Musing with Bateman 104

It has been a bit hectic, with over 100,000 unique visitors to this little blog in the past 24 hours. For a change of pace, here I am chatting with Derek Bateman, with a chance to consider the broader sweep of political events and historical trends. From the excellent Newsnet Scotland.

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104 thoughts on “Musing with Bateman

  • Habbabkuk

    You are becoming quite a media personality. I wonder if you’ll be invited onto “Question Time” one of these days – would be fun!

    • Oliver Williams

      I concur with respect to Question Time.
      Although getting the other guests not to interrupt is quite a hurdle in itself.
      Especially if what you are saying does not fit to the accepted narrative.

    • Republicofscotland

      Interesting, but I fear Craig (if QT’s history is anything to go by) would be facing down, four neoliberal panel members. The BBC always likes to stack the deck, and the audience for that matter.

      • Anon1

        I don’t know, he could get a Will Self, or a Laurie Penny, or Diane Abbopotamus, or Emily Tenbelly, or ‘IRA’ John McDonnell.

        As for the audience you would have to be having a laugh to to suggest it isn’t stacked with left-wing activists and SJWs.

        • Republicofscotland

          You’re right you don’t know.

          During the Scottish indyref, QT, had four unionist to one indy supporter on just about every panel north of the border. Many people had their eyes opened as to the bias of the BBC including Dimber’s, who constantly interrupted the one indy politician if they made a good point.

          Bateman is an ex-beeboid, he knows the score.

  • michael norton

    It may not be “all the fault of the immigrants”
    but 100 years ago there were 2,000,000,000 people in the world,
    now there are more than 7,000,000,000.
    Recently it was said in twelve months 2/3 million immigrants moved into the United Kingdom,
    mostly into England.

    This is the main reason we have voted for BREXIT

    People have had enough.

    • Shatnersrug

      I haven’t – I want more, you lot will all be dying off soon anyway, so that should take the population down a bit.

      • K Crosby

        Quite agree, I want “the” “immigrants” to paint it black, like they did 500 years before the fucking English arrived.

  • Demetrius

    During the high time of the British Empire Britain was neither a democracy nor a place where the ordinary people had any say so please do not saddle us of the lower orders with the responsibility for what happened in Empire. It was you upper class lot who are now wringing your hands and blaming others. That being so the great majority of Brit’s were little or no better off than others in the world. Just check out the Census Returns in detail. If you take the military during Sikunder Burnes time they also paid a price. In the twenty years between the mid 1820’s and mid 1840’s the 4th Light Dragoons later Hussars were in India and lost near 800 men from disease alone. This was all too typical.

  • Deepgreenpuddock

    Craig- you said here something like
    ‘you cannot be anti-immigration and not be racist’ referring to the reason why people voted for Brexit.

    Please correct me if that is not correct but I think you said this several times, in slightly different ways.
    cannot quite agree-although the disagreement may be a semantic one.

    One of my concerns is not ‘immigration’ as such-in principle, but the disorderly ‘free market’ method of introducing it.
    It seems to me that this process has undermined many features of the position of ordinary people.
    The introduction of substantial numbers of people without insight and attachment to the institutions of this country, or an acquaintance, with the cultural and linguistic norms must create problemns since these people are likely to gravitate to particular areas and create high local concentrations ,and creating unanticipated pressures and competition for resources and services.this is a recipe for discontent and disruption, and what annoys me greatly is that this process is extremely easy to predict.

    For instance what is the effect of introducing a very significant ,rather financially/educationally disadvantaged, without support /contacts and family networks, -work force into an area with poor life conditions where the poor immigrants then compete for the (relatively) sparse resources.
    What about the introduction into an area of large numbers of easily manipulated non-unionised labour or people no knowledge of the tradition of (say) union representation and with a language barrer to recruitment to unions?
    I thin you need to be careful who you call ‘racist’

    What I resent is the way in which ‘immigration’ was used as a social manipulation weapon by unscrupulous political actors. I do wonder if the kinds of people who were responsible for this disorderly, ill-considered process are actually the real institutional racists-the exploiters of the disadvantages of being born in the erstwhile satellites of the Soviet empire.

    A second point- Re Sikunder Burnes.
    i was acquainted with a retired Professor of History at Aberdeen University-John Hargreaves.He died recently (2015). His interest was mainly West Africa but I remember reading one of his pamphlets which gave an analysis of the prevalence and prominence of the lads o’pairts from the area around the north East of Scotland which may be interesting to you.
    As a history graduate,with an interest in West Africa i am sure you are familiar with John’s work.

    • K Crosby

      You’ve inadvertently described the process by which rich bastards form colonies of substantial numbers of people without insight and attachment to the institutions of this country or an acquaintance with the cultural and linguistic norms, which must create problems since these people are likely to gravitate to particular areas and create high local concentrations, forcing unanticipated pressures and competition for pashminas, resources and services; this is a recipe for discontent and disruption.

    • Habbabkuk

      To be top billing on that egregious ZeroHedge website is an honour only slightly lower than being regularly invited onto RT.

      It’s “Question Time” or nothing, say I.

    • Habbabkuk

      A faker whose fakery occasionally shows when he gets over-confident, as all those who have followed his various personal droppings can confirm.

    • lysias

      Something else in Zero Hedge’s favor: they were on that outrageous list of alleged Russian propaganda sites of PropOrNot.

  • DEFCON 2

    Syria owes an eternal debt of gratitude to CM for exposing the al-Ghouta sarin false flag and preventing kamm & co from bombing its capital. I wonder if CM is similarly owed by America for the forthright post debunking CIA Russian hacking allegations, a post seen by a record 100k mentioned? Civil war is about to break out in the US, with an impotent transvestite Obama being forced into the intrigues of the deep state in its quest to overturn the Trump victory.

    • Habbabkuk

      “ impotent transvestite Obama”

      It is silly squibs like the above that cause this blog reputational damage.

      Many more of them and Craig will never get on to “Question Time”.

      • Ba'al Zevul

        Hear, hear. As I cannot see what prompted this, though, I have to assume it was the Norton object. I strongly recommend that you try ‘Habbabreak’, Habba. Its capacity for reducing blood pressure is unrivalled, and it works just as well for Norton as for anyone else.

        • Habbabkuk

          I would never use Habbabreak, Baal, ‘cos coarse (and even non-coarse) silliness has to be combatted to the best of one’s ability wherever it occurs.

          Why the handle “Norton”, I wonder? The original Nortons were graceful, elegant and full of performance. However, they did leak fluids, which I suppose might explain the choice.

          • Ba'al Zevul

            Fair comment. But if that had been its intention, it would surely have named itself ‘Enfield”, a marque which was notorious for its poorly-fitting gaskets. Though otherwise excellent mechanically – perhaps modesty forbade?

            I see I am about to offend Trowbridge with this o/t excursion, so I will at once mention Lord Brougham by way of amends.

          • Trowbridge H. Ford

            Right, Ba’al, Old Henry was the grand-daddy of all those so-called Scots joining the English.

            He even moved from Edinburgh where he was born to Westmoreland to get a proper education and life.

        • Alcyone

          Stop defaming Norton. He is harmless compared to The Troll and does leave comments alongside unlike the second-hand newsreeler.

          • Shatnersrug

            I agree, norton is a bit decrepit but he does contribute some salient points, when he’s not blaming brown people for everything

          • Ba'al Zevul

            No-one’s defaming anyone, Villager. OTOH, no-one’s trying to ingratiate themselves with anyone either, know what I mean?

  • Brianfujisan


    Some good points there, you seem to be talking about the natural flow of people..

    As we live in Ferocious times right now, we have add the crisis of massed Refugees from war zones created by western war Criminals..

    Cameron, Blair, Obama, Clinton,

    All the all the death and destruction, Flotsam Babies.. Desecration of Ancient sites.
    And all for the War on terror.. And Now, American lawmakers have introduced a so-called Stop Arming Terrorists Act that aims to protect US taxpayers’ dollars from being spent on supporting and arming international terrorist groups through covert operations and third states. Will this prevent the Nobel laureate From sending more arms to said Obama now intends..It’s so twisted you couldn’t make it up.

    Regards the Russians

    Good interview with Craig here –

    • michael norton

      Brian two of those you have just mentioned are of Scottish descent
      Blair and Cameron

      and you left off Brown

      • fred

        Blair isn’t exactly of Scottish descent. He was born and raised in Scotland by Scottish parents but he was adopted, his natural parents were English.

          • Shatnersrug

            No this isn’t true, Blair’s father Leo was adopted by a Glasgow ship builder named James Blair he real
            Parents were entertainers but there origins unknown.

            Nope Blair is a Scot through and through – he’s dodgy accent is a complete affectation from oxbridge days.

          • fred

            Sorry, it was his father who was adopted, Blair’s natural paternal grand parents were English and mother was of Irish descent.

          • Brianfujisan

            Cheers for the family tree..Folks.

            If you become Independent,
            you can keep all three.

            When we get Independence, we shall try all three for war crimes,

          • Republicofscotland


            Blair, Brown and Cameron, did Scotland no favours during their tenures, they did however carry out their dirty deeds, whilst in power at Westminster?

        • Gulliver

          His father, Leo was adopted and was the son of travelling entertainers who put him up for adoption. Tony Blair was not adopted and was the natural son of Leo & Hazel Blair.

          • michael norton

            Right, so three of the last U.K. Prime ministers are of Scottish descent
            Blair, Brown and Cameron.

            If you become Independent,
            you can keep all three.

          • Sharp Ears

            Bliar is following in the grandparents’ footsteps. He is a travelling entertainer and highly paid.

            If only he had followed his heart’s desire to be an Ac-Tor. Think of the millions of Iraqi and other lives that would have been spared and the Middle East would not be the cauldron it is today. He has a lot of confessions to make to his priest and absolutions given by his Church!

          • Sharp Ears

            Estimated violent deaths
            Opinion Research Business survey 1,033,000 deaths as a result of the conflict Time period
            March 2003 to August 2007
            PLOS Medicine Survey Approximately 500,000 deaths in Iraq as direct or indirect result of the war. March 2003 to June, 2011
            Casualties of the Iraq War – Wikipedia

            Plus those in the cauldron as I call it – Afghanistan, North Waziristan, Libya, Yemen, Occupied Palestinian Territories, Gaza, Syria. Egypt, and on and on……………


          • Anon1

            What the fuck does “Opinion Business Research” know? Other estimates say 150,000, some considerably less, but what most have in common is that they are a counting every death up to and including someone not being able to get heart surgery because there’s a turf war between various religious fanatics. Those who come up with ludicrous figures like 1.75 million, or the most exaggerated I have heard so far – 3.2 million – are still counting every death as a consequence of the invasion.

          • Sharp Ears

            Suggest the two doubters in denial read this by the Medialens editors and learn some facts.

            ‘Unusually for the ‘mainstream’ press, Andrew Buncombe of the Independent wrote a piece focusing on the death toll in Iraq. As he notes, a study conducted by Johns Hopkins University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health, published in the prestigious journal The Lancet in 2006, estimated the number of Iraqi dead at around 650,000. Even worse, a report (pdf) last year by Physicians for Social Responsibility estimated the Iraq death toll as around . Added to this ghastly pyramid of corpses, the Bush-Blair ‘War on Terror’ has led to 220,000 dead in Afghanistan and 80,000 in Pakistan. These appalling figures hardly ever appear in the ‘mainstream’ media. As Les Roberts, one of the Lancet authors, observes, the media is guilty of ‘failing to report on uncomfortable truths.’’

            Bush-Blair and The Great Iraq War Fraud
            13 July 2016

          • Anon1

            You have variously alleged “millions”, 1.03 million, 500,000 and 650,000.

            If we take one figure over the others, you are saying that the other “credible” figures are wrong by hundreds of thousands.

            Hundreds of thousands of ‘deaths’ added or subtracted because you haven’t got a clue what the actual figure is.

            All of these alleged surveys report that the vast majority of deaths were as a consequence of Muslim-on-Muslim violence subsequent to the invasion.

            If you remove the brutal but secular dictator, they start slaughtering each other. The crime of the Iraq War was the stupidity of believing that there could a peaceful, democratic coexistence between various stripes of fanatical Islam.

            The only way to keep the lid on violent Islamic extremism in the Middle East is firm autocratic rule supported by a particularly vicious secret service. You must know this because you support Assad.

    • Deepgreenpuddock

      I think the process of having open borders/free movement needed to be managed in some way to avoid high concentrations of immigrants attracted to (say) East Anglia, with plenty of casual labour opportunities. The weakness of immigrants was exploited. The benefit has largely been to the business /land owning class there, which have increased profits and have induced /caused proliferation / creation of some very dodgy practices such as gangmasters, and other extortions, relating to living conditions and encouraged criminality and difficulties in policing this criminality.
      The process is not in any way regulated or controlled. The problems were entirely predictable.
      One must reflect on the way that New Labour made decisions in the full knowledge of their actions.

      Another factor that is rarely raised is that the countries which have provided the majority of this immigration are relatively poor ex-soviet satellites such as Romania. Czech republic, Slovakia, Poland and Bulgaria.
      Immigrants from France or Germany are rarely mentioned because generally these people are not arriving in this country in a weak position, since their own country offers better opportunities.

      The point here is that countries such as Slovakia are losing disproportionate numbers of their more healthy young, vital people. These are the very people who would make a difference to the viability and development of these countries.
      We create ‘disadvantages in both the host and the donor country and all to suit the short term profits of business, and some entirely bogus idea of what is considered to be ‘economic progress’. Of course there is increased growth due to this movement- property markets may boom and permit the growth of a rentier class, but such growth is spurious and unhelpful to wider objectives such as reducing the burdens on the environment or creating resilient and effective people nd communities with good interrelationships.
      This random process creates human casualties, and blights further, areas not blessed with some attractive source of work. It generates local impractical bubbles, which eventually burst with sometimes locally devastating effects.
      ‘Immigration’ reveals the appalling qualities and values of the dominant elements within the EU, and in particular, this country. The answer os unfortunately, not Brexit. but a measured retreat from the determined attachment to unbridled consumerism which is implicit in the economic models.

          • Habbabkuk

            To keep things light and merry (growls stage left, keep it serious!!), here are a couple from the late, great Sovietologist Robert Conquest. between Nick the Greek and his friend Shun the Chinese:

            1/. “So, we’ve been sold as slaves in Tunis, Nick!”
            “Yes – remember to call your master “Bey”, Shun.”

            and 2/.

            “I heard your parents were attacked by a couple of footpads, Nick.”
            “Yes – Pa’s assailant escaped, but I brought Ma’s to bay, Shun.”

    • DEFCON 2

      Its all Trumps fault, the presstitutes (habby?) have nothing else to give except free anal !

    • Republicofscotland


      On the othehand, Boeing, will be over the moon so to speak, securing a $16.6 billion dollar deal to build 80 aircraft for Iran. It’s the first of its kind since 1979, and the Islamic Revolution.

      Boeing claims the contract will support almost 100,000 American jobs, over a ten year period.

    • Shatnersrug

      Read his twitter feed, he’s actually a master of speaking directly to the electorate. If the really do try a coup they will have a lot very angry Americans on their hands. Far more than occupy or any left groups could muster. And, just how many of the national guard/police/military voted trump? A damned sight more than the Dems might think – this could lead to full on insurrection, with a well organised militia as prescribed in the second amendment. Exciting times ahead.

    • Mick McNulty

      An F-35 which can’t get airborne can technically be destroyed on the ground by a biplane a hundred years old with somebody in leathers and goggles dropping bombs from the rear seat. Some advancement that, eh?

  • philw

    What Craig says in the interview is that to be anti-immiGRANT is to be racist. I think most of us would agree with that.

    However, wanting to reduce immigration, which is sometimes crudely described as being anti- immiGRATION, does not imply being anti-immiGRANT. I think it is hugely important to make this distinction.

    Those who fail to make the distinction are mostly the sort of people who indulge in race hate crimes. However there are some liberals and left-wingers who also fail to make this distinction. They think along the lines of “so many people I know and like are immigrants, so all immigration is good, so the more the better”.

    Any developed country has to have an immigration policy and procedures to determine who is permitted to come and live in the country. I am an internationalist, and ideally I would like to see completely open borders world wide. But no country can unilaterally open its borders and continue to function as a modern welfare state. Just think of the numbers of people worldwide living in poverty, and the gap between their standard of living and that of those living in, say, Scotland.

    The issue is not whether to have immigration or not, but what level of immigration, who to prioritise, and how to INVEST in that immigration – providing schools, healthcare, homes etc for the immigrants. I would like to see open and informed debate about this. As a Labour party member I would like to see Jeremy Corbyn leading this debate. I dont want it all decided behind closed doors by an elite.

    • MJ

      “to be anti-immiGRANT is to be racist. I think most of us would agree with that”

      Why do you think that? Sounds idiotic to me. Like calling anyone who criticises Israel “anti-semitic”.

      • Anon1

        To be anti-immigrant, or opposed to immigration full stop, is an extremist position. It is the opposite extreme to Craig’s position that to be opposed to unlimited immigration is a hate crime.

        • philw

          Anon1 “To be anti-immigrant, or opposed to immigration full stop, is an extremist position.”

          Well done for failing completely to see the point of my post.

          Anon1 ” It is the opposite extreme to Craig’s position that to be opposed to unlimited immigration is a hate crime.”

          I cant believe that this is really Craig’s position, but I would love it if he would clarify.

          • Anon1

            No you have misconstrued my point. Read it again. My reply was to MJ. I am in agreement with you.

            It is absolutely Craig’s position. He wrote that “ALL concern about immigration is racist”, a hate crime.

          • philw

            You say “To be anti-immigrant, or opposed to immigration full stop, is an extremist position.”

            You are equating being anti-immigrant to being opposed to immigration. My point is that they are totally different things. You can want to restrict immigration without being in any way hostile to the actual people who have moved to the UK.

            To be anti-immigrant is racist. To want to restrict immigration is only sensible. The danger is people who wish to restrict immigration starting to take out their frustrations on the immigrants. Or people who are so concerned not to be racist that they advocate, or appear to advocate, unlimited immigration.

          • Anon1

            Phil, I can’t be bothered mate. I don’t have the energy tonight.

            Just trust that I am in agreement with you.

      • michael norton

        Old Labour falls apart as ANOTHER MP steps up to blast Diane Abbott over freedom of movement
        SHADOW home secretary Diane Abbott has been slapped down by a member of her own party over her continued defence of freedom of movement.
        Frau Abbott, a close ally of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, has repeatedly spoken out against calls to lower migration and has warned against “scapegoating” migrants.

        It is not about scapegoating migrants, it about us having some control and say in what happens to our country.

    • Anon1

      What Craig actually believes (and what he wrote some months ago on this site) is that “ALL concern about immigration is racist”.

      So if we doubled the already record-breaking numbers of immigrants coming into the country to 1.3 million per year, it would, according to Craig, be “racist” to have the slightest concern about it. He then tries to tarnish anyone opposed to his extremist ideology as “anti-immigrant”.

      The man is barking mad.

  • bevin

    Since we are no longer ‘on topic’ perhaps I might share this comment with the sane ones among us:
    “Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.”

    Mike Whitney puts it most eloquently in Counterpunch today. This is how he begins:
    “The Democratic Party is doing incalculable damage to itself by shapeshifting into the party of baseless conspiracy theories, groundless accusations, and sour grapes. Hillary Clinton was already the most distrusted presidential candidate in party history. Now she’s become the de facto flag-bearer for the nutso-clique of aspiring propagandists at the CIA, the New York Times and Bezo’s Military Digest. How is that going to improve the party’s prospects for the long term?

    “It won’t, because the vast majority of Americans do not want to align themselves with a party of buck-passing juveniles that have no vision for the future but want to devote all their energy to kooky witch-hunts that further prove they are unfit for high office.

    “The reason Hillary Clinton lost the election is because she is a polarizing, untrustworthy warmonger. Period. Putin had nothing to do with it….”

    If we were being rational we would understand that, while it is unlikely that Putin liked Hillary, they are very likely to have reconciled themselves, rather comfortably to the prospect of four more years of the same , disastrous, foreign policies that the US has been pursuing under Bush, Obama and Hillary at the State Department.

    Why? Because they have led to defeat after retreat for the US, have left millions of square miles of failed states in their wake and have cemented Russia, China, Iran and much of Eurasia into a defensive alliance which, for the first time since 1948, impinges upon US dreams of hegemony.

    Exhibit A (for there is no reason why this discussion should always be evidence free): Syria, Turkey and Egypt.

    The truth is that Trump’s policy, if it does turn out to be one of favouring Russia and isolating China while renewing hostilities with Iran, is far more threatening to Putin than the current policies which have seen his popularity in Russia soar into 80% approval territory.

    Trump’s charm offensive in Moscow is very likely to comfort and reinforce the dwindling ranks of ‘westernisers’ and Atlanticists, who in the past few years, and thanks in large part to Hillary’s crude aggressions, have been reduced from a share of power to marginality.

    As Obama said it is necessary to look forward rather than backward as the new Administration takes office. Democrats fixated by the ‘Russia done it’ myth are morphing into the birthers of 2017.

    • Kief

      It’s amazing how good it feels when you stop banging your coconut on the brick wall. But masochism does provide satisfaction to certain perverted personalities.

  • michael norton

    Clan Cameron – from battling the English to defending the Union
    David Cameron’s Scottish ancestors were great warriors who supposedly fought the English at the Battle of Bannockburn in the Wars of Scottish Independence
    David Cameron made great play of the fact that he belongs to a Scottish clan whose motto is “Let us unite”, but failed to mention that his ancestors had a long history of fighting the English.

    Clan Cameron is one of the most ancient and illustrious of Scotland’s tribes, with a recorded history from the 15th century onwards.

    The clan’s lands in Lochaber in the Highlands, around present day Fort William, include Ben Nevis, the highest mountain in Britain.

    There are two theories about the origin of the surname Cameron, with experts suggesting it probably means either “crooked nose” or “crooked hill”.

    To this day, the Camerons have a hereditary chief, called “Lochiel”, who is descended directly from the earliest members of the clan. The clan did not always have a harmonious relationship with its rulers south of the border.

    Legend has it that a contingent from Clan Cameron fought with Robert the Bruce against the English king Edward II at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314, the decisive clash in the Wars of Scottish Independence.

    Members of the clan also supported the Jacobite cause in the 18th century, including frontline duty at the disastrous Battle of Culloden.

    Clan Cameron’s current motto is “Aonaibh Ri Chéile”, Gaelic for “Let us unite”, although its original mantra was “For King and Country”.

    Its battle cry was rather more lurid: “Sons of the hounds, come hither and get flesh.”

    Mr Cameron did not mention in his speech on Scotland’s independence referendum that he has for many years enjoyed family holidays on the Tarbert estate on the Scottish island of Jura.

    The estate, owned by his wife Samantha’s stepfather, Viscount Astor, has 6,000 deer, which the Prime Minister has joined stag shooting parties to hunt.

    Mr Cameron’s attachment to the Union dates back to his favourite childhood book, Our Island Story: A History of Britain for Boys and Girls from the Romans to Queen Victoria by Henrietta Elizabeth Marshall.

    First published in 1905, it is a chronological history of the islands that make up the United Kingdom from the Romans to the death of Queen Victoria

    However some critics have described the book as an “unashamedly patriotic mixture of myth and history” and suggested it is closer to fiction than a school textbook.


    • Trowbridge H. Ford

      Since the highjacking of this thread continues, I shall add that I still am a big sceptic of Trump though he says he will stop racing regime change, and he is serious about Rex Tillerson being the next SoS.

      What if Trump only wants to do it more slowly. like in Iran where the mullahs are most sceptical of the claim, and Tillerson is just a smokescreen about the Russian hacking, as he doesn’t seem to have a chance now since Putin’s spokesman has volunteered that he is a most competent choice. Of course, he was made to say so because some unnamed reporter asked him about Tillerson.

      We will only know for sure after an exhausting period of time. Like when some kind of war starts with mainland China.

      • Kief

        Yeah the dominoes are being stacked for the show. I just can’t imagine the local glee when blood fills US gutters. That should make them happy.

    • michael norton

      If we all had to walk to the polling booth and put our cross, then personally slip it in the box, those Russians would not get a look in.

      So why not revert to the tried and tested system?

      The state that holds the election, wants a way of fiddling, hacking.

    • michael norton

      Not long to go now
      Aleppo will be free of the “Moderates” before the weekend.
      RT imagines the Americans are letting 5,000 “Moderates” move from Mosel to Palmyra in tanks.

  • Anon1

    Michael Norton

    Have you seen the @visitgovanhill Twitter account? It’s basically just a collection of photographs of infested mattresses and other detritus left outside homes in Govanhill, but the author has turned these objects into art and given them life and meaning in a community left to rot by the SNP.

    It’s also fucking funny.

  • RobG

    Following the impeachment last Friday of South Korea’s President Park Geun-hye, millions of protestors are still on the streets…

    This is one of the most major non-violent revolutions in modern history, because of course another domino has fallen in the rapidly collapsing American empire (South Korea has been a vassal state of the US for the best part of 70 years). There’s no way those millions of protestors will allow another American puppet to be installed in power, and there’s already much talk of re-unification with North Korea.

    It has many parallels with the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.

    We can only hope and pray that the collapse of the United States of America will be as relatively peaceful as the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    • Kief

      You’re a bit premature in your obituary for the US, but I am gratified you wish us as peaceful a decline as that of your paramours in Russia. I should have thought you were more bloodlusty.

      • RobG

        In recent months Egypt, Turkey and India have all been fleeing the “World’s Policeman”. In the Pacific region so has Malaysia…

        And most notably the Phillipines…

        This latest stuff in South Korea is quite breathtaking; and in Europe, behind the scenes, many governments are pulling away from Washington.

        After all, who would want to be an ally with a bunch of bat shit crazies?

        Particularly a bunch of bat shit crazies who have started more wars, and overthrown more governments than the rest of the world put together; and a bunch of bat shit crazies who have so brainwashed their own population that most of the American public still believe that it’s right to spend an obscene amount on the military-industrial complex (an amount which is almost as much as the military budgets of the rest of the world combined), whilst millions of Americans live in abject poverty without proper healthcare and the infrastructure of the country is falling to bits.

        You did ask.

        • Kief

          I didn’t ask anything in my comment. That’s a big part of your problem; reading comprehension.

          • RobG

            There’s nothing wrong with my reading comprehension.

            You’re quite correct, you didn’t ask the direct question in your post.

            I was addressing the subtext that was quite plainly there in your post.

            And further to that, what country are you psychos going to bomb and invade next?

          • Kief

            Let me ask the real question in your demented head;

            “When will all Americans do the right thing and shoot themselves in the head”

            Isn’t that the genuine intent of your ‘sentiments’?

            After all; isn’t it easier to love all mankind than just one person?

            Sums up progressives and their interpersonal relationships, don’t it?

          • RobG

            You’re either one of the army of government trolls, or else you’re one of the brainwashed egits.

            Whatever is the case, it’s a bit difficult to have anything resembling a rational conversation with the likes of you.

    • DEFCON 2

      It will require a joint efforts of Volodya,Xi Dada and Modi to make sure the world remains peaceful as the Beast collapses. Europe has been nobbled by cryptos and there is Junker who will not be moved until he has quaffed the 48k bottles in the EU wine cellar, the EU will have no input in these testing times.

  • Republicofscotland

    The Nobel Institute’s decision to host pro-war hawk Henry Kissinger, at its first ever Peace Forum in Oslo was met with skepticism and incredulity, with more than 7,000 people calling for his arrest in Norway.

    The devil in a suit, (Kissinger) endorsed Trump and that in itself should set alarm bells ringing.

    The Norwegian prosecutors, should be going after Beelzebub (Kissinger) instead of Assange.

    • Sharp Ears

      Absolutely incredible. It’s a wonder Obomber (another Nobel Peace Prize winner as we know) didn’t go along to prop his fellow war monger up.

      ‘RT Report –
      Speaking at the Nobel Peace Prize Forum in Oslo, Norway, on the issue of “World Peace after the US Presidential Election,” the 93-year-old former diplomat and Nobel Prize winner dispelled fears of the looming cataclysm of Trump’s presidency.

      “Before postulating an inevitable crisis, an opportunity should be given to the new administration to put forward its vision of international order,” Kissinger said.

      The 1973 Nobel Peace Prize winner stressed that following the election, the debate over US role in the world should be focused on Trump’s potential and policies rather than the rhetoric the Republican used during his campaign, which made a number of countries from Europe to Asia apprehensive about their future relationship with Washington.

      “International debate should be over evolving American policy, not over campaign rhetoric. But the overriding quest for peace and stability has dominated every American presidential administration I have studied and known,” the former statesman said.

      “No doubt, the president-elect is a personality for whom there is no precedent in modern American history,” Kissinger added from the podium in Oslo.

      In his speech, Kissinger pointed out four trends that may lead to greater conflicts and greater challenges during Trump’s presidency.

      The worsening of relations between the US and China, and the breakdown in relations between Russia and the West were cited as the biggest challenges. In addition, the weakening of Europe’s strategic importance and an escalation of conflicts in the Middle East, were named as the biggest threats to world peace.

      As a former secretary of state, Kissinger, reminded delegates present that the US leadership has always been influential when it comes to world order, and that Trump is no exception.

      “Many of the contemporary structures of peace have had either American support or American origin,” Kissinger said. “I hope and believe that in the decades ahead, the United States will continue to fulfil its history and tradition of building world peace.”’

    • RobG

      During the presidential election campaign, Bernie Sanders said of Kissinger: “I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend. I will not take advice from Henry Kissinger.”

      Hillary, as well as the Donald, are both close associates of Kissinger. At one point, Trump was going to give a cabinet position to Kissinger.

      Totally rotten and corrupt doesn’t adequately sum it up.

      And by the by, Assange hasn’t been seen or heard of since early November.

      My guess would be that he’s now food for the fishes.

  • michael norton

    BBC Ministry of Truth
    IMF chief Christine Lagarde has gone on trial in France for negligence over a compensation payment made by a state-owned bank to a businessman in 2008.

    As finance minister of then-President Nicolas Sarkozy, she approved an award of €404m ($429m; £340m) to Bernard Tapie for the disputed sale of a firm.

    Mr Tapie had supported Mr Sarkozy in the 2007 presidential election.

    She is accused of allowing the misuse of public funds, rather than corruption. She denies wrongdoing.

  • michael norton

    Incredible Blair wants our money,
    has he no shame?

    Boris Johnson rejects Tony Blair’s request for increase on £3mn taxpayer funding
    Published time: 12 Dec, 2016 16:37
    British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has turned down former-Prime Minister Tony Blair’s bid for extra resources as his total cost to the taxpayer hits almost £3 million a year, it has been reported.
    Blair recently requested further access to additional equipment and staff, the Sun reports. He presented the demands to Johnson, who has to sign off all ex-premiers’ state spending as part of his Cabinet job, during a face-to-face Whitehall meeting in October.

    Blair asked for more armored cars and escort vehicles, as well as drivers to operate them, for his work in the Middle East. He also asked for diplomatic number plates to be installed on the vehicles.

    Officials estimated the extra resources to be worth an additional £100,000 (US$125,000) a year.

    The request comes despite Blair no longer having any official role in the Middle East, after giving up the job of special envoy to the quartet – the UN, US, EU and Russia – in May last year.

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