Nationalisation Without Compensation 1600


When slavery was abolished in the British Empire, taxpayers paid huge sums in compensation to slave owners for the loss of their “property”. No compensation was ever paid to the slaves for the loss of their freedom.

The problem with that approach is, of course, that the state did not take into account that the “property” of which it was relieving the landowners was acquired as part of an inhuman and immoral situation.

I was considering the same question in relation to the constitutional moves of South Africa to redistribute land without compensation. It seems to me this is plainly morally justified. The only question marks I can see are of practicality, in terms of making sure those taking over the land are trained to keep it properly in production, and that redistribution is not corrupt. Those are not insuperable problems, and I support the South African government in its endeavours.

But I wish to apply the same principle, of the state acting to right historic injustice on behalf of the people, much more widely and in the UK.

I apply precisely the same argument to the great landed estates, particularly but not only in Scotland. I believe the fundamental answer to land reform is confiscation by the state of large estates, and that social justice can never be redressed by the taxpayer simply handing over money to the ultra-wealthy. We have already been doing far too much of that through the bankers’ bailouts.

I have no moral qualms at all about simply taking back the land, whether it be from the Dukes of Sutherland, Buccleuch and Atholl, from a Dutch businessman or from a sheikh. In England the Grosvenor estate, the lands of the Duchy of Cornwall, and similar holdings could be confiscated. I do not see this as harm to the “owners”. Let them work for a living, or try their luck with the benefits claim system. Residential properties in large estates might become council homes, while tenants of commercial properties might pay rents to the council rather than to the Duke of Westminster, and the council use a large portion of that money for homebuilding.

Agricultural land from vast estates might perhaps best be given to the tenant farmers who have rented it. In the Highland glens, there are vast tracts which were once cattle rearing and arable. We have been lied to for generations that these are only fit for moorland for grouse and deer hunting – despite the fact that they are studded with the croft foundations of the cleared populations they once supported, who reared cattle and grew crops. These unfarmed lands should be given free to communities to develop; with assistance for the expensive task of bringing them back into production. That assistance would be a better use of state money than paying “compensation” to the ultra-wealthy.

But it is not only land. I favour nationalisation without compensation of all PFI projects, and of all railways and utilities. The owners have milked the public and the taxpayer far too long. Any business investment carries risk, including political risk. If you misjudge the political risk, your business fails. These businesses have made a misjudgement of political risk in the view they could profiteer, that it is possible to rip off the people forever without blowback. That is a business miscalculation, and such businesses deserve to fail.

The Labour Party’s renationalisation proposals have been carefully calculated within the existing framework of “legitimate” property rights. Therefore John McDonnell has framed rail nationalisation in terms of the expiration of franchises, and talked of PFI projects in terms of buyouts. I reject this approach in favour of the more radical approach of confiscation.

Yes, I realise that some percentage of the investments removed will belong to pension funds and insurance companies and even foreign states, and to small investors. Still more will belong to hedge funds and plutocrats, and the stake of ordinary people in wealth through pension funds had been – deliberately – tumbling for two decades. The less wealthy individuals with a stake in pension funds will lose a little, but gain from the wider public good, and for them there might be a compensation mechanism.

I also realise the markets will not like confiscation, and there will be an increase in bond yields; but this will pass. There is no measure to redress social injustice the markets will like. The City of London is our enemy and will naturally attempt to resist or punish any attack on its continued ability to be the conduit for the hoovering dry of the national wealth.

The fact is, that the extreme injustice and inequalities of society have now become so very glaring that there is no way to make any impression on wealth disparity without changes that may be rightly considered revolutionary. Either we are content to live in a society where the wealthiest one per cent will within two decades own ninety per cent of all wealth in the UK and the rest of us be helots, or we make changes to the fabric of the economy and government which are truly radical.

The economic system has tilted beyond correction by tinkering.

What is immorally owned ought not to be compensated on expropriation by the community.

As with the owners of slaves, the owners of “property” would be likely to attempt to defend their riches through the courts. This is where the doctrine of the sovereignty of parliament might for once be put to good rather than evil use, in passing law making such state confiscation unequivocally legal. Both the UK and Scotland appear set for at least a period outside the EU; I cannot think of a better use for any window of legal autonomy.

I am fully aware that I am proposing very radical measures very unlikely to be adopted by the current political Establishment. But the most telling fact of recent western society, itself a natural and predictable result of that galloping wealth inequality, is that the political Establishment has its coat on a very shoogly peg.


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  • Sharp Ears

    @CraigMurrayOrg
    12 hours ago
    Stunning. Lead item on BBC 10 o’Clock News is not “news” at all but undisguised propaganda for May’s “deal”. The opening words are “The government is warning that”, followed by the spiel. The second “news item” is Tory ministers going round the country. Just like Uzbekistan TV.
    ____

    Here it is from last night. Ms Bruce/Mrs Sharrocks to the fore. Jolly hockey sticks. Tories rule OK. Aided by the odious Pienaar.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bt6xj6/bbc-news-at-ten-07122018https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bt6xj6/bbc-news-at-ten-07122018

    My digging on Bruce earlier. Doing very nicely from the licence fee payers.
    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/12/nationalisation-without-compensation/comment-page-8/#comment-807912

    • N_

      Theresa May’s statement that “uncharted waters” will be entered if MPs vote down her proposed “deal” means “Vote Remain”. Got to to wonder why anybody would support a prime minister who goes all “Frank Spencer” at the prospect that something that may or may not happen might actually happen – especially when it’s pretty clear it will happen. If she hasn’t planned for what will be done if it happens, she should get the f*ck out of office. Apparently the government are saying too that it will take six months to get Dover running properly if Brexit goes ahead. And oh dear, Brexit day is in three and a half months’ time. Whoopsadaisy! Seriously who would give such a person as Theresa May a job that involves a lot of responsibility? I realise of course she only says what she’s told, but she is making a pathetic spectacle of her incompetence.

      While SOME of the “establishment” is clearly backing Remain, or wishes to be seen in certain markets as backing Remain, that is by NO MEANS the whole story. Much of the “establishment” is as thick as shit and does and thinks whatever it’s told, so long as the proletariat doesn’t invade their gardens. A lot of money is made out of upheavals. The way things are going, it will suit practically the entire ruling class for some kind of emotionally and physically powerful breakdowns to occur, of what most people until now have more or less taken for granted. Such as in the food supply. Or the painkiller supply. What will all the phone pickers do when they can’t charge their batteries? Without a mains supply, their phones will become like the million-deutschmark notes people lit fires with in Germany in 1923. Except that you can’t even light fires with them. Maybe they can be used as doorstoppers once they’ve been hit with a hammer and flattened at one end.

      How will the Tommy Robinson “Real Leave” event go in London today? Most importantly, how will it be reported?

  • Sharp Ears

    Hansard – Thursday
    Boris Johnson (Uxbridge and South Ruislip) (Con)
    On a point of order, Mr Speaker. You will be aware that the Committee on Standards has today published a report on nine payments, mainly unexpected foreign royalties, which I am very sorry to say were recorded late on the Register of Members’ Financial Interests. I fully accept that the delay was a breach of the House’s rules and, though I am grateful to the Committee for recognising that there was no intention to mislead the House and that I have been completely transparent, I therefore offer the House a full and unreserved apology.

    Mr Speaker
    I am very grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for what he has said, and for the way in which he has said it. He has been very prompt, and that is appreciated. We will leave the matter there.

    Johnson’s extensive Register of Interests https://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=10999
    Staggering amounts of royalties. e.g. £14,000 from the head choppers to visit them. £94k to speak in New York, £16k to pick up the Irving Kristol ward in New York from the American Enterprise Institute, £50k from a donor for his office costs and on and on. His income is probably into £millions over the years he has been in the HoC. 2001-2008 Henley. 2015-date Uxbridge and S Ruislip. He also receives £275kpa from the Barclay Brothers/Torygraph.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/31/boris-johnson-accepted-expenses-paid-trip-to-saudi-arabia

    He is being puffed up by the Express et al.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1055972/brexit-news-theresa-may-brexit-deal-boris-johnson-parliament-meaningful-vote

    Yet Marr has him on tomorrow.

    • Molloy

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      SE —magnifico.

      re “Boris Johnson (Uxbridge and South Ruislip) (Con)”

      Summarised! Bent Bent Bent and more Bent. Continuing.

      ¡No pasarán!

      .

    • Sharp Ears

      His sister, Rachel Sabiha* Johnson, is a director of two companies.

      Bright Blue Campaign with 6 fellow directors including d’Ancona and Mabey.
      https://companycheck.co.uk/company/07940506/BRIGHT-BLUE-CAMPAIGN/companies-house-data

      and her own for publishing receipts and the like, presumably.
      https://companycheck.co.uk/director/917392779/MISS-RACHEL-SABIHA-JOHNSON/summary

      Bright Blue is a Tory concept – an independent think tank and pressure group for liberal conservatism!
      https://brightblue.org.uk/about/

      Their partners https://brightblue.org.uk/membership/our-partners/ Price Waterhouse Cooper are on there needless to say.

      * An Arabic name apparently.

      • N_

        Talking of siblings, Amber Rudd’s brother Roland is trousering lots of dosh helping the People’s Vote campaign. I wouldn’t be surprised if Amber becomes PM.

    • tony_0pmoc

      Sharp Ears – As ever – you are really on the ball, but so much – you make me smile. Massive Respect. Thank You. My wife has actually met him. It was not intentional.

      I saw Harold Wilson speak, when I was 12 years old. It was intentional. A few years later in 1970, Michael Meacher became our MP. Still not convinced he wasn’t bumped off, though its entirely possible his was a natural death. He did however, say some rather strong things.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Meacher

      Tony

    • Deb O'Nair

      BJ “I am very sorry to say were recorded late on the Register of Members’ Financial Interests. I fully accept that the delay was a breach of the House’s rules.”

      JB “He has been very prompt, and that is appreciated. ”

      However the point is that he hadn’t been prompt. If had been prompt he wouldn’t have had to make a grovelling admission. It’s a bit like a thief in court admitting he has stolen something and the judge praises his honesty for admitting to it and dismisses the case.

  • Sarge

    laguerre
    December 7, 2018 at 17:31
    Personally, I think the crisis is past its peak in France. Not many are going to come out to demonstrate alongside the thousand or so violent hard-right casseurs who did all the damage last Saturday. Listening to French TV today, I heard quite a few reservations from mainstream gilets jaunes. Of course Macron has to put a lot of force on the streets, to prevent things getting out of hand. But I suspect they won’t be needed.

    Voice of the 18%?

      • Ian

        Ha, the armchair general speaks. You’ll be there tomorrow then, keen on violence as you are to prove your credentials. Will you be on the right or the left?

        • Ian

          “nobody in 68 made death threats against those who want to talk. This is the power of force. All those on the left thinking this is a leftwing revolution are wrong: it’s veering to the right. To hear that gilets jaunes who want to negotiate are receiving death threats is evidence of this authoritarian right.

          “I hear people from la France Insoumise (hard left), talking about this being a great people’s revolt and how the people are speaking, but these are the same ordinary people who pushed Trump into power.

          “We saw in Germany in 1933 what ‘ordinary’ people did. Not all ordinary people are good … it’s not an accident that this movement has proposed General de Villiers as an alternative leader.”

          Daniel Cohn-Bendit

    • Vivian O'Blivion

      POTUS has Tweeted this morning that the “Yellow vests” are chanting “We want Trump”. The meme is being pushed by various far right web sites and Rush Limbaugh. The claim is apparently not accurate.

      https://factcheck.afp.com/no-french-protesters-are-not-chanting-we-want-trump

      The origin appears to be footage of a supporter of far right, anti-Islamist, professional (very lucratively so) activist “Tommy Robinson” on a London demo earlier this year. London, Paris ah what’s the difference?

    • Laguerre

      That’s right, less than last week, fewer demonstrators, less violence, more flics. I’m watching and listening to them out the window and in the street, + TV live. The flics have been using kettling tactics like the plods in London. There are two distinct groups, those who are complaining about decline in living standards, who are of all ages and sexes, and les casseurs, the breakers, young violent men who don’t seem to have much relationship to the others, but violence is their aim.

  • Col

    These are all very well Craig, until someone decides he would quite like your house, your car, your library of books, your royalties, your pension. And then why should anyone care?

    • Molloy

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      Col —

      Sorry, that’s the usual deliberate neo-$lib innuendo fake hand-wringing. Feel sorry for the aggressor.

      Am sure, I think, this not deliberate on your part.

      ¡No pasarán!

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  • Sharp Ears

    RT are saying that rubber bullets are being used in Paris.

    Sounds like the IDF in the West Bank.

    • Laguerre

      That’s not correct. Some of the flics are using flash-balls (wiki), which have been described as similar to rubber bullets, but aren’t because they use a special short launcher, rather than a conventional gun (so a lower speed, as less acceleration in the barrel).

      The IDF rubber bullets aren’t rubber bullets either. They’re metal bullets with a thin covering of rubber to conceal their real character. The IDF ones kill.

      I don’t think the flics should have used them either, nevertheless.

      • Sharp Ears

        I know that the IDF”s version is misnamed ‘rubber bullet’. Several Palestinians have been killed by them and activists have lost eyes.
        A Parisian protester displayed the wound on his back from a ‘rubber bullet’. It looked pretty nasty to me.

        (Ch 4 News just now).

        Micron yet again has failed to speak to the people.
        ____
        Using Israeli data, study finds rubber bullets cause significant fatalities
        Researchers who looked at reports from several countries find weapons cause deaths in 3% of cases, permanent disabilities in 15%
        19 December 2017

        Illustrative: Border Police officers take aim at Palestinian rioters during clashes near the West Bank Qalandiya checkpoint, on the outskirts of Ramallah, on December 15, 2017.

        About three in every 100 people injured by rubber bullets died as a result, according to a review of recorded casualties published Tuesday, calling for alternative crowd control measures.
        /..
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/using-israeli-data-study-finds-rubber-bullets-cause-significant-fatalities/

  • Sharp Ears

    Agent Cameron became the leader of the Tory party on 6th December 2005 in a runoff against Davis. Fox and Clarke were eliminated earlier.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election

    He told the party to stop ‘ banging on about Europe’. Perhaps he thought the referendum he called in 2016 would settle things expecting a majority Remain vote. Wrong.

    ‘Cameron struggles to prevent Tories ‘banging on about Europe’
    May 13, 2013
    David Cameron delivered a sobering lecture to the Tory conference in 2006 on why the party kept losing elections. “Instead of talking about the things that most people care about, we talked about what we cared about most,” he said.

    While parents worried about childcare, getting the kids to school, balancing work and family life, we were banging on about Europe.”

    Mr Cameron might have guessed that his strictures would go unheeded. Since the mid-1980s the Conservative party has been in a state of fever over Europe, a condition that flares up on a regular basis.’

    https://www.ft.com/content/75f0ea96-bbc3-11e2-a4b4-00144feab7de

  • Republicofscotland

    Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer is the new face of the CDU, replacing Angela Merkel.

    Although she’s an ally of Merkel’s, she also has her own idea’s, although they’re not popular with everyone. She supported Merkel’s position on refugees, but criticised the German supported Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline that would see more gas from Russia flow to Germany.

    She also wants to see a return of the top rate tax of 53% in Germany, blaming Merkel’s predecessor Gerhard Schröder for its reduction.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annegret_Kramp-Karrenbauer

    • Trowbridge H. Ford

      She also doesn’t apparently have the baggage of having been a former Stasi and KGB spy like Merkel, aka ANITA.

        • Trowbridge H. Ford

          But Angela does speak German, having caught her husband to be Herr Sauer playing Romeo too much, and not doing enough good spy work in the former West Germany..

          • Republicofscotland

            Trowbridge I didn’t say German nor Merkel, I said Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer doesnt speak Russian.

          • Trowbridge H. Ford

            Just the usual quibble over a confusion to not talk about who Angela Merkel really is, and what she has wrought despite Helmut Kohl’s efforts. You didn’t clarify that you were referring to Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer. I don’t even know if Angela speaks Russian.

    • Paul Greenwood

      Great – the difference between 45% tax rate and 53% is simply greater tax write-offs. This really is farcical since Employees pay any increase in Health Insurance but Employer Share is capped. Over 57% retail electricity prices are tax levies. There is VAT on prescription medicines.

      Karrenbauer thinks she can pander to the Americans by attacking Nordstream II but cannot. Germany has Take or Pay Contracts. Gas prices have jumped 40% in Germany and ONLY the Russian pipeline prices are unchanged. Let Karrenbauer destroy the CDU – it is head for a split. Noone can afford energy in Germany even though households are used to subsidise industry.

      Merkel has damned the CDU to implosion since Merkel relies on voters >60 to stay afloat. Her party CDU is geriatric – you should go to some of their meetings !!! It is rents, GEZ, energy costs, diesel disaster, Big Auto, EU, 1.5 million Illegals, infrastructure, railways, schools – that is bringing everything to the boil

    • Mary Paul

      A large percentage of the Bulgarians have been coming into the UK register as self employed as this gets round a number of the regulations, in the UK at least, which require you to be registered and looking for work. My sister, who is a keen Remainer, pointed out to me that we have allowed in too many people by not correctly checking their eligibility on entry. I agreed with that but when I said that we could then deport them after three months if they were unemployed she said no she would not do that. Once they have arrived legitimately they should be allowed to stay regardless if they had a job.

      My son meanwhile pointed out that there are as many migrants now arriving from the sub-continent as from the EU. He said he had to pay £2000 for his wife (who is from the Commonwealth) to be allowed to remain in this country. Does this also apply to all the Pakistani nationality wives who marry UK citizens? I ask because I am not convinced their husbands all have £2000 to pay this charge. What happens if they arrive, get pregnant and then cannot meet the financial requirements for residence?

      • SA

        Mary, you state
        “A large percentage of the Bulgarians have been coming into the UK register as self employed …”
        But you mention this in passing as a sort of natural unfortunate happening.
        But the real issue behind all of this is much more tragic for Bulgaria and Romania and other ex soviet bloc countries as a deliberate western policy to surround Russia with NATO. The consequences for Bulgaria and other countries have been disastrous. Village abandoned, traditional farming and skills are lost, the country is being slowly depopulated whilst the Bulgarian economic immigrants encouraged to seek a better life are enticed to move to the glittering life in the West only to find that it is not that simple. But for us in the privileged west that is all about our own by now parochial brexiteering.

        • MaryPau!

          Actually I entirely agree with you and often argue with my sister and my son, both dedicated full-on Remainders, about the devestating impact on the ,countries left behind, of so many leaving to find work abroad. Both my sister (an old school socialist ) and my son (a neo-iberal capitalist)0 prize Freedom of Movement almost above everything else. They want essentially for Europe in future to become one vast single country with regions, over which the population roams, settling where work is available. Aside from a few French academics, I have not met a single Remainer who gives any thought to the impact in the countries left behind of so much migration to Western Europe.

          • SA

            People do not seem to distinguish between the right and the wrong sort of Europe, the same with globalism. In both cases the difference is clearly who is in the driver’s seat and which direction they are taking, hence the apparent concordance in what your son and sister think despite their different political outlook.

        • Paul Greenwood

          There is a huge shortage of doctors in those countries now they have decamped. The EU has simply sucked all the educated middle class professionals from the eastern borderlands to the western coastlines leaving behind peasant populations in destitution. It is simply Colonialism

          • SA

            One of the effects of Brexit is to reduce this brain drain, at least to Britain. The nhs so depends on overseas trained doctors and those from the EU came in droves especially from countries like Greece and Italy, less so from ex soviet bloc countries. It is cheaper to poach doctors trained elsewhere than to train our own.

  • Republicofscotland

    So the not so Priti Patel has suggested Britain use the threat of food shortages in Ireland to get a better deal with the EU.

    Doesn’t Potty Patel know that Britain starved the people of Ireland once before. Now Pathetic Patel has hinted that Britain could do it again, mind you Churchill had no qualms about letting Indian folk starve.

    Meanwhile John McDonnell has sauntered up to Scotland for a two day visit, to chinwag with the branch manager Richard Leonard.

    McDonnell and his gaffer Corbyn are playing the old double act at the moment, one saying they’d consider granting a Section 30 Order to Scotland if they form a government, the other denying it completely.

    Its the easiest thing in the world to offer this or that, or pie in the sky to the electorate when you’re not in power. But then again Labour has been promising to reform the HoL since Methuselah was a wee lad.

    • Deb O'Nair

      Priti Patel is a traitor caught red handed breaking the ministerial code while working directly for the interests of a foreign power.

    • Paul Greenwood

      Churchill followed advice of Lord Cherwell to shift merchant fleets from Australia supplying India to supplying UK instead

  • Republicofscotland

    Meanwhile as the Scottish government has already forked out £60 million pounds this year alone to negate the nasty Tory Bedroom tax policy.

    The Stasi at the Home Office has kiboshed the Scottish governments plan to pay the £65 pounds settled status fee for European citizens working in Scotland.

    Nasty Tory policies have already caused a drop in EU nurses in Scotland said the Scottish government, with fewer wanting to come to isolationist Britain.

    The FM Nicola Sturgeon is trying to protect them from Whitehall’s xenophobic policies, and keep them in work in hospitals and schools etc, where they do a good job.

    The reality is that the Home Office is a hostile body towards Scotland’s ambitions on population growth.

  • Sharp Ears

    Yet again, another company to whom the government have outsourced contracts, is in financial trouble. Interserve has debts of £500m.

    ‘Interserve, which works in prisons, schools, hospitals and on the roads, said it might look for new investment or sell off part of the business.

    Workers at the Foreign Office and the NHS are among Interserve’s tens of thousands of UK employees.:

    BBC News – Interserve: Major government contractor ‘seeks second rescue deal’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46494465

  • Molloy

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    Robert the Bruce: Lands, titles, men, power, nothing.

    Robert’s Father: Nothing?

    Robert the Bruce: I have nothing. Men fight for me because if they do not, I throw them off my land and I starve their wives and their children. Those men who bled the ground red at Falkirk, they fought for William Wallace, and he fights for something that I never had. And I took it from him, when I betrayed him. I saw it in his face on the battlefield and it’s tearing me apart.

    Robert’s Father: All men betray. All lose heart.

    Robert the Bruce: I don’t want to lose heart. I want to believe as he does.

    [Braveheart]

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  • nevermind

    Thre fact is that your link to pricks.com is totally overun by frigging scare crows who like nothing better than to pretend they are c…s.

    Most commenters on pricks.com are males who want to dress up but can’t find the razor to shave their legs.

    Good luck with it, hope you all have a great.no deal brexmas.

  • Sharp Ears

    Ms Viner is appealing ….for donations to:

    ‘Praxis Community Projects, the Refugee and Migrant Centre – Black Country and Birmingham, and the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants all do the vital grassroots casework that identified the Windrush injustices. Runnymede Trust worked with them to expose the injustices through its policy and campaigning work. The Law Centres Network represents 43 law centres nationwide, each defending the rights of vulnerable individuals and families every day.’

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/07/give-to-our-charity-appeal-and-help-stop-injustices-like-windrush

      • Republicofscotland

        The thing is if global warming is true, and who’s to say with any certainty either way, if we’re wrong and it is, then much of the planet will become uninhabitable, or flooded, wages won’t matter then.

        Methane trapped in the oceans and frozen tundra’s will see Earth’s temperatures rise significantly.

        Do we really want to take the gamble?

        • SA

          ROS
          You talk as if there is doubt about the certainty of climate change. It is no longer a question of if it will happen but how quickly it is going to be irreversible. Not to understand this means that you have not been paying attention.

          • Dave

            The climate is always changing and people have been forecasting the end of the world since time began requiring the date to be reset after the dangers passed. Spirituality is genetic, part of the body’s immune system to cope with emotional joy and pain, but some over do it.

            Saying “better safe than sorry” sounds sensible, but only if what you propose doing is sensible too.

      • JOML

        Perhaps coal burning power stations will be ‘taken out’, when sea levels start swallowing up cities that are under 2 metres above current levels? Suspect it will be too little, too late.
        Ironic when people criticise Poland, then have a weekend break in Krakow.
        We should all be afraid, particularly for our children and grandchildren. They’ll look back at previous generations and think, “what ignorant and arrogant bastards!”. A description that fits more than Trump.
        PS. Not criticising yourself, Michael, just us all – collectively.

        • Dave

          Once the miners were the vanguard of the working class and labour movement, now they’re deemed enemies of the planet. The climate change nonsense illustrates how Labour Party abandoned the working class to pursue middle class shibboleths and capture the ‘green’ vote.

          • Garth Carthy

            Are you for real, Dave? You talk about “climate change nonsense”. So you think we should just ignore all the climate change experts because anthropomorphic climate change is a middle class shibboleth?
            You must be an American Trump supporter.

          • Dave

            There are a range of interests that promote the scam and you can’t make America or Britain or any big country great again without an industrial policy and you can’t have an industrial policy with draconian carbon reduction targets.

            If you think its real, do you supported ending immigration which increases Britain’s carbon footprint, or do you just support closing the mines and destroying native communities?

          • Ian

            it’s not a matter of your opinion whether it’s ‘real’. The facts speak for themselves. As for trying to link it to immigration you surpass yourself with your alt-right memes. Chapeau!

          • Dave

            Well if you believe its an urgent danger requiring all sorts of nonsense to solve, surely that should include discussing immigration and population control, if you are serious about the danger.

            The old Ecology Party and Jonathan Porritt promoted this until they were subverted by the ‘new age Marxists’ and became the Green (Melon) Party.

            The fact you don’t just betrays the fact you are promoting it to serve a different agenda/s than saving the planet.

          • Ian

            Your logic is irrefutable, in an Alice in Wonderland way. I love how random your connections are.

          • Dave

            Well people are attracted to the West for economic advantage which increases Britain’s carbon footprint, only avoided if economic policy promotes a recession and millions dying of the cold in winter to reduce numbers, which is presumably how you would square the circle!

          • Clark

            Ian, the connections are far from random. It’s a conspiracy theory; that the vast majority of the scientific community are conspiring to promote the ‘scam’. All connections will converge to support the denial, and any who don’t deny will be assumed to be ‘in on it’, hence, “you are promoting it to serve a different agenda/s than saving the planet”.

            If anyone can remember where the previous discussion was, please link to it. I went through the deniers’ arguments individually, and each one was trivial to dismiss. Yet still it continues; conspiracy theories always do.

            Dave, it’s the total global emissions that matter, not Britain’s carbon footprint, and immigration does not alter the total population. If people move from poorer countries to richer countries, on average their carbon footprint will increase. Conversely however, affluence decreases the birth rate. Plus the place they came from is probably becoming more affluent. The relationship between immigration and total emissions therefore appears to be complex.

          • Dave

            Perhaps conspiracy theory would apply if I was saying almost all scientists are lying, but I don’t! I say nearly all scientists are neither qualified to say and indeed don’t say its true, but prominent politicians and civil servants make out they do, for a range of vested economic and religious reasons, which happens on other issues too. I.e. Iraqi WMD.

            But those who are qualified, climatologists, and anyone with elementary common sense, almost do not all agree its true.

      • Molloy

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        Really?! Laguerre. Really?

        Analysis of Gurniad piece indicates a feeble ‘victimhood’ complaint by the criminal French/Global elite…

        . . . the poor dears, tut tut indeed!

        The corrupt Global elite, it would seem, need to think long and hard about why it’s wrong to kill millions of human beings and why the same elite are regarded as evil personified when the elite’s lackeys/clients are bombing and maiming our children.

        Laguerre, please take care. ¡No pasarán!

        .

    • joel

      Cohn-Bendt overlooks that it is violent disorder that has made the little emperor turn tail, as it did the Tories with the poll tax. Seems to be a more effective means of protest than the giant peaceful marches of 2003.

      • Ken Kenn

        Possibly but it appears to me that it was the threat of the CGT and the truck drivers joining in that swung the whole show.

        I have a lot of sympathy for the Gilets – Jaune’s but they appear to have no political leaders.

        We shouldn’t forget that Macron was elected because of what he was not – not for his policies.

        He wasn’t Le Penn and he wasn’t Melanchon.

        As usual the left in France managed to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

        Many spoilt ballot slips too in the final vote to.

        That said a lot me.

        • joel

          Macron has nothing to do with the left. He is a liberal former investment banker, a political servant of the wealthiest 1%.

      • Laguerre

        “Cohn-Bendt overlooks that it is violent disorder that has made the little emperor turn tail,”

        Oh really? Has he turned tail? You wreck your argument by your sneer. Macron will certainly change tack, but you’d do better to recall that the person who turned tail was Sarkozy, not Macron, as you prefer right-wingers. Macron proved to be adaptable last year at election time, and I expect to see it again. As the gilets jaunes say, this is the culmination of forty years, so hardly Macron’s fault.

        • joel

          Macron has become even less popular than either Sarkozy or Hollande and in a much shorter period of time. That’s because it has become evident much more quickly to the overwhelming majority that he is just another neoliberal servant of the rich. (Or in the preferred euphemisms of so-called “centrists”, a “reformer” or “modernizer”).

    • Paul Greenwood

      Why is Cohn-Bendit worth taking seriously ? He and other remnants of the 1970s Left with penchant for street violence like Joschka Fischer took up as Greens which was a useful bran tub for the detritus of antidemocratic extremists and the Greens were renowned for their penchant for sex involving children – Cohn Bendit even wrote up several prurient passages.

      He is a 73 year old self-publicist who has nothing of relevance to say about Modern France

      • Laguerre

        So all you’re capable of doing is tackling the man and not the ball. Try having a go at the ball.

        • Molloy

          .

          Laguerre — again, misdirection methinks.

          The man Bendt? is merely and obviously a corrupt and willing recruit to the cause of the DS and Global elite.

          Please astound me by your disclosures of where DCB’s champagne money comes from.

          As with serpent-like but dim Harding, DCB clearly (via shill Gurniad) just another tedious shill for the criminal elite.

          Is that fair enough, going for the shill and not the man?

          ¡No pasarán!

          .

  • BrianFujisan

    SNP GAIN – Highland Council [ Wester Ros, Strathpeffer, and Lochalsh ]

    SNP 1.318 33.1%
    Labour 174 4.4%
    Tory 1.037 26 %
    Lib Dem 320 8%
    Green 359 9%
    UKIP 16 0.4%
    Libertarian 8 0.2
    Independant 622 15.6%
    Independant 131 3.3%

    Labour are in Trouble in Scotland, and Rightly so, ( Comming in 5th ).. The VOW MK 1 was a Lie.. Now we have VOW MK 2..From John McDonnell, KEEP IT

    But the Staggering thing is, that over 1,000 voted Tory, Thank you Evil bbC.. MsM.

    • JOML

      BBC not all bad, Brian – listening to ‘Take the Floor’ just now, with the excellent Gary Innes presenting! 😜

      • BrianFujisan

        Ahh JOML.. And the incredible natural world output.. But the natural world Realy Desperately needs the bbC.. to Stop war prpaganda with Russia..that’s for all of us.. then the Syrian Lies, Libya Ect.. And the
        dead Bush Gushing.

        Boycot Eurovision 1019

          • Molloy

            .

            Brian — Agreed x million.

            re Labour. . . please see entertainment offered by Molloy Inc. on the offG site (not seen you there for a while). Sorry if seemingly immodest!

            Best.

            .

          • nevermind

            Thanks for that great tip Brian? Was thinking of boycotting it due to the blind acceptance of rogue Apartheid contenders, no offence to any chicken songs or such, its not called Globalvision song contest yet.

            But i have to admit, the voting patterns nevet seem to fail on hilarity, its like Masterchef, you can predict who is going to get to the top in no time.

    • Vivian O'Blivion

      6th by my reckoning. But yes, Labour in Scotland are reduced to trolling the grown ups. Personally happy to be career politicians, personally content to be in permanent opposition. All the pay none of the responsibility. Sound bites targeted at the dwindling band of Unionists pensioners they rely on to get them returned as List MSPs. ‘Twer not fur the bebeC granting them undeserved credibility they would have all but disappeared.
      All of which can be said of the Lib Dem (Scottish chapter) as well.

    • Mochyn69

      How on earth can there be 1.037 Tory voters, 26 % of the votes cast in the Wester Ros, Strathpeffer, and Lochalsh local election?

      It can’t all be down to the BBC or the MSM. SNP should be crushing all opposition everywher in Scotland by now.

      Well done on winning this time, but need to try still harder.

      .

  • Tatyana

    December 1 Canada arrested Meng Wanzhou, Huawei’s top manager and daughter of the founder, for ‘violating U.S. sanctions on Iran’.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6465203/amp/UPDATE-1-Huawei-CFO-arrested-Canada-violating-U-S-sanctions-Iran-report.html

    Is it connected with his ultimatum on ballistic missiles treaty with Russia? Trump said he is unhappy with russian’s breaching it and that China is not participating in it.
    60 days and we begin new weapon race.

    • Tony_0pmoc

      Tatyana,

      Today, I read a very detailed, and completely rational and believable explanation of the Canadian arrest of Meng Wanzhou.

      It was not in the Daily Mail, nor in The Guardian.

      You probably know more than me.

      Hope you are well. I really like your comments here.

      They add to the discourse, and you are always very polite.

      Tony

      • Tatyana

        Thank you, Tony, I hope you and everyone is well, too 🙂
        Can you please share the link?
        I’ve read the news in russian and it is stressed that Iranian deal is the reason for detention.
        Huawei is in the same position as Nord Stream 2, the US doesn’t want it to spoil american business.

        • BrianFujisan

          Tatyana

          I was about to Second Tony’s thoughts Re your Posts..but since you just popped in ..Cheers from Scotland..Keep it up… Stay around.

          • Molloy

            .

            Tatyana — candidly speaking.

            Re. Chinese people at mercy of the DS and Global elite.

            The usual elite menu of racism and bullying (via fake allegations) perpetrated by US$ DS criminals.
            (Aside from a rare humanist glimpse, Trump does what the DS say. Under duress and coercion.)
            Of course, he’s tainted by complicity and status-seeking but really he is a vain, stupid instrument and patsy of the DS.

            Complicit = war criminal (by agreed joint enterprise). You know this, T.

            ¡No pasarán!

            .

    • Blunderbuss

      I think this is scandalous. Business dealings between China and Iran are nothing to do with the United States.

      • Tatyana

        Exactly what I think.
        There must be another reason to get that girl as a hostage, Canada kept the detention out of public for several days.

      • Deb O'Nair

        The US has imposed sanctions on Iran and acts as if this constitutes international law, then uses a third party country to detain nationals of another country. This is US exceptionalism gone mad.

        • Paul Greenwood

          Not true.USA claims jurisdiction over Canadian airspace. It is a fact often overlooked by Europeans and is well-known to those who fly connections over Canada.

          • Deb O'Nair

            What’s not true? Making a technical point about airspace does not mean that US laws have to be enforced by the government of Canada.

    • MaryPau!

      Where do concerns about Huawei spyware ( their kit is even now being removed from a lot of IT Installations in the West, ,) and her claimed seven passports fit in ? I thought Trump and Trudeau/US and Canada were not on good terms diplomatically these days, not good enough for Canada to arrest Chinese businesswomen on US say-so. If there is a China Iran link, I am cynical enough to believe China would share intelligence it has on the west with Iran.

      • Paul Greenwood

        Huawei was always suspect yet BT gave them contracts against that advice. There is a perverse attitude in IT procurement yet when Plessey was a British company its System X telephone switch had a backdoor for GCHQ.

        • Radar O'Reilly

          Nokia supplied Iran years ago with a complete phone monitoring & dissident tracking system.
          a deep packet inspection system called “NSN Intelligence Solutions Monitoring Center”

          it led to deaths of activists within hours of them switching on their phone (Activists, film-makers, bloggers, religious minorities)

          it was sold via cut-outs, Nokia represented by NSN (Nokia Siemens networks), which let the “independent” firm Perusa based in Guernsey deal with the contract which was then allegedly implemented by https://trovicor.com/en/ which seemed to be physically co-located with Nokia in Germany, and staffed with Nokia managers. Obviously they have all had their children arrested?

          good-luck finding if this link still works!
          http://blogs.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/news/2009/06/22/provision-of-lawful-intercept-capability-in-iran/

          or this link
          http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2011-08-22/torture-in-bahrain-becomes-routine-with-help-from-nokia-siemens-networking.html

          but Huawei, there be monsters! they might bite. . . . 5-eyes says Noooo!

          • Molloy

            .

            ‘Radar’ — Please.

            Please pretty please kindly share the evidence if any for your assertion.

            “it led to deaths of activists within hours of them switching on their phone (Activists, film-makers, bloggers, religious minorities)”

            False innuendos and devious suggestions about Iran, really! only serve the purpose of further war crimes and aggression against Iranian people.
            (Apply Occam’s before posting? So they tell me anyway.)

            End of friendly advice.
            ¡No pasarán!

            .

          • Radar O'Reilly

            You are right, demanding proof is an entirely reasonable tactic of yours.

            I distinctly remember the proven death on at least one activist. He left Tehran, hiked for days and got to a remote village, all was OK until he switched on his mobe’, phoned his father in the capital to say “I’m OK” and was strung from a crane very shortly afterwards. Really a matter of several hours. I’ll check my notes, but anyone from Iran telecom or even Nokia is welcome to jump in with some names, surely Cheltenham has a long list. Will you let me post this reply then?

            I never really focussed on Iran, they just made my ‘fiendishly clever and reasonably evil’ list,
            I can remind you that Khaled Said was undoubtedly a victim of the Egyptian State Security deployment of Gamma International FinFisher Remote Access Technology (RAT) , the victims do have names, they do exist.
            There’s an official European Parliament analysis document for the Nokia Iran surveillance system , I’m sure that’ll be a doddle to find!

          • Radar O'Reilly

            Yep , thanks Cheltenham-contractor for the fact check, my presumed dead activist was only arrested and tortured multiple times, and later managed to escape to Turkey, great news about “Abbas Hakimzadeh”

            [I’m confused tho’ – is that ‘world-terrorism-leader’ Iran being proportionate, in their own deadly way, to someone criticising their president?, I’ve been led to believe that they are lawless]

            I found https://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2016/feb/01/how-to-survive-prison-in-iran-booklet
            who carry the story further than my research in 2012, where had I assumed the worst about activist Abbas Hakimzadeh.

            As you are hopefully aware, I was given formal permission to discuss in public, information that is in the public domain, in accordance with the [Churchilian] defined chapters of accepted international human rights legislation. That permission from my employer specifically mentioned the allowance of my idiotic typing here at Craig’s excellent blog.

            Here’s some background OSINT that I made six years ago: Many dissidents in Iran believe they are being tracked by their cellphones. Abbas Hakimzadeh, a student activist that helped publish an article questioning the actions of Iran’s president, said he expected to be arrested in late 2009 after several of his friends were jailed. Worried that he could be tracked by his mobile phone, he says he turned it off, removed the battery and left Tehran to hide at his father’s house in the north-eastern city of Mashhad. A month later, Abbas turned his cellphone back on. Within 24 hours, he says, authorities arrested him at his father’s house. “The interrogators were holding my phone records, SMS and emails,” he said

            I’m very glad that this particular guy did not die at the hands of a repressive autocratic IRAN regime that was busy tracking everyone’s digital footprints, making bulk intercepts using advanced technology, and generally behaving badly. Possibly, who would know?, Iran simply passed their own telecoms Regulation of Interception (RIPA) laws to make this digital dictatorship completely legal in their frame of reference. I’m sure that nobody in Iran was harmed by Nokia, Nokia Siemens Networks, Trovicor, ZTE , SystemX, GPT , Ericsson et al providing a means for state control of “dissidents”, I’m sure that no-one in Iran had their communications blocked, or their equipment interfered with, or their opinion ‘nudged’ unless there was a very good reason for it, from whatever warped point of view they held/hold. Strange tho’, how I can probably replace the text “Iran” in most of this posting – with the name of quite a few other nations, and the text might flow logically , legal, opression?, no, surely all is sweetness & light in this best of all possible worlds..

      • Molloy

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        Really, Mary. Oh purrleeze!

        Please, once again, share with us all any evidence of spyware at all which may be in your possession at Cheltenham. Please do share.

        Too often too many seemingly innocuous little innuendos are not going to look good on your CV, and may harm your promotion/status prospects. That means less opportunity to work for warmongers.

        Weather now lovely in Westbury-on-Severn is it not?!

        ¡No pasarán!

        .

    • Paul Greenwood

      US was ever so happy with Boris Yeltsin as Governor of their Russian Province. UK and US were ever so happy to see huge cash transfers from Russia to London and New York from Khordokovsky and Deripaska and Berezhovsky etc etc. They embraced Abramovitch and a whole slew of cash rich looters. They even let a First directorate KGB man Lebedev buy The Independent and hire Georgie Osborne.

      Yet they do not like assertion of National Sovereignty under Putin and set out to dismantle him – now they have simply weakened him because he looks to the West and in their stupid policy they have strengthened Shoigu as his successor because Russia and China know that with the US you are either on your knees like UK and EU states and Japan or on your feet fighting………

  • Sharp Ears

    If anyone is interested –

    Full line-up for #marr tomorrow, 10am BBC1

    Former Foreign [email protected]

    Brexit Secretary @SteveBarclay

    Shadow Business Secretary @RLong_Bailey

    News review: @thatginamiller @GiselaStuart @TomSwarbrick1

    What an awful line up. Swarbrick used to work for May at No 10 when she had her disastrous electon result. Do you remember ‘Strong and stable’?
    🙂

    • Deb O'Nair

      Lets see if Marr asks the disgusting and odious Johnson what he was up to during the frequent periods that he went missing, mostly in the evenings after giving his police protection officers the slip whilst FM. My guess is it involved something other than getting his leg over as some apologists claim, as that would not be anything that would bother his personal protection staff. My guess is that he was meeting his gangster chums for cocaine and prostitute parties.

      • Ken Kenn

        Deb O’nair

        Jogging.

        I reckon this liar gets out of his chaufferred car round the corner ( away from journalists ) and jogs about twenty yards to the press pack.

        When his waffling’s done he jogs back round the corner and piles back into the car out of breath.

        I hear he has twelve different speeches ready for use post March 29th 2019.

        Those are theadditional things he’s been doing all the while.

        Perhaps he should join David Davies as ‘ Most Useless Lump of the year – Sunday Sun Awards 2018 ?’

  • John Goss

    Apologies if this has already been posted. It regards the Ukrainian warships in the Kerch Strait incident which were apparently combat ready, and according to Shishov a resident of Donbass identified one of the crewmen, an SBU agent, as someone who tortured him during his own captivity inflicting “very serious injuries”.

    https://www.rt.com/news/445975-ukraine-warship-combat-ready/

    I have an open mind on this. It could equally be that the FSB concocted the story to detain the crewmen further. That’s the big problem with all secret services. You can never tell if what they say is true. They are totally useless to the world and do much harm.

  • N_

    Look at this muck published in the Scum. We can expect more of this!

    THE POSH PEOPLE’S VOTE The loaded, leftie elites are conspiring to steal Brexit from Brits – while pretending to represent ‘the people’

    The People’s Vote campaign group is funded by a circle of rich contacts who want to overturn the decision to leave.

    PRIVILEGED, rich and impeccably well-connected, they are the elite trying to overturn the democratic decision to leave Europe — all the time having the nerve to declare they represent ‘the people’.

    The very idea of calling the elite “leftie” is vile. Kind of thing the Nazis did.

  • Sharp Ears

    Bye bye Nikki Haley. You have been a waste of time and space. You will not be missed.

    Haley not going out with a bang after US-sponsored anti-Hamas draft fails at UNGA
    6 Dec, 2018
    https://www.rt.com/news/445796-hamas-us-resolution-fail/

    ‘The resolution garnered 87 votes in favor and 57 against, thus falling short of securing a required two-thirds majority for the motion to pass. Thirty-six member-states abstained from the vote.’

    Haley’s strenuous effort was fully supported by the Trump administration, which has been unapologetic in doing Israel’s bidding at the UN. Haley repeatedly blasted the UN for its alleged bias against Israel, calling the organization’s treatment of the Jewish state “unfair.”
    ‘With us, or against us’: Nikki Haley’s top threats & accusations at UN

    Ahead of the crucial vote, US Middle East peace envoy Jason Greenblatt attempted to drum up support for the resolution with US allies in the Arab world, reaching out to representatives of Morocco, Oman, Bahrain, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Egypt and Qatar, Haaretz reported on Tuesday.
    [..]
    Haley has been one of the leading pro-Israel voices in the Trump administration. During her tenure as ambassador, the US quit the UN Human Rights Council, which Haley described as “a cesspool of political bias” and “a protector of human rights abusers”.’

    Heather Nauert ex Fox News to follow.

      • Tatyana

        SA, my hero is Matt Lee from Assosiated Press. His questions are reasonable and logical, that is why he was named ‘russian troll’.
        https://youtu.be/gYznqh0ul6Y

        *I feel compassion for poor Jane Psaki, it is not her fault, she is what she is. Her chief must be responsible for putting her into the position.*

        YouTube is full of videos with Matt Lee confronting Nauert, Psaki, Kirby, etc

        • SA

          Tatyana
          I agree Matt Kee is great. But what distinguishes heather from all the rest is her degree of ignorance. Her standard answer is “I do not have any information on this, I will check and come back to you.
          Anyway, do you live near the Black Sea? The little fracas with Ukraine must be much more real to you.

          • Tatyana

            Yes, I live in Krasnodar, very close to the Black Sea coast. We intend to visit Crimea soon. My husband wants to see Yalta children’s summer camp where he spent his school vacations. It was USSR then.
            I hope to make my own opinion on what’s going on there and to take some nice photo to share with this blog.

      • Paul Greenwood

        Heather’s husband is at Morgan Stanley but she has a degree in Journalism so she is no so different from Samantha Power whom Obama put as UN Ambassador though she was born in Dublin.

        Truth is the US is becoming increasingly absurd. I think Trump missed out on a chance to appoint Stormy Daniels

    • Molloy

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      SE — Well done there again. . .

      “Bye bye Nikki Haley. . . “

      She’s rather anxious re. a war crimes indictment coming through her condo letterbox, in the very near future. Obvs!!

      ¡No pasarán!

      .

    • Dave

      If they’re protesting against high fuel prices does that make them climate change deniers and enemies of the planet and EU?

      • michael norton

        The Polish Climate Change Talks have collapsed.
        Kuwait, Saudi, Russia and U.S.A. will not agree with the E.U.Elite.

        • Dave

          So its enough to say you believe irrespective of what you do and say. Hence no problem holding a carbon jamboree as long as you discuss reducing carbon emissions during the well paid freebie?

  • Sharp Ears

    I have been looking at videos from the Paris protests. Several injuries including the loss of eyes from so called ‘flashballs’ which is a pseudonym for rubber bullets. Very grim viewing.

    Then I read this on TLN of Israeli training of the French police. ‘Rubber bullets’ are also fired by the IDF at the Palestinians in the ‘West Bank’.

    ‘Apparently French government got Israelis to train their police in riot control.
    In fact, Israel exports/sells its security training around the world, helpfully advertised by the Conde Nast media company in this latest edition Vanity Fair article

    Quote: “Governments around the world are quietly turning to YAMAM, Israel’s special police force, for help with their most intractable security problems. And now, elite commandos publicly reveal the tactics that have made it one of the most fearsome counterterrorism units in the world”.
    — “I pursued my enemies and overtook them; I did not turn back until they were destroyed”. —- Psalm 18:37 (motto of Israel’s clandestine squad) ‘

    “We Try to Learn Every Terrorist Attack”: Inside the Top-Secret Israeli Anti-Terrorism Operation That’s Changing the Game
    Governments around the world are quietly turning to YAMAM, Israel’s special police force, for help with their most intractable security problems. And now, elite commandos publicly reveal the tactics that have made it one of the most fearsome counterterrorism units in the world
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/inside-yamam-top-secret-israeli-anti-terrorism-operation

  • Molloy

    .

    This is admirable work by George Monbiot.

    Re. corporate elite corruption which lies behind (lies literally behind) dishonest acquisition of property.

    imho, great stuff, but George knows he still has a little further work to do in order to expose the corruption and fake psyops /warmonger profit agenda of the UK establishment and its unlawful regime.
    He ain’t out of the woods yet regarding the Gurniad Elite Lie Factory.

    https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2018/12/08/director-of-capitalist-think-tank-launches-a-stunningly-hypocritical-attack-on-a-guardian-journalist/

    ¡No pasarán!

    .

    • joel

      You will be waiting a very long time for that to happen. Monbiot’ s role is to whip up support among liberals for western wars and to denigrate voices of opposition like Chomsky and Pilger.

  • Molloy

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    This reposted because deeply saddened by Laguerre 8.12.2018 1737hrs.

    To me, misdirection and diversion attempted here by counsel for the elite. Unwittingly or otherwise.

    “.

    Really?! Laguerre. Really?

    Analysis of Gurniad piece indicates a feeble ‘victimhood’ complaint by the criminal French/Global elite…

    . . . the poor dears, tut tut indeed!

    The corrupt Global elite, it would seem, need to think long and hard about why it’s wrong to kill millions of human beings and why the same elite are regarded as evil personified when the elite’s lackeys/clients are bombing and maiming our children.

    Laguerre, please take care. ¡No pasarán!

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