I was just talking to an old friend in the European Commission about Scottish Independence. He said within the Commission there would now be overwhelming support for it and for immediate Scottish membership of the EU. He then added “But please can you leave Dr Fox with the English?”.
He was joking, but it led me to think about the loyalties of Unionist politicians. I don’t doubt Dr Fox would stay with the English – there will be no power in prospect for Tories in Scotland.
When asked in an interview during the last Indyref where his loyalty would lie if Independence won, then Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael replied without hesitation that of course he was a Scot and he would be loyal to Scotland. Where, I wonder, would Fluffy Mundell’s loyalties lie? The border is a short hop for him. Colonel Ruthie Davison has always had her eyes on high office at Westminster, and I expect she would be quickly down the A1. As for Labour, I don’t suppose anyone in England especially wants Richard Leonard. To be fair, I suspect Gordon Brown is not going anywhere and would reconcile himself to being the Scot who, in his own mind, saved the World. Wouldn’t it be lovely if J K Rowling upped sticks and went to be closer to her beloved Tony Blair?
With Scotland in the EU and England outside, would Andrew Neil be allowed to “queue jump” and stay as a top Tory at the England and Wales Broadcasting Corporation? Or would he fall victim to a hostile environment? Surely the mighty Laura Kuenssberg would demand a larger field for her snide right wing jibes than her home country?
I offer the “which way would the unionists jump” game to those of you whose minds have been frazzled by the banal spectacle of the results of British hubris, as relayed to us from Westminster all week. The game works much better with a few drams of Caol Ila.
Someone exploded a bomb in a car outside the courthouse in Derry a few hours ago. So far there are no reports of any injuries.
Tried and tested, false-flag, British intimidation of the people of Ireland, dressed up to look like Republican terrorism.
How come in Iraq even the kids all knew the US were planting the market bombs? because witnesses saw them.
And Arlene Foster describes it as a “pointless act of terror”. I wonder if she will now change the DUP’s approach to Brexit in order to respect and maintain the Good Friday Agreement?
JOML
I think it’s fair to say that Mrs May will have informed Ms Foster that British special forces did that car bomb, so not to worry, and it’s a good opportunity for MS Foster to look stateswomanlike and calm.
I think it’s also fair to say that Jeremy Corbyn will know that British special forces did it without being told by No 10.
Tories boring. Britain boring. DUP boring. EU boring.
Truthers boring.
Yes, right on cue someone pops up to say it wasn’t Irish terrorists (whether republicans or loyalisst) but a British false flag. Someone who is of course in no position to know one way or the other. What, I wonder, fills some people with such hate against Britain? Is it some sort of mental illness?
OT – the nurse who attended on the skripals slumped on the park bench is an OBE and high ranking member of the armed forcrs. https://t.co/Pwziy6JbjT?amp=1
You can see Liam Fox along with Raab on Marr this morning along with Starmer, Benn and Soubry.
Name of a collective noun for them?
The approved euphemism .. . “moderates.”
I was once told that the collective noun for politicians was “a futility”.
If Labour get in, a “colhose”.
Name of a collective noun for them?
A treachery.
Might I suggest a “stench of treachery”?
They are all ‘Centrists’. Ha,ha.
All individuals we didn’t vote for.
The noun must be ” democrats ” or so they’d tell you.
how about ‘failures;?
Liam Fox should be sacked for failing in his trade endeavors to secure enough trade to replace what we will loose with existing EU relations. Everywhere i9n Europe there is talk of EU reform, here its all about running away. Sad innit?
Obviously it should be a “Dump”
Because according Marcus Tullius Cicero
“Politicians are not born, they’re excreted”
Not much of a negotiator, is he?
What seems to be overlooked by him and his fellow blimps is that all other parties are waiting to see if Brexit actually happens.
The UK will then be seen as a supplicant, desperate to conclude any deal on any terms.
Not a very strong negotiating possition to be in.
Watch for a clown descending from his return from Washington waving some capitulation document claiming victory.
Not a very strong negotiating possition to be in.
In one of today’s tabloids, the Heil on Sunday, there is a silly story about Gavin Williamson SoS Defence, having toilet roll in his private office with Putin’s face printed on every sheet.
viz https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6611411/Defence-Secretary-Gavin-Williamsons-toilet-paper-featuring-Putins-face-Russian-insult.html
The old warmonger, Robert Fox from the Evening Standard, was defending Williamson in the BBC papers review and praising him.
. According to Fox, Williamson is ‘user friendly’, remarkable in the job and completely devoted to it. Additional all of our boys and girls in the forces like him very much, etc etc Could you make it up.
I bet he is “user friendly”. Can’t keep up with the port, Purdey, Rolex, “school” and “college” references by elite types on the boards of the weapons companies, in the senior civil service, the “best” army regiments, the navy and the air force, but helps them all the way and is so pleased when one of them laughs at his jokes or deigns to “consult” him, or lets him sit at the head of the table. What a helpful young man.
Well, some army regiments ARE better than others!
Oooooh! Shurrup and go away! I’ll scratch yer eyes out.
we discuss of your WC, Mr. Williamson 🙂
Excuse me, just curious, scratch the eyes out… from where?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Qhbdijv5Y
I wonder whos face is on Putin’s toilet roll? I’m sure it’s not Mr. Williamson’s.
Probably, it is jealousy, just imagine, Mr. Williamson remembers Putin at least several times a day, and Putin doesn’t care of Mr. Williamson at all 🙂
Or know of him Tatyana!
An English expression that sums up Williamson: ” a legend in his own lunch break”.
Lunchtime, if it’s another English lesson. That way it sounds like lifetime. Even wittier, you see.
Witty, yes 🙂 Thanks for new english idiom!
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If it were a russian lesson, I could tell that the cyrillic print on that roll reads “Ptn gfckyslf”. This is a popular meme from Ukraine.
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The only thing that prevents me from typing “from the Ukraine” is the folklore wisdom I learned from my dear grandma – “if people around you start walking on all fours and oinking, remember, you don’t have to do the same”
A question of loyalty.
It certainly seems so when you read of the proposal to deploy something like 500 Scottish police to Northern Ireland in anticipation of trouble with the reintroduction of a border.
So when everyone and their dog knows that legislation going through Westminster to reintroduce border stop, search and detain powers will be the catalyst for trouble, why is it that Scottish police are being sent over.
Scottish police are needed here in Scotland not Northern Ireland.
In sending over Scottish police one has to ask the question is who is calling the shots. Is it the First Minister and the SG who are supposed to have authority over police? Or is it Westminster who have the control over a powerless Scottish parliament?
And how long will they be there. A month, six months or long term if the North once again descends into the chaos of discontent.
Stanley Johnston, and father of Boris may not care if Irish people shoot each other, but lots of other people do.
Moreover, in sending Scottish Police, as opposed to Metropolitan Police, one has to ask to what signal does this send.Will it politicise the Scottish police as a unionist police force and the wider perception of a Unionist Scotland.
Most certainly it will.
With the Good Friday Agreement in tatters, the NI Assembly suspended, direct rule in place from a Westminster government beholden to a handful of DUP politicians, and now a border, one can see exactly how the the deployment of Scottish Police becomes partisan.
And when they come into contact with an outraged community, as they inevitably will, one can see the Westminster advantage of sowing discontent between Scotland and Ireland.
Nicola Surgeon as First Minister needs to comment on this. Yes we in Scotland need to play our part mitigate criminality. But why had she or her government signed off on sending Scottish Police to the North of Ireland. Why are we allowing Scottish police to be dragged into that cauldron that could blonce again boil.
Let the Met send Police to deal with violence and disorder that their government now provokes. Policing like this is political.
But better still, given how UK mainland police will be perceived, why not a call to the international community to send in police, and if need be, troops.
Yes Mr Johnson. Who cares if the Irish shoot each other. Thatcher knew what to do.
“legislation going through Westminster to reintroduce border stop, search and detain powers”
Bills tabled before the parliament in Westminster are online, even ones that tear up the Good Friday Agreement. Have you got a link?
The Republic of Ireland is an EU member state and must abide by EU law governing external EU borders, incuding ones with countries that are outside the single market and customs union. Many EU citizens from the continent have it as their goal to come to the gold-paved streets of London, and it’s not hard to see what a preferred route would be in the event of Brexit – or two preferred routes, if a certain pro-EU nationalist party in Scotland has its way.
“In sending over Scottish police one has to ask the question is who is calling the shots.”
Englishmen who wave their riding whips as they bellow the words “Rebellious Scots to crush” when they sing the “Westminster” national anthem of course! They do it in special rooms in all the “Westminster” departments that senior civil servants and government ministers who speak with rhotic accents or know what Irn Bru is have all been banned from since the “”Westminster” declaration of 1931. David Icke published a report about how they get a chef at the Athenaeum to cook some chips made from ultra-expensive La Bonnotte potatoes that waiters who are all called “George” fix to their shoulders for them. It’s the highlight of the “Westminster” year.
Well, no one will be surprised to learn that, after another display of breathtaking incompetence and stupidity, Diane Abbott has now accused BBC Question Time of “legitimising racism”. First sexism and now racism!
Well that is exactly what it was. The programme should be renamed ‘Gammon Hour’.
So if a person who happens to be black is widely perceived as incompetent then there must not be a place in public debate for making that point because to do so would be racist?
It is impossible to consider incompetence in UK politics without placing Maybot at the top of the list.
If a person who happens to be black and a women is criticised, interrupted and talked over, and constantly abused online, and if far clearer examples of incompetence from posh white men are generally not treated the same way, yes. Diane Abbott has a distinguished record and should be treated with respect. http://www.dianeabbott.org.uk/news/speeches.aspx
Spot on.
Fiona Bruce therefore is the pineapple on top.
Or the egg.
Mentorn make the program and the company is well connected to Cocky Cameron.
BBC buying in at its best.
Racist cake baking next and when vets play darts.
Alan Partridges Monkey Tennis is a real possibility in 2023.
A planet where the last time they had Corbyn on QT they packed the audience with boiling gammons, fuming that he was unwilling to launch nuclear missiles at innocent civilians.
Check the comments here ‘able’ and your obvious bias against Labour might be corrected.
http://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/thread/1547984713.html
How about the ‘joke’ Bruce made before the programme started that Abbott got her job because of her previous association with Corbyn. Pure nudge nudge wink stuff. Abbott’s Independent article is a fair response to all the stuff flying around.
I don’t watch that stuff. I’d be interested if you described what happened and what she thinks supports her view and why in your view she’s talking crap. You write as if it couldn’t happen.
I can’t work out why she would go on Question Time.
The “breathtaking incompetence and stupidity” was from Bruce and Oakeshot who wrongly stated that Labour were behind in the polls. The BBC have since been forced to make a clarifying statement (although no apology) after huge levels of complaints and public outrage.
Well, no one will be surprised to learn that after a two year display of ignorance towards NI and a hard border, Mrs. May had marked today with a new reinstatement of a bombing campaign. The Tories don’t stop at ruining the economy with the likes of Fox and Boris, they are re igniting violence in NI.
Syrian defense systems thwarted an Israeli air attack on Sunday in the south of the country, state media said, citing a military source.
“Our air defense systems thwarted… an Israeli air aggression
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-israel/syrian-air-defense-repels-israeli-attack-in-south-state-media-idUSKCN1PE0DP?il=0
In The Golan the United Nations have their peace keeping force,
do they actually ever attempt to stop Israel attacking Syria, if not why not?
Michael
For more evidence of the UN’s mandate in the Golan region you might be interested in this link:
https://www.rt.com/news/425463-probe-austria-peacekeepers-trap/
Absolutely despicable human beings in a so called peacekeeping force in a situation where the Syrian policemen were in no way ‘enemies’ or a threat to the UN forces. Had the situation been reversed I have no doubt the Syrian officers would have done the honourable thing. I have been unable to find out how this investigation has progressed – probably swept under the carpet.
They didn’t even use the new S-300 system,
keeping that in reserve, maybe the Israelis were trying to get them to use the S-300, so they could bleat to America?
Racist or not, the fact is that the BBC, like virtually all the mainstream media, has it in for Diane Abbot and Jeremy Corbyn. Any true assessment of the real competence of Corbyn and Abbot is totally compromised by the disgusting smearing that the media keep dishing out.
I think many of them want a more competent opposition. You know, one that can actually score some hits against the worst government in recent history, rather than lagging behind in the polls. But you can’t get rid of an old commie like Jeremy. He has to either die or be purged.
You assume some Clinton/Blair tribute act ‘moderate’ would be polling better?
The Labour equivalent in Germany – the SPD – is the definition of ‘moderate’ and centrism, they’re polling 14% .
How’s Macron’s centrism working out?
Going well?
Perhaps it’s because when people vote, they want to know , y’ konw, something actually changes as a result?
What a revolutionary idea , huh?
“you can’t get rid of an old commie like Jeremy. He has to either die or be purged.”
You have to talk about leftwingers as though we are toilet dirt and fantasise about murdering us, don’t you? Can I guess which political party is your favourite?
We could do with a media which is not bought and paid for by persons unknown. Any glance at the ‘Dailies’ shows such close similarity in wording that only the intellectually challenged could miss the fact that they are cloned.
Same with you here.
You either have to die or be purged.
“But you can’t get rid of an old commie like Jeremy. He has to either die or be purged.”
Why are you peddling this hard-right shtick? You sound like a swivel-eyed loon.
No what we want is a more competent government.
I swear – and I spent a lot of my younger days fighting against her government
that Thatcher would have resigned instantly.
I would question her politics but not her integrity.
May has none and many of her Ministers and ex Ministers either otherwise they would have ditched her long ago.
Her deal has been thrown on the fire and ( excuse my French ) someone has pissed on it to put it out and they
are now going through it to see what they can save.
Now that’s real desperation not statecraft.
So two and a half years of swerving making a decision has led us to Corporal Jones territory.
May is an obstacle – not an asset and she is about to be removed.
It’s a start I suppose.
@able
You would rather have murdering warmongers such as Blair and H Clinton then?
You totally missed the point Garth Carthy was making about the media led demonisation of Corbyn and Abbott, much of which is totally unfounded.
The latest smear was BBC Newsnight and Fiona Bruce whipping the audience into an anti Abbott frenzy, and using lies to do it.
I am afraid that the BBC really does have an ‘agenda’ and it is becoming more apparent and shrill as time passes.
Listening to the World at One last week, i heard some ‘journalist’ questioning a hapless Labour MP.
‘Why,’ she demanded to know in her opening shot, ‘is Corbyn setting preconditions to meeting Theresa May, whilst he had met Hisbullah, Hamas and Sinn Fein without preconditions?’
There followed what sounded to me like the sound of a fish flopping about on a dockside.
Had the MP any gumption at all, he would have asked how she knew that Corbyn had not set any preconditions or indeed how she knew any of the other parties hadn’t before they agreed to meet him.
Her response would have been far more interesting than anything he said.
The BBC’s agenda is appallingly obvious.
When they say they are worried about Corbyn being in charge of national security, tend to believe what they mean is, they are nervous about what he’ll discover about what’s been done in the name of national security.
Goose
I’ll guarantee that the spooks show him one thing and the clubabble another thing.
Even as PM they will tell him little.
Defence of the Realm and all that.
Same sort of thing on Any Questions on bbc radio 4 this Friday.
In a week when May’s flagship policy was voted down by 202 to 432, the only question on Brexit was about Jeremy Corbyn, and essentially inviting the panel to kick Corbyn. Nothing on May’s incompetence, splits in the cabinet, and splits in the parliamentary party. You’d think from the programme that the chaos in parliament over Brexit was caused by Corbyn rather than by May, Johnson, Davis, Raab, etc.
Why did he go on the programme?
That’s a good question, But then I often wonder why any non-Tory politician would go on to the Today program to be harangued and continually interrupted by the repulsive Humphries.
The strategy is to invite a politician on to discuss some matter they are familiar with and might have some issue, some hobby horse they wish to raise awareness of. They will have prepared themselves to present their cause, and made notes of key points and phrases to squeeze in.. if they can get a word in sideways, of course.
They are then ambushed with a question or interrogation of no relevance to their brief or why they thought they were invited to be there in the first place. They never seem to learn.
Can we do a deal where all those who have peerages are barred from Scotland, their property forfeit unless they renounce it? That should flush a few out AND have the benefit of leaving Michelle Moan (deliberate) in London.
Does that include hereditary scottish aristocrats? Plus of course the owner of the largest land holding in Scotland is actually Danish.
Why don’t the three drippy sons of the lawbreaking D of E take him aside and tell him to shut the f up and to disappear.
Police speak to Prince Philip for not wearing seat belt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46935721
Can you imagine the plods just having a friendly chat with any of us in the same circumstances only two days later when there could have been fatalities as he drove into the path of an oncoming car. Is he being charged with dangerous driving?
‘Wearing a seat belt cannot only save your life but those of other passengers and the driver – especially if you are sitting in the rear of the vehicle. … If you are caught driving without a seat belt on by the Police, you will be issued with a Fixed Penalty Notice and a £100 fine. If prosecuted, the maximum fine is £500.’
The seatbelt story, while true and also indicative of the guy’s “Are they going to ban cricket bats?” attitude, may be damage limitation in respect of a man who caused a serious accident through his crap driving and who may have driven without a driving licence for decades having lately become too stubborn to look right and left when he pulls into another road, as well as probably incapable of seeing much further than the end of his nose anyway. Drivers over 70 have to reapply for their licence every three years, when they have to “self-assess” their eyesight and declare that it meets the requirement. Did he do it? I don’t know the details of how they are supposed to self-assess but I can’t picture Prince Philip measuring the distance to a car and checking whether or not he can read the licence plate, or taking any other test that commoners have devised for him to take before they will allow him to do what he wants.
Prince Philip has not apologised to those he injured in the crash.
Emma Fairweather who is one of the victims suffered a broken wrist and is still in a lot of pain.
“‘We could see the Land Rover about 150 yards from us at a junction, then it started to move,’ she said. ‘I kept thinking he was going to stop but he didn’t … My friend was braking and seemed so in control but I was terrified.’
She said she was panicking after the incident as everyone flocked towards the other car and she feared she would be forgotten. She said she repeatedly screamed: ‘Get the baby out.’
Fairweather said she knew straight away that her wrist was broken but feels that reporting of the accident has downplayed her suffering by describing her injuries as minor (…).
Philip allegedly told onlookers that he was dazzled by the sun but Fairweather cast doubt on his explanation, claiming it was cloudy at the time.”
It sounds as though on top of his well-known personality problems he also suffers eye flashes and perhaps also a reduced field of vision. Then he goes out the next day in another car and doesn’t even bother wearing his seatbelt. He is saying he shits on the lot of us. That baby could have been killed because of this f*cker.
N_,
He was probably at fault but even so 150 yards is 450 feet. The driver had loads of time to stop.
SPEED = 60mph
“THINKING” DISTANCE = 60ft
BRAKING DISTANCE = 180ft
OVERALL STOPPING DISTANCE = 240ft
What annoys me about this trivial accident, is the fact that it is really obscuring real news, which is hardly ever published by the press or tv. We are being drowned in bollocks like this.
Tony
@Tony – Agreed, 150 yards is ample distance in which to stop. But she says they could see the Land Rover “at a junction” at 150 yards and “then” it pulled out, which probably means she first saw it at 150 yards and then some time later it pulled out, perhaps right in front of her. Or she is poor at gauging distances. Maybe the reporter asked “when did you first see the other car?”
According to the Daily Express, “Emma says Philip was breathalysed and treated before leaving the crash scene within 10 minutes – and claims he was advised not to apologise to her in person.”
I believe that last bit: standard anti-terrorist training. This kind of crash is among the things that bodyguards train for.
It’s generally advised never to apologise after a car accident even if it was clearly your fault because you’re then admitting liability.
@Tony_Opmoc,
I have been reading up on reaction times from various sources, and this one seems to reckon between 0.7 and 3 seconds which is a huge difference. If I saw someone at a junction 150 yards ahead, I would already be covering the brake pedal. I have seen crashes where people have not reacted at all, and was in a crash decades ago, where I reacted to a car pulling out and was rear ended by the following car. The speed was 30mph, although I think that car which hit me was going faster, and the driving conditions perfect – dry and bright.
How many drivers have ever done a real emergency stop?
https://copradar.com/redlight/factors/
Whenever Craig Murray has a bad day he should emulate the gracious diplomacy of our Prime Minister… https://en-gb.facebook.com/thedeepleft/videos/373454719886114/
Harry Law, Great video. Sometimes we all feel like that. But she volunteered for the job. Who else wants it? She is not even allowed to tell all the press to Fuck Off. I might disagree with her about almost everything, but at the end of the day, so far as I can tell, whilst maybe lacking in empathy, she is still a human being, under tremendous stress.
Tony
Nice on Harry thanks. ?
@able who says: “But you can’t get rid of an old commie like Jeremy. He has to either die or be purged.”
Referring to Jeremy Corbyn as a “commie” is stupid and totally inaccurate.
Corbyn is a true socialist – not a phoney Blairite Tory.
In Scandinavia, Corbyn and his supporters would be regarded as a moderate socialists but such is the Imperial arrogance of our establishment and it’s media lackeys, that ‘Corbynistas’ are regarded as the enemy.
“In Scandinavia, Corbyn and his supporters would be regarded as a moderate socialists ”
You obviously don’t know the first thing about Scandinavian politics, because the above is rubbish.
Interestingly, ancient Scandinavians believed that the Aurora Borealis, or Northern lights, was the result of a huge shoal of herring reflecting light into the night sky.
Scandinavian countries have no problem with the means of production being in the private sector, they just have high levels of taxation. If you want to see what Corbyn advocates, look at Cuba or Venezuela.
Would you be referring to Cuba and Venezuela’s free health care, free education, and outstanding literacy rates (among other things achieved by their socialist governments), or are you hoping we will inform ourselves about the US government’s and the corporations’ relentless attempts at ‘regime change’ (including assassination) by undermining their economies and promoting social unrest.
Free does not mean good or even adequate. Venezuela’s healthcare system has collapsed as doctors leave because of poor pay and spending had been cut from 9% GDP to 5% GDP leading to major shortages.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/06/venezuela-health-system-crisis-nicolas-maduro
Alex is however probably referring to the general shortages of food and other basic items caused by mismanagement and the brutal suppression of any protests.
Tell me more…………..
Read any biography of Corbyn and you will not find one mention of the Communist Party nor his membership of any such grouping. He has spent his political life campaigning for justice and for the betterment of his fellow human beings. Even for the Chagossians who are one of Craig’s own areas of concern. A good man.
This account is comprehensive and as good as ever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn
“. He has spent his political life campaigning for justice and for the betterment of his fellow human beings.”
It should be noted that Mr Jeremy Corbyn has never had a job outside politics, Ever.
And he’s been an MP for around 40 years.
If MPs are troughers – as is often claimed on here by one or two commenters – then Mr Jeremy Corbyn is an arch-trougher.
Best to get the facts right before shooting one’s mouth off.
After school, Corbyn worked briefly as a reporter for a local newspaper, the Newport and Market Drayton Advertiser. At around the age of 19 he spent two years doing Voluntary Service Overseas in Jamaica as a youth worker and geography teacher. He subsequently travelled through Latin America in 1969 and 1970, visiting Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile. Whilst in Brazil he participated in a student demonstration in São Paulo against the Brazilian military government. He also attended a May Day march in Santiago, where the atmosphere around Salvador Allende’s Popular Unity alliance which swept to power in the Chilean elections of 1970 made an impression on him: “(I) noticed something very different from anything I had experienced… What Popular Unity and Allende had done was weld together the folk tradition, the song tradition, the artistic tradition and the intellectual tradition”.
” He subsequently travelled through Latin America in 1969 and 1970, visiting Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Chile. Whilst in Brazil he participated in a student demonstration in São Paulo against the Brazilian military government. He also attended a May Day march in Santiago, where the atmosphere around Salvador Allende’s Popular Unity alliance which swept to power in the Chilean elections of 1970 made an impression on him”
I don’t think that would count as “work” in most people’s book, surely? Sound more like an extended gap year to me.
How brief was “worked briefly as a reporter” ?
And are you sure about the two years VSO – first time I’ve seen that anywhere.
So I think my point stands : Mr Jeremy Corbyn is a stranger to the world of work outside politics.
Well, one can – and rightly so – accuse Mr Jeremy Corbyn, leader of Her Masjesty’s Loyal (?) Opposition, of many things. But, in the matter of his childrens’ schooling, one cannot accuse him of saying one thing and doing another. To the point of, it seems, having divorced his first wife because she wanted their children to be educated outside the state system.
So, in that respect, he’s straight. As, for that matter, was the late Tony Benn.
On this theme, readers might be interested – and surprised – to learn where the children of his fiery, left-wing press head honcho Mr Seumas Milne were educated…….
(Or, for that matter, the children of the egregious Mr John Pilger and Mr Ken Loach….)
(Mr Seumas Milne himself was educated at Winchester and Balliol (PPE), thus following in the footsteps of his own father Mr Alasdair Milne (former BBC Director General), who attended Winchester and New College).
You can’t really blame people for where they were sent to school! Not their choice.
As to where they send their own children, OK, that is their choice, but … you can still campaign for everyone to have an excellent education and acknowledge that currently, where you are, it is not the case. Would you say no left wing person should get their children piano lessons till they are free for everyone? Or we shouldn’t try to find a better than average care home for our own family members if necessary?
Lemme guess. In one of your schools!
A minor technicality, the second Mrs Corbyn didn’t even want to send their sons to a private school, she wanted to send them to a (selective) state grammar rather than the failing comprehensive in whose catchment area they lived
Could we have chapter and verse on that or are you privy to the Corbyn family’s discussions?
I believe both Mr Jeremy Corbyn and the former Mrs Jeremy Corbyn said it.
Any idea what Cadwalladr is on about in her latest tweet?
A girlfriend of an oligarch manhandled at a Moscow airport?
Still no mention of II/IoS and Caroles links with them and their anti Russian disinformation campaigns? Their interference across the world?
She mentions the usual bogeymen , trump, mannafort, farage, but not Murdoch, Mandy, Blair or Tory MP’s.
Meanwhile, the plot of a coup to by-pass parliamentry democracy reaches a denoument this week – all the neocon/lib forces are to be marshalled under the patrician Grieve and Cooper along with all the right-thinking forces of the land in the final fight to retain the land for … Mordor.
A unholy alliance of the Willing to stop the Corbynite Hobbits ridding the land of the ancient powers! By witholding a democratic general election – which is the only guarantee of choice for the people to decide who govern.
The country is not under attack and threat of invasion by the russkies/germans/french or spanish. There is no need to form a wartime coalition.
The British people and voters will not kindly to having our rights (paltry as they are) witheld. It is a very dangerous and possibly suicidal ploy, that the establishment is choosing to retain the status quo.
” But you can’t get rid of an old commie like Jeremy. He has to either die or be purged.”
This comment is very true – unfortunately. It is borne out by history. To take just one example, the late Eric Hobsbawm: here, you have an old geyser, otherwise highly intelligent, who remained a communist to the end of his days despite various disappointments such as Budapest, Prague and, finally, the bankruptcy and total collapse of that totalitarian philosophy.
The reasons are twofold, I think. Firstly, communism is a particularly hard philosophy to shake oneself free from, It has many of the characteristics of a not very pleasant religion…or a mental illness. Secondly, it is well known that the older one gets, the less one is able to think flexibly and change one’s mind.
Sad but true.
Theresa May must be a commie then!
Nice one, SA!
Commie? JC? Kinnock and The Blairites PURGED Labour of Militant and SWP types but left actual COMMIES??
Will people bot tire of useless re-imagination?
As everyone knows JC CAMPAIGNED for REMAIN.
He could have stayed neutral if he really wanted to have no influence in the referendum.
Wilson as PM remained NEUTRAL (Cameron didn’t).
So JC is NOT a secret commie brexiteer.
It is big fat LIE that lying LIARS are constantly throwing at the public.
Also Hobsbawm – you realise he taught many of the establishment tyros? I know some. Think he was some kind of Russian stooge? Recruiting for the KGB? The sixth man? Checkout his spat with LeCarre.
You can be a commie or a communist stooge (or useful idiot, if you will) without being a recruiter for the KGB. And you can be a communist without holding a party card. So what are you going on about?
You missed out eminence Charles. ?
“I can’t imagine from this distance that I was unaware of Hobsbawm’s distinction or his politics,” Le Carré said. “I suspect that what I did in midstream was picture a Marxist intellectual under MI5 control, and then give him an analogous name that would resonate with the knowing.”
Richard J Evans thinks to view Howsbawm as a communist is a simplistic view.
“Was Hobsbawm really the dangerous communist, the Stalinist apologist, the unrepentantly hardline Marxist that so many have assumed him to be? A careful reading of his autobiography, Interesting Times, published in 2002, as well of his other published work, will do a lot to dispel this simplistic view.”
Evans basically argues that he was a marxist who saw the communist party, initially at least, as a means by which a communist society could be realised.
“Marxist ideas gave his work a coherence and structure that merely empirical history was unable to achieve; they helped him to develop concepts that made sense of the inchoate material of history, and at the same time, because they were novel and controversial, provided topics for debates and discussions that are still going on among historians today …”
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jan/17/eric-hobsbawm-mi5-communism-stalin-historian-private-papers
Excuse me, speaking as a relative newcomer: you have wasted half a page on bostock, why?
Same with you here.
You either have to die or be purged.
You seem to be a classic example of your own observation, albeit that you appear to be more than one person. The ideal of communism was that eventually the state would be unnecessary and wither away, but we all need someone else to tell us how we should live don’t we. The communism we’ve seen has been corrupted by the same greedy, self serving psychos who know what’s best for everyone else whilst they feather their own nests at everyone else’s expense. I find Mr Murray’s elitism just as putrid as anyone else’s.
Sorry, I was replying to Mr Bostick there. It’s very late here and the comments move quickly. It takes so much time just to read the comments let alone reply I can only imagine that many of the prolific posters here are either retired and have little to do all day or are paid for their time? It’s all very depressing.
Retired
Plenty of time to troll hunt ?
And as happy a retirement as is possible I hope Mr D. Whilst I find much of the debate here outstanding there does appear to be a regular trolling of anything that goes against the dipshit narrative of the MSM and government propaganda. I have a few years to go before I’ll be able to join in the regular fray but I fear by then Mr Bawsup and his ilk will have any who don’t spout the party line rounded up. I do applaud Mr Murray for much of the information he imparts but I don’t agree with many of his elitist ideals. I come here mainly for the comments from yourself and others. I wish I had more time to keep up with the debate.
Don’t worry about Bossy and co- they are mere monkeys dancing for the organ grinder. Or telesale type wideboys sticking to the scripts. I doubt they ever had a original thought or questioned what they believe. They are the following orders type that think it is the only reason they neef.
As the establishment projectile vomit they spew carries in failing their masters may dementedly order them onto the streets to break peoples heads – but that will be their final miscalculation – there will be many who will defend their neighbours, friends and strangers – it would make the poll tax rebellion look like a kindergarden party.
See you on the barricades!
Dan O’Thebes: ‘… prolific posters here are either retired and have little to do all day or are paid for their time?…’
Another possibility – they live in another time zone/hemisphere.
Robyn – please share with me those time zones which allow more than 24 hours in the day. Mr Dungroanin has stated that he’s retired which leaves him time to go troll hunting here, which fits with my earlier comment. I’m not retired, no longer read any “news” papers or watch tv, have ditched all social media accounts and yet rarely have time to read all the comments let alone make several each day. Many contributors here comment often and at length. I don’t see what time zones have to do with it.
In my current time zone it’s now late afternoon/early evening and I have things to do like eat, drink and be as merry as one can be after reading some of the posh pish posted on here, and also take care of some business via tinterweb and talk with loved ones st home. I believe we would likely be on the same side come the evolution though. 😉
Dan, i don’t sit infront of a computer, its all done from my phone. Which allows for partaking while cooking, washing, travel .. most activities infact. ?
THEY – have all the resources and probably watch me typing and reading – the tech is there.
I – and WE, don’t and shouldn’t care. They attack from the shadows. We are not afraid to fight in the light.
THEY already lost and are in denial, because they are the few, we are the very very many.
Julia Hobsbawm resigned from her trusteeship of the Jcwish Museum last August at their decision not to host Jeremy Corbyn to speak on anti semitism. It appears that great pressure was exerted on the Museum.
https://www.museumsassociation.org/museums-journal/news/07082018-trustee-resigns-over-jewish-museums-decision-not-to-host-jeremy-corbyn
Julia Hobsbawm is the daughter of historian Eric.
That, my dear Lysias, is why Sharp Ears mentioned her. Duh!!
I know lysias. I put that up purposely as the name of her late father had been besmirched on here this afternoon.
So, in your book, pointing out that Hobsbawn remained a communist until he died is to besmirch him?
That provides an interesting insight into what you really think of communists, doesn’t it.
But actually, I wasn’t trying to besmirch anyone. I was just using him as an example of how difficult it was for even a guy as intelligent as Hobsbawm to free himself from the mental affliction known as communism.
The only mental affliction is yours that always sees reds under the bed.
Dungroanin
Not a case of seeing reds under the bed, my dear boy. Hobsbawm was a self-declared communist and never made any secret of it.
If you want to debate and discuss it helps if you focus a little.
Bossie, Franz above has already addressed that,
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/01/a-question-of-loyalty/comment-page-4/#comment-820225
@ Sharp Ears January 20, 2019 at 17:04
Have you seen this:
‘Florida politician doubles down against ‘Hamas-loving anti-Se*ite’ Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib’:
https://www.rt.com/search?q=Anabelle+Taub
Imagine the furore if the shoe was on the other foot…
“This comment is very true” of course it’s not, that nonsense is pushed by the hard-right neocons in the US. Try and keep a grip on reality.
I’m afraid that the old cliche of Communism to Fascism is overused.
It starts as the overthrow of capitalism and then communism then the -re-instatement of capitalism – then fascism.
This is why we so goddamn love Democracy.
Whatever that means?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/20/novichok-poisoning-victims-sergei-skripal-first-helped-by-teenage-girl
I am alone to think that this is a very strange story to come out 10 months after the actual event? Is the folklore on the Skripa; now being refined to include such stories or is there something else going on? How come she was never affected by the deadliest agent known to man?
Her mother is a army colonel, and schooled in nursing, after the non-life threatening substance took hold of the Skripal the good colonel conveniently positioned, controlled the scene until others moved in.
I’d say the article is nod to that, and to show just how caring Brits are as opposed to nasty Russians.
Perhaps the PTB figured that they couldn’t prevent Colonel McCourt being identified for who she is at some future point (e.g. because they think members of the public may have photo’d her at the scene) – this story is designed to explain away her presence, should that become necessary. Pitiful of course, but no more so than all the other bollocks they have put out in the media.
Brian, the Kentucky RC MAGA boys taunting the elderly Native American has been picked up by the BBC.. Apparently they were on anti-abortion rally and were chanting build the wall at the Native American!!! It’s comparable to the most idiotic antisemitism. The only wall that should have been built should have been running North South and kept us whities into the eastern part of America and to our initial albeit unfair treaty obligations. We whities had no right to occupy but having done so should have kept to the treaties and not continued on and on plundering lying and stealing.
Build the bloody wall. What a fucking ironis joke.
Ironic (not ironis): Bloody fat fingers!
“By the close of the Indian Wars in the late 19th century, fewer than 238,000 indigenous people remained, a sharp decline from the estimated 5 million to 15 million living in North America when Columbus arrived in 1492.”
https://www.history.com/news/native-americans-genocide-united-states
Some of those who did survive died later on reservations after the infamous Trail of Tears.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
The native American Indian’s did fight back and on a few occasions actually won. LT Col George Custer and over 200 men from the 7th Calvary died at Little Big Horn. Less well known is that Custer lost two brothers, a nephew and three brothers-in-laws at Little Big Horn.
The kids are very young. Who knows what they are thinking and we all will have behaved stupidly at their age in one way or another, but their parents and teachers…..what are they teaching them?
Fwl
Thank for that response.. I have been in Contact with Native Americans.. Elder Nathan sure taught me something
They – Native Americans – are deeply hurt over this.. The Old days Again.. never went away.. the war on Native Women is sickening
@ Republicofscotland January 20, 2019 at 16:42
Yep, the Sheeple should throw away their blinckers and rose-tinted specs, and get the truth of history.
People should read ‘A People’s History of the United States: 1492-Present’ by Howard Zinn, and other such (Jack London, Anthony Sampson, Gerry Docherty etc.). And, perforce, the good man himself, Craig.
Alternately, they can take the easy route, accept the MSM and government narratives, no matter how illogical they inevitably are, and sit on the sidelines and sneer and barrack the ‘conspiracy theorists’, who refuse to believe that Big Government, Big Pharma, Big Agri, Big Arms Corps. and the MSM REALLY have the people’s welfare at heart.
Wakey, wakey!.
– “Alternatively [blah blah] Official Story [blah] Conspiracy Theorists…”
Yes that’s right Paul, there are only ever TWO positions, it’s always a simple binary choice, and reality is never more complicated than our puny minds can comprehend. Oh sorry, MY puny mind, obviously.
Howard Zinn is one of my heroes.
Good. So he doesn’t belong with chemtrails and anti-vaccination scares, where Paul would classify him.
@ Sharp Ears January 20, 2019 at 21:08
I first heard of him, and read one or two of his books, after watching ‘Confronting the Evidence’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJPxwHk-izs by Jimmy Walter (an American millionaire who fled the US because of his brave attempts to get to the truth – he now lives in Europe).
I read every book that was mentioned in that video (much as I read every book mentioned in Colin Wilson’s book ‘The Outsider’, about Existentialist writers, lent to me in the early ’60’s – my favourite author of them was Albert Camus).
I often did that, chasing up other authors and titles mentioned in books I was reading.
My local library (about four doors from me) were extremely helpful, getting books from libraries all over Britain, even from the British Library, especially old books on witchcraft amongst other subjects.
@ Paul Barbara January 20, 2019 at 22:14
I meant to say Jimmy Walter fled the US because of serious harassment over his attempts to expose the truth.
“They made us many promises, more than I can remember, but they kept but one. They promised to take our land, and they took it.”
Red Cloud, Ogla Sioux
and hence the title to Philip Weeks (Ed) work:
They Made us Many Promises: the American Indian Experience 1524 to the Present.
But Clarke is right things are never B/W & it is usually always worth exploring the detail and the stories.
Paul’s heart is in the right place. If I can just get communication started between the poles of his brain he could prove really useful.
They sold half their land for booze and rifles. Then they got drunk and fought whitey and lost the other half.
Mind that mouth when you reach the Pearly Gates; I’m not sure St Peter was white.
“They sold half their land for booze and rifles. Then they got drunk and fought darkey and lost the other half.”
Who? the British in two world wars?
The two main things the white man brought the native Americans were disease and the capacity to astonish. “Nobody else could believe, until it was much too late, how heartless and greedy they were.” (Kurt Vonnegut Jr, Breakfast of Champions)
Their land was confiscated/drowned in the last century by the USA government’s dam construction mania. See Cadilac Desert for a sobering read.
Fluffy would stand astride the border & would be played like a football. We don’t want him but then I don’t suppose England has any use for yet another useful idiot.
Grima Wormtongue would hunker down and move whichever way the winds would be blowing at the time.
@Charles Bostock: who says:
“(Or, for that matter, the children of the egregious Mr John Pilger and Mr Ken Loach….)
(Mr Seumas Milne himself was educated at Winchester and Balliol (PPE), thus following in the footsteps of his own father Mr Alasdair Milne (former BBC Director General), who attended Winchester and New College).”
What is so egregious about Ken Loach and John Pilger? The man deserves a Nobel Peace Prize – unlike Neo-cons like Kissinger who really is egregious.
The individuals that really are egregious are those who are greedy for power and greedy for financial gain and they permeate both communism and capitalism. However in the present world, so-called ‘Free Market’ Capitalism, with its unregulated plundering, reigns supreme and that is were most of the damage is being done to the planet and the population.
Communism may have proved to be disastrous but that should not logically infer that ‘Free Market’ Capitalism is a success or is the only way to do things. In reality, the reason why Communism has failed is because it has invariably taken the same course as Capitalism i.e. it has become corrupted and dominated by self-seeking and secretive power elites.
Garth.
I’d imagine the likes of Charles and Able, see Pilger as pro-Russian, and Ken Loach’s latest film doesn’t show Old Blighty in a particularly good light. I myself find Loach and Pilger most agreeable.
Old Nick himself, Kissinger, is their type of guy.
@ Garth Carthy January 20, 2019 at 17:39
‘… it has become corrupted and dominated by self-seeking and secretive power elites….’
Exactly, just like most ‘Religions’, and knowledge and inventions.
Albert Einstein is claimed to have said: “The release of atomic power has changed everything except our way of thinking … the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind. If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker. (1945)”
Speaking on loyalty,
‘What’s it like being a traitor?’: BBC’s Sweeney’s self-love over Sputnik tells its own story
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/449279-sweeney-sputnik-traitor-question/
A spot of bother over name calling
Macedonia and Greece: Clashes in Athens over neighbour’s name change
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46938371
Protesters have clashed with police in the Greek capital Athens at a big rally to oppose the government’s deal with Macedonia on changing its name.
Police fired tear gas at some of those attending a protest which attracted tens of thousands to the city.
It seems things are not going too well for member states of the E.U.
many citoyens are unhappy how things are turning out, everybody feels they are at the bottom of the pile, while a few do too well.
“Some members of the Greek parliament have received death threats intended to influence their vote.”
Many M.P.’s all over the World, now despise their constituents and see them as the other.
Yet, these disgusting M.P.’s should know they are supposed to be the servants of the people,
not the masters of the people.
Are there any pictures of the Skripals at the bench with said young woman?
Call me a cynic if you like – but I have yet to see any videos or photos of the Skripals in Salisbury that day.
Not even feeding ducks – eating or drinking or anything that Crimewatch would show of a victim prior to their demise.
The London Bridge videos in the media were tactless.
Fiona Bruce where are you when we need you?
Talking colluding nonsense on Question Time I’ll bet.
Off topic but interesting. The Graun reports an award given to a teenager who was a first responder in the Skripal Case. She was nominated by her mother.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jan/20/novichok-poisoning-victims-sergei-skripal-first-helped-by-teenage-girl
Report fails to mention who her mother was.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/01/coincidence-chief-nurse-of-the-british-army-was-the-first-person-to-arrive-at-the-novichoked-skripal.html#more
I now see that the report does mention her mother’s army rank etc. I am almost certain this has been added to the original. I read it twice.
Check NewsSniffer; it shows edits and updates.
@ Bill Marsh January 20, 2019 at 19:18
Was it awarded posthumously? Dreadful stuff, that Novichoks.
The Labour Party would do well to ditch Mr Jeremy Corbyn. You will see in the fullness of time that he is as much a disaster for the party and its chances of electoral success as was the late Mr Michael Foot in 1983.
BTW, has the “membership pf the Labour Party” told him yet what Labour policy re Brexit should be (dixit Mr Ian Lavery, the left-wing Chairman of the PLP)?
They’d better get their finger out – lots of voting next week! 🙂
What is the point of this post?
Bill
The point of this post is to suggest that the Labour Party would do well to pension off Mr Jeremy Corbyn if it is serious about wishing to form the next government.
Unfortunately Charles the winds are let loose and the Neoliberal economic theifdom is being challenged by a greater force than Corbyn. Your endless propaganda is booring.
If it is boring, why don’t you just scroll past? Why do you feel impelled to inform us that you’re bored?
Well, nobody in the Tory party tells May what to do. She apparently makes it up second by second as she goes along. A bit like Grocer Heath’s organ improvisations.
@ D_Majestic January 20, 2019 at 19:57
Leave the Pinochet-lovin’ ‘Milk Snatcher’s’ organs out of this – this is a ‘decent’ Blog!
“The Labour Party would do well to ditch Mr Jeremy Corbyn”
A refrain issued by every reactionary in the two years before the last election – when Corbyn increased Labour’s share of the vote by more than any other leader in any other election since 1945.
An election in which Labour didn’t even target Tory seats and in which the only age group among whom the Tories prevailed was the over 65s.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/conservative-voters-dying-off-lord-michael-heseltine-tory-part-elderly-support-base-pensioners-a7798386.html
Michael Foot in 1983 refers.
Mr Jeremy Corbyn shares most of the late Mr Michael Foot’s ideas. He is an anachronism and the British voter (except, perhaps, the Scots) does not favour anachronisms.
The trouble is, Labour aren’t exactly overflowing with equally principled, young, bright alternatives. Most people can see his failings and lack of ability, but:
People who support Corbyn, do so because there’s some certainty over how he’ll react in any given scenario. He’s not a hawk , he’s incorruptible – no £70 million mystery fortune shortly after leaving office as per another recent PM. He’s basically the antidote to New Labour to the membership.
Not a member myself btw.
Goose
” because there’s some certainty over how he’ll react in any given scenario.”
Really? His ducking and weaving, his havering and his long silences over Brexit would seem to indicate the contrary.
Well when the Tories accused Corbyn of taking us back to the Seventies little did we realise that the Tories wanted that too.
Problem is the Tories meant the 1870’s.
See Jacob Rees Smug for details.
If he’s not available ask one of his butlers.
@ Ken Kenn January 20, 2019 at 23:01
Nice one!
I thought Rees Smug was the butler, May was the over-worked cook, Fox himself, grinning over the mantlepiece, Boris was the parlour-maid , always getting pregnant, in an upstairs ,downstairs soap called The Borrowers in which the imaginary Upstairs inhabited by grown-ups is never seen but ever present.
We are now in the inverse of the stabbing of Thatcher in the back by her own MPs, whereby the PM is so indoctrinated to always be nice to the public, and the gangsters in her cabinet mentioned above, plot to destroy the British public. The dark, satanic force in this Horror film is Clegg’s revenge, evilly manipulating the British public with algorithms from facebook. The roof of No 10 will be taken off next week in case it may have absorbed fumes from Drain-Unblock, the mixture of Scotch whisky and caustic soda with which plumbing engineers have tried to clear the Brexit block. May wakes up in a sweat and looks at the door-knobulous which looks like Juncker trying to kiss her.
“You could be a bit of undigested French cheese” and all goes quiet.
Charles: a reactionary talking about anachronisms? FEEL the irony!
The Labour party with the biggest membership of any European party?
Most of whom joined up because of Corbyn?
Should they change their mind because you are scared of him winning a general election?
If it hadn’t been for the traitorous neocon/lib moles in Labour splitting the Labour vote, the SDP1, Foot would have ended the Thatcherite project before it got really going.
Do you think you are making a blind bit of difference here? Or doesn’t it matter?
Charles, the neoliberal project has run its course. It has impoverished too high a proportion of the population and consequently the economy is suffering, because they cannot afford to spend. It has diverted too much wealth to the stinking rich, who have squirrelled off into tax havens where it simply stagnates, depriving government of revenues.
This is the thing with two-party systems; you need a party of the right and a party of the left; the system simply can’t dance when it has two right feet, any more than it could with two left ones. I’d like Mr Corbyn to win the next election, but even if he doesn’t we’re still better off with him leading the Labour Party than we would be with yet another neoliberal. Just look at France.
A far greater danger to our two party system is that squabbling over the EU will split the Tory party, leaving no credible right foot. But I’m not too worried. For a start, Jeremy Corbyn is not nearly so far to the left as you seem to imagine; nationalisation of utilities is popular with the voters and the norm in most sensible countries. But in any case it takes time to turn the Juggernaut of State, and a credible party of the right will re-establish during a term of Labour.
What is the actual shitshow about that has brought us to this point? It’s hard to form a view on whether a credible right-wing party would re-establish were there to be a period of Labour government unless that question is answered. The government could have come up with a draft withdrawal agreement a year ago but they didn’t, and the foot-dragging must have been deliberate. The way all the politicians and most commentators are talking about the “real danger of large-scale damage to the social fabric” etc. if Brexit is revoked or if there’s another referendum (probably some have also said it in relation to a mere extension) makes me think that most of them probably don’t actually believe it – or at least not that it will go much further than it did in 1974 at the time of the oil crisis; and – this is not a contradiction – that a small much more powerful group DOES think it and wants to bring it on.
Those who know when there’s going to be turmoil and some of the lines along which it will propagate can net themselves big money. But more that that, as well as preparing for food shortages the indications are that some are reaching towards a big button marked “race war”. Anyone who thinks this is an exaggeration should consider that Stephen Bannon is certainly in the “let’s have a race war” camp. He’s not actually a “white supremacist” as far as I can tell (Tony Blair came pretty damned close to that position in his subtext when he put his head up the time it looked as though he might be about to emerge as a leading figure in a new party), but that he wants race war is totally clear from how he thinks “Camp of the Saints” is such a great novel with such an important message for our time. Areas of several British cities have had a “tinderbox” status for some time, as is recognised (albeit with rabies) by many serving personnel in the army.
Political-psychological advisers and strategists know very well that human beings in this culture are far more likely to get excited, and likely to get much more excited too, about regaining 10 pence that has been snitched from our pockets than we are about getting hold of 10 pence that we didn’t have before. That’s in Behavioural Economics 101.
This is where the meme of the betrayal of Brexit comes in.
Any “crowd” response won’t be logical. Crowds don’t think logically. Otherwise there’d be no negative feeling about the regulation on straight cucumbers, a fruit that almost everybody slices into thin discs, at which point there’s no way of telling whether the item before slicing was ramrod straight or shaped like a bagel.
And…the repressed tends to return…
Yes I agree, and it’s depressing. My comment was based on the assumption that we get through without massive upheaval.
Small groups shouldn’t be critically important, and wouldn’t be but for crowd psychology, as you say.
Clark – ” … but even if he doesn’t we’re still better off with him leading the Labour Party than we would be with yet another neoliberal”
Or neocon. This was shown on the “let’s bomb Syria debate”, when Corbyn opposed, and Hilary Benn and the Blairites were for. It was all smoke and mirrors in the end. I think the RAF ended up bombing some ruins for a photo opportunity. The heavy lifting vis a vis Isis was done by the YPG. Camerons ‘freedom fighters’ ended up supporting Turkey’s invasion of Afrin against the Kurds.
For Peter Hitchens Corbyn ” … has a better record on foreign policy than almost anyone in Parliament.”
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2018/03/peter-hitchens-the-patriotic-thought-police-came-for-corbyn-you-are-next.html
Agreed. Neoconservatism and neoliberalism are wedded, possibly joined at the hip.
What happens to the money when its reached the tax havens? Do banks there lend it out at interest or do they keep it as physical money?
Well, the opacity of these tax havens makes it difficult to know, which is very much part of the problem. A lot seems to fund armaments and large scale drug dealing.
“What is so egregious about Ken Loach and John Pilger? The man deserves a Nobel Peace Prize – unlike Neo-cons like Kissinger who really is egregious.”
.
Exactly!
If there is a Second Referendum, before we have left the EU, then I am never going to vote again, because there would be absolutely no point.
It will have been confirmed that we do not live in a Democracy, but a Fascist Dictartorship.
I do have a yellow vest…in the cupboard under the stairs
How do you like it???
Lots of working class people like me, are going to get exceedingly angry.
Nigel Farage, does a goot act, but he has always been a part of The British Establishment…
….Barrow Boy from The City. He doesn’t want The UK to Leave The EU.
He never did.
He was just the poster boy.
Tony
Sky news press review , guests ( conservative thinker ) saying that it was the GRU that linked Steele to Skripal and to Pablo Miller ! How these people can actually sit there and lie is beyond me . I wonder will they deny miller recruited Skripal and yes miller did work for steele’s company Orbis and there’s records of it in forums .
Well it was the lightweight Christina Patterson mouthing off. Aided and abetted by a drip from Conservative Home. It was their turn tonight to produce the anti-Russian propaganda.
It’s now on the telegraph . It’s astoundimh how they lie . They say this is to sow doubts on the Steele dossier , they forget Steele has admitted the unreliability of his own dossier and that he was hired by Hilary Clinton’s people , in court in the several libel cases he faced and is facing .
Now.. I don’t want to sound Anything Other than Self Defence –
Is Syria Not Justiifed, in Actacking the Israeli terrorists
..Daft Question ..But..
If there was nothing to the story, why would they issue a D notice?
Another one of Ms Dick’s bright ideas hits the deck.
Watching you. Watching us. Watching you.
‘£200k on facial recognition and zero arrests: UK police slammed for wasting public money
The Metropolitan Police spent over £200,000 on facial recognition trials that yielded zero results, prompting questions about wasting public money (and violating the public’s privacy) to no benefit, it has been revealed.’
Jan 19, 2019
https://www.rt.com/uk/449209-met-police-facial-recognition-fail/
@ Sharp Ears January 20, 2019 at 23:17
They could at least test them out on the ‘two faces’ of OBL.
That’s rather an interesting idea. Has anyone done it?
@ King of Welsh Noir January 21, 2019 at 08:53
I believe the technology is on the net, but I’m not savvy enough to do it.
Here is one: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-gb/services/cognitive-services/face/
The answer, though, is so obvious – a kid could see the difference.
Pinch of salt required:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10723264
– “it was facial recognition software that identified bin Laden from satellite pictures”
Absolute nonsense. For a start, satellites look down, so it would have to be “top of head recognition”. But the resolution from satellites also falls far short of that needed.
But in any case, there was an informant. I think it was Seymour Hersh who wrote it up. It’s called or has a key phrase something like “we had a walk-in”. The article is very interesting and points out that the US couldn’t have hit the compound without the cooperation of the Pakistani armed forces.
Yes, it was Hersh:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden
https://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/12/seymour_hersh_details_explosive_story_on
🙂 Thanks!
The Evil Bastards are Attacking Damascus Again..Tom Duggan is Live on Fbook.
@ BrianFujisan January 20, 2019 at 23:41
Yep, I just checked it out.
And how about this: https://www.rt.com/search?q=Anabelle+Taub
Yet people lose their jobs in US because they won’t sign a pledge that they won’t boycott the bas*ards.
I don’t believe the US is just ‘letting them get away with it’, I believe they are encouraging them.
It’s criminal what they’re doing and the United Nations in silence and the western media , not a line .
it’s Israel by proxy as well with blessings from USA .
it’s despairing . Criminals with total impunity .
” t’s criminal what they’re doing and the United Nations in silence and the western media , not a line ”
Isa – Correct Thank you
@ BrianFujisan January 21, 2019 at 00:34
Unlike us and the UN, Malaysia socks it to ’em:
‘Fighting on behalf of the oppressed’: Malaysia bans Is*aeli athletes in solidarity with Palestine’:
https://www.rt.com/sport/448950-malaysia-israel-ban-palestine/
@ Isa January 21, 2019 at 00:19
‘..Criminals with total impunity .’
Just like US/NATO.
As an SNP member and Independence supporter since childhood I followed the party line and voted remain.
I even deprecated the leavers in places like Sunderland and Hull as silly old farts.
If the SNP and the remainer MPs manage to engineer a second referendum I will either abstain or vote leave, and to leave on WTO rules.
The EU, even from the summer of 2016 until now, has become in my eyes something unworthy of my support.
The events in France have opened my eyes, may the EU be trod into the dust.
France on top of Greece and Spain.
Indeed. And Italy too.
Mmn
Strang post
the events re Yellow vests
Will it all come to Scotland.. Yes.. Will it be Real Scots doing it NO…Is it all Long Planed.. Yes
Thank you.
The remainers seem to to think all they have to do is have a second referendum and they are guaranteed success.
They are in for a surprise!
In Scotland remain has massively increased from it’s already large majority.
The EU isn’t responsible for the internal affairs of it’s individual ,member states and has no power to interfere. Are you also blaming the EU for the Tory policy of Universal Credit which has caused so much hardship for poor people in the UK? This sort of argument is exactly the one the Brexiters use to condemn the EU for taking away our sovereignty but it is a lie. But very useful for blaming the faults of individual governments on the EU.
Beware of flinging the baby out with the bathwater.
Believe me I see your argument.
I have not reached this decision easily.
I am fully open to the possibility I may be wrong.
J Galt
Sorry..You ARE Wrong
So says Simple Me
@kathy,
“The EU isn’t responsible for the internal affairs of it’s individual ,member states and has no power to interfere”
That statement is simply not true, as the EU dictates to member countries on a range of their internal matters – budgets (look at Italy and Greece), immigration quotas (look at Poland, Austria, Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic and the EU response to them), contributions to the EU budget etc.
Austerity measures in individual countries – UK, France, Italy, Greece, Ireland – are ordered by the EU as part of EU budgeting and contributions.
A few statements on the site tonight about refusing to vote.
What if we remain or not leave on Mays red lines, not with a referendum but a general election?
Still not vote?
This idea of inducing apathy has been promulgated in the msm this last week – heard the shock jocks on LBC encouraging callers to say they hope no one turns out for yet another election.
I mean having made it a regular exercise to reregister on the electoral register – i’ve been at the same address for 20 years, paying the counciltax – they still insist on threatening to remove and removing as many voters as possible. A return to the good old days when Blair turned millions of people off voting. Easier to control a fewer marginals eh?
A turnout of 75% would see almost every seat become a marginal!
Scary for the status quo, innit?