The terrible death of Dawn Sturgess casts a new shadow over the Salisbury Affair. Dawn appears to have been a popular and well grounded woman with close friend and family ties, whose life had taken a downward turn before being cruelly ended.
The illogical, inconsistent and shifting government narrative over events in Salisbury and Amesbury had appeared so ludicrous as to be tragi-comic. Any sense of amusement is now abruptly dispelled. But less us take a serious and sober look at the government case.
Savid Javid stated today:
We know back in March that it was the Russians. We know it was a barbaric, inhuman act by the Russian state. Again, for this particular incident, we need to learn more and let the police do their work.
Actually, we know no such thing and, contrary to Javid’s deliberate insinuation, the police have adduced no evidence that it was the Russian state.
The media appear to have entirely excluded from the narrative that Porton Down specifically stated that they cannot determine the origin of the poison that attacked the Skripals. Nor has the OPCW. There are scores of both state and non-state actors who could have produced the nerve agent. No evidence has been produced as to the physical person who allegedly administered the poison. In short, nothing so far has been shown which would lead any reasonable person to conclude a case against the Russian state was proven.
I believe this following is the government narrative currently. I hope I am not mistating it:
Russia has a decade long secret programme of producing and stockpiling novichok nerve agents. It also has been training agents in secret assassination techniques, and British intelligence has a copy of the Russian training manual, which includes instruction on painting nerve agent on doorknobs. The Russians chose to use this assassination programme to target Sergei Skripal, a double agent who had been released from jail in Russia some eight years previously.
Only the Russians can make novichok and only the Russians had a motive to attack the Skripals.
The Russians had been tapping the phone of Yulia Skripal. They decided to attack Sergei Skripal while his daughter was visiting from Moscow. Their trained assassin(s) painted a novichok on the doorknob of the Skripal house in the suburbs of Salisbury. Either before or after the attack, they entered a public place in the centre of Salisbury and left a sealed container of the novichok there.
The Skripals both touched the doorknob and both functioned perfectly normally for at least five hours, even able to eat and drink heartily. Then they were simultaneously and instantaneously struck down by the nerve agent, at a spot in the city centre coincidentally close to where the assassins left a sealed container of the novichok lying around. Even though the nerve agent was eight times more deadly than Sarin or VX, it did not kill the Skripals because it had been on the doorknob and affected by rain.
Detective Sergeant Bailey attended the Skripal house and was also poisoned by the doorknb, but more lightly. None of the other police who attended the house were affected.
Four months later, Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess were rooting about in public parks, possibly looking for cigarette butts, and accidentally came into contact with the sealed container of a novichok. They were poisoned and Dawn Sturgess subsequently died.
I am going to leave you to mull over that story yourselves for a while. I believe it is a fair statement of the British government narrative. I also believe almost (but not quite) every single sentence is very obviously untrue. I hope tomorrow to publish a detailed analysis explaining why that is, but want you to look at it yourselves first.
One final thought. I trust that Dawn Sturgess will get a proper and full public inquest in accordance with normal legal process, something which was denied to David Kelly. I suspect that is something the government will seek to delay as long as possible, even indefinitely.
For some reason I cannot reply to John2o2o’s message at July 9, 2018 at 12:59:
He comments:
“I have a degree in chemistry and a passing interest in biochemistry and molecular biology. Nerve agents are small chemical compounds – “organophosphates” – which disrupt the transmission of nerve signals across synapses. Their relatively simple structure is not a sign that they are easy to make. I would think that you would still need to know what you are doing. And take appropriate and very stringent precautions.”
According to a Dr Myhill, organophosphate poisoning is widely known with farmers who use organophosphate weedkillers/pesticides.
http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/Organophosphate_Poisoning_-_symptoms_and_treatment
Acute Organophosphate poisoning results in the following symptoms:
“This is the syndrome recognised by doctors and Poisons Units. Symptoms occur within 24 hours of exposure and include collapse, breathing problems, sweating, diarrhoea, vomiting, excessive salivation, heart dysrrhythmias, extreme anxiety etc. Treatment is with atropine. You have to have a large dose of OP to have this effect (eg. drink some of the dip!) and so this syndrome is rarely seen. ”
If the two drug users injected some of the stuff, then surely they would be affected in this way.
The point being that whatever was in the item the two found, it need not be esoteric (eg a real nerve agent) to have a desirable effect (from the viewpoint of those behind this false flag).
Yonatan, we need to ask if Salisbury parks use weedkillers, treatment sheduled every 4 months.
that was similar to my thinking behind my comment,
“I assume that the latest couple were suffering from cholinergic toxidrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxidrome#Cholinergic which lead to the diagnosis of poisoning by novichock … does anyone know if there is any other evidence to support this conclusion?”
Wait until this afternoon for more lies from the Mekon.
https://calendar.parliament.uk/calendar/Commons/All/2018/7/9/Daily
and
Statement: Amesbury update: 9 July 2018
Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, is to update the House of Commons on the Amesbury incident.
The statement will follow the statement from the Prime Minister, Theresa May, on exiting the EU.
Watch live on Parliament TV from 4.30pm: statement: Amesbury update
Transcripts of proceedings in the House of Commons Chamber are available in Hansard online three hours after they happen.
Follow the @HouseofCommons on Twitter for updates on the UK House of Commons Chamber.
The official narrative does give a get out.
Sergei and Yulia may have formed a suicide pact. This was motivated by a desire to get revenge on Putin for the deaths of mother/wife and brother/son. They calculated sanctions etc after their “death at his hands”.
Yulia brought some novichok with her from Russia, some old stash from Sergei’s military service.
They visited the cemetery to say their goodbyes.
We know shortly before the bench incident Sergei was “feeding ducks” in the river. Some bread he handled had novichok on it. He had administered the novichok to himself and Yulia. As well as the bread he chucked the novichok container into the river.
This then floated downstream to QEG. The drought lowered the river level and the container was picked up by the unfortunate Dawn.
I’m not saying this is what did happen. In my opinion rogue ex MI6 officers did the original job for their own ends.
But the above storyboard would allow both sides a face saving way out if the vial is “found” and forensically linked to the Skripals.
That’s good. Your invitation to join the team of official government script writers is probably already in the post.
Where these two individuals
the original people on the CCTV
the original people found passed out on the park bench (from a fentanyl overdose)
the spooks saw an opportunity to insert the Skripals, create an anti Putin chemical weapons narrative, change the remit of the OPCW giving additional power to assign blame (bi-passing UNSC veto powers)
and they are now cleaning house (guy will be announced dead soon too)?
No wait, I forgot, that would be un-British…………
Yep. You’ve about summed up the situation. And they couldn’t even perform this in a competent manner. It just goes to show that whilst the British Security Services are ruthless; they’re also utterly incompetent.
* Were they involved in the assassination attempt? – Accidently poisoning themselves?
* Did they become witness of the ass. attempt? – The murderers tried to silence them?
* Where Skripals ending up on the bench were Dawn and Charlies were sitting and got contaminated?
* Where they sold “novichuk” by someone thinking it was a different drug?
* Dumpster diving? Not credible imo, the dumpster must have been recycled by now and even if, its so far fatched isnt it?
I think it is telling that we have seen no sign of Sergei since the incident and Yulia was not allowed to speak freely. If there is not a proper inquest into Dawn’s death, that would also be telling.
I commented likewise on the earlier Amesbury thread. This ‘incident’ places HM govt. between a rock and a hard place as regards the various Russo-phobic assumptions they put forward as evidence in connection with the Skripal poisoning. They could not then construct a coherent narrative given a ‘within subjects’ paradigm. They cannot now do so ‘between subjects’ either.
Whatever ‘cock and bull’ story they come up with from this point will immediately announce itself as false as claiming to be Spartacus. I suspect Dawn’s relatives, and we the public, will not be offered the benefit, if such it be, of a Coroner’s inquest. Needless to say, any such denial would confirm rather than alleviate suspicion, but not of Russians that’s for sure.
Did we hear anything at all from Yulia?
In the video statement from Yulia that was issued by Reuters, Yulia looks much younger and slimmer than in the photos taken immediately before the alleged poisoning. So could it have been an old video in an unidentifiable location dubbed with a new script. In that case, the public has heard nothing definitely attributable to either of the Skripals, who, as will be recalled, the CIA had offered to “take care of”.
Dawn Sturgess was a registered Heroin addict and a very heavy drinker and its likely her immune system was not as robust as the Scripals, though I admit that is supposition. While her partner Charlie Rowley had recently finished a Jail term for selling Heroin wraps to local teenagers.
Both were well known in the local area for rummaging thru public bins and skips looking for things to sell/eat/smoke so would have been highly likely to have come into contact with any discarded contaminant that was probably discarded in panic after the Scripal job went tits up and the poison was not properly dispensed.
Do you think bins in Salisbury are not emptied at a minimum fortnightly?
They could have come into contact with another poison dumped in a bin recently or something discarded in bushes after the general post-Skripal cleanup.
Patrick, I strongly suspect they are emptied every day for a variety of reasons. It’s the same as the Skripals, the Government narrative keeps changing!
Dawn Sturgess died when she came into contact with the British Deep State. Bins schmins.
Simple but accurate diagnosis Michael. Skripals also.
Could Charles Rowley have been let out of prison – or let off particular drugs charges – in exchange for ‘helping’ the police (aka Special Branch) with some particular work they were undertaking. He and the drug addict (who may also have had offences hanging over her head) Dawn Sturgess could very easily have been manipulated into helping deliver the BZ compound to the Skripals – whether it was via parcel or sprayed directly into their faces.
Rowley and Sturgess might then have been threatened by Special Branch that if they uttered a word of what they’d done, they’d be doing long stretches in prison. Finally, they became too much of a burden and were dealt with. Permanently (Charles Rowley’s demise will be announced shortly).
In that case why release the CCTV?
Because of the incompetence and chaotic way this was carried out. The police released the CCTV accidentally and without approval of Special Branch. Note how quickly they didn’t mention the ‘unidentified blonde woman’, who was initially ‘of interest’, again. It was as if she never really existed as far as the ‘investigation’ was concerned.
That sounds reasonable, thank you.
However the problem with the scenario that they were targeted is the delay between them being hospitalised and the diagnosis of Novichok poisoning. If they were targeted why the delay?
I’m afraid that I’m unable to reply to your question about the delay between them being hospitalised and the diagnosis of Novichok poisoning (the ‘Reply’ button is missing).
I’m not entirely sure of your meaning about the ‘delay’. Was this to do with the Skripals or the Rowley / Sturgess incidents?
Yes, indeed ther wer delays in both cases. I am referring to the delay in the Amesbury case.
Once again, I’m unable to reply directly to your post.
I’m not sure that the delay in either case is material to the events. If I were asked why would a delay have happened if Special Branch already knew what was happening, then I’d have to say that to immediately state that two known drug addicts – who collapsed for some unknown reason – was as a result of Novichok poisoning would be to show indecent haste in proclaiming the cause of this.
After all, wouldn’t the more rational explanation be that they had overdosed upon some form of opiate – that being their drug of choice? To immediately proclaim that they were victims of a powerful military nerve agent would seem such a massive instantaneous leap of logic that it would open the Government, Intelligence Services, and the Police to even more accusations that they were perpetrating a massive fraud and false flag operation.
In this case, a delay would be essential if they were to maintain any form of credibility on the matter. They had to make it look as though they’d ‘thoroughly investigated’ the matter before ‘leaping to conclusions’ – and that requires an interval of delay.
I don’t agree. Thete was a massive response when the Amebury couple were taken ill. That was rhe time for Porton Down to make tests. Why these tests only took place a couple of days later is a big question for me.
You know Ducky Lucky, I think there might just be another false flag in Syria coming up.
I think that I may be speaking at cross purposes with you.
There was a massive response to the Amesbury case – I agree. There was a delay – I’m sure that there was. There had to be a delay. So I don’t quite understand how what I’ve said doesn’t fit with the time-line of events that arose: from their ‘discovery’ through to the massive response.
Why was there such a delay, 48+ hours between the massive response and the diagnosis of Novichok poisoning? If there was a plot to kill the Amesbury pair, whybwas that necessary? To me the delay looks like they were poisoned with something else, and then someone decided to make this a Novichok poisoning. If therecwas an intention all along for it to be a Novichok poidoning therecwould be no need for such a delay.
I see what you’re driving at: the massive response came two days before the Novichok poisoning announcement.
Clearly the fact that there should be a massive response to the death by unknown substances of two known heavy users o f heroin / opiate users, prior to the diagnosis of Novichok poisoning is in itself pretty damning: why go to the trouble of mobilising a massive response when the most likely explanation for two opiate “addicts” is almost certain to be an overdose of said opiates?
Clearly this was orchestrated from the beginning, but very incompetently handled. Again.
If they’d have at least appeared to take their time and only provide the massive response once at least a cursory investigation had taken place into what caused their deaths (if it wasn’t a typical common drug overdose), then it might have been more ‘convincing’ – at least to the majority who don’t pay much attention.
As I’ve said previously, our intelligence services are ruthless, but incompetent in their ruthlessness.
“Clearly this was orchestrated from the beginning, but very incompetently handled. Again.”
When you have the BBC and the rest of the media to push the official narrative, who needs bother about being competent, coherent or consistent?
Anyhow, inconsistencies and outright nonsense in the narrative confuse the public to the point that they give up trying to figure things out. On the other hand, when you have a very precise and logically coherent narrative, as in the case of the 7/7 Tube bombings, small inconsistencies trip you up and compel the minister to retract statements publicly.
where does Sam Hobson fit into all this?
If we accept the fantastic supposition that Dawn and/or Charlie were poisoned after handling an unknown substance or object in the belief that it was, or contained , usable drugs, this is arguably a Hobson’s Choice.
“Paramedics said they needed to do a heart and brain scan and so Charlie and I were told we couldn’t see her. Charlie was fine at first.”
Sam Hobson provides very strange evidence. Again, how does weapons-grade Novichok act so amazingly slowly? None of it makes sense.
If this Sam Hobson was present, did he administer something to them? Did Charles Rowley ever get a chance to describe what it was the he and Dawn Sturgess came into contact with? Were the drugs that Charles Rowley and Dawn Sturgess supplied by Special Branch – and was something supplied to them that contained a ‘secret ingredient’?
I think there has to have been considerable incompetence and/or chance involved in the true explanation. None of this looks to me like the execution of a well thought out plan! Would we know if Rowley or Sturgess had ever worked at Porton – maybe as a cleaner?
The whole thing is amateur hour. But then I’ve never held our Security Services in high regard in relation to their competence. Well, in fact I’ve never held them in high regard with relation to anything. They are a joke. Ruthless, vindictive and wicked, but still laughably incompetent.
Interesting tweet from @Billbrowder “Tragic news as the Putin regime’s terrorism on U.K. soil has claimed another innocent life. It’s beyond time for British government to get tough with Russian state actors and their oligarch trustees in London or many more people will die”
Why will many more people die?
He certainly does have a lot of form with Putin, you would have thought he was top of the list for assassination, not a couple of random people.
The problem with Bill Browder is that he is never giving evidence in court where counsel can ask Mi’ Lud to advise the witness as to the consequences of perjury.
I am strongly in favour of Bill Browder being hauled before a suitably sceptical forensic examiner if he keeps on with his evidence-free Russia bashing. He is not a person the British people will miss if he is told to Shut Up and Go Home.
No-one outside Parliament pays much notice to his input.
I’d never heard of this guy. I just looked him up.
He must really hate Putin an awful lot: Browder did business in Russia from about 1995, at the height of the theft and stripping of Russian state-owned assets by unscrupulous foreign financiers, oligarchs, and mafia bosses (not sure there’s much distinction between the three). Browder became very rich.
In 2005, Browder was prevented from doing business in Russia. I wonder what could possibly have instigated this move by the Russian authorities? Answers on a postcard.
He’s the man behind the Magnitsky Act. See wikipedia. Sergei Magnitsky was his friend. Browder and Hermitage Captital are the main reason for all the anti Russian hate at present, apart from the intervention in Syria of course.
Don’t expect the MSM to tell you who the good guys are in this. But look at who is being demonized, and who has deep state support.
Yep. And I bet a lot of Browder’s buddies in the Deep State and financial world were getting rich, rich, rich, based upon his ‘work’ in Russia.
It’s no wonder they want to get rid of Putin who put a stop to it all.
i agree with andy… russia after gorbachev was fine for looting and pillaging, up until russia realized that isn’t the type of capitalism they had in mind, in spite of all the help in the early 90’s the harvard folks offered… browder is still pissed he was stripped of his kleptomaniac powers in the old russia.. of course the kleptocrats in the west wish to uphold his position..
Bill Browder is a criminal. He was part of a whole gang of them; in the mid-1990s it was normal not to pay taxes to the government, evade but especially bribe the tax office, or as Khodorkovsky pay parliamentarians to issue laws that would specifically exempt his companies. When all that gets reversed under Putin, when the tax office bribes are no longer covering the past crimes, Browder gets handed a huge lawsuit. He quickly disappears to the West with his money, leaves Magnitsky the accountant to explain things to the authorities, and then switches the story around…. poor me,…and of course the West buys into it.
i agree.. the west bought into it, as that is how they really wish it could continue!! kleptomaniacs all of them..
All you need to know about Browder.
https://dxczjjuegupb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/TheKillingOfWilliamBrowder_PrintLayout_6x9-1.pdf
Thanks for the download link. I shall read this from cover to cover. He looks to be a very, very dangerous man.
After Spanish police detained and released him this May, Brouder wrote : “Interpol informed all contries-members that they should ignor russian inquires about Brouder” Released for the 5 or 6 time already
That in itself if a damning fact.
Bill Browder (@Billbrowder) твитнул(а): Spanish National Police @policia need to answer why I was unlawfully arrested on Wednesday. Had they simply gone to the Interpol website and searched my name, they would have found: “INTERPOL cannot be used by the Russian Federation to seek the arrest of Mr William Browder” https://t.co/tJ30k1bEMa https://twitter.com/Billbrowder/status/1002434347088138240?s=17
Again I say, as I’ve said earlier – Isr@eli nationals involved into driving big russian money to western banks – never asked, never trialed, untouchabals.
Bankers and financiers involved in making the power-brokers rich beyond avarice are entitled to steal, kill and rob at will. All under the protection of state governments. Russia won’t play that game – so they must be destroyed.
Andy, am I not mistaken in thinking it is Russian Oligarchs who donated over £800,000 to the Tory party?
Indeed. The fate and whereabouts of corpus delicti is unknown and its continued corporeal existence cannot be guaranteed. Disposal of two prior mammalian victims of Novitsjok was not, after all, by inhumation and we should not be surprised if the authorities adopt a similar precautionary principle.
“not (…) inhumation”
Exactly.
A point nobody has raised here yet, surprisingly.
If only we could hear the Skripals speaking freely about how and why they fell in (if in fact they did) and where they have been since. Failing that, someone who has had contact with them since the ‘incident’ blowing the whistle might shed a bit of light. Of course, Julian Assange stands as a disincentive to all whistle-blowers.
That’s what I’m waiting to hear. I don’t expect any honesty from Skripal senior, but Julia might be willing to tell the truth.
Thank you Craig Murray for your piece. Indeed, I find the whole thing intriguing to the point we could be concerned about an establishment cover-up. I’ve always been interested in what happened to David Kelly.
Look forward to your next piece
There is at least one published paper describing synthesis of novichoks in Iran, in a perfectly reliable journal. It is simply not true that only Russia has novichoks.
The Germans had Novichok formulae 20 years ago, got the Swedes to manufacture them and they were then tested, before details were shared widely across intelligence services.
The US, UK, Israel and bang others have had access for decades, DSTL has analysed and researched them.
The Russians will tell us soon that all antibody-based biological weapons come from Britain because Milstein, Chiswell and other luminaries in Cambridge developed and commercialised all the monoclonal platform technologies over the past 50 years.
They will do it to make idiots in Westminster see the folly if their logic.
Some years ago the US took out a patent on an antidote to Novichok. Porton Down would have been aware of this. Why wasn’t the antidote given to the Skripals as soon as the cause of the illness was identified by Porton Down? Ditto the two recent drug addicts?
Rhys added to which of course neither Russia or Syria have any chemical weapons as clearly stated by the OPCW in 2017. However, the Israeli Government does and it is only one of four countries that is not a member of the OPCW so is therefore never inspected. Whereas Russia and Syria and other member countries are inspected on a regular basis.
Who remembers the Anthrax poisonings in the US a couple of weeks after 9/11 ? Six people died and many more were made seriously ill after Anthrax letters were posted to Politicians and Journalists.
Widely blamed on Bin Laden / Saddam Hussein / Muslim terrorists . However after a long investigation it was found that the Anthrax was manufactured at USAMRIID , a US military research facility.
A Mr. Ivans , a research chemist at the establishment was blamed for the crime. He conveniently committed suicide shortly before his trial was due to begin.https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/anthrax-letters-terrorized-nation-now-decontaminated-public-view-180960407/
ZigZag, I definitely do and questioned it at the time. However, I doubt very much whether our ‘investigations’ are going to be robust, impartial or proper.
The question again is – who wants who to do what? Trump is coming. The Saudis were here last time. What is the effect on international relations? Who stands to gain? Russia is holding the powers to account in the Middle East. Netanyahu has an agreement with Putin that if Iran strikes Israel Russia will not support Iran, so Israel took out Hezbollah positions in Southern Syria under cover of the targeted strikes on chemical plants. Assad is retaking those areas of Syria and offering safe passage to civilians to leave before forces move in. Russia wants civilians to be able to move back as soon as borders are secure. Borders in the Golan Heights include areas where Israel has already sold shares in mineral rights. Just speculating, possibly wide of the mark…..
“Netanyahu has an agreement with Putin that if Iran strikes Israel Russia will not support Iran”
I have not heard of this. Do you have a reliable source for this claim?
Not sure about that one either. Found this but it’s just opinion.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180709-political-analyst-russia-us-plan-to-keep-assad-expel-iran/
Alyson, spot on.
I’m just stunned at the idiotic display of the British authorities. There is no evidence with the Skripal story to link the Russian state, the current incidence throws even more doubt and more chaos into the mix, and still there’s a UK minister that dares to rehash the name Russia in what is probably the most tragi-comical inept who-dunnit in British history. Now even the UK sports pundits are talking about a flawless, wonderful World Cup organized beautifully by the Russians, where there are no police state-stories against fans and not one gay bashing. A jarring contrast that hopefully will translate into a massive electoral defeat.
Sturgess according to media noise was ‘murdered’. If you rummage around in a garbage bin and get pricked by a syringe needle, a likely scenario nowadays, and die as a result. Is that murder? Only if there were cyrillic text on the syringe it would seem.
Not all heroin addicts inject themselves some snort (sniff ) it and some smoke it. The rock guitarist Eric Clapton had a major heroin addiction for several years but never injected it, as he was terrified of needles . (He says this in his autobiography.)
A fast game of snakes and ladders is being played in Westminster. Poor Theresa can’t keep up now that Boris has resigned. All morning there was mystery as to his whereabouts. Nobody knew nuffing.
Come on Jeremy! Stop tweeting and gird up your loins. Get rid of her and them. And all the carping Blairites within the party too.
how?
BoJo does a runner, Brexit White Paper by Treeza doesnt mean Brexit, it means semantic fukcall. General Election NOW.
please not Gove.
Ok the smug-gargoyle it is !
Grats!
Gove was on Marr y’day talking up the Chequers agreement and how the entire cabinet was giving it their full support. The daft twat.
I think the ludicrous concept of the poisoned butt end was a speculation by an unnamed friend and neighbour on a channel 4 interview, taken up by the Daily Mail. This neighbour said the police had never interviewed him. Still, in so speculating, he implid that rooting around for butt ends would not be likely an unlikely thing. I think the government narrative is simply that they were rooting around for things.
May keeps saying cabinet agreed on everything but resignations continue – RESIGN NOW and Call an election – this government is dead as a dodo – there is NO BREXIT FFS!!!!
No Brexit! No Sanity Clause! No golden unicorns!
The SNP and the Greens in Holyrood should go for UDI. At this point a couple of LD and Lab MSPs could declare allegiance. Holyrood broke for summer recess last week, BUGGER!
Jazza, oh please let this happen. Problem is May is power mad and her only consideration at the moment is to hang on to it. What we have at the present time is a Government that has descended into chaos and is not fit to govern the nation let alone complete Brexit negotiations – so yes, they should stand down. Not going to happen though unless the MSM bring severe pressure to bear and they are not going to do that.
The other bit of the government narrative isthe fact that both PD and the OPCW seem to have found ‘Novichok’ in a high purity form. This is strange for a number of reasons. I believe that high purity agents may be produced in the lab to study but for use as a weapon grade, purity is not necessary and the agent may be combined with others to improve stability, make it stucky, more resistant to degradation, and so on. This is a rather glaring discrepancy which nobody has explained.
The other discrepancy is that if someone is exposed to the most toxic nerve agent, whatever the route of exposure, and survives for the period of time that any of the victims have means that either this was not ‘Novichok’ the extremely toxic nerve agent, or Novichok was found to be really ineffective for the purpose developed and that is why it was never listed by the OPCW as a nerve agent.
So there was may being laughed at and ridiculed in parliament – when corbyn got up to reply – may rocking like a tenpin bowling pin that needed knocking over and corbyn failed – completely missed the target and this lousy government stay to fight another day – labour party like the tories are not fit to govern – we should have heard RESIGN all over the country – this is theatre at its finest – sadly it helps the country not one bit!!
the problem is Jazza, that anything Corbyn says will be seized on by the MSM in the most negative of manners – i.e. unpatriotic, using the current situation as an unashamed attempt to call an election and get into government by the back route – etc etc etc. He did make the point but in a more civil an understated way as is his style. I am in no doubt the Labour Party is fit to govern, far fitter than this Government – Corbyn just needs to get rid of the Ruth whatever her name is Chukka and the other Blairites.
The BBC reporter covering the trapped in a cave story in Thailand is Martin Patience. Nominative determinism gone mad.
“Nominative determinism gone mad.”
What did you say, I forget, Vivian O’Blivion. 😉
Worse Foreign Secretary since William Hague.
https://skwawkbox.org/2018/07/09/may-tried-to-bribe-davis-with-johnsons-job-not-to-resign-even-screwed-that-up/
and this – right wing labout to support may
https://skwawkbox.org/2018/07/09/centrist-u-turn-on-cards-as-labour-back-benchers-consider-shoring-up-may/
no wonder corbyn FAILED
The so-called ‘centrist’ Labour’ MPs are Tories by another name. They are described as ‘centrist’ to allow Corbyn to be described as ‘far left’, ‘loony left’ etc.
I was going to ask, what is Labours position on the proposed deal? Do they have one?
So the official narrative is a bit suspect, but we can’t quite rule out anybody just yet because we have no solid evidence. We can’t even rule out the possibility that it’s our own secirity services at play.
Where does that leave us, well they say make hay while the sun shines, and the British governments hay is one of pointing the finger at Russia, but we’re back to square one again in the shape of there’s no real evidence to blame them.
It’s difficult to assess the situation, without any stand out culprit, or state actors involvement, such as in the asassination of Kim Jong-Nam.
That is why you should not build up theories, but just demand information from government. If not Russia allowed into the investigation, then let it be another independent party.
Agreed Tatyana, however it’s a perfect opportunity, even without evidence, for the British government to point the finger of incrimination towards Russia.
However I cannot see how the international community can take the British government seriously on these matters without any evidence at all.
I think it has been, if not widely reported, that Novichok, can and has been produced by other state and non state actors, other than Russia.
Yet the British focus is, and has been entirely on Russia.
I see international community is happy with British narrative. I see none international institution which could ask for proofs from Britain.
I wonder if Russia possibly can turn to international recognised court for help?
Russia should just sit back, and watch this spectacle of a swansong, by a sad and tired former empire dying and crumbling within the course of a few weeks.
@bj, hello my virtual friend with russia-developed-kind-of-humor 🙂
Me personally want to know the truth, I’d lke to dig to the facts.
I think I’ve read most of the comments on these Amesbury threads and no-one seems to have pointed out that the percentage of alcholic junkies must be microscopic. The two addictions are hardly complimentary.
Well Amy Winehouse was one .
And Eric Clapton another. Usually they are drinking when they are trying to stay off heroin.
With Trump due in the UK next week and Scotland at the weekend many in the security apparatus seem to be concerned about his safety, let alone the logistics and costs of moving his road convoy around.
I have just noticed that the US carrier Harry S Truman and its support flotilla look to be somewhere around the British Isles at that time and could give him a very safe and economical overnight stay and photo opportunity, perhaps on the Saturday night.
He’ll probably kiss British soil through a hazmat face protector.
The Times of Israel acknowledges the recent strikes in Southern Syria: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-to-meet-with-putin-in-moscow-next-week/
First we had the buffoon David Davis resign, now the clown prince of Westminster Boris Johnson has resigned. We’re governed by fools.
May’s latest cabinet photo.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhqsLDTW4AEUrcS?format=jpg
Why on earth would trained Russian assassins leave behind a vessel used to brew the deadly poison behind like this? Such a vital clue perhaps linking them directly with the attempted assassination of the Skripals? It makes no sense at all. Why not dump it in any rubbish bin somewhere else and it would have vanished by now forever. Or, dump it in a river. Or burn it using lighter fluid? Why leave a trail of clues behind?
I am increasingly wondering about the Ukraine – a number of powerful Ukrainians would like nothing g better than to repeatedly cast Russia in. bad light.
This would be a good idea, to ‘outsource’ the ‘assassination’ to some ‘friendly’ nation’s hired killers to do the actual work, like Ukraine; and this would give the UK’s secret service a degree of plausible deniability, should things go wrong or the plot is uncovered. Still, this whole grizzly saga is beyond weird.
Mary Paul, I think they just do the work they are paid for
Matthew Lee is the most honest journalist I know
https://youtu.be/OWfBW1ExZmc