Doubting Thomases 211


I have been quite amused to receive some – well actually rather a lot of – rather aggressive tweets and other social media messages from people who believe Julian Assange is dead, and are therefore outraged I had supper with him on Friday. This seems to me the ultimate in concern trolling – to pretend to adore someone so much that you are angry and upset to find the object of your adoration has not been killed or kidnapped. There are youtube videos alleging that Julian is dead which together have attracted millions of viewers. It is a peculiar kind of cargo-cult.

We now have the situation where people who had never heard of Julian a year ago are demanding that he must be visited not by long-term associates, like John Pilger and myself, but by a “trusted person”, by which these new devotees mean someone Julian has never seen before, probably working for Rupert Murdoch. Best of all are the demands for photos with a sock on the head or a newspaper. To pander to these silly demands would be a never-ending task, and merely spark a new round of craziness – “that sock on his head is photo-shopped”, “that was a double at the window”. It is not a game in which I have any interest. Undoubtedly some of it is stirred up by security services anxious to muddy the water about the authenticity of Wikileaks’ work. But most of it is from decent and genuine but misguided people.

I have been visiting Julian since before Jane from Idaho heard of him, and the purpose of visiting him is not to provide comfort to Jane from Idaho. If my word does that, fine. If she does not want to take my word, also fine. But if people could at least research who John Pilger, Yanis Varoufakis and myself are before deciding we are a CIA plot, that would be helpful. Stopping the aggressive and insulting tweets would be nice too.

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  • J

    “This seems to me the ultimate in concern trolling – to pretend to adore someone so much that you are angry and upset to find the object of your adoration has not been killed or kidnapped.”

    Priceless. Should have come with a ‘swigger’ warning for those in the act of drinking good merlot. It’s actually quite painful to lose half a swig through your nose, let alone cleaning up the keyboard and the screen afterward…

    • Chiff

      The re-definition of conspiracy theorist to mean crazy paranoid person is a masterful piece of social engineering. All it took was allowing Alex Jones’ rise to prominence. Who better to be a scapegote than an overenthusiastic guy with a mixed bag of scarily convincing and utterly nonsensical opinions.

  • nevermind

    page two O/T The PM has declined to come to Fidel Castro’s funeral extravaganza, missing out quiet of lot of opportunities to talk on the sidelines, about trade, about Cuba’s future, not to speak of the opportunity to meet and talk to Putin, a stark reminder to us all that top notch diplomatic opportunities are not naturally recognised by trained accountants.
    What a wasted opportunity, especially when all this sabre rattling, gosh 150 Dragons will go and help the Poles…. is just a mere farce.

    No more playing the worlds policeman, start funding the NHS Theresa, mental health care is all almost non existent, social care its about to crumble at xmas and you play high noon with Russia. And why do the people of Cuba not deserve some dignity in their collective grief?
    has this PM forgotten what she said in front of Downing Street? and why this empirical jousting with toothpicks?

  • Phil the ex-frog

    Everything I know about this bore of a scandal is from here. Thankfully my path doesn’t much cross this shit. However, reading this thread, there is clearly no satisfactory explanation for Assange’s lack of appearance.

    The idea that everyone should trust Craig is hilarious. He comes from a world of deceit. Even the very first line of this post is a transparent lie. I have no doubt Craig would readily lie if asked by Assange. He would enjoy the kudos once the truth comes out.

    I have no idea about Varoufakis. My hunch is he has political aspirations beyond taking a risk to appeal to such a narrow demographic. However, before this thread I had no idea Assange attracted such devotion. Ill informed devotion but devotion. I particularly enjoyed the person trying to mount a letter writing campaign to the AUS attorney general.

    Whatever, it’s great pr for these celebrity lefties.

    • Kief

      Indeed. He is penultimate royalist breeding stock, but unlike an honest broker like TE Lawrence, who eschewed publicity for his behaviors, Craig is a PR hound of Baskerville proportions.

      But he is cast in the bronze of Assange, as one of two prototypical narcissists forged into nearly identical legends,in their minds only, having nothing but some ephemeral notion of dissidence which has so little to offer us beyond their impeccable reputations.

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        • Kief

          I have no idea. I have no evidence for my opinions….just observations over time within context.

          But I have been around the Barn a few times, so maybe there’s that…

      • Phil the ex-frog

        Rob

        Thanks for your comment but I would encourage you to look for more evidence based ideas. I’m off to bed now but if you want to pursue this I am game for a later date.

          • Phil Ex Frog

            OK Rob. I do not understand what you meant by your comment to me yesterday. So as a start please would you explain, without reference to ext sources, what you were saying with:

            “get out of this left-right politics paradigm. It’s all just divide and rule, and in no way reflects reality. The actual reality is so heinous, so horrendous that I’m not sure where to begin”

    • nevermind

      Phil, some 61 people who either worked or had financial relations with the main democratic Candidate, allegedly, have died suddenly or in mysterious circumstances and the person who told us about this and many other shady deals, from the confined space in the Ecuadorian embassy, has very likely cost her the election, so what are you talking about no ‘satisfactory reason for his lack of appearance’.
      Knowing what JA knows about politics, what really goes on behind the spin merchants and white washers, do you really think he wants to join them?

      • Phil Ex Frog

        Nevermind
        ” the person who told us about this ”

        I thought he had no internet. So how is he telling us about anything lately? He isn’t. Presumably others working with WikiLeaks are. He is just a figurehead. I applaud him and defend his right to liberty but this cult of personality nonsense has even sucked you in. Do you think the world would be leak free without Assange? Can yopu not imagine leaks are a product of the information age rather than this one person? Jesus.

        I didn’t mean to, and I don’t think I did, suggest I cannot countenance something untoward is happening. I meant even accepting Craig’s account as true the situation is odd. At the very least you got to wonder why is Assange playing this teasing game? Probably he has been told to keep stum as his situation is moved towards a resolution. Maybe he’s on a ship to S America. Maybe he has an uncomely rash on his face. Maybe the Clintons have done for him (LOL). Maybe it’s just a bored, imprisoned narcissist having a laugh. Who the fuck cares.

  • notscaredofclowns

    Mr Murray,

    I am not typically a “tin foil hat” guy. There are legitimate government conspiracies in our history (I am American). I am just not certain this is one………yet. I did look into Mr Pilger and yourself. All very independent leaning and non-conformist. HAHAHA Great bonifides for reporting on this.

    You MUST be aware that while, yes, EVERY conspiracy allegation brings out those people that can’t tell where their left brain ends, and their right brain begins. We get some otherworldly theories like “Assange was cloned” and the like. We also have a great number of people that have their heads on straight, but see a CRAP-TON of inconsistencies and VERY unusual coincidences.

    You say you had dinner with him, and I take you at your word (since I don’t have any valid reasoning for not doing so). That said, I (and the great majority of those of us of the hoi polloi 😉 don’t know and have never met you. As stated previously, your bonifides will get you some measure of benefit of the doubt (among the people who aren’t batshit crazy). “I know you are covering up the fact that Reptoids kidnapped Assange and took him to Ur-anus to pick Kling-ons!” Since you were there, could you please tell us a bit more about the conversations with JA? Unless I missed something else, your only post is very brief and to the point about dinner and conversation. I also know my country better than most. For many years, I was part of the “Iron Glove” of US Foreign Policy. I know conspiracies exist, and have seen them being played out. You stated that JA is aware of everything going on regarding this situation. Why is it that he can’t/won’t take ten seconds to allay everybody’s suspicions/fears? Granted the nutties will only say he peeked out the window because he has a gun to the back of his head. Most people involved in this subject aren’t “late comers” or “concern trolls”. There are some VERY legitimate concerns from unusual WL Tweets, to Riseup’s Canary flying the coop, to still no internet, to how can @embassycat make a tweet but not JA, etc etc etc.

    This all started with the fake story regarding JA sexting some underage girl in the Bahamas. Once we found out that entire story was a plant by the fake dating site that didn’t exist until about a month before the allegation, it was evident big players were stepping up their game in trying to disparage JA. After that, all the crazy inconsistencies and coincidences started happening.

    So, without being rude, forgive most of us if we don’t immediately accept ANYBODY’s “word of mouth” that everything is hunky dory and JA is laying in bed dreaming of Sugar Plums and Fairy Dust. Even your post is very short and lacks any specific details. Could you please elaborate?

    • Jay Kerr

      Maybe you have a point, ‘notscaredofclowns’. Why trust people if all they do is post stuff on the internet? Like this, from you:

      I also know my country better than most. For many years, I was part of the “Iron Glove” of US Foreign Policy.

      Well, you say that – but why would I give your claim any credence whatsoever? It’s just a string of words deployed for persuasive effect, and you offer no supporting evidence or independent means of verification. I don’t even know who you are. So it’s just vacuous verbiage, which any rational person would discount. The claim has an indeterminate truth value, which has absolutely no influence on the credibility of the argument.

      Now, if you were a known public figure, things would be a bit different. I could check your background with independent sources. Maybe it would show you actually held the official position that you claim. It would be even better if I could verify that your career had been curtailed for speaking the truth against the political spin machine. Did that ever happen? Lets venture farther. Have you, perhaps, written any books revealing the orchestration of dirty diplomacy in international affairs, which you supported with previously classified official documents? That would really help to convince me of your fidelity. Now suppose – I know it’s fanciful – that you’d received a prestigious international award for telling the truth regardless of threats, disinformation and demonstrably false smears from people in power? Well, your credibility would really ring the bell. And, hey, if your specific testimony was corroborated by another figure of international standing with a reputation for telling it like it is, I might even start to believe it.

      Can you do any of that, notscaredofclowns? No, of course you can’t. Very few people can. That’s why we ought to treasure the testimony of people with a renowned reputation for integrity. It’s a very very valuable commodity in this post-truth era. There are people on the internet trying make us scaredoffacts – in that respect you’re right enough. So it’s especially important that we develop the nous to identify trustworthy sources and follow coherent chains of reasoning – rather than accepting anonymous disruptive twaddle posted on other people’s blogs.

      No, you don’t have to take what I say on trust either. Just go about verifying the factual claims, and if they check out OK, then follow the logic of what’s being said. You’ll get the point eventually, I hope.

      • Ba'al Zevul

        I offer a scrap of supporting evidence for notscaredofclowns’ claim to have been involved in US foreign policy. It is his/her inability to spell ‘bona fides’ correctly. Think about it…

      • notscaredofclowns

        @Jay Kerr HAHAHA By being “part of the iron glove of US Foreign Policy”, I meant that I served in both the US Navy and US Army for many years. I don’t make ANY claims that need to be verified by ANYONE. The fact that I served in the military has ZERO to do with the essence of my post.

        However, Mr. Murray’s Blog Post has EVERYTHING to do with it. I think my post was VERY fair and even handed. All I asked for was a simple post from Mr Murray giving more details of his conversation with JA, and I get a bunch of shit from you? Who are you? Nobody. Thats who. Same as me. Nobody. I wasn’t looking for bullshit from the peanut gallery. Just a simple descriptive post from Mr Murray.

  • michael norton

    O/T

    Labour’s Alison McGovern urged ministers to consider Syria move as a “last resort”.

    She read out a statement from the Syrian Civil Defence, also known as the White Helmets, which warned that Aleppo is “in a state of emergency”, with 279,000 people “under siege” for 94 days.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38134858

    White Helmets are asking for it.

    Maybe Labour’s Alison McGovern should ask questions about who funds the White Helmets?

    • michael norton

      While she is at it, she could ask who has been funding Islamic State, then see if there is any convergence of interest?

  • Paul Barbara

    It would be interesting to know if even ONE of the ‘Doubting Thomases’ had read any of Craig’s books, or even knew anything at all about him, before appearing on his blog to doubt his word?
    Cat got your tongues (or typing finger(s)), folks?

    • Macky

      I’m curious Paul, as you have appaently read his books & know so much about Craig, would you actually be prepared to stake your own life on Craig’s honesty ?

        • Macky

          Ah the cat has finally released your tongue ! 😀 But an answer that’s really not an answer !

          Are you really young or naive enough not to know that blind faith in anything, or anybody, can potentially get you killed ?

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Why all this foot-dragging in the Assange case?

    The Ecuadorians will hand over to the Swedes a transcript of his interrogation on November 14 sometime during mid-December, and Assange has handed over another sample of his DNA from the Embassy.

    Is Stockholm seeking assurances from the new Trump administration that it will not seek his execution if it ever gets its hands on him?

    • michael norton

      There are so many ways to produce electricity, more cheaply and without such ghastly risk.
      Yet Frau Theresa May has just signed a contract with the FRENCH / CHINESE for us to have more of this mindless crap
      in the United Kingdom.

      WHY?

  • michael norton

    Hey Rob,
    you were going to tell us what’s going down in FRANCE.

    Record low for Francois Hollande with 4% approval rating

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Seems the Swedish PM Lofven is trying to make up for having openly favored Hillary as the next POTUS, and is offering up Julian Assange to Washington under the condition of no capital punishment of him for any crime if Sweden gets its hands on him from the UK.

    • michael norton

      Ex-Tesco boss Philip Clarke will not face charges over accounting scandal, lawyer says

      Philip Clarke has been told by the Serious Fraud Office that he will not face action over a 2014 profit overstatement.
      Sky News

      that’s handy
      for one of the Elite

  • Roderick Russell

    Keep up the good work: Assange needs all the support that he can get.. To me people like Assange and Snowden are huge heroes since they expose the truth that unfortunately our politicians often seek to disguise.

    For example: we learnt from Wikileaks that Canada’s former CSIS Chief had disclosed to a senior American official that CSIS were actively “vigorously harassing” innocent Canadian citizens; something that they were officially denying. and (2) from Snowden that the UK’s GCHQ .had but together a training program designed to train operatives in techniques whose purpose is, in their own words, to cause “Physiological stress” and “cognitive stress” in their often completely innocent victims. Now these are the tools of a nasty secret police. In disclosing their existence people like Assange and Snowden haven’t told our enemies anything they didn’t know already. What they have done is informed the electorate on matters that our establishment would like to keep from the people..

    Truthful disclosure is essential for democracy, which is what the establishment are concerned about. People like Assange and Snowden have done democracy a huge service with their disclosures’, as you have in speaking out and writing about these things.

    • Paul Barbara

      Spot on. If our MSM wasn’t totally compromised, we wouldn’t need ‘Wikileaks’, the MSM would be doing the job (one cannot have a ‘Democracy’ without access to the Truth).
      With WWIII apparently in sight (Erdogan has effectively declared war on Syria (TURKEY HAS DECLARED WAR ON SYRIA – DOES THIS MEAN THAT WORLD WAR 3 IS ABOUT TO ERUPT IN THE MIDDLE EAST?
      Published: November 30, 2016
      http://www.blacklistednews.com/
      http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/…/turkey-has-declared-wa… -syria-does-this-mean-that-world-war-3-is-about-to-erupt-in-the-middle -east ) a mass resignation of honest journalists, with a public conference to give their reasons for their action (orders to print warped, lying articles that feed the warmongers’ agenda) MIGHT have some effect at waking people up; but I doubt it will happen. They are likely tol lose more than their jobs if (when?) the balloon goes up.

  • Wendy Hijazi

    I must confess, I never particularly cared either way due to having grown up in the San Francisco Bay Area and the tremendous smear campaign there against him. I’ve always loved Wikileaks and supported Bradley Manning (well, not perfectly, only sent like 5 letters). But, until the DNC actively fought against the Bernie campaign and nobody was reporting it, but we were watching it on the ground, that’s when I started studying about his case. So, sincerely- I loathe Murdoch- and wish he’d GTFO out of our media. And, I do care because I realize his thoughts are revolutionary and we need WL. I think it’s wonderful he has friends he can trust. So, if we see a pict/ vid/ anything would allay our fears. I wouldn’t want to influence any one person’s decisions one iota. I actually respect people’s privacy no matter how high or low they are. Bless~

  • Wendy Hijazi

    If you and Julian Assange actually want us all to stop- caring, petitioning the gov to drop all charges, writing letters, donating, incurring criticism from almost all of our left and a lot of our right wing friends, c’mon, you aren’t saying that’s what you want. Because what kind of friend would that be? I’m not saying he/ you need us. In this world I’d have to be naive to think anyone as prolific as JA needs anyone save a few close friends. But, if you were a close trusted friend, you would not want us to stop caring. What a dark world, to be made to feel bad for showering concern, as if that were a damnable offense.

  • John Berry

    Bullshit. Have you heard of controlled opposition?

    This is when someone makes a career of pretending to by a good guy, but is secretly working with the bad guys so that he can at key moments hurt the movement he is meant to be leading, he can also subtly lead it off course.

    So far the only evidence we have that Julian Assange is alive if your word, and that of John Pilger, especially since nothing in the Pilger video that Julian said indicates it was so recent.

    The phone calls can be effortlessly made with Adobe VoCo and similar technology intelligence agencies have been reported o have for years, if Julian Assange was taken there are 4 proofs of life that are easy for an intelligence organization…

    1: Use people that have reputation but can be leveraged, or are working for you (John Pilger and yourself).
    2: Create an interview where the interviewer (not in the same frame) asks questions that are specific as to date, but the answers given are general, you could hold an interview with Elvis on the 2016 election that way!
    3: Lots of low quality phone calls, it seems he can’t pickup a wifi signal, he can’t use a cell phone’s data connection, he can’t appear at the window, he can’t be in a video that provides a high quality proof of life, he can’t use the PGP key to verify himself, but unlimited shitty phone calls with zero value.
    4: Dress the cat up, applications to go to a funeral, hold an interview with Sweden’s lawyers, have him meet again with Pamela (spirit cooking) Anderson, but no photos or videos)…. Create lots of apparent activity, all of it have ZERO quality as proof of life but easy to create a sense of activity.

    Why can Julian’s lawyer not see him?
    Why can he not go to a window?
    Why can he not pass on either the PGP key to WL, or create a message with it and physically give that?

    Why is every easy to fake means of providing proof of life in spades, but the hard and impossible to fake ones entierly absent?

    Sorry, but it is no longer plausible, I would like nothing more than for him ok be ok, but at this point it is bizarre to think that he could be in that Embassy strictly avoiding the many ways he could prove he is in there!

    If he is in there he doesn’t want us to think he is, that is the only conclusion I can draw, the more likely possibility is that his true friends were killed one by one leading up to this, the vans were captured on video, the airport was shut down with a chemical attack and a US Extraordinary Rendition plane flew from London to the US.

    That makes sense, then all the bullshit since is how it would be expected to go.

    Yes, it is possible to manipulate photos and videos, but the reason you aren’t providing those forms of proof isn’t that they might not be universally accepted, but because it is too hard to do a good job that can’t be caught out!

    • Jay Kerr

      Bullshit. Have you heard of useful idiots?

      If you think that an international abduction conspiracy (featuring Craig Murray as a long-standing sleeper agent with a fake whistleblower backstory) masterfully executed with no witnesses or leaks, is more credible than the simple fact that Julian Assange has gone partially incommunicado after having his internet connection cut off, then I’m afraid your internal plausibility gauge is shot to bits.

      The straightforward story is supported by direct communication and testimony from credible witnesses, including the man himself. On the other hand, the abduction theory discounts that same evidence by positing elaborate conspiracy narratives involving a network of conniving government agents and fake whistleblowers, and it rests only on subjective suspicions and rumours rather than any direct evidence. (“How likely is it that he wouldn’t have done … blah blah blah?”) A series of subjective evaluations measured only against your own expectations does not constitute evidence. Appeals to your own ignorance have limited rhetorical force. They only prove the weakness of your own conclusions.

  • John Berry

    But really, I held out hope that JA was in the Embassy until on the 9th or 10th of November when we heard he didn’t have his internet back.

    The reason for depriving him of his internet was the US election, after that was over the only reason to continue that was to continue the ruse that he is in the embassy!

    If he was really in that Embassy he would have had his internet returned to him, at least until a new excuse to remove it, but no.
    That was the point that believing his was in the embassy became the fringe thought.

  • michael norton

    http://www.france24.com/en/20161127-syria-civilians-thousands-flee-regime-advance-rebel-held-east-aleppo-assad
    Good film of the White Helmets pulling babies out of rubble.
    They do not even hide,
    that the film is shot and offered by the White Helmets, in the last minute of the video, it says that the life-line to Turkey has been cut by the Syrian/Lebanon/Russian/Iranian troops.

    What it does “show” is that the “moderates” and the White Helmets are being supplied via Turkey.
    Yet a couple of months ago
    we were told by Turkey that the Turks had sealed the border between Turkey and Syria.

    So if no re-supplies have been forth coming for the last two months from Turkey to the “moderates”
    how come they Syrians have just cut them off.

    I would guess that Turkey has been supply the “moderates” all along, with the view to topple the Syrian government and steal Syrian land/resources.

  • Sharp Ears

    The WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has no “quick way out” of the Ecuadorean embassy in London where he took refuge more than four years ago, Ecuador’s prosecutor has said
    Julian Assange: Ecuador says no ‘quick way out’ of embassy impasse
    29 November 2016

    Ecuadorean prosecutor says standoff ‘attributable to Swedish prosecutors’ as transcript is prepared of evidence given in London interview

    Julian Assange has been living at the Ecuadorean embassy in London for more than four years.An Ecuadorean state attorney accompanied by a Swedish prosecutor questioned Assange at the embassy on 14 November over allegations that he committed rape in Sweden in 2010.

    Ecuador’s prosecutor, Galo Chiriboga, said Ecuadorean officials would send the official transcript of Assange’s evidence to Swedish authorities “in mid-December”.

    Assange, who is Australian, has said he fears deportation to Sweden and the United States, where he could be charged for the publication of hundreds of thousands of secret US diplomatic cables.

    Julian Assange faces Swedish prosecutor in London over rape accusation
    Read more
    “Four years have passed and we are only at this stage, but that is no longer attributable to Ecuador, it is attributable to Swedish prosecutors. I do not think there is a quick way out,” Chiriboga said.

    Assange, who has denied the rape charges, is also wanted by British authorities for violating the conditions of his house arrest, which he fled to seek refuge at the embassy.

    Ecuador’s foreign minister, Guillaume Long, has said Assange should receive guarantees that he will not be extradited if he faces justice in Sweden.

    A DNA sample had been taken by British police from Assange at the embassy for Swedish prosecutors to use in their investigation against him, Chiriboga said.

    “Therefore Sweden will now have to request that DNA sample from the British police,” the prosecutor said.

    With Agence France-Presse and Reuters

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/nov/29/julian-assange-ecuador-says-no-no-quick-way-out-of-embassy-impasse

  • michael norton

    The Dutch are set to go to the polls in March next year to vote for their new leader and recent polls suggest Wilders could be a serious contender for the role amid growing frustration with the current coalition government.

    The EXTREME far-right party’s soaring popularity comes amid Wilders’ ongoing court trial after he was charged with discriminating against the Dutch-Moroccan community.
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/738058/Netherlands-Nexit-Geert-Wilders-tops-polls-EU-far-right-Party-for-freedom-pvv
    Nexit: Now Netherlands looks set to leave crumbling EUOPEAN EMPIRE as EXTREME far-right party TOPS POLLS

    So
    United Kingdom, The Netherlands, the U.S.A. and next FRANCE

    all lunge to the EXTREME RIGHT

    whatever happened to Socialism / Liberalisim

    they seem to be falling through the floorboards?

    • Bronwyn Beistle

      Find a socialist government that can actually stand up to the forces of disaster capitalism. Anything less will merely destroy the credibility of the left, like the horrible Third Way Democrats in the U.S. or New Labour in the UK.

  • Velofello

    “You want me to appear at the window do you? Will a T-shirt with target rings do? Aye right”. Another Scots trait, scepticism.

  • Bronwyn Beistle

    Actually, thanks for mentioning it, because I was unsure how to feel about these conflicting reports, and you’ve actually set my mind at rest.

    About Assange, anyway. I’m a bit worried about Ed Snowden’s future. I hope the stories about Putin & Trump’s closeness are just Clinton campaign propaganda.

  • Ellie B

    Are you being compromised here?
    Why would you lack such compassion for the mere concern of a general public who was told a month ago by Assange himself to watch out for him as he feared he was in grave danger ..

    Could you answer why it is so irrational for rational thinking people to be told he is in danger and asked by himself to watch out for him then to be told we are over zealous in out caring actions of not accepting word of mouth proof or half hashed poor quality faceless interviews ..

    Surely you know that there have been convincing videos Warning of a CIA takeover of Wikileaks as a plot to ensnare future whistleblowers. this together with what looked like a dead man code released a while back is all very alarming.. Why are you so insensitive as to not realise this?..

    Regardless of wether this is true or not surely you would think Assange “if he was able” would simply pose for a picture with a Newspaper to appease the caring public…

    The only explanation I can think of for not doing this is he is captured, having plastic surgery, or a complete and utter uncaring bar steward ..Take your pick..

    • Peter John Bailey

      Yes, plastic surgery is actually a very serious possibility which would explain why Pilger and Murray have in a sense compromised themselves, or let us say have not been completely clear with us. So this is a ruse to protect their friend Julian and give him time to prepare for his “new” life and if so then may they be forgiven.
      If it is not this, then something just does not add up and they, despite their protestations and those of others on this thread, are well aware that what has been presented is just not good enough given the circumstances and also the precedence set by Julian himself……..or he really doesn’t give a shit about the caring public.

      Personally, I have often thought that there is a strong possibility that Wikileaks is being used as controlled opposition. Yes, they give us revelations, but never the complete picture and I include John Pilger in this. For me, there is a litmus test, the elephant in the room, the 800-pound gorilla that “THEY” the so-called alternative media rarely talk about and it is huge. OPIUM: “illegal drugs, which have played such a vital role in our wars for the last sixty years. Since the illegal drug industry produces between a half a trillion to a trillion dollars per year in tax-free profits, these operations are vital to the stability of our banking system, which uses money-laundered cash from drugs to stay afloat” Afghanistan, Vietnam are both areas of Pilger’s , as a war correspondent, expertise, he tells us of Operation Cyclone but not a murmur about the drug trade. and how it is controlled and managed by special groups within the intelligence agencies, in bed with organised criminal gangs. Sorry, but this just does not make sense if you are an investigative journalist….not a word about it.
      Another litmus test is 9/11, yes, controversial and I can understand why the likes of John Pilger and Robert Fisk may not want to “sully” their good reputations on such a divisive and controversial, but yet essential topic.
      Let me say now, that until now I have thought John Pilger to be one of the very best and honest journalists from the last three decades, and I like what I see of him as a person, but I found his sitting on the fence over 9/11 to be disconcerting, it was like he did not want to lose his readership and his contact with MSM. Whatever the truth is it is not what we are told is the “official version”
      He says:
      “I think the most plausible is the “let it happen”, now at what stage it was let happen, I don’t know, I don’t know. But certainly, that seems to me, the most plausible. There is no doubt that 9/11 became the opportunity for a new “Cold War” basically, only called the “War on Terror”. But beyond that I wouldn’t want to…”

      But Julian Assange well this is what he has to say “I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.”

      Is this the statement of a real, honest researcher ? Or is something a spook would say to throw people off the track?

      Again in Wikileaks very few post about the drug trade, controlled by the intelligence agencies; there are some, but very few really, blink and you miss it, but yet it should be a priority, it is a major source of funding for covert wars and operations, it is kind of buried. Why? Anybody with any knowledge of this knows that it is a main ingredient in the war machine, oil, drugs and arms and almost nobody discusses it, certainly not on mainstream Internet channels.
      From a modest 185 tons at the start of American intervention in 2001, Afghanistan now produced 8,200 tons of opium, a remarkable 53% of the country’s GDP and 93% of global heroin supply.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TflbvLqQbKU

      I have lifted quotes from this link below, an interesting look at Wikileaks
      https://stevenhager420.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/the-sad-truth-about-wikileaks/

      So are Pilger and Murray compromised? Are they left-gateways?
      It would appear that they have not been completely transparent and clear with u, something is not quite right with the picture they present.

      I am constantly reminded of the nagging doubts, the contradictions, the obvious and not so obvious paradoxes like, according to his former butler, that Castro was a CIA asset, (think about this one, do the research communism is just another divide and control experiment/device . Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean, Anthony Blunt and Kim Philby all Soviet spies were at the very top of British Intelligence, that Lenin and Trotsky and the Bolsheviks were funded by Wall street, Hitler was supplied and funded by British and American industrialists and banks, and so the list of deception by people we trusted just goes on and on back through history.

      Oh, what a tangled web we weave. When
      first we practise to deceive!

      “And thus I clothe my naked villainy
      With odd old ends stol’n out of holy writ;
      And seem a saint, when most I play the devil.”

      Yes, Graig Murry we are right to be suspicious and concerned.
      There may be a very good reason for your apparent lack of clarity, in time all will be revealed, but understand that we are concerned, understand why we are concerned
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvYL7DBxVqU

        • Peter John Bailey

          “Always tell the truth. Tell a lot of the truth. Tell a lot more of the truth than anybody expects you to tell. But never tell the whole truth.”

          • Peter John Bailey

            http://henrymakow.com/2015/05/Fidel-Castro-Worked-for-David-Rockefeller%20.html
            James Perloff said (May 13, 2015):
            Note the absurdity: the U.S. spent billions and sent 500,000 troops around the world to Vietnam to “fight communism,” yet it wouldn’t lift one finger to fight communism in its own backyard (Castro’s island is only 90 miles from our shores). The CIA could also have easily had Castro assassinated; I have always believed the “attempts” myth was standard company PR disseminated as a “leak.” As an interesting aside, Castro did not suppress Freemasonry in Cuba as he did the church; over 300 lodges are still operating there today:
            http://hedgemason.blogspot.com/2013/03/another-look-at-freemasonry-in-cuba.html.

          • Clark

            P J Bailey, start here regarding Craig’s take on drug trafficking:

            https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=heroin

            This blog’s internal search is in the panel on the right; you could also try “opium”, “dostum” and “karzai”.

            As to lack of relevant material from Wikileaks; Wikileaks is a publisher. If they haven’t received a leak, they cannot publish it. You’ve answered yourself as to why they haven’t received leaks on this matter; “…the drug trade, controlled by the intelligence agencies…”.

      • James Dickenson

        ” . . . communism is just another divide and control experiment/device .”

        You may be right?

        “In a few words: there is no such thing as Soviet technology. Almost all — perhaps 90-95 percent — came directly or indirectly from the United States and its allies. In effect the United States and the NATO countries have built the Soviet Union. Its industrial and its military capabilities. This massive construction job has taken 50 years. Since the Revolution in 1917. It has been carried out through trade and the sale of plants, equipment and technical assistance.
        . . . Because 50 years of dealings with the Soviets has been an economic success for the USSR and a political failure for the United States. It has not stopped war, it has not given us peace.
        The United States is spending $80 billion a year on defense against an enemy built by the United States and West Europe.
        Even stranger, the U.S. apparently wants to make sure this enemy remains in the business of being an enemy.“
        http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/appendix_b.htm
        “Taken together, these four volumes constitute an extraordinary commentary on a basic weakness in the Soviet system
        The Soviets are heavily dependent on Western technology and innovation not only in their civilian industries, but also in their military programs.
        An inevitable conclusion from the evidence in this book is that we have totally ignored a policy that would enable us to neutralize Soviet global ambitions while simultaneously reducing the defense budget and the tax load on American citizens.”
        http://www.crowhealingnetwork.net/pdf/Antony%20Sutton%20-%20The%20Best%20Enemy%20Money%20Can%20Buy.pdf

  • Bobbo Conspirto

    It’s amusing that in today’s day and age — a time when “conspiracy theorists” are being validated left and right — we STILL cling to that term as something derogatory.

    • Paul Barbara

      The CIA did a very effective job; those who take the ‘cock-up’ line, that the government and it’s agencies are so cack-handed they couldn’t pull off ‘False Flag’ events, are barking up a gum tree.
      The CIA, and other agencies, are extremely competent at their jobs; they might be evil, but they are effective.
      Their plan to delegitimise questioning of government narratives worked at the time, and is still working more than 50 years later:
      ‘Weaponizing the Term “Conspiracy Theory”: Disinformation Agents and the CIA’:
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/weaponizing-the-term-conspiracy-theory-disinformation-agents-and-the-cia/5524552

  • michael norton

    BREXIT WRECKS IT Frau Nicola Sturgeon is warned the SNP’s bid for a second (once in a life time)
    independence referendum on wings of BREXIT vote has backfired

    A shock poll revealed support for leaving the UK fell below 45 per cent for the first time since the historic 2014 ballot
    https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/244367/nicola-sturgeon-warned-the-nats-bid-for-a-second-independence-referendum-after-brexit-is-a-turn-off-for-yes-voters/

    that’s a pity

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