parliament, otherwise Italy could not have become a member of NATO in 1949. So, first there was the vote, and then it was rigged, manipulated. And it worked! In ’49, Italy was brought into NATO, but the CIA and MI6 made sure that through this network of stay-behind soldiers they maintained secret control of all NATO countries.

    SNIP

    …..You have to keep in mind that this stay-behind network was not discovered by accident; it was discovered by an Italian magistrate, a judge, who was investigating a 1972 terrorist attack in Peteano, a small village in Northern Italy. An anonymous telephone call summoned the police to investigate an abandoned car in the village, and when they opened the door the car exploded killing three police officers. Right after that, someone telephoned claiming that the Red Brigades (an Italian terrorist group of the extreme left) were responsible. This was later supported by a police explosives ‘expert’, who told the investigators that the explosive was very clearly one used by the Red Brigades. This official story stood for a long time, until an Italian judge, Felice Casson, looked again at the attack, and found that the facts must have been falsified and manipulated; it was a sea of lies. Subsequently he discovered that the attack had not been carried out by the extreme Left, but by the extreme Right, and that a terrorist named Vincente Vinciguerra had carried it out, an extreme right-wing member of Ordine Nuovo, a neo-Fascist group in Italy. Vinciguerra openly admitted this, saying: “Yes, it’s true, but I’m being protected by a network of secret services. Furthermore, there’s a secret network all over Europe coordinated by NATO.” That’s what he said.

    http://themindrenewed.com/transcripts/792-int-70t

    If you imagine a kinder, gentler and more law abiding bunch of generals and spooks are running the above mentioned organizations than were in charge 30 years ago, you might be right, but I wouldn’t place a bet on it.

  • Republicofscotland

    “I have not heard anybody, anywhere, argue in public or on the media the case for Scottish Independence for six months (except for me).”

    ________________

    Well Craig, there’s a whole host of folk camped out on the front lawn of the Holyrood parliament who’ve pledged not to move until Scotland becomes independent. The SNP are trying through legal means to evict them if they do I may vote for the Greens.

    There’s also talk of a independence camp being set up in Glasgow’s George Square. As for going it alone, so to speak Margo MacDonald, was a respected independent, who backed Scottish independence, so give it a go.

  • Bob Costello

    Craig, if by chance your chosen constituency for election to the Scottish parliament was to be in the Dundee area., I would give any assistance I could including the Yes bus and I am sure the Yes bus team would be willing to assist also.
    I personalty agree with your sentiment 100% and this was indeed part of the reason I left the SNP together with the disgraceful abuse by local SNP acolytes ,urged on by actual employees and officers in the SNP in connection with the “Road to Independence rally” we organised in Dundee City Square. The one you yourself spoke at.
    I wish you the very best of luck

  • Tony_0pmoc

    I don’t know what the solution is in Scotland, but I reckon the only solution in England, is to tool up our Police – Look Most of them are Really Nice They Do Not want to work For These Fascists Bastards in Control…

    but the thing is – most people in England just want to go about their Daily lives uninterrupted…

    They will not know or want to know about the slight change in policy promoted by the likes of The Daily Telegraph and The BBC…

    We are British. We do things Gently such that no one really notices…

    They can still get Coronation Street – and the Power doesn’t go off…

    Surely this can be possible..

    I honestly still think that most people – even rich people in England are basically nice..

    We don’t want to kill anyone

    We just want to change the Policy in England.

    You Scottish people – Can sort yourselves out…

    What we have now is not sustainable…and I am an old man – and I want to keep my Family Warm and well fed – with food and a natural family lifestyle that has not been polluted by the evil extremely rich people trying to destroy us – so they can be even richer???

    My Grandson hasn’t yet been born – but anytime yet…

    I want to look at him and his eyes – a Newborn – with The Knowledge That These Evil Bastards are Gone..They are History

    Yet The Americans are Voting For More..

    When we have got a crap band on…we walk out…

    When the film is so dire..but we have paid to see it…

    Sorry, I can’t take any more.

    Tony

  • craig Post author

    Republic of Scotland

    I have to confess I haven’t noticed anyone camped out in front of parliament, and I live next door. On the other hand I just got back from Africa. How long have they been there?

  • Ben-Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of Feminism

    Very sagacious. Many have made the mistaken belief that their passion and commitment could change the zeitgeist from within. You must re-invent yourself Craig with a die-casting that resonates with an archetypal revolution. Break new ground with a bull-dozer hot a hoe.

  • Republicofscotland

    Craig, I’m sure they’ve been camped since November last year, pledging to remain for five years if thats what it takes. They call themselves the Peoples Voice, and take their inspiration from the Declaration of Arbroath. The camp sits at the foot of Arthur’s Seat.

    The Scottish government have taken legal advice and plan to oust them, if they do I and many others will be pretty miffed.

    In my opinion Craig a visit to the camp from you a noted and respected independence campaigner, would do them and you no harm, and if someone with a camera happened to be there as well, who knows what, could happen.

    If memory serves there was a similar camp during the 1990’s which sought Scottish devolution.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Congratulations to SILVIO for managing to sneak in – yet again! – a long screed about his favorite obsession “Operation Gladio”.

    I’m at a loss to see its relevance to Craig’s theme but I’m sure SILVIO would be happy to explain.

    Or perhaps not.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    EoS

    Are you sure you’re not just seeing what you would like to see?

    Like a bloke in the desert seeing a mirage?

  • Republicofscotland

    “I thought someone could explain how a mythical animal associated with Fantasy and delusion, could be the official state animal of Scotland. I was wrong.”

    ________

    Ben off the top of my head, unicorns were a much sought after creature.

    The likes of James IV and other kings saw them as magical beasts, one bright spark whose name alludes me sold Narwhal horns, under the pretence that they’d came from unicorns. A Narwhal horn is actually a extended tooth possibly used in mating.

    Royalty fell for the masquerade and were so taken by the unicorn and the (Narwhal) horn, that they incorporated the creature into their coat of arms, unaware of the horns true owner.

  • Ben-Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of Feminism

    RoS; Actually the link provides the clue although indeterminate. There was actual belief in it’s existence.

    And some think you can create unicorns within the system.

  • michael boyd

    My partner and i are SNP members (now semi-disillusioned with the current party stance) in East Perthshire, you’ll get our vote if you stand here and help.

  • Stuart

    Mr Murray states;

    “No, Scottish Independence can only come from being recognised as an independent nation by the United Nations. Whether the rest of the UK likes it or not is irrelevant.”

    Trouble is as a permanent member of the security council, could the UK veto Scotland being recognised?

    Especially if it was the result of UDI.

    Even Wings over Scotland thought that UDI was the stupidest thing the SNP could do.

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/udi-is-the-answer/

    “And in the context of achieving Scottish independence UDI is indeed the answer, if we assume that the question is “What’s the stupidest thing the SNP could possibly do?”

    Over to you Mr Murray.

  • nevermind, mental health is a burning issue

    Tp all those who think an email address wit the .ru tag is just too much for people to stomach.

    grow up the USSR does not exist anymore and Putin has no desire to bring it back into Russias fold, HE HAS CLEARLY SAID SO.
    Contrast that with the fundamentalists in charge of the US armed forces who walk into any country and bomb the crap out of them.
    You have been so manipulated and conditioned by the west’s propaganda that you can’t see the facts anymore.

    the people of Diego Garcia did not get to vote whether they want the Russians English or French there. The people of the Crimea did get a say and voted with their feet for Russia to look after them.

    Thanks for your once again excellent post Silvio.

    And three cheers to the protest camp down the road from Craig, he’ll have to get his 10×4 out and look a little further than the Holyrood shed.

  • nevermind, mental health is a burning issue

    Its one heck of a haul up there from Norfolk, Craig, but you can count on me to help, wherever you stand as an Independent.

  • Courtenay Barnett

    Craig,

    With respect – I do not see you as a politician – and I believe ( again respectfully) that neither do the voters.

    You tried this once before and look where it got you.

    I had to say ( jokingly of course) at a family gathering – ” Here is my elder brother and he is a politician”. “Now here am I – an honest lawyer, who gave great pride to our mother.”

    Point is that it is a dirty game and you are not the sort/character to play it.

    My honest opinion mate.

    Cheers.
    Courtenay

  • craig Post author

    Republic of Scotland

    Having just looked, I can see them out of my window. Nadira says she notices them every day. I never noticed before. How can I be so unobservant?

  • craig Post author

    RepublicofScotland

    Nadira has just pointed out to me I have only been home ten days in the last eight weeks. That makes me feel slightly less stupid.

  • Republicofscotland

    “Nadira has just pointed out to me I have only been home ten days in the last eight weeks. That makes me feel slightly less stupid.”

    ______________

    No need to feel stupid, you’re working to put food on the table and look after your family.

    Hopefully the Scottish government will see sense and stop the eviction. I’m sure those protesters would love a hello from you Craig.

  • davidb

    I doubt even Stuart Campbell could get elected on an independent ticket, however if you are going to do it I would test the waters with a crowdfunding appeal. If you can raise the £6k we are being told our MP’s election is likely to cost, then you may as well give it a go.

    Study http://corecursion.blogspot.co.uk/ before picking a fight. the NE looks like it may be the easiest to get elected on the list, but wiser council may pick a better prospect.

    I am SNP ( twice ), but I sympathise with your position.

  • Leonard Young

    I would vote for you Craig, whether you were a candidate for SNP independence or not, because my vote would be for a candidate who is decent and promotes the idea of better wealth distribution, the single most important policy available to any parliamentary candidate. It trumps almost any other ideology, because it requires other indirectly related policies to be aligned to it.

    It depends what an independent Scotland’s approach to NATO, the US, the banking system, inequality, and a whole raft of other policies is. If independence just means a notional separation from England without enlightened policies then it might be rather a disappointing outcome.

  • Leonard Young

    Oops I meant “whether you were a candidate for Scotland’s independence or not”

  • Cjk

    Hi Craig,

    Don’t do it. You may take significant votes away from Maggie Chapman that could effect the outcome. No offence but the best alternative to an increasingly centrist snp is a decent dose of green in the parliament.

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