271 thoughts on “The Pits

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  • Habbabkuk

    Speaking of mobile phones (cf Rob, above), I understand that the Belgian federal authorities are now requiring that all owners of pay-as-you-go mobile phones bought over the counter must register their identity with the service provider concerned. If they fail to do so within a specified period the service provider must cancel the number, thus rendering the phone inoperative.

    Of course it is already impossible in several countries to own an anonymous, unregistered mobile phone and it would be a jolly good idea if that were to become the case in the United Kingdom.

    Let’s face it, there is no reason why people should be allowed to wander around with unregistered phones which they can use to get up to all sorts of mischief with impunity.

    (Cue : cries of Stasi! Stasi! 🙂 )

    • Sharp Ears

      Or wander around plastering this comments section (where no registration is required) with garbage.

    • Loony

      What a splendid idea. In Belgium it would be enormously difficult to visit any of France, Germany, the Netherlands or Luxembourg in order to acquire a mobile phone.

      Obviously criminals would never be so criminal as to provide false identity details. Thanks to the ruthless efficiency of the EU there are probably upward of 2 million people whose identity is what they say their identity is – and the EU has no means whatsoever to verify the truth of what may be claimed.

      Anyone needing a mobile phone for short term nefarious purposes could always just steal someone else’s phone – or are the criminals not so criminal as to steal other people’s phones?

      Not so much cries of Stasi Stasi – more like cries of Stupid Stupid.

      • Habbabkuk

        “What a splendid idea. ”

        Don’t congratulate me, congratulate the Belgians.


        “In Belgium it would be enormously difficult to visit any of France, Germany, the Netherlands or Luxembourg in order to acquire a mobile phone.”

        It would be very easy. But pointless if the same rules are in force in the countries you mention. Do you know those rules?

        “Obviously criminals would never be so criminal as to provide false identity details.”


        They would, but you’re looking at this from the perspective of an Englishman who does not have to carry an identity card. Continentals will tell you that it is not quite as easy as you suppose to fake an identity.


        “Anyone needing a mobile phone for short term nefarious purposes could always just steal someone else’s phone – or are the criminals not so criminal as to steal other people’s phones?”

        What about medium and long term nefarious purposes?


        In summary, you appear surprisingly upset at this news from Belgium and the suggestion that it would be an excellent idea if the UK were to do the same.

        Would you care to tell readers why?

        • Loony

          How surprising to note that your latest post contains a number of errors and baseless assumptions – Do not confuse me with an Englishman.

          Data collection is easy – you can collect quadrillions of pieces of information relatively straightforwardly. Analyzing vast quantities of information is not so straightforward and necessarily produces errors and also makes it more likely that relevant information will be overlooked.

          So the answer to your question is that the more data collection you have the more you generate a false sense of security and the more you endanger actual security. I am not overly keen on having my personal safety compromised merely to satisfy your egotistical preferences which are based on wholly erroneous analysis.

          • Alan

            “So the answer to your question is that the more data collection you have the more you generate a false sense of security and the more you endanger actual security”

            Sounds like Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle in action.

          • Habbabkuk


            I see you have switched arguments – perhaps after I demolished your first lot?

            Let’s cut to the chase, though : make out a reasoned argument for why you are adamantly opposed to every mobile phone having to be registered (given that this is already the case with those mobiles on a contract).

            Off ye’ go, laddie!

          • Dave Price

            I’ll have a go Habbakuk.

            Would you be happy if your hat, or your spectacles, or the seams of your underpants, kept a trail (eugh) showing where you’ve been and where you currently are?

            Would you be happy if your overcoat, or your toaster, or your bedside lamp, kept a record of who you are having a conversation with?

            In what way is it normal for a mobile phone to do these things?

          • Habbabkuk

            David Price

            Thanks for your reply but no thanks. I should prefer an answer from the person to whom the question was addressed.

          • Dave Price


            Not sure you have fully grasped the concept of a discussion forum, but I’ll take the points for the no-show.


          • J

            I can imagine many perfectly legitimate reasons, the fact that you Hab, can not, is very suggestive.

    • Clark

      Habbabkuk, I doubt telephone registration will deter real criminals. They’ll turn to identity theft, or buying falsely registered ‘phones from specialist criminals, or in the worst and lowest cases, they’ll get ‘phones by robbery.

      You’ll just end up with a enormous database of the compliant, and trawling through an enormous sample for a tiny minority that is only assumed to be present will turn up far more false positives than real hits. Seriously, ask a statistician; mass surveillance is bad practice.

      • Clark

        The terms you need to understand are specificity and sensitivity:

        Let’s imagine you have an amazingly accurate test, and each time you use it on a true suspect, it will correctly identify them as such 8 times out of 10 (but miss them 2 times out of 10); and each time you use it on an innocent person, it will correctly identify them as innocent 9 times out of 10, but incorrectly identify them as a suspect 1 time out of 10
        – There are 60 million people in the UK, with, let’s say, 10,000 true suspects. Using your unrealistically accurate imaginary screening test, you get 6 million false positives. At the same time, of your 10,000 true suspects, you miss 2,000.

        If you raise the bar on any test, to increase what statisticians call the “specificity”, and thus make it less prone to false positives, then you also make it much less sensitive, so you start missing even more of your true suspects (remember you’re already missing 2 in 10 of them).

        – Or do you just want an even more stupidly accurate imaginary test, without sacrificing true positives? It won’t get you far. Let’s say you incorrectly identify an innocent person as a suspect 1 time in 100: you get 600,000 false positives. 1 time in 1000? Come on. Even with these infeasibly accurate imaginary tests, when you screen a general population as proposed, it is hard to imagine a point where the false positives are usefully low, and the true positives are not missed.


      • J

        Logically it should be the other way round, that the most corrupt countries, those with the most expansive Deep State and most in thrall to black market money, would probably be the ones resisting mobile phone registration the hardest because it will probably hurt their low level investments, those dirty but simple industries worth keeping around for insurance against rainy days.

        But as Clark identifies early on, the only people who will be tracked by such a measure are going to be the ‘law abiding.’ Anyone else will continue to have other means for communication.

        If the outcome were to track only those least likely to break the law, in other words, to establish a monopoly in illicit communication for criminals, what would it look like?

        It would probably look like Habbabkuk’s argument.

    • RobG

      It might be a jolly good idea if certain people go jump off a cliff.

      I stated in my previous post that A) radio waves in close proximity (ie, using a mobile phone/cell phone) are not good for your mind and body, and B) that mobile phones allow the security services to track you 24/7.

      Personally, I’d arrest and put on trial every single fecker in the security services. How this abomination has been allowed to continue into the 21st century is really quite astounding.

      These ‘security service’ loons/criminals run drugs, paedophile rings, start wars, usurp democracy and God knows what else.

      But they are totally above the law.

      Can someone tell me why?

    • Alan

      “Of course it is already impossible in several countries to own an anonymous, unregistered mobile phone and it would be a jolly good idea if that were to become the case in the United Kingdom.”

      Why is that Mr Stazi? It is the duty of every freedom-loving freeman and freewoman to own at least one anonymous, unregistered mobile phone.

  • Clark

    Hospitals used to be friendly places. Patientline turned everyone insular.

    Craig, you shouldn’t give them money; it only encourages them.

    • Alan

      “Craig, you shouldn’t give them money; it only encourages them.”

      I was wondering why Craig doesn’t read a book.

      • Clark

        He could read one of the two I gave him, but he probably paid up so he could publish this post. Besides, he’s a news junkie.

        • Ba'al Zevul

          LOL. Equally LOL is “watching the BBC relentlessly push the UKIP anti-immigration agenda”. Must have been a rare moment of balance, Craig. Most of the time, the BBC is applying the new, disparaging and extremely patronising ‘populist’ meme to anything that looks like independent thought.

          Note: the Greek-derived version of the Latin-ish ‘populist’ is ‘democrat’.

  • RobG

    So, everything the MSM tell us is real and unscripted, unlike all that dang fake news…


    I would strongly advise people to watch the above 6 minute video, which concentrates on the American media (an easy hit!); but it’s equally applicable to the other Five Eyes countries.

    You live in fascist lunatic asylums, folks.

    I could go into one here, but will resist.

    I’m having dinner with Putin tonight…

  • bevin

    Exit polls show that Renzi- a Blairite “Reformer” who actually arranged for the Clinton Foundation to get a large donation, from the Italian taxpayer this summer- is headed towards an ignominious defeat.
    It really is a bad day for Habba and the Authoritarians: the Austrian must be very small consolation to them. After all the neo-fascist was beaten not by a Liberal, neo-liberal Conservative or a Social Democrat, all the Centrists were disposed of in the First Round, but by a Green!
    The crumbling of the EU status quo proceeds.

  • bevin


    Amazing story.

  • RobG

    Oh, and zilch about what’s going on in Syria at the moment.

    The US/western backed terrorists have now just about been defeated in Aleppo.

    How are the psychos going to spin this one?

    Probably in much the same way that they are spinning Pizzagate.

    The main problem here is the egits who believe the propaganda.

    • bevin

      More bad news for the authoritarians (which is good news for humanity) :

      “The Army Corps of Engineers said that it would not approve permits for construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline beneath a dammed section of the Missouri River.
      “The decision is a victory for protesters at the Standing Rock reservation, who say the pipeline would threaten a water source and sacred Native American sites..”

      • Brianfujisan

        Ahh Bevin

        I had the page on hold, and didn’t see your post.. but yes, great news, lets see what tomorrows Deadline for evacuating the camp brings.

        good too that the veterans are are there.

        • bevin

          You are right about Fukushima, by far the most important event, and the most neglected story, of the century.

          • michael norton

            Completely agree on this with Rob and Bev.
            Nuclear power is an amazingly dangerous and expensive – non – solution.
            If Nuclear Power is the answer – what was the question?

          • Shatnersrug

            For Michael below ,

            The question to that answer must have been,

            “What could possibly go wrong?”

  • Brianfujisan

    Jeezo.. Rushed by Emergency Ambulance, Must have been serious.. Hope you are out of the place soon.

    Looks like a victory for the Water Protectors…

    The secretary of the Army Corps of Engineers has told Standing Rock Sioux Chairman David Archambault that the current route for the Dakota Access pipeline will be denied –


      • lysias

        That typo is so unlikely to have been caused by my mistyping that I suspect some version of Autocorrect is at work distorting comments.

    • RobG

      lysias, good on you for posting the link, but the WAPO now makes absolutely no mention about the Podeseta e-mails.

      In otherwords, the Washington Post gives no context, and is an absolute joke of a newspaper.

      With regard to Pizzagate, anyone curious can look it all up in a matter of seconds

  • Anon1

    The UKIP is not opposed to immigration, Craig. It is not “anti-immigration”. Nobody has any problem with the planned and controlled import of skilled labour.

    The open door policy that results in 650,000 immigrants a year being admitted to this country is a cause for concern (this is substantially more than the population of Birmingham every two years).

    But then according to you all concern about immigration is racist, which is an extremist position. No people on earth would sit back and tolerate this year after year.

    The idea that the BBC pushes an anti-immigration agenda is laughable. What the fuck are you on?!

    • RobG

      What about the bankers who crashed the economy in 2007/2008?

      You people never talk about that.

      It’s all the fault of the ‘immigrants’ while the country continues to be robbed blind by the 1%.

      ‘Dumb’ is not the word.

      • Anon1

        “What about the bankers who crashed the economy in 2007/2008?

        You people never talk about that.”

        Happy to talk about it. They should have gone to the wall.

        But why are you diverting?

  • Anon1

    On the “morally disgusting Patientline system”.

    Well somehow this vastly bloated organization has to pay its way. What with today’s revelation that a locum doctor is on £183k a year.

    Just the other day North Lincs trust were offering £45k for an ‘Equality and Diversity Lead’, which no doubt you would approve of.

    I find the NHS morally disgusting. If you doubled its budget tomorrow it would still be hungry to consume more. But of course you think it’s ‘fwee’ and money grows on trees so no point in arguing.

    • RobG

      Anon1 is quite happy to step over dead and dying people on the pavement, while on his way to his job at the Ministry Of Truth.

      I don’t have words for how totally disgusting creatures like Anon1 are.

  • bevin

    From the Morning Star:
    “THE EU cannot and will not offer Scotland a fair or equal future,” Jim Sillars told the founding conference of Radical Options for Scotland and Europe (Rose) this weekend in Glasgow.
    “The former deputy leader of the Scottish National Party cited the treatment of Greece and Portugal over recent months. First Minister “Nicola Sturgeon is deluding herself if she thinks Scotland would fare any better. Scotland will need its own economic powers of intervention if it is to address the urgent challenges of technological change and be able to rescue basic industries such as oil.”
    ‘Chairing the conference, Eddie McGuire said that the objective of the new organisation was to unite all those on the left, whether they voted Remain and Leave, who wanted to campaign for a progressive outcome.
    Pauline Bryan of the Scottish Labour Campaign for Socialism welcomed this approach and praised the work of Labour MSP Neil Findlay and SNP MSP Alex Neill in spelling out the opportunities that now existed. “We can end the privatisation of health and social services, take back utilities into public ownership, re-establish comprehensive collective bargaining and enforce decent wages and conditions, but only if Britain remains outside the single market.”………”
    Meanwhile all eyes are on Italy, without a PM. And France where the president is out of it.

  • Sharp Ears

    Today at 11am 11 Supreme Court judges commence hearing this appeal.

    R (on the application of Miller and another) (Respondents) v Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union (Appellant)
    Case ID: UKSC 2016/0196

    Case summary

    Does the Government have power to give notice pursuant to Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union of the United Kingdom’s intention to withdraw from the European Union, without an Act of Parliament providing prior authorisation to do so?

    The proceedings will be streamed live on all channels and continue until Thursday.

    A lawyers’ paradise.

    • Sharp Ears

      It’s deadly dull. Like something out of Alice in Wonderland with the 11 judges sitting in a semicircle facing James Eadie QC for HMG sitting alongside Jeremy Wright Attorney General. Much discussion is taking place on Bundle This and Bundle That and tab numbers and shuffling of papers.

      “He has a voracious appetite for
      work – his turnaround is amazing.”
      — CHAMBERS UK, 2016
      “He is a Rolls-Royce; a brilliant
      combination of amazing advocacy
      and in-depth knowledge.”
      — CHAMBERS UK, 2016
      LOL Nothing like putting on a bit of gloss on one’s CV.

      It’s going to turn on ‘my barrister is better than your barrister’.

      Like Leveson, there are dozens in attendance. All earning a fortune no doubt.

      ‘Off with their heads!’

      PS Joshua Rozenberg aka Mr Mad Mel Phillips, is commenting on Sky News. He used to be the BBC’s legal eagle.

  • Sharp Ears

    The ‘Heil’ leads on ‘Dame’ Louise Casey’s report on the UK’s ‘divided’ society. She calls for taking an oath of Britishness, It takes up the whole of their front page.


    There is a quote from the HJS’s Mendoza for added emphasis.

    ‘Dr Alan Mendoza, of the Henry Jackson Society security think-tank, said: ‘This review contains serious concerns about the state of integration between different communities in the UK today, particularly Muslim communities in certain areas. I would urge the Government to strongly consider the nature of this problem and commit to action to counter it.’

    Swear oath to live in Britain:
    Major report says migrants should pledge to follow values as soon as they arrive and also says pace of immigration has been ‘too much’ for some communities
    Government report says migrants should swear an oath of allegiance
    It also warns that the scale of immigration has been ‘too much’ for some
    Dame Louise Casey said it has left some communities more divided
    Isolated Muslims see UK as mainly Islamic when it is less than five per cent

    Casey became a protégée of Blair and continued her rise to the top of her particular field of interest under Brown and Cameron.

    She is infamous for saying – ‘During an after-dinner speech at a private (Home Office / ACPO) function in June 2005, she said that ministers would perform better if they were “pissed” and, “doing things sober is no way to get things done”. Nice.

    Shame on her, Cameron who gave Casey her gong and the Rothermere press for giving space to this unpleasant and dangerous stuff.

    • giyane

      Britain changed its colonial subjects values in a determined fashion, in Africa, in India, and in America and it is currently working on a project to change the Muslim’s values in the MIddle East to a virus called jihadism, i.e. fighting amongst yourselves.

      It’s a bit rich for present day dame widow Twankys of the snotty Neville-Jones variety to complain about the values produced by years of enforced poverty and slavery, rape, pillage and destruction, conducted by the same toff class as are doing the present complaining.

      Does the dame not understand that the lack of respect that is shown to British values is not because their cultures are devoid of respect and civilised values, but because of the vicious and uncivilised treatment meted out by the British in the colonial years?

      And while we are on the subject of Empire, the toffs seem to have forgotten that Word War 2 resulted in a promise by the toffs not only to treat the wogs with dignity, but also to treat their own indigenous people with dignity, by for example treating them with respect when the enter a Job Centre having fallen on unfortunate times.

      Congratulations Hababkuk for drawing our attention to the disrespect both Tory and Labour MPs showed to Mhairi Black’s debate in parliament on treatment in Jobcentres. If the ruling classes forget the lessons of two world wars, they will find themselves trying to live on a paltry sum which has so no connection with the actual cost of living.

      • Sharp Ears

        Ref Mhairi Black
        Habbabkuk copied Republic of Scotland who repeated what I had posted originally. Just to set the record straight.

  • Dave

    Ironically despite the ‘fascist’ losing in Austria the ‘pro-EU’ candidate won presumably because the Austrians want to remain united in ‘Anschluss’ with Germany!

    And ironically the decision by Lib Dems to turn Richmond into another referendum on Brexit meant the Lib Dems won the seat but Brexit won the vote, because Brexit Zac standing as an independent won about 45% of the vote, which is a big improvement on the referendum Leave vote.

  • Anon1

    So the political establishment is waking up to the fact that mass-immigration leads not to diversity, but ghettos.

    Who knew?

    • michael norton

      I wonder if mass immigration into the United Kingdom
      had any effect on the population voting so decisively to leave the hated E.U. ?

  • Mark James

    I agree that the Patientline business of charging £10 is morally reprehensible. When in hospital and if you are in a bad way, reading can be too much of an effort and watching crap on TV is a way to deal with the combination of pain, boredom and discomfort; why can’t it be free, as compared to the cost of some of the equipment and drugs hospitals use, it wouldn’t add up to much yet could significantly improve patient comfort? Likewise, the paltry amount budgeted for food is a false economy, since one’s diet can significantly affect outcomes. Hope you get better soon Craig.

  • michael norton

    Su-33 fighter jet crashes from Russia’s Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier
    A fighter jet based on the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov skid off the deck during landing and became lost at sea after an arrestor gear line snapped and failed to stop the aircraft, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

    EU’s Syria Plan B: Assad stays, and Brussels pays for it – Times

  • michael norton

    Cameron – gone
    Clinton – gone

    Obama – going
    Renzi – going
    Hollande – going

    • michael norton

      After the three women shot to death in Finland, now a Scots woman stabbed to death in Finland.
      A British woman working for a Santa Safari tour company has been stabbed to death in Lapland.

      The 26-year-old, understood to be from Scotland, was found dead in the village of Kuttanen in Finland on Saturday.

      Lapland Police Department said her 36-year-old boyfriend fled on a dog sled but was arrested after a manhunt involving officers and a helicopter.

      He was found a few hours later lying in the snow in temperatures of -30C and taken to hospital for treatment.

      He was later taken into police custody on suspicion of killing the woman.

      Both were seasonal workers in the area which is very close to the border with Sweden.

  • michael norton

    “I do know that a lot of the SNP members were just as opposed to the EU as I was, but party loyalty was keeping them inside the party,
    it was making them go out and do whatever it was that the party decided.”

    The former leading SNP figure who still has many contacts within the party has spoken out after he campaigned for the pro-independence movement in 2014.

    And he said that the SNP is now “alienating every natural Conservative voter in Scotland”.
    He said: “It has been made plain to them that there is no place in an independent Scotland for them,” before adding: “The 2014 referendum was a class campaign, it had nothing to do with independence.”

    And he said that Ms Sturgeon, who wore a hijab as she visited a mosque in Glasgow earlier today, has split her own party with her rhetoric over the Brexit vote.

    Socialist Fairy Land of the Far North

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Looks like Hitler Light is already running the world, with America’s nuclear triad to be reduced to suit “Mad Dod’ Mattis’s aims while Israel’s Bibi is getting his way on Iran.

    Reducing the USA’s land-based ICBMs will make it look like Washington is cutting back on its strategic war-making abilities while it will just be enhancing its use of space satellites, lasers in its special attack submarines, and what the Boeing X-37B can find and develop.

    Looks like Israel will make moves towards a two-state solution in Palestine which Mattis sees as the only solution there while his covert forces get rid of Tehran;s ability to make any new nuclear weapons.

    Then the question will be: does it already have some, and will use them when space satellites, and the special attack subs get Tehran’s suspected nuclear sites.

    Looks like it could start a regional nuclear war, and Hitler Light is not even yet in the White House.

    • Trowbridge H. Ford

      Discovered that myself, Fred, when I tried to post my previous one there.

      Spooks have been trying to stop any posting by me, starting with trouble getting and staying on any such sites.

      NSA and GCHQ are paranoid about any discussion of covert war-making by the Anglo-Americans.

      • Trowbridge H. Ford

        You might be waiting a long time, Squonk, as the UK has much more serious problems to deal with today, centered around the trial of on-time PIRA Chief of Staff and long-time MI6 spy Ivor Bell.

        It could left the lid on all kinds of worm cans, especially starting with Gerry Adams’ role in the killing of Jean MCconville, going through the assassination of Olof Palme, and culminating in the cull of British operators at the Mull of Kintyre in June 1994, favoring a more generous GFA peace with the Provisionals.

        More if and when you get back on line.

      • Squonk

        It appears that Quadranet have terminated all services run by their Crissic subsidiary. I have received no email about this although apparently they posted it to facebook or something. There is also no announcement about this on the management status page. Quadanet are owe me a refund. Craig;’s server did run with quadranet/crissic for a time but that was moved off a considerable time ago. Quadranet promised not to do this when they bought Crissc then did it anyway. I still have 5 months of the annual subscription on the squonk server left and planned to move it before then. Seems they just pulled the plug on everyone and are ignoring support tickets and emails.

        squonk will return sometime…

  • MJ

    Sorry to hear you’re still in hospital Craig, must be a week or so by now. Hope you’re recovering well.

    • Trowbridge H. Ford

      See that Edward Snowden confirmed with Katie Couric my original claim that CIA Director General David Petraeus aka Betrayus leaked more information to a foreign power than he ever did, though Snowden declined apparently to name the originator of his ‘honey trap’ as Mossad spy Paula Broadwell in the hope that Obama will pardon him.

  • Robert

    Hope you’re feeling better.
    Watching too much TV (even in hospital) is bad for your sanity!

  • Republicofscotland

    China has been quick to complain and criticise president elect Donald Trump, for taking a call from the president of Taiwan, who congratulated him on his victory.

    The US however, has sold Taiwan, in recent years arms amountung to $14 billion dollars. But it (US) refuses overtly to back Taiwan, against China’s claim of sovereignty over the island.

    Trump appears to not adhere to presidential etiquette, and his administration may, change that to definitely will, upset a few foreign leaders during his tenure.

    Staying on Trump, and those who see him as the “anti-establishedment” messiah. I’m sorry to burst your bubble but Trump, has followed the line of appointing a Goldman-Sacks banker to Treasury secretary.

    As did Bill Clinton, even Mark Carney is ex-Goldman Sachs.

    Across the pond, in France the right look certain to hold office, as Hollande beats a retreat leaving a duel between a avid fan of Margaret Thatcher, and a far right character who wants to quit the EU, and has a distaste for immigrants.

    Italy is fareing no better, as Matteo Renzi quits as prime minister.

    Meanwhile back in Blighty, Theresa May wants to hold an inquiry into, who leaked the leaks, that leaks were not to be leaked in the first place.

    In amongst the debacle, we had David Davis claim that Britain could pay into the EU, whilst Boris Johnson told Andrew Marr, that Britain would save innumerable amounts of cash, just by leaving the EU.

    Yes my head hurts too, trying to get a hold on the machinations of this very slippery Tory government.

    • michael norton

      Now the Socialist Globalist E.U. Regime is toppling into the Mediterranean
      Renzi, Hollande, Cameron,
      will the S.N.P. still cling to the E.U. for their salvation, when all the other rats have jumped ship.
      Greece to be kicked out of the Eurozone, for not winding into austerity, deeply enough.

      • Republicofscotland


        May I draw your attention to those who (Austria aside) may come to power. Far right xenophobes, who will be particularly interested in cutting immigration, and promoting far right policies.

        Hopefully the Dutch and French will see through, Wilders and le Pen, however what the hell has happened to the left in Europe, the dis-United Kingdom’s governments main opposition are also turmoil, though to call Labour a left of centre party right now, would be stretching the true.

        The rise of the right is of concern, though I still think the EU will survive.

        The SNP will keep pushing for EU membership, and independence.

  • michael norton

    Even the Italian Minister for European Affairs Sandro Gozi said that the disintegration of the European Empire had begun and Mr Renzi’s plan of relaunching the EU had failed.
    Three E.U. globalists down,
    who will be next?

    • Habbabkuk

      I listened to the interview with him on the BBC this morning and he said nothing of the sort.

      You lie.

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