On the Dangers of Travelling, and on Elections 92


I have been travelling on business all week, hence the silence. The dangers of travel were brought home to me on Wednesday when, at the White Hart hotel in Lincoln, I inadvertently found myself sitting next to Nigel Farage at breakfast.

I find myself unable to get back home to Edinburgh today and cast my vote, which is frustrating. In Scotland, I do urge everyone who has not yet done so to get out and vote for Independence. I have been slightly downhearted by the tenor of some of the discussion as to whether it is safe to give the list vote to parties other than the SNP. Certainly for any supporter of Independence to give their constituency vote other than to the SNP is Quixotic. But in the entire central belt and in NE Scotland, I am prepared to state boldly – and twelve hours will prove the case – that a list vote for the SNP in those regions is almost certainly wasted, and could rather have helped elect a different pro-Independence MSP.

But I have no argument with the SNP, with Rise, with Solidarity or with anybody else supporting Independence. Differences on how to cast the list vote are largely over calculations of the best tactic, and for that reason some of the hard words and intolerant attitudes I have seen on social media – including on my favourite sites Wings over Scotland and Scot Goes Pop – are not appropriate. We should save our hard words for our enemies, not those fighting for the same cause who may have a different tactical preference. And we should look in future to change the horrible voting system to STV to give voters real choice.

On the Scottish Greens, I should say it very much differs from person to person but I am unconvinced of the strength of their collective commitment to Independence. I am afraid to say I have always found it hard to believe their leader is committed to anything but his own personal advancement. I confess it is not entirely rational, but sometimes I judge people by the feeling I get about them, and in Patrick Harvie’s case it’s “self-serving weasel”.

In England, for the first time in my entire life I find myself wishing well to the Labour Party. This is because the Blairites are self-evidently hoping their own party crashes and burns so they can launch a coup. I hope Labour does well in England because the media campaign against Corbyn has been absolutely disgusting – and because I hate the blue Tories. But even in England, I could never actually vote Labour myself until they expel all the Blairite and Brownite war criminals.


92 thoughts on “On the Dangers of Travelling, and on Elections

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  • Ben Monad

    Hob-nobbing with the Elite? I don’t know how you do it Craig. International, even local travel is far too expensive for me.

    • Ben Monad

      I feel a little like Larry Wilmore at the White House Correspondents Dinner. :0

  • Republicofscotland

    Re your vote Craig, you should’ve taken out a postal vote.

    As for the Greens, I quite like Patrick Harvey’s calm collected style when at the dias. However at this moment, I don’t think the Greens are well positioned enough to take up the reins of government.

    As for your misfortune finding yourself in Nigel Farage’s company, bear in mind by the time you return, David Coburn, may well be a elected MSP, I sincerely hope I’m wrong about that. If he does however make the cut, the debating chamber at Holyrood will, if nothing else, be more interesting, as Coburn lets rip.

    • craig Post author

      Hanife

      Yes, the Wings article is entirely disingenuous. here is absolutely no danger at all that the SNP will lose its majority.

      • Hanife

        And yet they did lose their majority by two seats. For a pro-Yes majority, they’ll now have to do a coalition with the Greens (not that that’s necessarily a bad thing).

  • Trowbridge H. Ford aka The Biscuit

    I would never avoid having meals with anyone I dislike or loath, even Nixon..

    I would ask MEP Nigel Farage what he thought about fellow MEP Gerrard Batten supporting leaker Alexander Litvinenko’s claims about fellow KGB spies, especially EU Commissioner Romano Prodi, and Sasha’s brutal murder.

    I am much more open-minded about who I vote for, and why, even when it comes to Hillsry when Bubba and his cronies tried to disopose of me while I was living in the wilds of Portugal.

    • Republicofscotland

      “I would never avoid having meals with anyone I dislike or loath, even Nixon..”

      ___________________

      Trowbridge H.Ford.

      Oh I can think of worse individuals than Nixon to dine with, Incidently do find Kissinger less or more revolting than Nixon? Or on a even par? ?

      • Republicofscotland

        Trowbridge H.Ford

        I find your accounts fascinating and a all boys own adventure stuff (mean’t as a compliment) however, (this isn’t necessarily my opinion). Wikispooks claims you present conjecture as fact.

        https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Trowbridge_Ford

        Why would they do that Trowbridge?

        • Trowbridge H. Ford aka The Biscuit

          Which conjecture does Wikispooks claim as fact, as I don’t see anything there about Nixon and his plots, though Peter Pressland did ask me to contribute to his site, and Deep Politics Forum?

          And I did so until one poster there got away with dismissing my claims about US space weapons as insane, and that I, like Haig, belonged to the Knights of Malta.

          The web is just infested with spooks and trolls.

        • Trowbridge H. Ford aka The Biscuit

          Oh, I partly misunderstood what you meant about My conjectures as fact.

          Pressland wants everything nailed down by some reliable citation which is too burdensome for stuff I put on the internet, and obviously usually unnecessary.

          To give you examples, Wikispooks has nothing about my articles on 9/11 and Manchurian Candidates in Eye Spy magazine Issue Eight which were so explosive that its editor, Mark Ian Birdsall, required me to provide extensive notes for what I wrote for fear that the magazine might be sued, but they still weren’t good enough for Pressland as they didn’t suit his conjectures.

  • AdrianD

    Apologies for this completely off-topic comment (please feel free to remove it). , but I’m not entirely sure what to make of the news that the Iraqi Parliament has been occupied peacefully. is it a sign of people coming together across sectarian lines at last?

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/05/spontaneous-protests-in-baghdad-green-zone-show-cracks-in-the-security-apparatus.html

    Needless to say, the Guardian view was that the Parliament was ‘stormed’ and that the US has warned that concentrating on corruption could distract from the battle against IS…

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/30/moqtada-al-sadr-supporters-enter-baghdad-parliament-building-green-zone

    • bevin

      “..the Guardian view was that the Parliament was ‘stormed’ and that the US has warned that concentrating on corruption could distract from the battle against IS…”
      That’s a good one! Is lives in the void created, sometimes literally, by corruption: regiments full of non existent officers and men, whose pay is being collected by a Panama based shell company, are not very efficient in battles against anyone.
      Patrick Cockburn has a good story on the subject. It also deals with the Sadrists who, you may recall from the time that they sent men to defend Fallujah, are serious about rebuilding relations between shia and sunni communities which were deliberately poisoned by the US occupiers in their haste to get a salafi ‘jihad’ going against any who refused to submit to Washington and Riyadh.
      As to this being off topic : I can’t believe that Craig wants international followers to involve themselves in the business of Scots and residents in Scotland. All the advice I can offer is to Keep Left.

  • Republicofscotland

    Labour in Scotland according to polls and media reports look set to fight it out for second place. However like the branch office in Scotland London Labour, has in my opinion, been damaged by the anti-Semitic row.

    Whether or not that will translate in to lost votes, North and South of the border, remains to be seen. But the whole event, pushed mainly by the media must surely produce some sort of negativity towards voting Labour.

    • Chris Rogers

      RoS,

      If the power of the MSM in the UK is as powerful as perhaps you seem to think it is, lets remember that despite ‘Operation Fear’ during the IndyRef, 45% of those who voted ignored its propaganda, which really was of an intense nature. The same applies to Labour Party members who ignored the MSM and the Elite and elected Corbyn. In the USA Trump has defied all media predications and assaults on him to gain the Republican Nomination, barring any Convention stitch-up, whilst Bernie Sanders, ignored completely, or derided by the MSM has won all ‘Open Primaries’ he’s stood in against Clinton, and given her a good run in the Caucus and ‘Closed Primaries’. Moral of the tale, the power of the MSM is declining, particularly among those below 40. Getting the buggers to vote is now the issue, which Sanders and the Vote Yes Campaign seemed to do.

      However, I believe the MSM still has influence over those who’s only access to news and information is the MSM or trash on TV, most of whom I guess care bugger all about anti-semitism and have far greater concerns like keeping a roof over their heads, food on the table and having their rubbish bins emptied.

      In the UK, if Corbyn survives, the 2020 election will be interesting because many of the OAP’s who voted Tory will be dead, replaced by internet savvy younger voters none too disposed to the Tories because most Tory financial attacks have been on those under 25 years of age. Time will tell, but if we can repeat the success of Sanders we may get a left-of-centre government.

      As for Scotland, well that’s a decision for the Scot’s in my opinion, and again another IndyRef most certainly would go towards a break with the UK, if only because the Scots seem to have a longer memory span than peers in England and wales.

      • Republicofscotland

        Chris.

        Good points made there, the ability to see through the smoke and mirrors, however might be limited to those, who choose to actively seek out and find information.

        Scots had almost two years of scaremongering, and in the end, all that negativity turned some voters (not enough though) away from the union.

        However in the GE of 2015 even Labour voters voted for the SNP MP’s which resulted in a monumental landslide for the nationalist party.

        This time around Labour doesn’t have the luxury of time, to heal the anti-Semitic rhetoric still pushed by the media.

        • Shatnersrug

          i would be extremely surprised if the antisemitism row had any effect whatsoever in London – firstly the Jewish community is very small, secondly Goldsmith is extremely disliked by most of us, unlike boris who many (not me) thought he might make an entertaining mayor and thirdly because Londoners don’t here names like Sadihk Khan and think – terrorist – we can, everyone us has at least 10 neighbours, workmates, friends, partners shop keepers with Muslim names.None of us are particularly scared by the idea of being bombed – it’s the risk you take you see.

          The only way Zac Goldsmith could win were if th Tories rigged the vote – which frankly I wouldn’t put past them. In that case all these Khan terrorist stories and Anti-Semitism stories are for the bridge and tunnel people who don’t have a vote in London, however if the vote is manipulated they will assume it because of these stories rather than listen to actual Londoners.

  • Republicofscotland

    Also possibly in store for you on your return, Ruth Davidson, who fled her Glasgow constituency, because she knew Glasgow is a YES city, is hoping to overturn the SNP’s small majority in Edindurgh Central.

  • Republicofscotland

    Finally although London, is predominantly a Labour town with 45 out of 73 MPs Labour. It is by no means a stick on the Sadiq Khan, will defeat Zac Goldsmith to become mayor of London, again the recent unsavoury comments, and reports by the media, may have a profound effect on the outcome.

    It doesn’t look likely however, that George Galloway, will follow in the footsteps of Ken Livingstone and become mayor of London. Pity that, I’m sure if nothing else Gorgeous George, would’ve made a highly controversial mayor.

  • Nuada

    I think you’re being hard on Wings and SGP, Craig. I think they’ve made a good case that it’s desperately dangerous to split your vote between partied in the constituencies and on the list. It had to be said.

    • craig Post author

      Nuada,

      I am afraid you have not made much effort to subject their arguments to unprejudiced analysis Nuada. It is frankly total nonsense. Today a million SNP list votes will be thrown away in the Central Belt and NE Scotland without electing any list MSPs. Suspend your judgement for 8 hours and you will see I am right.

  • RobG

    I’m not really up to speed with things north of the border, but south of the border, despite traditionally low turnouts in local elections, I think a lot of people will make the effort to vote, not least because of the unprecedented trouncing that Corbyn has received since he became leader.

    And I promise not to make a bad joke about Nigel Farage – breakfast – kippers.

    Was the waitress/waiter Romanian?

  • Andy

    Norman Finkelstein on David Cameron’s Dodgy ‘Friends’

    ”If Corbyn shouldn’t have referred to Hezbollah as his ‘friend’; and if one attaches equal value to each human life; and if war crimes are war crimes regardless of the address from which they originate—in other words, if facts rather than demagoguery serve as the basis of one’s moral calculus, wasn’t the Tory embrace of Israel incalculably worse?”

    https://jamiesternweiner.wordpress.com/2016/05/04/norman-finkelstein-on-david-camerons-dodgy-friends/

    • John Spencer-Davis

      By the way, the gentleman interviewing Norman Finkelstein and producing all this material regarding Corbyn and Cameron and this anti-Semitism nonsense from him, Jamie Stern-Weiner, is himself an Israeli and from his name I assume that he is Jewish, although I do not know that for certain.

      I think he is quite a young man and clearly one of fine and independent character, and his country should be extremely proud of him. No doubt the likes of “Israel” and his “friends” would have a different opinion. The existence of Israelis of the kind of integrity such as Mr Stern-Weiner shows, is more than enough to demonstrate that any attempt to link anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism is the sheerest bunkum. Am I supposed to secretly dislike Mr Stern-Weiner because he is an Israeli Jew? Utter nonsense.

  • RM

    “I could never actually vote Labour myself until they expel all the Blairite and Brownite war criminals”

    Should they not expel all criminals, war or otherwise? If they do so, how many politicians will be left in the Labour party?

    • Chris Rogers

      RM,

      One third of Labour MP’s voted to support Cameron in his war of aggression in Syria, whilst, if we look at the vote for the Iraq vote under Blair, whilst an overwhelming majority of MP’s supported Blair, the fact remains, they, like the electorate, were lied too, with key facts held back, many of whom have subsequently lost their seats in three follow-on elections, so, based on those facts, about 150 clean Labour MP’s would remain, many of whom are not too supportive of the Leader, a matter no doubt the grass roots membership will deal with after the coordinated ‘anti-semitism’ Witch Hunt, that demonstrates clearly most of those behind the crap don’t give a toss about their actual electorate, or constituency Party members – they have dug their own grave I hope!

    • Tom Welsh

      I doubt if Farage would drink ale or beer at breakfast – he doesn’t drink nearly as much as the media like to suggest, and is usually photographed with a pint and a fag for obvious PR reasons. But I sincerely hope he was digging into a good solid “full English breakfast”. All the dangerous rubbish about cholesterol being bad for you has been completely debunked, and it is now understood that the really dangerous foodtsuffs are sugar and refined carbohydrates. (As was well known throughout the civilized world by 1900).

  • Tom Welsh

    I can’t imagine why you – an advocate of independence for Scotland – should dislike Nigel Farage, an advocate of independence for Great Britain (including or not including Scotland, as the Scots prefer).

    • Republicofscotland

      Tom.

      Farage was and still is firmly opposed to Scottish independence, indeed he (Farage) urged the Queen to intervene and back the No vote.

      I wonder if Farage, will call upon the Queen to back the Leave Europe campaign, in such a vigorous manner.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29170924

    • John Spencer-Davis

      Because he’s an utter arsehole? Never mind his politics.

      • Ben Monad

        He started smoking (1969) after ceasing in 1955. Cronkite was devastated more by Ike’s passing, but we know why now since he was pivotal in the defeat of Adlai.

        • lysias

          There was no chance of Ike’s losing in either 1952 or 1956.

          Barr McClellan says in his book Blood, Money & Power that LBJ was a mental case and in very poor health in his last years. McClellan joined Ed Clark’s law firm in 1966 and became a full partner in 1972. He claims in the book to have met frequently with LBJ. LBJ died Jan. 22, 1973, allegedly of a heart attack at his ranch.

        • Trowbridge H. Ford aka The Biscuit

          LBJ didn’t die on Air Force One from smoking but by taking dilantin which Nixon thought was a cure-all, causing his blood clogs ultimately, and his physician gave to the former President to ease the flight back to Texas.

          The only trouble with taking it is that it is not to be taken by persons like LBJ was suffering from angina, especially if one is taking a high altitude flight somewhere, and is likely to fall asleep while doing so as it lowers the heart beat and blood pressure.

          Even the DEA warned about its use after the LBJ experience.

    • Anon1

      I can’t imagine why you – an advocate of independence for Scotland – should dislike Nigel Farage, an advocate of independence for Great Britain (including or not including Scotland, as the Scots prefer).

      Craig is advocating Scottish independence in the EU. *cough*

  • Loony

    Voting for anyone is irrelevant. Voting for Scottish independence is delusional.

    We are all subject to the dictates of the hegemonic power in Washington – and no British politician intends doing anything other than follow instructions received from Washington.

    • Habbabkuk (flush out fakes)

      I agree.

      So let’s all stop foaming, whining, bellyaching and venting on here, shall we?

      Since you’re so convinced, just lie back and enjoy it.

    • Republicofscotland

      Loony.

      Oh well according to your logic, we all might as well stick our heads in the oven, unless of course you own an electric one.

      However for those of you who still believe it’s not all futile, Scottish independence would allow citizens of Scotland to get rid of a useless lair of bureaucracy, namely Westminster.

      • Loony

        You are extrapolating beyond where reason leads.

        Westminster is not your problem – they are after all only following orders. Your problem is Washington. Failure to recognize that is where the irrelevance and delusion lies.

        • Republicofscotland

          Looney.

          If that is indeed the case that Westminster are only following orders, a independent Scotland, would then not be obliged to follow orders given to them.

          A country needs all the levers of fiscal policy to improve the lives of its citizens, Scotland currently serves two masters Westminster and the EU, Westminster we can do without.

    • CanSpeccy

      We are all subject to the dictates of the hegemonic power in Washington

      which is why it is fortunate that Donald Trump, possibly the next US President, believes that:

      “The nation-state remains the true foundation for happiness and harmony.”

  • fwl

    If Farage were a diplomat which embassy would most deserve his special blend of talents?

    • Anon1

      I’d like to see a televised debate between Farage and Murray on the subject of the EU. Nigel would have him for breakfast.

  • Chris Rogers

    What point is there in professing to uphold human rights, democracy and freedom, if we then through our own political biases invoke the electorate to vote for one party and one party only. Should we not instead suggest voters actually qualify the persons themselves they are voting for, or at least have knowledge of all those on voting lists, their stances on important issues and actual voting record if one exists, before casting a vote for those most able to represent the views we, and one would hope, the electorate actually hold dear. Voting for greed and self-economic interest only has had a devastating impact on out polity, as has FPTP, so perhaps by focusing on those who support electoral change, are open to federal ideas and put principle and human rights before greed are the ones we should elect, regardless of what political colour they dance under, which certainly will prevent the type of ‘democratic dictatorships’ we tend to impose on ourselves presently.

    • Loony

      Who professes “to uphold human rights, democracy and freedom”? If they are politicians then they are simply liars and should be exposed as such.

      If they are ordinary citizens then they should be held to account for passively standing by whilst heinous crimes are committed in their names.

  • Ross Mac

    Independence supporting Patrick Harvie is a ‘self-serving weasel’. What happened to saving ‘hard words for our enemies’?

    • craig Post author

      But is he independence supporting? I found him unconvincing during the referendum campaign and strongly suspect he trims his sails on the subject with a view to electoral advantage.

      There is a group of Greens involved with the Bella Caledonia website which is similarly untrustworthy on independence.

      There are some really excellent people in the Greens but they need to ditch Harvie and bring in a new unreservedly pro-independence leadership.

  • Anon1

    “The dangers of travel were brought home to me on Wednesday when, at the White Hart hotel in Lincoln, I inadvertently found myself sitting next to Nigel Farage at breakfast.”

    …. …..And? Did you speak? Say hello? Engage in a conversation? I thought you didn’t mind the company of those you disagree with.

    Your followers on the far-left have form here. When Farage took his family out for a quiet pub lunch in Kent, he was chased out of the pub by screaming left-wing nutters who boasted of jumping up and down on his car, while his children were so terrified they hid under the pub tables. The ‘anti-Fascist’ left, that is.

    When Farage went up to Scotland he was chased out of a pub under police protection by aggressive Scots Nats screaming “Racist scum” repeatedly to his face, unwilling and unable to engage in any debate.

    Whatever you think of his politics, unlike so many on the fascist left Farage has a good sense of humour and is always open to debate. I should hope you had a friendly chat.

    • Republicofscotland

      “When Farage went up to Scotland he was chased out of a pub under police protection by aggressive Scots Nats screaming “Racist scum” repeatedly to his face, unwilling and unable to engage in any debate.”

      ___________

      Anon1.

      Farage was chased into a pub in Scotland not out of one, do try and get it right.
      ________

      “aggressive Scots Nats screaming “Racist scum” repeatedly”

      ____________

      Anon1.

      I find it very amusing you of all people claiming others are racist, that made me laugh. ?

      • Anon1

        Reading comprehension needed, RoS. The Scots nats were chanting “Racist scum” at Farage, who wanted to debate with them but was drowned out and eventually forced to flee under police protection by their aggressive fascist behaviour.

        As to my own alleged racism, I’ll ask yet again for a link, please.

        • Republicofscotland

          “Reading comprehension needed, RoS. The Scots nats were chanting “Racist scum” at Farage, ”

          _________

          Anon1 my dear boy, I never implied that they didn’t chant “racist scum” to a racist, in the shape of Farage. I implied that they chased him, (more like followed him ) into a pub, and we all know Farage enjoys his ale.

          After several thirst quenching jars of ale Farage was camly escorted by the police away from the area, no blood spilt, only ale on Farage’s hideous UKIP tie.

      • Habbabkuk (calling a spade a spade)

        RoS

        Do shut up about Anon1 being a racist, will you?

        Anon1 is willing to debate and his points are his own, not lifted without acknowledgement from other sources.

        Very different to you.

        Apart from occasional flashes of good sense about China and Iran you are one of the most vociferous and at the same time one of the silliest posters on this blog.

        • Republicofscotland

          Habb old boy reading through your comments on this thread you seem rather agitated tonight are you feeling okay? Do you need to lie down? I would need to lie down if it were my job to cover Anon1’s back as well . ?

          • Shatnersrug

            Who is Hab on cif eh? I’ve often wondered – is he Marshall Wade? Or Grimble? Or Shaneo? Maybe huzar?

          • Chris Rogers

            Shatnersrug,

            I’ve had multiple bust ups with the pestilence ‘SHANEO’ on CIF, for my sins I’m either regularly ‘Banned’ or ‘Pre-Modded’, which essentially means my comments will not be posted. I usually utilise some for of ‘RebeccaRiots’ as a User Name, given my actual ‘named’ account is ‘Pre-Modded’. Basically now have to use a VPN to post as my IP is actually on the banned list.

            Strange is it not the Tory Office plant ‘Shaneo’ is allowed to make all sorts of claims and untruths, engage in quite provocative exchanges, and yet never gets banned, or pre-modded. But of course Comment is Free for those who tow an establishment line. Luckily we don’t see the bugger on Off-Guardian.

    • Duncan McFarlane

      They were actually students including some Labour (and unionist) student leaders. I didn’t think they should have been shouting in his face though, as much as i disagree with him.

  • Clark

    In my constituency we’re only voting for the Police and Crime Commissioner – pointless; the staff in the polling station outnumber me. The official website lists the candidates and their political parties – political parties? For the police? There’s a UKIP candidate; what am I supposed to make of that? – the only non-party candidate is actually a former police chief, but calls himself the “zero tolerance” candidate and that puts me off completely. I’ve had not a single leaflet through the door, the candidates I can be bothered to check have no website – it brings a whole new meaning to “secret ballot” when the manifestos are effectively secret from the voters. On receiving the ballot paper I see I can cast first and second choices! Wonderful, seeing as none of them seem to offer anything. I’ll be interested to see the turnout and the proportion of spoilt ballots.

    • fwl

      Clark, when faced with unknowns apparently a significant % will go for the name at a particular location on the page. In Japan to the right presumably in Britain 2nd or 3rd from the top.

    • Duncan McFarlane

      That seems very dodgy – all candidates should have to produce a web page outlining at least half a dozen of their main policies and a leaflet available to any voter that asks for one doing the same

      • Ba'al Zevul

        One of the regional papers’ websites did exactly that: each candidate was asked to reply to the same set of questions, and these were published: I made up my mind on the basis of these.

    • Ba'al Zevul

      I voted for the UKIP candidate, on the basis that as an ex-Met DI, he probably knows how the police work, and as PCC he’s formally accountable to the public. I see no point in appointing an idealist whom the police will divert, distract and delay because he doesn’t know how to avoid that; or a local business worthy who sees everything through the lens of an accountant. My second choice was the Labour guy…mainly because he’s Labour, and no more incompetent than the remainder.

      • Ba'al Zevul

        He lost. The Tory, a retired Canadian ex-diplomat ffs, beat Labour into second place on second votes; the one guy with the slightest claim to know what he was doing seems to have been nowhere. These positions should NOT be political.

  • Alan

    Breakfast with Nigel Farage? That alone is enough to ruin anybody’s whole day.

  • CanSpeccy

    Actually, it doesn’t matter in the least which way you vote because all the parties are for your extermination. Thus, as parts of Glasgow have been totally ethnically cleansed, there is not as murmur of complaint form any quarter, which makes one wonder why you found it objectionable to have breakfast with Nigel Farage, who’s continually on about how he has not problem whatever with masses of immigrants. He just wants to be sure they’re really competitive types, selected on a points system, and thus assured of displacing the huddled masses of enfeebled Scots, Welsh and English from their great industrial cities.

    • Duncan McFarlane

      That’s because they’ve not been “ethnically cleansed” – no white Glasgwegians were forced out of their homes, the city or the country at gunpoint, which would be ethnic cleansing. You either don’t seem to know the meaning of the term, or else have made up your own bizarre definition of it, in which if there’s a minority of non-white people living in a country, that equals them having murdered all the white inhabitants. It doesn’t.

  • John Spencer-Davis

    Thomas G. Clark (Another Angry Voice) is in excellent form today.

    Here was David Cameron’s Tweet posted 9:37 am:

    “Sam and I just got back from voting – whatever you’re doing today, make sure you #VoteConservative and #BackZac2016.”

    As you can imagine, that attracted not a few ripostes from Twitter…Clark has put a juicy selection up including this one:

    “Cut for time today?
    Might not make it to the polling station?
    Want to #voteconservative?
    Save time
    Just drive over someone disabled”

    http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/anti-tory-voteconservative-tweets.html

  • Paula Varley

    I feel much the same about the English Labour Party which is why I voted for them today. I haven’t voted Labour since 1997, after which it quickly became apparent that I’d been fooled, good and proper. It was a mistake which many of us made, and things went from bad to worse. What I find most galling, with respect to the sabotaging of Labour from within the PLP now, is their absolute conviction that they – Blairites and their supporters – are the only people who can save the party and win an election. It’s breathtaking arrogance, borne of delusion, because nothing in reality confirms their belief. Had it not been for the manufactured anti semitism scandal, I would never have voted Labour again until Blair, Campbell et al were standing in the dock at the Hague. Which is a cue for an Otis Redding song if ever there was one….

  • Hieroglyph

    8:38 am. That’s when the first Nu Lab drone – whom I’ve never heard of – popped up on the BBC, to undermine Corbyn. The sheer treachery of these people is quite something. Corbyn may have been ‘disloyal’, but there is no parallel: Corbyn’s left faction were totally powerless under Blair, and not once did they indulge in anything like these tactics.

    I note they are blaming Corbyn for poor Scottish election results. I no longer even admire their chutzpah. Siding with the Tories over indy has screwed the party, as many of us knew it would. Milliband has to cop that one, I’m afraid, with a nod to Mandy, too.

    • Ba'al Zevul

      Nope. Around 0710, from memory, on R4 ‘Today’.

      Looks to me as if the swing-vote Blairite/Tories are returning to their roots and the SNP has held on to the socialists. Worst of both worlds for Labour in Scotland. Unless it can come up with something uniquely relevant to the Scots’ circumstances, it’s doomed.

      BTW, why didn’t you have a word with Farage? He may not be nice, but he’s sure entertaining. Though I can imagine your embarrassment when you found yourself ordering a full English within his earshot.

  • Duncan McFarlane

    Calling Patrick Harvie a “self serving weasel” is pretty harsh and not at all sure what you’re basing it on. The majority of the Greens support independence, but they have never pretended to have independence as their number one priority. Those of them who were for independence (the majority of the party, but not 100% as in the SNP) campaigned for independence as hard as anyone during the referendum – certainly in Clydesdale when i was campaigning most Green members were out regularly.

    I think you’re assuming that anyone who doesn’t see independence as the number one aim must be untrustworthy – that’s not the case.

    Have to mostly agree with you on Labour. I don’t need to see all the Blairites expelled, but i’d have to be sure they were now a minority in the party and not likely to be able to mount a successful coup against Corbyn, or have much influence on policy – not seen either yet.

  • Gribble

    Afraid to say that your analysis of the voting is looking pretty shoogly right now, most particularly in Edinburgh constituencies. List votes are going to be crucial.

  • K Crosby

    Have you ever known participation in a fascist electoral system that begets a democratic one?

  • John Spencer-Davis

    It seems that Jeremy Corbyn is not quite the unmitigated disaster that his enemies in the Labour Party predicted and hoped.

    It’s hardly been a ringing endorsement of his leadership, that is true. But have a think about how things might have gone if the party had immediately got solidly behind Corbyn from the moment of his election.

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