Palestine Speaking Tour? 78

I am back from India today, and will be speaking at the SNP Club in Edinburgh tomorrow (Friday) at 7.30pm on Iraq and Syria (all tickets gone I am afraid, but it is being livestreamed by Independence Live). UPDATE: Live stream in new post The UK, USA and Middle East Conflict

I have invitations from Friends of Palestine in both Bath and Norwich to address them. I was wondering if any other groups are interested and we can put together a little tour. While I think the Shai Masot affair sparked the invitations, I would want to set out also my thinking on why a two state solution is impractical and we should support a single, non-racial, democratic and secular state in Palestine, in which all the peoples living there would be welcome and equal. Any interested groups should contact me via the button at the top of the blog. It is important to add I don’t charge any fee above travel expenses.

I am aware that the last week I have been so busy speaking and travelling I have not been writing except about my speaking and travelling, and Nadira’s new film. I am sorry if this looked self-obsessed to you (it did a bit to me). I hope things will calm down for a while now.

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78 thoughts on “Palestine Speaking Tour?

  • Habbabkuk

    Not self-obsessed at all, Craig, it offers personal insights and shows the human being behind the blogmaster (idem for your posts about your latest book).

  • glenn

    Doesn’t look self-obsessed to me either. A fellow has to make a living, and if his personal blog is used to promote his work, who could possibly complain? It’s not as if you do it particularly often, either.

    Certainly beats the endless regurgitation of stories picked up from the gutter-press (particularly The Express) by some posters, who think this blog is all about them and their pet obsessions.

      • glenn

        It doesn’t bother you when a dozen posts per page from the same poster litter this blog, quoting bilge from far-right newspapers pitched at the reading level of a 10-year old?

        What if we had more like him, a dozen or so, all just posting irrelevant quotes with a line of banal comment a score or more times a day? I think such poor behaviour should be called out, not encouraged.

        • Habbabkuk

          Glenn / Anon1

          NORTON is certainly entitled to his views but the point is that the stridency,the frequency and, often, the relevancy of his posts can become both tiresome and counter-productive.

  • Anon1

    I have attended a few of these “Friends of Palestine” meetings. They seem to pop up everywhere, even in the smallest provincial towns in the most rural corners of the country.

    It appears that there exists a hard core of far-left anti-Israel activists in every corner of the land. Of all the myriad problems facing this country and the world, it appears that Israel and the J**s exercise the small minds of these activists to the the greatest degree.

    Even in remotest Devon there can be found little gatherings of anti-Israel activists. If you attend any number of these meetings, as I have, you will soon discover that they are really motivated by a deep dislike and distrust of the J**s.

    • Node

      Even in remotest Devon there can be found little gatherings of anti-Israel activists.

      Let’s uproot their cider apple orchards and bulldoze their thatched cottages. Then if they resist, we can shoot them for being terrorists. Who’s with me?

      • glenn

        Let’s also allow our “settlers” down there to build swanky condominiums, steal their water, put a thirty foot high reinforced concrete and steel wall “fence” to enclose them off into isolated enclaves, and run checkpoints everywhere to hold them up and harass and humiliate them as they try to travel. Make roads that Devonshire people aren’t allowed to travel on.

        And then whine and bitch about how repressed we are by them, as they scratch around in poverty in their demolished towns, while we order our lattes at agreeable restaurants.

        And we’re only just getting started here…

      • Phil Ex-Frog


        I have to admit I agree with Anon1.

        By saying that the UK government goes to war at the bidding of Israel you perpetuate the stereotype of mystical Jews somehow controlling the media, the finance sector, the pentagon blah de blah. Not only does such daft analysis concur with centuries old anti-semitism it blinds you to understanding what really drives conflict.

        • Habbabkuk


          I recall that someone on here – perhaps it was Anon1? – once said that he had tended to take the side of the Palestinians but was, over time, led to change his opinion after seeing the obsessive and over-the-top nature of so many of the anti-Israel and anti-Zionist comments.

          I am pretty sure he was/is not the only one in the real world who felt/feels the same.

          • Phil Ex-Frog

            No, not exactly at all.

            I think the left sometimes slips into weak analysis that tends towards anti-semitism but at the same time I condemn the apartheid state of Israel without hesitation.

          • nevermind

            the action of Israel speak for themselves, they are akin to Apartheid policies, no need to talk it up really, just ‘reverberate’ the cpmnstant harassment, land stealing and incarceration of children.

    • Anon

      Anybody with any sense only needs to see the shrinking map of Palestine since 1948, this anti-semantic deflection is getting a bit boring now. Prick your bubble with your kippa and you will see the truth too.

      • Habbabkuk

        One should perhaps point out that the borders of mandate Palestine have not “shrunk” for the simple reason that mandate Palestine has not existed for the last almost 70 years. In other words, there are no borders to shrink.

        There are only the borders of the State of Israel and of the Kingdom of Jordan (bearing in mind that the Kingdom of Jordan claimed jurisdiction over and administered those parts of mandate Palestine which did not become the State of Israel.

    • Jo

      I think you are a hard-core something or other yourself and your comments are deeply misguided about the position of others.

      The situation with Palestine has existed a very long time and it is not surprising that many people remain committed to seeing a peaceful solution there for all parties. I see nothing extreme in that although it is a great pity that the country some like to refer to as “the only democracy in the Middle East” refuses to recognise a significant number of others there to whom they have denied democratic freedoms for decades.

      There is nothing anti-Semitic about wanting freedom and peace for Palestine and the sinister slant you attempt to add to such ambitions is pretty poisonous to read.

      • Habbabkuk

        What, in your opinion, is “Palestine”? What do you mean by “Palestine” in 2017?

    • DeepGreenPuddock

      A strange admission. You have no sympathy to Palestine and supporters and sympathisers but apparently you lurk around endlessly such meetings. You even go to far flung places to check them out, apparently. Isn’t this suspiciously obsessive? Or perhaps you are ’embellishing’ the reality.
      The real underlying problem, however, is that you characterise the tragedy of many peoples lives-both Palestinian and Jewish, (but with the burden of this tragedy falling more heavily on the Palestinians) as some kind of political fashion choice for detached observers.
      It isn’t a political choice, it is a moral imperative, before it ever moves into the political realm.That is the most revealing aspect of your unsupportable and execrable comment.

      • Habbabkuk

        What, in your opinion, is “Palestine”? What do you mean by “Palestine” in 2017?

        • Deepgreenpuddock

          “What, in your opinion, is “Palestine”? What do you mean by “Palestine” in 2017?”
          I am not certain this was directed at me but if it was:
          I have no intention of being drawn into some arcane argument about the historical/contemporary meaning of the word ‘Palestine’.
          Of course it matters how we define these words but the substantive part of this is that people who identify themselves in different ways in thismiddle eastern area are polarised, and in conflict, with physical territory in dispute, amongst other matters.
          As with all conflicts that involve violence and warfare, this is to the detriment of both sides, but the huge asymmetry in military means and financial support has led to a position where one side has asserted itself, to the severe detriment and dispossession of the other. It is plain that, while ‘might’ often prevails in human affairs, it is rarely consistent with an analysis which is arrived at by means which are as objective, (and based on customary and widely agreed ideas about equity,morality, mutuality, and compromise), as they can be.
          The situation in the geographical area which is widely identified as Israel and Palestine cannot be described remotely, as an equable and peace-seeking accommodation, but is dominated by intransigent polarities and unreasonable actions, (and underlying strategic aims by larger entities), such as the effective annexing, or co-option, by force, of disputed property by the more militarily capable protagonist,which of course is Israel. If the same behaviour was seen in any context other than an international dispute, it would be called criminality.
          I notice you use the term ‘mandate’. This I take it, refers to the British mandate, which dates back to the era of the League of Nations in the first half of the 20th century . It is rather an archaic term and does not now apply to the current situation. Agian the use of the term point to obsessiveness and nit-picking obfuscation.

          • Habbabkuk

            So in conclusion : you are using the word “Palestine” without knowing what you mean by it – or perhaps not being willing to say.

            BTW – is “mandate Palestine” more archaic than “Palestine”?

    • Republicofscotland

      “Little gatherings of anti-Israel activists. If you attend any number of these meetings, as I have, you will soon discover that they are really motivated by a deep dislike and distrust of the J**s.”


      That’s priceless coming from a confirmed Islamophobe.

      • Habbabkuk

        I do not see the connection, RoS.

        Even if Anon1 were a confirmed Islamophobe, what would the relevance of that be to what he wrote at 20h58 (above)? How would that invalidate what he wrote?

        Ar you suggesting that an alleged Islamophobe should not be allowed to allege anti-semitism? If you are suggesting that, and given that both Islamophobia and anti-semitism do actually occur in the real world, could you take us through your reasoning?

        • Republicofscotland


          Well for one, it would show Anon1’s prejudice, which in turn would negate his comment as biased.

          Basically what Anon1 is saying anyone who criticises Israeli actions is anti-Semitic, it’s a well worn path.

          • Habbabkuk

            So if Anon1 were (as you say) biased against Islam, that would invalidate his opinion that anti-semitism exists as a phenomenon in the real world?

            I don’t think you’ve really thought that one through.

          • Republicofscotland

            “So if Anon1 were (as you say) biased against Islam, that would invalidate his opinion that anti-semitism exists as a phenomenon in the real world”


            No but, it encourages the likes of Anon1 to see anti-Semitism everywhere, and anywhere, as you do.

    • Wolsto

      What a load of disingenuous bollocks. Sympathy for people living in Palestine and anger at the actions of the Israeli government does not equal anti-semitism or ‘far-left’ whatever. You really do come across as a deeply unpleasant person with your posts on this blog, and as someone who posts in perpetual bad faith.

      • Chris Rogers


        Love it: ‘Someone who perpetually posts in bad faith’, just about sums it up in a nutshell.

  • EnKi

    The UK has effectively been a test bed for this one state solution since 1707. Its not going too well because of the attitude of one of the two participants.

    Palestine cannot endure a one state solution for exactly the same reason, complete lack of empathy of one of the participants.

    So let it be done. Divide the land of Israel and in turn divide the Disunited Kingdom.

  • RobG

    One fascist lunatic talking to a bunch of other fascist lunatics: Theresa May speaking today at the ‘GOP Retreat’ in Philadelphia…

    They’re trying to do a re-run of Maggie and Ronnie, but it ain’t going to work, folks.

    Over the last three decades or so, the neo-cons have totally trashed the economy and society, and as a result massive counter forces have been unleashed.

    I’ll make a very bold prediction: 2017 is going to be a hell of a year, and by the end of it Donald Trump, Theresa May, et al, will be history.

    • bevin

      “They’re trying to do a re-run of Maggie and Ronnie, but it ain’t going to work, folks.”
      You know the line: “The first time was tragedy, the second time is farce”

  • Sharp Ears

    ‘And whether it is the security of Israel in the Middle East or the Baltic states in Eastern Europe, we must always stand up for our friends and allies in democratic countries that find themselves in tough neighbourhoods too.’

    This produced one of several standing ovations tonight for Treeza from the Repugs in Philadelpia.

    So did any mention of increasing defence spending, bogey man Putin and invoking the names of Reagan and Thatcher jointly.

    The text of her speech is half way down the page –

    • Node

      This produced one of several standing ovations tonight for Treeza from the Repugs in Philadelpia. So did any mention of increasing defence spending, bogey man Putin ….

      And no wonder. Apparently “the British Army’s only remaining fighting unit could be wiped out “in an afternoon” in conflict with an enemy such as Russia as “years of budget cuts” have left it with just one war-fighting brigade.”

      And if you cynically think this is yet another of these made-up stories designed to soften us up for yet another defence” budget increase (on top of the guaranteed 0.5% every year till 1921), you’d be wrong. It’s based on a report written by “current and former soldier-scholars” and you don’t get more authoritative than that.

      • Phil Ex-Frog

        “if you cynically think this is yet another of these made-up stories…you’d be wrong…and you don’t get more authoritative than that.”

        Er, the first par of that article states the report is prepared by:

        the army’s in-house think tank

        And you don’t get less impartial than that.

        • Node

          Hmmmm, I shall have to turn my irony level indicator up to eleven. Here’s what I wrote when Paul Barbara posted that link on the nine/11 thread :

          “I love how the article is based on a paper written by current and former “soldier-scholars”. Oh yes, “soldier-scholars,” got a sort of Samurai ring about it, much better than “army propaganda unit,” give the bloke a coconut who renamed his unit that.”

      • Habbabkuk

        To spend 2% of GNP on defence hardly seems excessive, surely?


        What are the other 98% spent on?

    • giyane

      I sometimes hear people talking about sport and soaps as if they were real life. To these two we now can add the swamp , i.e. the Hollywoodised bollocks of USUKIS international politics and the sump i.e. the highly-emotionalised diary of Gonad Trump.

      Re Israel. at this present time the apostate government of Saudi Arabia is an ally of Israel against Shi’a and Sunni civilians in Yemen, and the apostate Political Islam in the shape of Ansar al Islam, a Kurdish CIA group, is fighting Assad’s forces above Quneitra.

      There is a subtle difference between a secular state and an apostate state. The former is a place where civilised behaviour will be accepted whatever your religious beliefs, and the latter is a place where whatever deficiencies of character and intelligence you may suffer from, they will be camouflaged by religious intolerance and its ensuing violence.

      Those trying recently to resolve the Syrian conflict, might usefully take note that for all his brutality Assad was a secular leader, and the CIA’s Al Qaida and Daesh, were by definition apostates for collaborating with USUKIS for political and personal gain.

      Then of course in Israel / Palestine there are also people of faiths. There is more to unite the people of different faiths, more commonality of understanding about life to unite the people in the religious communities.
      Removing the religious values from politics creates Assad’s torture cells and Israeli torture cells.

      As to those who want to use the good name of religion to pursue raw political power, they create Hell on earth and Hell for themselves in the next life. Israel / Palestine is a Holy Land, as is Saudi Arabia and the Sinai. Prophets criss-crossed these lands for thousands of years, calling to truth and calling to a better way of life.

      Nobody will ever accept a secular Palestine/ Israel, a religious-free zone. It should be a politics-free, pluralist society with vibrant practice of all of the relevant faiths.

  • Anon

    We are seeing a very weak attempt by trizza to hide the coming war against Iran, that she had been invited to discuss by Trump. Akin to an obama Cairo Speech 2.0 if you will, after which he unleashed another four wars on the muzzys.

    • giyane

      Magnificent re-branding by Mrs Maybe and Screwloose Johnson this morning that ” gone are the times when Britain and the US can seek to mould the world in their own image blah blah”.

      It’s just a bit rich coming from 3 nations USUKIS who have spent the last 30 years doing just that, and are only taking a small tea-break while wafting wake-up coffee across Russia and China, that they don’t intend to be stopped by a brace of startled squawking pheasants in Moscow and Beijing.

      I’m afraid I see Trump just as a whitewashing re-branding of the dangerously exposed War on Terror.
      Every good film deserves a sequel, but after Bush, Obama and Trump the aliens/Muslim extremist theme might start to be looking a bit weak. Not saying I couldn’t find uses for a bit of alien saliva or even a bit of Salafist gang-rape, But I can manage in the meantime with a hack-saw and a wife.

  • xAnonx

    Self obsessed? Get out of here, this is what blogs should cover, it makes it personal, interesting.

    Isnt it funny btw how the MSM and the UK government refused to cover the Shai Masot affair? Talk about propaganda and corruption!

  • Anon1

    If we could all remember, please, that today is Holocaust Memorial Day, on which we remember the six million Jews rounded up and gassed by anti-Semites in Europe.

    Especially at this time it is worth reflecting on the necessity of a safe homeland for the Jewish people, who have been persecuted throughout history wherever they have settled.

    If we could keep Israel-hatred and conspiracy theories regarding the Jews to a minimum for just today then it might allow for a period of reflection on the suffering of the Jewish people.

    • Node

      f we could all remember, please, that today is H0locaust Memorial Day …..

      Hey, you hermits and desert-island castaways, he’s talking to you.

    • giyane

      Not only is it Holocaust Memorial Day but I learned something new about the extent of these crimes today from the BBC. They said that trains brought Jews from many destinations, such as Norway. Why does it take the political class 72 years to admit the basic facts about their collective conspiracies? Are we going to hear about Obama paying for Daesh and Al Qaida to wreck Syria in the 22nd century?

    • Hmmm

      Have you ever thought that it might not be hatred, but a desire for justice? Mind you have you ever thought…

    • Republicofscotland


      Agreed we mustn’t forget, but we mustn’t forget the Armenian, North American nor the Aboriginal holocausts as well, nor countless others such as the Rwandan genocide, etc.

      It would in my opinion be semantic to separate, one from the other.

      • Habbabkuk


        You are right that one should not forget various other genocides or attempts at genocide and I welcome your comment because it demonstrates perfectly – if transposed to the field of human rights more generally – what I and others are talking about, as exemplified by Anon1’s comment at 20h58 yesterday evening.

        It would be fair to say that, when measured against the standards set by various UN Conventions dealing, directly or indirectly with human rights, there is hardly a govt in the world that does not violate human rights on a daily basis either by commission or omission, To take but one example I have used before, the human rights of millions of Indian children are violated by the Indian govt turning a more or less blind eye to child prostitution and child slave labour. These various human rights violations are not a secret for anyone, or at least not for anyone who claims to be concerned about human rights and to follow those questions.

        An important point Anon1 and others are making is that it is puzzling that those who claim to be concerned about human rights seem to focus almost exclusively on human rights violations committed by Israel. It is not “whataboutery” to pose the question of why that should be so and it is certainly so as far as this blog (and I imagine others like it ) is concerned.

        Until someone provides a satisfactory explanation or hypothesis to explain this curious focus on Israel to the exclusion of human rights abuses anywhere else (except, as far as this blog is concerned, those committed by the US and UK), one is left with the hypothesis advanced by Anon1 at 20h58.

        A hypothesis which acquires credibility through the sort of evidence referred to by Phil Ex- frog in his post at 11h19 (“..the stereotype of mystical Jews somehow controlling the media, the finance sector, the pentagon blah de blah..”. – evidence available in abundance on this blog).

        • Republicofscotland


          Thank you I’m pleased we can at least agree on something.

          However, re your second last paragraph as to why Israel seems not to fair well. I would be most grateful to you if you could express your own opinion as to why that is.

          Thanks in advance.

          • Habbabkuk

            I believe Anon1 offered a plausible explanation (as I said in the post to which you’re responding, actually..)

            The only thing I would perhaps add to it is the following.

            Israel-bashing is also a way of bashing the US and UK.

            Hope that clarifies.

  • bevin

    The conclusion that what the Holocaust-the emblematic act of the Nazi movement-teaches us is the need for a Jewish state, is a like suggesting that the meaning of the Crucifixion is that we should be careful with our carpentry tools, hammers and nails in particular.
    The real significance of the Nazi regime lay in its ruling class roots: from the first it was an enterprise of the capitalists determined not to cede power to the working class, determined to resist the Russian revolution and to break the power of the working class institutions, the Trade Unions in particular, which threatened their power to impose its priorities on working people.
    On Holocaust Day we would do well to reflect upon the clinical savagery with which the ruling class reacted to the challenge that socialism ( a concept so popular in Germany that they incorporated its name in their elitist authoritarian racist project) represented to their property and their power.
    The sad truth, which Ken Livingstone repeated, is that the zionist programme- to move Jews out of Europe ‘back’ to the place where the religion of Judaism originated- fitted well into the anti-semitic policies of the Nazis. And there were numerous instances, well chronicled, of cooperation between the zionists and the nazis.
    The shadow of authoritarian fascism, as the last best hope of capitalism and class rule, is rapidly darkening the political horizon. And nowhere is this better exemplified than in the UK where the ruling class has literally run out of ideas and is thrashing around like a headless chicken looking for alternatives to the challenge which, it senses, is, despite every effort of the media and Fifth Columnists in the Labour Party, recreating a socialist movement and an upswelling of resistance from a population which has seen its living standards lowered and, more importantly, its aspirations to security and contentment, the basic facilities of a home, an income, personal dignity, a family and a place in a caring community, dashed.
    The lesson of Holocaust Day is that human dignity and mutual affection are indivisible, and that to deny them is to open the highway to gas ovens, mass graves and the working to death of slaves, extracting the last drops of labour power from them before watching as they expire.
    The meaning of the ovens at Auschwitz was that the slave labour project was in danger as the Red Army was approaching. And we might want to reflect that, all around Auschwitz, the monuments to those who died liberating its inhabitants and putting an end to its existence, are being torn down. In their place statues to Bandera, whose movement staffed Auschwitz, dragged thousands into it and fought along side the Nazis are being put up.
    In fact throughout eastern Europe-on Holocaust Day- the supporters of the Nazi SS, families and friends of the Concentration Camp organisers, are openly celebrating their work.

    • Habbabkuk

      And BTW, Bevs – when you’re lifting text from elsewhere you should put it into quotation marks and indicate the source.

      All those “we” s 🙂

      • bevin

        Please indicate where you feel that I am ‘lifting’ text from elsewhere.
        This is at least the third tome that you have accused me of plaigiarism. I take your lies in stride when they are clearly those of the crypto fascist circles for which you speak, but when they are directed at me personally and involve slander I am offended.
        So Put up or Fuck off.

        • Habbabkuk

          I was referring to your entire text, Bevs.

          I love the repeated “we” s .

          There you go – I’ve put up.

    • Habbabkuk

      “The sad truth, which Ken Livingstone repeated, is that the zionist programme- to move Jews out of Europe ‘back’ to the place where the religion of Judaism originated- fitted well into the anti-semitic policies of the Nazis.”

      Could you develop that line of argument a little, please?

      • Why be ordinary?

        The Stern Gang thought so but were sadly deceived.

        Remember that first they came for the Communists.

      • bevin

        “Could you develop that line of argument a little, please?”
        Check out Tony Greenstein’s blog. Or take a history course.

  • Republicofscotland

    “I am back from India today, and will be speaking at the SNP Club in Edinburgh tomorrow (Friday) at 7.30pm on Iraq and Syria (all tickets gone I am afraid, but it is being livestreamed by Independence Live).”


    And Theresa May will be back from the US soon, to rebuild Hadrian’s wall. Having had the idea planted firmly in her head by Trump.

    May might even decide to rebuild the Antonine wall as well, Calgacus, would’ve found that idea amusing, as would Tacitus. ?

  • Sharp Ears

    I found this good letter in the Irish Times, detailing how freedom to speak is beng denied. Many instances are quoted.

    Academic conference on Israel
    Wed, Jan 25, 2017, 00:07

    Sir, – It is disappointing and worrying that University College Cork has decided to prevent the academic conference “International Law and the State of Israel” from taking place at the end of March.


  • Sharp Ears

    Oh dearie me! He’s only been there five minutes but he’ll have to go.

    Donald Trump does not mention Jews in Holocaust memorial statement
    The Anti-Defamation League called the omission ‘troubling’

    ‘Jonathan Greenblatt, chief executive of the Anti-Defmation League, said the omission of the word “Jews” – the main target of the Holocaust, which resulted in six million murdered – was “puzzling and troubling”.

    Reza Aslan, an Iranian-American author, tweeted: “This is not an accidental omission. He is generalizing the Holocaust the way the Iranian govt or Neo-Nazis do. There’s a purpose behind it.”‘

  • Sharp Ears

    Gideon took time off from his new job and his constituency work to tweet about HMD.

    ‘George Osborne ‏@George_Osborne. 23h
    Today is #HolocaustMemorialDay. Thru the work of @HolocaustUK & others the immense suffering of the past can help bring hope for the future

    George Osborne
    Jan 26
    George Osborne ‏@George_Osborne
    Signed the @HolocaustUK Book of Commitment in Parliament so we never forget those who suffered so much at the hands of such evil.’

    Plus a nice photo for his admirers to look at. The banner photo is of him in his high viz gear. LOL.
    He is taking one day a week to work for Blackrock. So his constituents and the rest of us who pay his £75k pa salary can go run.

    A Shameless Ex Chancellor
    GUY ADAMS exposes the damning extent of Osborne’s murky relationship with the Treasury and the finance giant that’s just given him a six-figure job
    Former Chancellor popped up the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland
    He gave a speech to HSBC’s clients, earning a reported ‘high five-figure’ fee
    Guy Adams explores the intimate nature of the relationship Osborne appears to have forged with his new employer, BlackRock

  • Sharp Ears

    Unbelievably, in the HQ of the FoIs, Tom Suárez was invited to make this speech in the HoL.

    Terrorism: How the Israeli State Was Won
    By Tom Suárez
    On December 14, Tom Suárez spoke at The House of Lords, London, at the invitation of Baroness Jenny Tonge. Drawing from his recently published book State of Terror, he addressed the centennial of the Balfour Declaration and his views on the way toward ending today’s Israel-Palestine “conflict”. The following are Suárez’s remarks. The book was reviewed here by David Gerald Fincham.

    As it says, he was invited to speak by Jenny Tonge who was thrown out of the LDs by the nincompoop Clegg, the coalition collaborator with Cameron. The NHS is now being dismantled mainly due to the efforts of that pairing and the passing of their Health and Social Care Act in 2012.

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