Nationalisation Without Compensation 1600

When slavery was abolished in the British Empire, taxpayers paid huge sums in compensation to slave owners for the loss of their “property”. No compensation was ever paid to the slaves for the loss of their freedom.

The problem with that approach is, of course, that the state did not take into account that the “property” of which it was relieving the landowners was acquired as part of an inhuman and immoral situation.

I was considering the same question in relation to the constitutional moves of South Africa to redistribute land without compensation. It seems to me this is plainly morally justified. The only question marks I can see are of practicality, in terms of making sure those taking over the land are trained to keep it properly in production, and that redistribution is not corrupt. Those are not insuperable problems, and I support the South African government in its endeavours.

But I wish to apply the same principle, of the state acting to right historic injustice on behalf of the people, much more widely and in the UK.

I apply precisely the same argument to the great landed estates, particularly but not only in Scotland. I believe the fundamental answer to land reform is confiscation by the state of large estates, and that social justice can never be redressed by the taxpayer simply handing over money to the ultra-wealthy. We have already been doing far too much of that through the bankers’ bailouts.

I have no moral qualms at all about simply taking back the land, whether it be from the Dukes of Sutherland, Buccleuch and Atholl, from a Dutch businessman or from a sheikh. In England the Grosvenor estate, the lands of the Duchy of Cornwall, and similar holdings could be confiscated. I do not see this as harm to the “owners”. Let them work for a living, or try their luck with the benefits claim system. Residential properties in large estates might become council homes, while tenants of commercial properties might pay rents to the council rather than to the Duke of Westminster, and the council use a large portion of that money for homebuilding.

Agricultural land from vast estates might perhaps best be given to the tenant farmers who have rented it. In the Highland glens, there are vast tracts which were once cattle rearing and arable. We have been lied to for generations that these are only fit for moorland for grouse and deer hunting – despite the fact that they are studded with the croft foundations of the cleared populations they once supported, who reared cattle and grew crops. These unfarmed lands should be given free to communities to develop; with assistance for the expensive task of bringing them back into production. That assistance would be a better use of state money than paying “compensation” to the ultra-wealthy.

But it is not only land. I favour nationalisation without compensation of all PFI projects, and of all railways and utilities. The owners have milked the public and the taxpayer far too long. Any business investment carries risk, including political risk. If you misjudge the political risk, your business fails. These businesses have made a misjudgement of political risk in the view they could profiteer, that it is possible to rip off the people forever without blowback. That is a business miscalculation, and such businesses deserve to fail.

The Labour Party’s renationalisation proposals have been carefully calculated within the existing framework of “legitimate” property rights. Therefore John McDonnell has framed rail nationalisation in terms of the expiration of franchises, and talked of PFI projects in terms of buyouts. I reject this approach in favour of the more radical approach of confiscation.

Yes, I realise that some percentage of the investments removed will belong to pension funds and insurance companies and even foreign states, and to small investors. Still more will belong to hedge funds and plutocrats, and the stake of ordinary people in wealth through pension funds had been – deliberately – tumbling for two decades. The less wealthy individuals with a stake in pension funds will lose a little, but gain from the wider public good, and for them there might be a compensation mechanism.

I also realise the markets will not like confiscation, and there will be an increase in bond yields; but this will pass. There is no measure to redress social injustice the markets will like. The City of London is our enemy and will naturally attempt to resist or punish any attack on its continued ability to be the conduit for the hoovering dry of the national wealth.

The fact is, that the extreme injustice and inequalities of society have now become so very glaring that there is no way to make any impression on wealth disparity without changes that may be rightly considered revolutionary. Either we are content to live in a society where the wealthiest one per cent will within two decades own ninety per cent of all wealth in the UK and the rest of us be helots, or we make changes to the fabric of the economy and government which are truly radical.

The economic system has tilted beyond correction by tinkering.

What is immorally owned ought not to be compensated on expropriation by the community.

As with the owners of slaves, the owners of “property” would be likely to attempt to defend their riches through the courts. This is where the doctrine of the sovereignty of parliament might for once be put to good rather than evil use, in passing law making such state confiscation unequivocally legal. Both the UK and Scotland appear set for at least a period outside the EU; I cannot think of a better use for any window of legal autonomy.

I am fully aware that I am proposing very radical measures very unlikely to be adopted by the current political Establishment. But the most telling fact of recent western society, itself a natural and predictable result of that galloping wealth inequality, is that the political Establishment has its coat on a very shoogly peg.

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  • Sharp Ears

    Yesterday’s shenanigans in the HoC. Did Theresa May look bothered? No. Probably all to plan.

    .Dominic Grieve’s Brexit amendment gives control back to MPs – but what will they do with it?
    The Commons has won the right to dictate the government’s course of action once the Brexit deal is voted down

    A reminder. Grieve as Attorney General, could have granted an inquest for Dr Kelly. He did not and then fought successfully an application for a judicial review of his decision. He is one of ‘them’.

    I do not trust any of ‘them’ to act in our interests.

    PS The BBC sound cock a hoop this morning. That alone should make us think.

    • BrianFujisan

      Sharp Ears

      You don’t need us Scots to tell you about the bbC..They cost us our independence.. but the Unicorn has Awoken.

    • Sharp Ears

      Before all of that, Hunt & co took questions.

      Foreign and Commonwealth Office

      Leaving the EU: Diplomatic Co-operation
      Saudi Arabia
      Sino-British Joint Declaration: Rule of Law
      Brazil: Incoming Administration
      Hazara Population in Afghanistan
      Refugee Crises
      Yemen: Peace Process
      Human Rights and Freedom of Religion or Belief
      Journalists’ Rights and Freedoms
      Illegal Wildlife Trade
      Israel and Palestine
      Economic and Diplomatic Relations: Africa
      Topical Questions


      The subject of Ukraine came up in the link above.

      Hunt is optimistic on the talks about a peace process in Yemen, starting tomorrow in Stockholm. The statistics on starvation, cholera and deaths are terrible.

      The usual useless handwringing from Alistair Burt on Palestine. A charade. There were two planted anti-Hamas/Hezbollah questions from Blackman and Caulfield, both members of the CFoI lobby group.

    • N_

      Anna Soubry says she’d prefer Leave under May to Remain under Corbyn.

      Meanwhile Financial Times guy Jim Pickard is reporting that privy counsellors (although he can’t spell the word) have been invited to a briefing at noon on Thursday on the ramifications of No Deal, to be delivered by the Civil Contingency Secretariat of the Cabinet Office. That is the department responsible for emergency planning. It is also the staff office for the COBRA committee.

      I don’t watch TV but I listen to the radio, and gobs of several different kinds are uttering words such as “resilience” increasingly frequently, including in terms not directly connected with politics or the economy. It’s probably being used on the Archers by now.

      We can be sure that the CCS are NOT going to tell Jeremy Corbyn etc. that No Deal won’t bring any disruption that’s worth worrying about. On the contrary they will tell him the lights will go out, there will be shortages of food, fuel, and medicines, and that the army will have to be called in and there will be megadeath. As I never tire of saying, the secret “god” of the ruling scum who own this country and its Tory party has for a long time been Thomas Malthus. They will be whooping like m*therf***ers at the thought of all those dead single mothers in social housing. Did the entitled ones ask the proles to breed?

      When the Tories increase their insistence that they are “serving the people”, no prizes for guessing what’s being prepared.

      A similar point can be made about the idea that “nobody knows what’s going to happen”.

        • Sharp Ears

          Ex BLiar and Brown stooge you mean. Both ardent remainers.

          ‘It probably helped that one of his early civil service roles after the obligatory degree in PPE from Oxford was amid a perhaps even more suspicious atmosphere, as he helped Gordon Brown’s Treasury liaise with Downing Street under Tony Blair.

          Robbins rose at great speed and by the age of 31 was Blair’s principal private secretary, or head of the prime minister’s personal office, a role he kept for a period when Brown moved into No 10.
          Subsequent roles included more than three years as David Cameron’s deputy national security adviser, during which time he was closely involved in government attempts to retrieve files passed to the Guardian by the US whistleblower Edward Snowden.’

          He also knows where all the bodies are buried.

          • Paul Greenwood

            the obligatory degree in PPE from Oxford

            Yes it was the only was you could study Economics at Oxford was by taking PPE.

        • Dave

          Yes after the unnecessary general election things have been dragged out until people are sick of the issue, have moved away or died, and then at last moment May announces a no hope deal with the resulting crisis used as the justification to betray all earlier promises.

          And touring the country ‘selling the deal’ and releasing legal advice is to ensure no one is in any doubt about how bad the deal is. Her professed determination to win a vote on a deal no one supports is either very stupid or very clever, politically speaking. I don’t think she’s stupid.

          • uncle tungsten

            Yes Dave but I would hasten to add that her not being stupid does not confirm the latter part of your binary formula. Can I suggest:- neither stupid nor clever but delusional obstinate,

  • TFS

    Well the UK has got previous in parcelling up land across the world, i’m sure a legal case can be made for you idea across the UK.

    And then there’s the EU Balkinasation of Europe, more supporting evidence

    Oh, and dont forget the eminent Balfour, the cheeky chappy. He was Scottish wasn’t he? Maybe start with his family lands. I’m sure the Palestinians would note the irony and that karma is indeed a biatch.

  • Tony M

    Shoogly peg? Shoogly nail not good enough for the plutocratic bon-bourgeois?

    I still don’t believe so many and amongst those some seemingly intelligent idiots fall for this whole parliamentary theatre thing, it doesn’t and isn’t intended to work as they hope, as they like to think it does. They’ve actually got it all back-to-front. Neither house has real power, not while the Crown, the square-mile City of London, a handful of people representing the real power -command otherwise. This glorified talking-shop parish-council are subject always to certain concurrent rights of the said Crown. Parliament’s job is then amongst themselves to simulate the illusion of having arrived at the ‘right’ decision. After a judicious amount of buffoonery, some Punch-and-Judy japes, grandstanding and pulling faces, their slavish submission must invariably follow on unltimate penalty of their demise. Does some actual law compel a ministry which has lost the confidence of the Hice demand that it resign, or it is just not the done-thing to cling on -has anyone actually checked the fine-print with their pince-nez? Those easily-amused keying themselves up for some great parliamentary melodrama, breathlessly anticipating forthcoming highlights should expect only disappointment when the limp members jerkily shamble out of the bars flop into the pews and the usual piss-poor puppet-show and hackneyed script gets underway.

  • Sharp Ears

    Hearing Liam Fox, International Trade Secretary, giving evidence to the Select Committee, I was wondering how far Israel is involved or consulted in his negotiations. Fox is a member of the Conservative Friends of Israel of course. I don’t know who else in the lit below belongs to their party’s Friends of Israel group.

    The members of the committee are:
    Angus Brendan MacNeil (Chair) Scottish National Party
    Mr Nigel Evans Conservative
    Mr Marcus Fysh Conservative
    Sir Mark Hendrick Labour (Co-op)
    Mr Ranil Jayawardena Conservative
    Mr Chris Leslie Labour (Co-op)
    Emma Little Pengelly Democratic Unionist Party
    Julia Lopez Conservative
    Faisal Rashid Labour
    Catherine West Labour
    Matt Western Labour

  • Demetrius

    The compensation for slavery in the 1830’s is not as simple as it seems. After a difficult period the slave owning plantation owners were mostly in serious debt with the back stop for all this being the City of London. For the security of that debt slaves were among the assets valued. To add to that is many owners had been imaginative both in their valuations and general financial arrangements. The abolition of slavery without compensation given the serious instability of finances etc. in this period would almost certainly have triggered serious problems in the City of London, already having difficulties. In effect the compensation was another means of indirect financial support for The City. In that the owners were often UK based landowners with a number in Parliament those voting for it were in effect voting to support themselves.

    • Molloy


      Dem — Yes, all, the whole lot of them (dealers in blood and murder) bent as nine bob notes.

      Land reparation must also include tracing criminal proceeds of slavery (surrounded by it in Liverpool and Bristol).
      The cash that paid for the land; and the cash that bought the complicit bank, and anything else the cash went into. All. To be handed over.
      And proper compensation paid to all victims/representatives.

      Compound interest and penalties to be levied from all complicit and all direct and indirect beneficiaries.
      Including descendants of the corrupted politician facilitators of the time.

      Failure to hand over cash/assets = mandatory custodial sentence 10 years.

      Take them down.


  • Sharp Ears

    This is a message from Reprieve. No words.

    ‘Ali al-Nimr was just a child when he was arrested for the “crimes” of attending peaceful pro-democracy protests and explaining how to give first aid to protesters. He was then sentenced to death.

    In Saudi Arabia, once a death sentence is final, execution can come at any time, without warning. Families are often not even informed.

    Ali’s birthday is coming up on 21st December. Any day, including his birthday, may be his last.

    Will you take a moment to send a message of support to Ali, by signing our birthday card to him?

    Add your message →

    This is Ali’s fifth birthday on death row. Our work is to prevent the Saudi government from executing him, and every day is a small victory.

    Trapped on death row without friends and family, it can feel like the world has forgotten you. In dark times like these, messages of support can make a big difference.

    We want Ali and his family to know that his supporters around the world are thinking of him and continue to campaign to save his life.

    Thank you for your support.’

    I believe the executions are either beheadings or stonings. It is unbelievable that we are in cahoots with this evil regime purely for strategic reasons and the continuity and security of an oil supply.

  • MaryPau!

    I would like to ask a question, nothing to do with the posted topic, but I should like to canvass your opinions. As someone born and raised in England, I have been accustomed to think of the land of China, Japan and Korea as the Orient and their inhabitants as Oriental food. Chinese restaurants in the UK advertise Oriental Food. Recently I was describing someone I had seen to an American relative and, seeking an accurate description, said She looked Oriental. My American relative, who is from the North West coast but lives in New York city and is very “woke”, recoiled as if I had hit her. “You can’t say that” she gasped . “Why” I asked together with Mr.Paul. “it’s a term of facial abuse” she said. Mr Paul and I were astonished.We do t exactly lead shelteredlives,l ive in the city and are wel travelled. But apparently that is the case in North America.

    So can North America on friends tell me the acceptable generic terms for the following areas of regions of the world

    1.Pakistan Bangladesh and India/Sri Lanka
    2.Burma, Malaysia, Vietnam, Laos,Thailand, Indonesia, Phillipines
    3. China, Japan, Korea

    • MaryPau!

      sorry horrid typo has crept in it should of course always oriental not oriental food – a line git dropped somewhere. many many apologies.

      • MaryPau!

        oh dear the predictive text is getting me today it should say racial abuse not facial abuse. I am really not making a very good job of this. My PC is broken and I am using a tablet hence the high error rate.

        • Mistress Pliddy

          Your interlocutor is talking a load of codswallop and you can safely ignore her misguided directive. Hers is an example of the lack of nuance and the sort of inabililty to distinguish genuine concerns from spurious that has given rise to terms like “snowflake” and given “single-issue” a sense of “single-track”.

          • Mistress Pliddy

            By the way, geographically/geopolitically:
            1 – south Asia
            2 – southeast Asia
            3 – east Asia

            Generically, oriental is perfectly acceptable to refer to the eastern reaches of the map (as split conventionally at/near the International Date Line), just as occidental is to refer to the western reaches, boreal to the northern reaches and austral to the southern.

        • fwl

          That’s a shame I thought facial abuse was some new woken thing I hadn’t heard of.

          I suppose Oriental falls into the trap of sounding like the condemned Eurocentric Orientalist, but it is less clunky than Far Eastern and some from the Far East think that in the UK Asian designates the Indian Sub-continent and not them.

          Its how you use it. Whenever I hear a white English person saying Chinaman I nearly always think F off that’s is patronising racist rubbish, which is pretending not to be, akin to ” Ive got this little chap who does this or that for me” i.e. the speaker thinks he is on on the innocent side of the patronising border, but I think the speaker has crossed the border and shown his true face . Oriental is not so bad as that but it depends on context and who says it, to who and why. One can usually sense if its right or wrong, but if you say something which is potentially wrong and you are wrongly called out then if that gets repeated you are in trouble. I could go on but then this might turn into a Philip Roth length post.

        • uncle tungsten

          Well some well meaning lad in the USA referrs to all of those nations you listed as sh!thole countries as I recall. I don’t agree of course but your horrified associate has their head firmly up their

          I do love the typo though:- facial abuse that made me laugh.

          What next in this crazy world.

      • Molloy


        Mary — Perhaps reflect for a few moments on the (rather toxic and childlike?) process of drawing attention to human differences?

        What that conveys about the speaker or complainer.

        Whether that diminishes humankind in anyway at all?

        The potential lack of self-awareness?
        The hubris and overweening self-regard of one who imagines it is acceptable to ‘point the finger’.
        To comment on any kind of ‘otherness’.

        How all of this, simply, is Divisive.

        ¡No pasarán!


        • MaryPau!

          I was merely seeking to provide an accurate physical description of someone I had seen, who lived near my relative, as I wanted to describe those physical features which might help to identify her. Kf I was in an African country, it would be entirely understandable if someone described me as a short middle-aged white woman, in giving someone an outline description of me.

    • Jay

      It’s nearly the 2020s. ‘The Orient’ and ‘Oriental’ have not been in common usage on the west for at least a couple of generations. For confirmation just consult any atlas or any post-1930s study or article focusing on South, SE or East Asia.

    • King of Welsh Noir

      A generation ago it was customary in the UK to talk of Orientals, but that usage is now considered offensive. The preferred term is Asian, even though it is less precise and encompasses everything from India & Pakistan to Japan & Korea.

      • Kempe

        This is all news to me, plenty of universities still offering degrees in Oriental Studies and the first two hits I got for a Google search on Oriental were Chinese restaurants!

        To most people living in the UK an Asian is someone with their roots in the Indian sub-continent.

        Can we object if they refer to us as occidental?

        • King of Welsh Noir

          I know, these things creep up on you. It can be hard to keep up. You can still say oriental carpets, though, I think.

          Here’s what the Oxford dictionary group have to say about it:

          The term oriental has an out-of-date feel as a term denoting people from Asia; it tends to be associated with a rather offensive stereotype of the people and their customs as inscrutable and exotic. In US English Asian is the standard accepted term in modern use; in British English, where Asian tends to denote people from the Indian subcontinent, specific terms such as Chinese or Japanese are more likely to be used.

          • MaryPau!

            It is not always possible when you see someone at a distance, as I did, and briefly, to be certain if they are for example Chinese or Korean. What you can be certain of is that they have physical characteristics eg colouring, shape of eyes, physical build, most usually found in the region of the World known in the UK as the Orient. Oriental is used as an adjective and is still in widespread use in this context in the UK. Maybe it is different in the US and Oriental has always had a more restricted use there.

        • Makropulos

          I don’t think the word “occidental” has ever been in regular usage. Mention it and most would think you mean “accidental”.

      • giyane


        Nice photo. If you’re filling out an ethnicity form I think anything East of Bulgaria means Asian. White is an absolute absurdity because it refers to Europe and loads of Europeans are darker skinned than ‘Asians’.
        I was listening to Radio 4’s piece on White Power this afternoon. It stemmed from North American opposition to well everything, African Asian indigenous American at the time of the Vietnam War.

        Brexit is white power that is opposed to everything that isn’t contained inside the UK, starting with US food and going completely round the globe back to Calais. Apparently anything Viking is OK but anything South West of Exeter is definitely foreign.

        We laugh at Trump, but how did we ever get involved in this ridiculous populist racist Tory bandwagon?

      • MaryPau!

        I do not talk of Orientals (or Chinamen) in this case I was trying to provide a physical description of someone I saw only fleetingly by describing their physical characteristics. They appeared to be from the region I think of as The Orient. Calling it East Asia is not common in the UK. I was using Oriental in the way you might you say for example North African.

    • Mist001

      I live in France but am Scottish. Living in Scotland, I always considered the word ‘Oriental’ to mean the far East, China, Japan, those sort of places. Since living and learning in France, I’ve discovered that their meaning of ‘Oriental’ is what we call the Middle East, which kind of makes sense in the words of the Christmas song ‘We three kings of Orient are’.

    • Molloy


      SE —

      Ha ha, you know they’re a bunch of Naz$$i thugs! Not fit to lick boots of any mafioso.

      ¡No pasarán!


      • Paul Barbara

        @ Molloy December 5, 2018 at 15:12
        Not at all; they are all birds of a feather. The CIA and US Administrations co-opted the Mafia into all kinds of crimes; they were even used in WWII during the war (I don’t class those links as crimes), but have subsequently been used in drug importation, as hitmen, against Fidel Castro’s Cuba, in CIA-ordered terrorist attacks, even in the JFK assassination.
        And they were probably the ones who provided the poison in the Pope John Paul I assassination, which hugely pleased the CIA, enabling their choice, Karol Wojtyła, to replace him – far more malleable, anti-Communist. anti-Left Wing, and anti ‘Liberation Theology’.

    • Sharp Ears

      Three hours later they are still at it and just about to conclude. The coffin goes off to Texas now.

      Listening to the long sycophantic eulogies, one would think that the 41st President never ended the life of another human being nor indeed did his son, the 43rd President as he choked back a tear at the end of his tribute.

      Trump seemed to be nodding off at times as did Obomber. Melania was impassive throughout Clinton chatted to Michelle, ignoring Shillary. Carter looked geriatric. Pence was there as was Biden His Time with Jill. Also Al Gore I think.

      P Charles attended as did John Major. BLiar I think did not.

      • Ingwe

        We do; for all those who died as a result of his wars and aggression.
        Why does he deserve respect?

      • SA

        Stalin Genghis Khan and Pol Pot are all dead. Should being dead be a new criterion for respect whatever you did?

      • Molloy


        fwl —yeah, right. Respect. Like the Bush Naz$$is respected the living!!!

        What’s wrong with you?!


        • fwl

          ……we see things in two ways. Sometimes we look at a person and see a cynical snake. Someone else sees a joyful lover, and we’re both right. Everyone is half and half like the black and white ox. Joseph looked ugly to his brothers and most handsome to his father……

      • giyane

        I have respect for dead molluscs that have been disinterred to keep USUKIS lorries running.

      • Paul Barbara

        @ fwl December 5, 2018 at 18:09
        Absolutely, IF they deserve it. That evil SOB deserves hellfire, and I’m sure that’s exactly what he’ll get.

      • Deb O'Nair

        The Bush family were not only Nazi sympathisers but they were also outright financial supporters, and continued to do so until 1942. To get that in perspective, after Dunkirk and the Battle of Britain, and while Britain was enduring the Blitz the Bush family were pumping money to the German Nazis. GHW Bush was also a CIA point man in Dallas the day JFK was killed.

  • Molloy



    Land reparation must also include tracing criminal proceeds of slavery (surrounded by it in Liverpool and Bristol).
    The cash that paid for the land; and the cash that bought the complicit bank, and anything else the cash went into. All. To be handed over.
    And proper compensation paid to all victims/representatives.

    Compound interest and penalties to be levied from all complicit and all direct and indirect beneficiaries.
    Including descendants of the corrupted politician facilitators of the time.

    Failure to hand over cash/assets = mandatory custodial sentence 10 years.

    Take them down.

  • Sharp Ears

    Prof Tim Anderson has been suspended and banned from the University of Sydney.

    ‘Prof Tim Anderson (known for his academic writings/books on Syria
    “The Dirty War On Syria”, Israel, etc) says he has been suspended from his position as a senior lecturer and banned from entering the university. He has worked as an academic at this university for more than 20 years and is appealing the decision to a Review Committee.

    He said “This move is the culmination of a series of failed attempts by management to restrict my public comments. I have always rejected such censorship.”

    “The latest complaint concerns my advisory analysis of the Israeli attacks on Gaza.

    “Examine the graphic and decide for yourself whether or how this infographic might be ‘offensive’.” ‘

    More on this on TLN

    Q. Is Australia even more fascist than the UK?

    • Sharp Ears

      Cautoin Johnstone writes:

      December 5th 2018

      ‘MSM Is Getting Weirder, More Frantic, And More Desperate By The Day

      When even the Washington Post is saying your Russiagate article is bad journalism, your Russiagate article is really, really bad journalism.

      In an article titled “The Guardian offered a bombshell story about Paul Manafort. It still hasn’t detonated.”, WaPo writer Pul Farhi draws attention to the fact that it has been a week since the Guardian published a claim that former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort met repeatedly with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, without any evidence backing up the claim, using solely anonymous sources, and despite the claims contradicting known records of Assange’s guests at the Ecuadorian embassy. Criticism and demands for answers have been growing louder and louder from both friends and enemies of WikiLeaks, with new plot holes opening up in the Guardian’s narrative daily, and the scandal is now moving into mainstream awareness.’


      • Sharp Ears

        Caitlin Johnstone of course.
        Craig tweets:

        Craig Murray
        Dec 4
        It appears that @KathViner, having published the most blatant fabrication about Manafort visits to Assange, is content with the situation where her lies have seeped into public consciousness and has no intention of withdrawing nor of producing the non-existent “evidence”.

        Dec 4
        Indeed. Plus I have this really suspicious Russian hat. I reckon that’s the entire Mueller investigation sorted now. Quick call Ben Nimmo and the Integrity Initiative.

  • pete

    I saw this item in the news:
    Not exactly redistribution or restitution, but the article mentions “sweeping land reform by the Scottish government.” I was unaware of this move, can anyone clarify what this land reform change might mean?
    Although the islanders have bought the island how is this different from the other types of gentrification we seem to see so much of elsewhere? The cost of buying the island was £4.7 million, way beyond the means of most of us I imagine.

    • Vivian O'Blivion

      Link doesn’t work (subscription dependent).
      Land reform act (Scotland) 2003, gives provision for community buy out in certain circumstances.
      Crucially there is also a Land fund to assist in the purchase.

      Some purchases also crowd fund. Not exactly gentrification. Most of these communities are dirt poor by urban standards. Yes there are a lot of “white settlers” in the Highlands & Islands, but maintaining “racial purity” is an obnoxious argument and it’s good to see the population of the H & I’s start to grow after a century of decline.
      Incidentally, 2003 pre-dates the SNP administration. Hard to remember but there was a time when the leader of Scottish Labour was capable of being other than a low grade internet troll.

      • pete

        Re Vivian: Sorry the link didn’t work, the site allows you 4 visits per month, sometimes you have to click on a box somewhere to let you onto the page. Basically the story was about the islanders buying the isle from the owner in order to set up a little community. As I say this is not an option for me or many others.
        I should have done the search for this myself, but I was curious to get other views of this kind of action when I saw the original item, bearing in mind what Craig has said about land reform.
        The link you gave casts light on how this might have been achieved. I.E. tax the poor by luring them into a lottery, then take their saving by encouraging them to spend whatever they have by adding it to money they had already contributed to the lottery fund and then getting them to give the total to some rich git land owner to buy back something that should have been theirs in the first place. Just my opinion of course.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    The spectacular remembrance of ancient GHW Bush’s demise in Washington reminds me of those ones in Moscow for one of their communist cyphers.

    • Trowbridge H. Ford

      You would think that Pappy had been assassinated back during the 1980 ‘October surprise’ by Joihn Hinckely, Jr. which was only prevented by SS activity at the Gypper’s expense.

      Some screwball country.

    • Paul Greenwood

      Not quite clear why the US “needed” this. Reagan was somewhat different and had been a two-term President ending Cold War. Bush was always a bit of an also-ran with little popular credibility. Someone decided this was necessary for the Cheney-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz Nexus to reassert some influence.

      That the BBC slavishly replays the script shows how far in lockstep it is with the New Order

  • Republicofscotland

    Spain is coming under increasing pressure for holding in prison for over a year untried political prisoners, namely the Catalan politicians who held a democratic plebiscite.

    The Belgian Defence minister is the latest person to speak out about the holding of the prisoners for over a year without trial.

    The illegal detentions have also been condemned by the (IADL) the International Association of Democratic Lawyers.

  • Republicofscotland

    Meanwhile as wages have stagnated for over a decade and welfare payments haven’t risen inline with inflation also within that time frame.

    The Scrooges at the DWP have stopped paying the £10 Christmas bonus to those who have been forced onto Universal Credit.

    The Trussell Trust has said that hundreds of thousands of families, on low incomes or benefits and individuals rely on the bonus, especially at this time of year.

      • Ken Kenn

        Not according to May’s reply re: the UN visitor who’s just reported on his findings.

        May disagreed with evistor.

        She says ” What we actually see”

        Meaning she is calling him a liar.

        Corbyn should have replied that you don’t see anything from the back of a car and spouting forth in tin hut warehouses, so it’s not surprising that she “sees” nothing.

        The MSM are saying Corbyn missed an open goal today.

        He did not – Brexit will either make current austerity worse or terrible.

        There is more to life than Brexit as it is part of the whole economic/social discussion – not the whole.

        Corbyn was laying out his possible pre election stance as Laura and her well paid mates chew on the bones of rapidly decaying corpse of a government.

        May is not the Captain of the Titanic she is the Captain of the iceberg and is busy steering it into the British

        Expect an elections oon – but watch for the treachery of the Lib Dems.

        As usual the MSM are way behind the curve.

        Brexit’s over – as in No Deal or her deal.

        Next business.

        Applause to Ian Blackford for his clever attack on May.

        He said it twice and even the BBC had to show it.


        • Deb O'Nair

          ‘She says ” What we actually see”’

          What we actually see is a spiritually devoid human who repeats every soundbite put in front of her without question or curiosity, rendering her a sociopathic political monster.

    • uncle tungsten

      Thanks Dave but it appears the balance of your thesis was lost in the post. Would you mind expanding on the headline a little because regardless of Mr Murray’s state of mind there are many hear who do like a informed debate and would be happy to discuss.

  • Tony M

    £10 bonus was stopped a long time ago, back in 2008 for those then under 50 forced from Incapacity Benefit onto ESA

    • Republicofscotland

      So Labour in 2008 under Gordon Brown must’ve implemented the cut. Peter Hain was I think the DWP secretary at the time, unsurprisingly for Labour he’s now Lord Hain, living high on the hog in the HoL, subsidised to the hilt, and £300 quid a day better off thanks to the taxpayer.

      The now deceased Zimbabwean dictator Robert Mugabe, once called Peter Hain, Peter Tatchell’s wife, after Tatchill attempted a citizens arrest on Mugabe on a visit to Britain.

    • N_

      Who has the £10 been stopped for this year out of the people who received it – or were eligible for it – last year?

      The government list doesn’t include any of the 6 benefits that UC replaced, but perhaps last year the list was longer?

  • N_

    Did anyone else notice that today at Prime Minister’s Question Time Theresa May said she would support building a Holocaust “memorial and learning” centre right next to the Houses of Parliament, in Victoria Palace Gardens?

    Meanwhile the far right in Britain are ranting about want to free the country from “domination by the EU”.

    Will the building have a helipad? Will its leaders have immunity? What flag will it fly? Never mind that the US ambassador has a residence in Regent’s Park! Why not build Mark Regev a residence in St James’s Park?

    And all to commemorate the crimes committed mainly by Germans, mainly in Poland, 75 years ago.

    And always in terms that will be strictly required to promote the terrorist, ultra-racist gangster state of I__ael.

    “Memorial” means that those who run the centre must not be criticised, and that the building will in effect be extraterritorial.

    “Learning” means it will have a propaganda role. Woe betide any parliamentarian, civil servant or lobby journalist who doesn’t do his hardest to help, and without any funny look on his face either. Any funny looks on faces, or funny tones of voice, will be reported and swiftly acted on.

    • Sharp Ears

      It’s an initiative of Cameron and Pickles, the latter now ennobled by May. All CFoIs.

      Pickles and eight others –

      She would have done better to have kept the six of them who were MPs in the HoC.

      Have you seen the design of the memorial? It’s horrible. And how many others are there in this country and around the world.

      There is an anecdote about Pickles in today’s Times about Pickles having a bit of bother at Ben Gurion airport (previously known as Lodd prior to the Occupation). Some colleague told the immigration officer “That’s Pickles of course. Just give him a bun”.

      That can’t have gone down too well with Pickles, being an arch admirer and supporter of the little democracy and considering his vast size.

    • Deb O'Nair

      Perhaps the UK government could get some of the funding from the Bush family, as a form a reparation for financially supporting the Nazis up until 1942, and thereby being direct enablers of the mass murder they wish to commemorate.

  • Tony M

    Republicofscotland: I think it was Red Tory cnuts James Purnell & Gordon Brown’s doing, it (migration from IB to ESA) took until about 2010 to force everyone affected through new WCA process and ATOS terror.

    Sorry can’t post nested comments here, reply buttons don’t work (haven’t done for ages).

  • Tony M

    The only holocaust I recognise, of which there is no doubt, is of Germans, forced out of their homes by Poles in western Poland to ethnically cleanse newly-created Poland after Versailles, slaughtered from the east and from the west by allied armies, blown to bits and incinerated by allied bombing, displaced by the occupying Soviets to then shift Poland hundreds of miles westward, then after the war was over, worked and starved to death in Soviet Gulags, in French slave-camps and in Eisenhower’s post-war death-camps for prisoners of war. That is without even mentioning the starvation of the civilian population towards the end of and long after WW1.

    • Tatyana

      Tony M
      I’m russian and I recognise Holocaust in the sense which Israeli nationals put in the word, regarding Hitler’s politics.
      We still have alive memory about WWII in our country, lot of museums and memorials, many memoration events.

      Me personally, I tend to catch emotions in literature and films, and mostly (as a linguist) in folklore.

      Jewish national suffered awfully unfair attitude, humilation, distinction and it was “justified” due to their etnicity only, not regarding their political views or environment. It is fascism’s core – to think people are bad and deserve death because of the facts, that those people have no power to change. Like race, DNA, color of skin, place of birth and similar.

      • Tatyana

        To make my point clear – it relates to Holocaust, not to modern Israeli state or some of israely nationals. Like William Brouder boasting in his Twitter he is immune to Interpol system. I mean, Russia puts an enquiry in Interpol for Browder to be detained for financial and tax manipulations. Policemen of Spain just detained him and let him go.
        Or many Israeli nationals, moving russian money to London and begging for british passport.
        I condemn the attitude of Israely state towards Palestine.
        I hate US support for Israel, apologizijg and supportive to Israelian behavior.

        Most of all I hate when they “justify” all of said above by their suffering during WW II. Ha ha! Russians lost about 20 millions, and not asking for any preferences. Jewish lost about 4 millions, and are still crying and looking for profit.

        I’m sorry if I hurt someone’s feelings.

        • Tatyana

          Midnight in Russia, I’m going to sleep. To make my point more clear and to wish you good-night – here is russian folklore story for you 🙂

          Russian Ivan is in a heavy need for money, thus he goes to Moishe, the jewish moneylander.

          – hello, Moishe, I need money, can you borrow me 1 rouble for a month?
          – indeed, I can! But you will have to return 2 roubles in the time. Do this conditions suit you?
          – I have no choice, yes.
          – yet, you have to leave something as guarantee.
          – I’ve got nothing, but my ax.
          – it will do, and this is a deal. Congratulations! Here is you rouble!

          Ivan starts moving to exit with his 1 rouble, when Moishe suddenly says:
          – hey, Ivan, won’t it be hard for you to give me 2 roubles in one payment in a month?
          – I must admit, it is rather hard, I have to feed my children and I still owe you 2 roubles…
          – so…. here isd a profitable proposition just for you. You give me 1 rouble now, and it is much easier to give 1 rouble instead of 2, in a month?
          – good idea, here you are, – says Ivan and walks out of Moishe’s moneylander’s.

          Ivan goes along the street and thinks to himself:
          – I’ve got no money. I’ve got no ax. I still owe 1 rouble to Moishe. And everything is perfectly according to the law !

          * I have a feeling I’ve already translated this story for this blog. Sorry for repeated posting, if any.
          Good night!

          • giyane

            For all the mortgage payers whose entire subsistence goes to paying the interest to keep a roof over themselves and their children, Mrs May says “you’re all far better off than you ever have been”.
            That’s the kind of evil comment that has dispensed with the services of Tory predecessors at No 10. By the end of the week she’ll be gone.

        • Paul Greenwood

          The first man murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau was a 24-year old Captain in the Red Army

  • Ron Sizely

    The problem of confiscating land, unless you confiscate it all like Chairman Mao, is where you draw the line. If your neighbour has a bigger garden than you, will you chop a bit off? Surely the history of the landholding is relevant, and not just the size. If an English toff drove out Scots crofters and seized their land, that’s one thing. But if someone worked hard and earned money and acquired land and developed and improved it and helped the people who worked it, that’s quite another.

    • giyane

      Ron Sizely

      ” the people who worked it ” didn’t live on it any more. They lived in Northern Ireland.
      The point about compensation is that it’s impossible ever to repay it to the successors of the original owners of the land. For example, as a Muslim, I was not entitled to inherit any money from a will written by my non-Muslim parents. I can’t make amends for or pay back any damages for anything they in their ignorance may have done. But I cannot benefit from their wealth in the form of a legacy.

      Nobody can afford to pay compensation for the injustices of the past. The heirs of the oppressors should be deprived of the wealth amassed by oppression. They are not responsible for the oppression themselves because they didn’t do it, their forebears did it. As Craig says, it is sufficient as a redress for wrongs later realised to have been done, for the heirs to wash their hands of the wealth illegally gained as a recognition of the oppression done by and to previous generations.

  • Tony M

    Tatyana: “I’m sorry if I hurt someone’s feelings.Tatyana”

    You haven’t, I doubt you ever could, though some might sometimes deserve it. Your feelings and thoughts, your insights shared with us are a breath of fresh air, enlightening and delightful, they surely come from the heart as well as from a brain of the first order. Change nothing, good luck.

  • Paul Barbara

    This is O/T, but very important.
    Whilst those figures are for the States, we in the UK are supposedly spared GMO foods, but I’m sure some do get in.
    But whether they do or don’t, we are certainly exposed to GMO’s insofar as cattle and other animals are very widely fed GMO feed, perfectly legally. And we get Glyphosate residues in all bread (except Organic), in beers (it is sprayed on Barley) and other products, apart from being exposed to it’s use on gardens and by councils to kill weeds, with the spray drifting in the wind.

    • Molloy


      Paul — Great post. Thank you from those not watching ‘Strictly’!

      Mr & Mrs Toxic May are not too bothered at all so long as the year on year Agri-Pharma dividends continue rising and popping into the offshore account.

      Real poison versus Salisbury fake (arms dealer support) poison. Hey ho!

      Nasty chemicals. Maybe why Racist$Treeze had no children? Who knows?

      ¡No pasarán!

      • Molloy


        Poison/autism. . . .

        “As crude a weapon as the cave man’s club, the chemical barrage has been hurled against the fabric of life – a fabric on the one hand delicate and destructible, on the other miraculously tough and resilient, and capable of striking back in unexpected ways.” Rachel Carson



  • Peter Grafström

    What about those who are so wealthy it isnt even known what they own.
    Complete openness about who owns what or else confiscation makes sense.
    No secrecy means all intricate layered owner structure would have to be made transparent for the common people.

    • Molloy


      Peter — An oversight?

      re “common people.” ?

      Really?! Who decides who is not common? If the soi-disant ‘elite’ are feckin$shites then please say so.

      Simply, humans are humans.


  • N_

    ON-TOPIC for this thread (!):

    when the British state paid compensation to slaveowners in the 1830s upon the abolition of slavery, much of the money came from the Rothschilds, to be paid back by the state over a period of time at lovely juicy interest.

    I actually guessed that might have happened, because it would be very much in the Rothschilds’ style. I checked 10 minutes ago and learnt I was right.

    There’s a moral here regarding Brexit.

    Meanwhile, on Irish history: part of the settlement when the Free State was created was an agreement that redemption payments would be made to landowners who had lost their land. These payments would have been paid for 50 years, all the way up to 1971. They got paid off earlier though. If memory serves, the Rothschilds lent the money to the Irish government to pay them all off in 1936. I don’t know over what period of time the Irish government then repaid its debt to the Rothschilds.

    • N_

      And another similar piece of information concerning Norway…

      During WW2, about 10% of the labour force in Norway was slave labour, including many Yugoslavs who were forced to work for projects run by the German “Todt” organisation. (The same slaver organisation built the autobahns before the war. If anyone can comment on the its symbol, please do!) And yes, Fritz Todt was close to the Steinerite scum.

      Anyway…after WW2 compensation was paid in Norway…to the employers who had been “obliged” to have these unfortunate slaves working for them. So the bastards profited from slavery twice! Who lent the post-war government the money to pay the compensation? I don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was the Hambro family.

      • Paul Greenwood

        So. The US Government paid compensation to ITT Corporation for damage to its Focke Wulf factories and Ford and GM were compensated for damage to their automotive plants in Germany. At the same time >1 million German POWs were being used as Slave Labour in France, UK and Netherlands.

        In WW1 Vickers kept an account into which it paid Patent Royalties to Krupp for the fuses used in British shells. ICI was formed in 1926 so the Uk did not need to import dyestuffs from I G Farben

        • N_

          Let’s not lose sight of the Rothschild grip over the British state. Having first financed the slave trade (source: they admit it), the Rothschilds made huge amounts out of the “redemption” (source). The payments in 1833 amounted to 40% of the British state’s budget, equivalent to £300bn today. The government basically put a big stamp saying “ROTHSCHILDS” on nearly half of its budget and paid the Rothschild family interest on it. Out-payments of compensation for slaveowners who had “lost” their slaves ENDED IN 2015. (Source: a Freedom of Information Act request managed to extract this information.)

          The Waterloo story about the Rothschilds is now denied, labelled a “libel” that is “anti-Semitic” (source).

  • Bono's tax silk

    Mcdonnell intends to raise inheritance tax to 70% on any estate over 5m, to include avoidance trusts, in calculating the taxable pot. Whilst the 99% should be well pleased, its the 1% camerons, greens,sugars and hodges who are desperately trying to prevent Jesus4 Corbyn from 10 Downing. Treeza is already campaigning for the inevitable GE and it will be interesting to see what “winston silcott 2.0” tactic will be concocted to get the 99% to vote for her.

    • Molloy



      re ““winston silcott 2.0” tactic”

      Opaque? Please expand.

      Is this an attempt to divert attention to racism/corruption . . . .away from privilege/unfairness/greed?

      Illuminate us lesser mortals.


      • Molloy


        e.g. Manchester atrocity? Salisbury fake poison? Cuddly Zio-Naz$ism or other ‘Silcottism”?

        Expand a little if you can please.


  • Andyoldlabour

    There are quite a few Scottish people commenting on this site, and many support Scottish nationalism and independence. I have no problem with that, and although I would rather that Scotland stay part of the UK, if the Scottish people wish to have another referendum and decided to leave, then so be it, that is their right to decide.
    So, having got that out of the way, why is UK independence seen as a bad thing and described as “far right”, “xenophobic” etc?
    I have also seen a very strange thing happen, where people who hate the Tories (I am one of them), then display views which are very pro EU (which I am not), when in reality it is the EU which is dictating the very policies – austerity for instance, which hits the poorest in society and leaves the ruling elite comfortable.
    The following examples are undeniable – Greece, Italy, UK, Belgium and now France, where Macron who has temporarily climbed down on the tax issues, will probably be forced by the EU to reinstate those taxes in order to produce a budget which is acceptable to the EU.

    • Molloy


      Andy — Understandable.

      For clarity. Three words. Read. Chomsky. Deliberate.



      • Andyoldlabour


        Yes, I totally agree with much of what Chomsky says about the EU, that it is the rise of Neo Liberalism which has been the catalyst now for the rise of so called “far right” groups. He also states that the EU is authoritarian and that it controls the budgets of many/all countries within the EU.
        There is also a major problem with the single currency – the Euro, which exists across this vast area without any controls in place, and totally ignores the disparities between GDP, GNP peverty etc.
        He also says that there is no way an EU country can really act independently in its own interests, which is true, and that the EU is primarily controlled by unelected politicians.
        How on earth is a tiny country such as Luxembourg so influential in the EU, and how has it supplied three (including Junckers) EU presidents?
        I really suspect that Angela Merkel will be put forward as his successor.
        The IMF have said in 2008 that the austerity measures imposed on the people make no sense whatsoever, and would inevitably lead to civil uinrest – fast forward ten years and they certainly were not wrong.
        What do the MEP’s really do?
        They have a salary of around £78K a year, and can claim around £36K for expenses – office rent etc
        The people who run the EU – Juncker, Tusk, Barnier, Merkel and now Macron are all cut from the same piece of cloth, incredibly wealthy people who are supping from the trough.


  • Sharp Ears

    A reminder of the Register of Interests of the Attorney General, Geoffrey Cox, Con MP, Torridge and W Devon

    ‘Charles Geoffrey Cox QC MP[1] (born 30 April 1960) is a British politician and barrister. He has been the Conservative Party Member of Parliament (MP) for the constituency of Torridge and West Devon since 2005. He worked as a barrister from 1982 onwards and was appointed a Queen’s Counsel in 2003. On 9 July 2018, he was appointed Attorney General and gave up private practice; prior to this he had been the highest earning MP in the UK.’

    1 Early life
    2 Legal career
    3 Parliamentary career
    3.1 Attorney General
    4 Tax avoidance allegations
    5 Outside work whilst employed as an MP
    6 Personal life
    7 References
    8 External links

    On his opinion, much depends.

    • Molloy

      SE —

      Of course. Co$x QC. His selfless opinion. The opinion of self-entitlement and privilege. En clair.

      A man for the 99%. Hmmm. . . . .


    • Molloy


      SE — Thank you.

      Viner is paid by es$tablishment to lie to the public.

      For me, twatzer mostly smoke and deliberate distraction. But you know this already!



  • Sharp Ears

    Now, now Trump and Mattis. Keep out of it.

    US Navy sends ship to Russia’s Far East, reportedly prepares to enter Black Sea

    An American destroyer sailed off the Russian coast, near the Pacific Fleet base in Vladivostok, in a first such stunt since the Cold War. Another US ship is expected in the Black Sea soon, amid tensions between Russia and Ukraine.

    The USS MCCampbell (DDG-85) went into the vicinity of Peter the Great Bay to “challenge Russia’s excessive maritime claims and uphold the rights, freedoms, and lawful uses of the sea” enjoyed by the US and others, Lieutenant Rachel McMarr, a spokesperson for the US Pacific Fleet, said in a statement.

    The US Navy calls such stunts “Freedom of Navigation Operations” (FONOP). The last time a FONOP was conducted in this area was 1987, at the peak of Cold War tensions with the Soviet Union.

    Loaded up with Tomahawk missiles and anti-submarine missiles.

    • Molloy


      Levity? SE?

      Rational humans would see crimes of aggression. Would they not?

      ¡No pasarán!


    • Tatyana

      Khm khm… no, I just cannot help it ! Ha ha ha ha :-))))) Brave warriors they are!

      “”If the crew of an American destroyer has” demonstrated “anything, then this is his unsuccessful attempt to get away at maximum speed from the Pacific Fleet escorting him.
      Currently, the US Navy’s McCampbell US destroyer’s crew “demonstrates” its courage more than 400 kilometers away from the territorial waters of the Russian Federation in the central part of the Sea of Japan, ” said Defense Minister spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov.

      The destroyer of the US Navy proceeded under the control of a large anti-submarine ship “Admiral Tributs” and naval aircraft, the Defense Ministry said.
      The ministry emphasized that the destroyer did not come closer then 100 kilometers to the Russian territorial waters.

    • Paul Greenwood

      So they used to have US submarines trying to enter Soviet submarine pens or trying to splice into cables. The fact is US and Russia and China are at war. Recognise it and stop pretending otherwise.

      UK is at war with Russia. There is no way there will ever be another De-Nuclearisation Treaty without UK and France agreeing to disarm. Gorbachev was a one-off and the “window” he created was abused by both EU obsessed with Monetary Union and by USA.

      There will never again be such an era. Gorbachev believed The West was hostile to Communism but in fact it is devoted to Imperialism and cannot accent any resistance.

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