A Question of Loyalty 1016


I was just talking to an old friend in the European Commission about Scottish Independence. He said within the Commission there would now be overwhelming support for it and for immediate Scottish membership of the EU. He then added “But please can you leave Dr Fox with the English?”.

He was joking, but it led me to think about the loyalties of Unionist politicians. I don’t doubt Dr Fox would stay with the English – there will be no power in prospect for Tories in Scotland.

When asked in an interview during the last Indyref where his loyalty would lie if Independence won, then Scottish Secretary Alistair Carmichael replied without hesitation that of course he was a Scot and he would be loyal to Scotland. Where, I wonder, would Fluffy Mundell’s loyalties lie? The border is a short hop for him. Colonel Ruthie Davison has always had her eyes on high office at Westminster, and I expect she would be quickly down the A1. As for Labour, I don’t suppose anyone in England especially wants Richard Leonard. To be fair, I suspect Gordon Brown is not going anywhere and would reconcile himself to being the Scot who, in his own mind, saved the World. Wouldn’t it be lovely if J K Rowling upped sticks and went to be closer to her beloved Tony Blair?

With Scotland in the EU and England outside, would Andrew Neil be allowed to “queue jump” and stay as a top Tory at the England and Wales Broadcasting Corporation? Or would he fall victim to a hostile environment? Surely the mighty Laura Kuenssberg would demand a larger field for her snide right wing jibes than her home country?

I offer the “which way would the unionists jump” game to those of you whose minds have been frazzled by the banal spectacle of the results of British hubris, as relayed to us from Westminster all week. The game works much better with a few drams of Caol Ila.


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  • Republicofscotland

    The founder of the racist EDL, and Pegida’s favourite son, Tommy Robinson, or whatever he’s calling himself these days. Menacingly cornered a SNP MP in a Glasgow library yesterday.

    Stewart McDonald was forced to call the police, fearing Robinson’s racist violent tendencies, the police immediately put the library on full lockdown.

    After the brutal murder of Jo Cox a Labour MP by a far-right Brexiteer sympathiser, the police were taking no chances. McDonald managed to escape and hide, as Robinson was heard to say he’ll probably come out in a burka.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/17369894.far-right-thug-stalks-snp-mp-at-library-surgery/

  • William MacDougall

    It just shows why Scottish independence is so awful: it would force many Scots to make choices they don’t want to make, and would not otherwise have to make…

    • JOML

      As opposed to having no choice under the present set up? I think Scotland needs to grow up and make its own decisions.

      • William MacDougall

        Under the present set up they can be both Scottish and British, so no choice is needed.

        • JOML

          William, an example – the majority of Scottish MPs, MSPs and the public do not want nuclear weapons stored in Scotland but, “under the present set up”, our wishes are totally ignored. Regardless of your views on WMDs, do you think the Scottish people should just accept having no power over this issue and their destiny? Are you aware of the atrocious safety record surrounding nuclear weapons in Scotland over the last 10-15 years?
          You may be happy to accept these conditions (assuming you live in Scotland), but you’d have to be very blinkered not to appreciate why others may not be happy. The following unionists are blinkered, in addition to having other challenges. I’d hope they would leave if Scotland did become independent.
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A

          • William MacDougall

            Being in a Union like the UK or the EU means you have to accept decisions made by the group that you don’t agree with. That is what Scots voted for when they voted to stay in the UK.

    • Lorna Campbell

      Yes, I know. All those hard decisions some people just didn’t want to make: ending slavery; bringing in the NHS and the Welfare State; introducing universal education and the universal vote; stopping young children from being sent up chimneys and down mines or working 20-hour days in dark satanic mills… It is just all so difficult…

      • N_

        That is a ridiculous argument, @Lorna. A person who wants to keep two things they can safely keep without deciding they only want to keep one of them and should throw the other one away isn’t necessarily similar in their attitude to somebody who looks the other way to ignore slavery or the electoral property qualification or long working hours. What you find “difficult” seems to be to construct a reasonable argument in support of separatism.

        Perhaps the fantasy of a Dublin-style “GPO” cum Rhodesian-style “UDI” in Edinburgh is the result of having chosen against winning votes from the middle ground? Imagine the following…

        SNP door canvasser: Don’t you think being British stops you from being Scottish?
        Innocent member of electorate: No.
        SNP door canvasser: Some people didn’t mind about slavery! Some people didn’t mind about infants being sent up chimneys!

        PS Regarding slavery, what about slavery right now in places such as carwashes?

        • Iain Stewart

          Your own highly imaginative arguments are becoming increasingly mirthful, Mr N_ and you are rapidly becoming one of the most amusing acts on Craig’s merry show.

    • Mary

      Mr. MacDougal.

      I don’t think it would be a difficult choice. Many Scots, and English, living in England, are already suggesting that they would like to move north, as they are sick of the behaviour of the UK Govt and their right wing following. Further, as a Scot with relatives in both countries, I have never felt that my views have been undermined by any of my extended family, who have shown a great deal of sympathy for the plight of Scotland’s people.

  • Xavi

    “Leave voters in Labour’s northern, midlands and welsh constituencies now back staying in the EU”; “Corbyn MUST now back a Peoples Vote and campaign hard for Remain”; “Corbyn will sweep the country if he adopts Lib Dem and SNP policy and comes out strongly for Remain”..”Voters will never forgive Corbyn if he doesn’t do everything to try and stop Brexit”
    (copyright Kellner, Toynbee, Freedland, Chukka et al)

    Umm, no.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/19/labour-would-lose-voters-with-stop-brexit-policy-poll-suggests

    • giyane

      Xavi

      Praise be to God, Vince’s Cable shorted out yesterday before the coming election. He did a full uturn like Nick Clegg or like the car in alum rock this morning that crashed through the plate glass and parked in a clothes shop- he was so desperate to get a place inside the Tory government.

      Do keep up. A minute is a long time in politics with no deal chasing our tails next week.
      Radio 4 yesterday interviewed one of the salivating no dealers at lunchtime.
      Why can’t these 1%ers just do their deals with coutries outside the EU and pay their beloved tariffs if they love those tariffs so darling much?

      • giyane

        Classic put down from John Major this morning on Today programme:
        “I thought being called a liar by Boris Johnson was a bit rum.”
        Do We have confidence in this government? Eyes to the right, nose to the left. . That’s not madness, that’s got artistic licence.

    • Ken Kenn

      Watching QE the other night did not con Vince ( pardon the pun) me of that proposition.

      A load of retired people who are definitely not the poor left behinds more like the I’ve done well and I’m keeping it team.

      Re: the Dianne Abbot stuff: Whatever happened there it sounds like they didn’t need winding up at all they sounded like Kipper/Tories who are against Corbyn’s redistribution due to their past experience as to who ends up paying for it in the end even under Blair and his followers.

      Of course as with all cowards they punch down – not up at the real people responsible for the acts.

      They know who is responsible for the state of play but they are scared of the Upper Classes and bow and scrape to them.

      Consequently they hide behind the rich and hope they remain untouched.

      This time it’s different and if they continue to vote Tory and the Financial system collapses they will have to pay the price by bailing in their deposits at the banks.

      Despite their grovelling they won’t escape.

      Gormless and despicable people one and all.

    • Laguerre

      You failed to read the article correctly, Xavi. It said that “Labour would lose voters with a stop-Brexit policy”. That is not what is being proposed. The proposal is for a new referendum, where everyone can have their say, and yes it could reconfirm Brexit.

          • Xavi

            False how? The motivation of all those who are pressurising Corbyn to support a second referendum is to stop Brexit. For some it is also because they know it will be the end of Corbyn if they can tie him to the stop brexit cause.

    • N_

      The media including the liberal-left media or whatever we want to call them are being used in an effort to slaughter Labour, an effort which isn’t only being made in the media. The confidence vote in the Commons was a kick in Labour’s cobblers. Jeremy Corbyn was not a chooser in that action. He was acting in a way decided by adversaries. Which of course sometimes you have to do. While on paper the LibDems’ Brexit policy is good, as also was their opposition to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, I still wouldn’t trust that bunch of arseholes. The pendulum that swung them away from overt support of the Tories in 2015 will start swinging back, because deep down their whole function is to take votes from Labour and weaken Labour. Nerds might reflect too on how it was the LibDems who were responsible for the Fixed Term Parliaments Act.

    • Dave Lawton

      Xavi
      January 19, 2019 at 11:26
      More stupid propaganda from a paper that is a busted flush.Swallow that and you will swallow anything. Someone must be channeling the ghost of Norman Reddaway.

  • nevermind

    Norwich’s Canaries cheered me up tremendously at Carrpw road last night. A well deserved win against the Brummies will bring them a further ste towards the premiere league.
    Norwich 3 Birmingham 1 🙂

  • James

    The people you mentioned all strike me as people who enjoy wielding power – or being close to where it is wielded.

    So my guess is that in the event of Scottish independence they will head south, as they will no doubt judge England, with its pretensions of global power the more attractive choice.

    The only snag from their point of view is that we already have a distinct over-supply of mediocre politicians and hack journalists.

    • Shatnersrug

      Wishful thinking – the Americans will be expected to run the country. With CIA/Mi6 keeping them in place

  • michael norton

    Most of the European car makers are in crisis
    and very little of the crisis is to do with brexit.

    • giyane

      Michael norton

      More to do with Mrs May being terrified of the UK falling behind. So what do they do? Charge £100 per lorry coming into the city centre. Is the Tory party the party of business any more?
      Could we use rickshaws in 2020?

    • Ken Kenn

      They are and it’s due to making and gearing up to produce Diesel cars and finding out that they now need to make Petrol cars.

      French people ( and many many more in the EU ) have lease/deals for Diesel cars where the prices have flipped.

      Just one of the many reasons why they are in the streets.

      Elon Musk’s cars are a little expensive at the moment and I wouldn’t mind betting that a good Chinese bike is hard to come by currently.

      • giyane

        Ken Kenn

        Diesel cars. I presume we don’t mind toxic smoke going into the atmosphere because when petrol and diesel are refined from exactly the same stuff. I remember doing an experiment at school in which we distilled some of it. The toxic fumes still enter the atmosphere from the refinery in one form or another even is not in our urban space.

        Electric cars cannot be heard, which makes them incredibly dangerous to pedestrians in towns and cities. I’ve no objection to oversized Park and ride centres on the outskirts of towns, so that goods can be transferred to electric goods vehicles in the towns. But can we please stop thinking that the nanny state knows best. It only knows what its own little think-tanks are commissioned to tell it. Like the BBC only tells us what the government’s own little think-tanks are commissioned to tell us.

        This is Burkean purgatory, where humans are punished for offences they didn’t know were offences, because those in charge restrict the necessary information for people to make their own choices.
        And those that ask awkward questions beyond what the authorities want them to know are punished for seeking the truth. Damned if I do; damned if I don’t.
        And yet , as I have mentioned before, the major manufacturers are given a totally green light to criss-cross the planet with their juggernauts as much and as inefficiently as they like. Carrying the words GREEN in huge letters, just like the warmongers carry the slogans of PEACE.

        • Mary Paul

          Mr Pau! was nearly run over by an electric car the other day. The road looked clear both ways and he could not hear anything so stepped out to cross – when an electric car came suddenly appeared bearing down on him. Mr Pau! jumped out of the way and disaster was averted. He said he could not believe how completely silent it was and how much we must be attuned to seeing as well as hearing them.

          If we are concerned about air pollution how about more policies to do something about the polluting diesel HGVs on our road, and indeed spewing out from planes.

          • Iain Stewart

            Perhaps Mr Paul’s hearing has diminished with his declining years, but if his eyesight is still good maybe he noticed whether this electric car had Remanian number plates?

        • Sharp Ears

          The RT report on today’s protests.

          1000s of police on guard as Yellow Vests hit streets in France for 10th week in a row
          19 Jan, 2019
          https://www.rt.com/news/449190-yellow-vest-protests-act10/

          ‘The Yellow Vest protests began in November as a movement against planned fuel tax hikes, but eventually grew to include wider demands, including the resignation of President Emmanuel Macron and his government.

          Previous rallies have seen violent clashes with police. There have been injuries on both sides, and over 1,000 people have been detained in connection to the unrest, which has at times spilled out into street battles.’

          • Laguerre

            Well the RT report is wrong. I haven’t seen a single Gilet Jaune today, and no demo on the Champs Elysées. My friend says there are some the other side of Paris, but it’s a marked decline compared to last week. Of course it’s cold and wet.

            But it’s also due to Macron’s new policy of citizen assemblies where he goes to different regions (yesterday Toulouse) and debates their complaints with people for three hours or more, and puts it live on telly. Good stuff, apparently (I haven’t seen it myself). May would do well to adopt the same policy in Britain – but of course we know she won’t, she’ll only talk to highly controlled selected groups likely to be favourable to her. That’s one reason that Britain’s going down the drain.

          • michael norton

            Laguerre, I think you must walk on the posh side of town, if you never see any Yello Jacket protestors, never see any police inflicting violence on the public?
            Gilets Jaunes: French ‘flash-ball’ row over riot-gun injuries,
            one fireman in a coma because of flash balls
            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46917989
            so far ten dead

          • bj

            Laguerre, RT (internet) has for the past weeks put on a live stream of the protests in Paris. Every Saturday at around 1400 till prob. around 1800 they had a camera crew covering the protests, streaming it live via RT internet (I don’t have television). Four hours uninterrupted.

            For the past weeks it had focused near the CC and l’Arc, but today it was in a section of Paris that didn’t look familiar. One of the boroughs? Lots of police hose trucks arrest teams, etc., as usual. Pretty good crowds too. But the brunt of it has passed, I agree.

          • Laguerre

            Norton, I didn’t say I never saw any Yellow Jellos. I said I didn’t today, last week I did, as I indeed said on this site. And RT cherry-picking minor incidents, where the surviving GJs are trying hard to stir up a volley of tear-gas grenades, don’t impress me. The far right GJ leader, Drouet, who went to court last week under the flashes of hundreds of journalists cameras, admitted that he got himself arrested deliberately. That’s what you need to do to keep a dying movement going, and provoking les flics to launch a few tear-gas grenades. Only Brits are too naive to see it, like they thought they thought they could vote for Brexit and all the problems would be over on the 30th March, once the line had been crossed. That’s when the problems will be beginning.

          • Laguerre

            Pete, It’s incredible to my mind that you take seriously a Mail report which shows a couple of hundred protesters, not more in the photos, who admittedly go for violence, as a movement of significance, especially when it’s the Mail reporting it. Brits seem to have lost any minimum of commonsense, as indeed the national madness over Brexit confirms.

      • N_

        Please can any rich Tory reading this invest all their money in companies run by Elon Musk.
        Thanks!

  • Blissex

    «Scottish Independence. He said within the Commission there would now be overwhelming support for it and for immediate Scottish membership of the EU.»

    Sure, but the EU Commission is influential but does not run the EU, the heads off the EU27 governments take all the decisions. Anyhow I would think that they would come to the same conclusions, but with more reluctance than the EU Commissions, because some of them are not keen on independendist new states, unless they are carved out of an “enemy” country like Kosovo was.

  • giyane

    A question of loyalty:

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boris-johnson-warned-of-reprisal-attacks-if-isil-beatles-pair-executed-in-us/ar-BBSqRFr?ocid=ientp

    Iblis Johnson used his slot at the Tory Conference to argue for clemency for Islamic State terrorists.
    Where was the traditional refusal to negotiate with terrorists, or to allow ourselves to be threatened by terrorists? Boris Johnson was talking a few metres away from where I work in Birmingham. The college boasts a fully functioning gender diversity , ethnicity diversity and religious diversity policy. Great.
    But we didn’t know one of the biggest supporters of proxy Islamist terrorists was yacking his stupid head off at the end of the street. This is a prime example of Mr Johnson’s Tory hypocrisy. Why doesn’t he join Islamic State and try to open his toad of Toad Hall over-size gob under the guard of his darling proxies?
    Their philosophy is permanent war, fascism, end of free opinion, free speech, free religion, free choice.

    Doesn’t it tell us something about the No Deal Tories that they support the chaos in the Middle East?
    Out of the total chaos and spiralling inflation of WTO tariffs, they would now be able to flog us cheap products from the Far East or genetically modified products from the US. We will have to pay massive tariffs on what we buy now from Europe so that they can get their dodgy products cheap.

    I ask again, because nobody responded the first time: If the No Deal Tories like tariffs so much, and yesterday the CEO of Nissan was explaining that Nissan pays lots of WTO tariffs, why can’t they just pay them and import whatever they want? The whole country is being held to ransom by a tiny clique from the 1%
    who support zionism and Zionist terrorism and then dare to threaten us with terror here in the UK if their proxy terrorists are not quickly released.

    Jeremy Corbyn is totally within his rights not to negotiate with people from this clique.

  • Gary

    Independence for Scotland was cause the same question to be raised as with UK leaving the EU, ie what to do with the ‘ex-pats’

    No doubt there would be some kind of agreement made whereby people could stay where they lived and worked and would follow along the lines of the agreements made when Ireland gained its independence ie being able to travel freely and work freely in the other state. BUT there would, no doubt, be shrill voices in Westminster calling for those born in Scotland to have to ‘choose’ citizenship and/or have lived in rUK for a qualifying period. There would then, perhaps within a decade or two, be some schadenfreude from those of us North of the Border when the populace in rUK realised they’d been sold a pup all these years over the ‘Too Wee, Too Poor, Too Stupid’ propaganda.

    But, like many things, it’s easy to hide the truth in plain site. ROI is recovering/has recovered far faster from the ‘Credit Crunch’ than the UK. But try and find a report on our television or print news that will disclose this fact!

    The BBC, in particular, are good at burying news items they don’t want brought to our attention. And, THEY say, that this does NOT breach their code to do so.

    50,000 anti-austerity protestors on the march in London, gets a few words buried deep on the BBC News Website, SNP (with ALL the other opposition parties aside from Labour) table a motion of no-confidence – not reported by the BBC at all.

    I complained about both and was suitably fobbed off, of course. On the latter ‘report’ (or lack thereof) I took the complaint to the next level as they had flat out failed to respond to why no mention of it was made on their website (where even local storied get a mention) and so I got the following reply (NB the mention ‘Wings Over Scotland’ as I quoted it as the source for my ‘discovery’ of the story.

    So, for you information and edification, if not your entertainment, please read the SECOND tier fob off:

    “Hello Gary, and many thanks for getting back in touch recently.
     
    My name is David and I am a senior member of the BBC Audience Services department’s investigation team with responsibility in this area, and so your complaint has been assigned for my personal attention.
     
    I was naturally concerned to learn that you were unhappy with my colleague Philip Young’s earlier reply (case number: CAS-5238121), but I should clarify that his response related to all BBC News outlets including our website, because they are all handled by our central newsroom.
     
    On the tabled vote of no confidence back in December which you referred to, clearly that was never going to be granted Parliamentary time, a point mentioned by those outlets which chose to mention it briefly on the day.
     
    Obviously things have moved on considerably in the meantime, with the Labour Leader now tabling a vote of no confidence – because this comes from the Leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition in the House of Commons, it does get – and indeed has been granted – debate time and a vote, thus it is a tangible matter which we have therefore very prominently reported upon as such.
     
    As you can see, such things are in reality all about the specific context and whilst I appreciate you are unhappy about coverage in relation to the earlier tabling, it must be borne in mind that Wings Over Scotland have their own political views on matters, the media generally, and the BBC specifically but this isn’t something we can comment on as they’re entitled to their own opinions of course.
     
    This all being the case, in terms of our published complaints process whilst we thank you for contacting us and we appreciate that you were dissatisfied with our previous response and felt strongly enough to write to us again, having read and noted your points we don’t consider they suggest evidence of a possible breach of standards. Opinions do vary widely about the BBC and its output, but this does not necessarily imply there has been a breach of standards or of the BBC’s public service obligations. For this reason we regret we don’t have more to add to our previous correspondence, and so will not respond further or address more questions or points.”

    As you can see, they weren’t ACTUALLY rude to me, just…
     

    • Charles Bostock

      To me it looks as if the BBC was incredibly tolerant of you. You seem like a professional sort of anti-BBC complainer and you’re probably on the BBC’s books as such. I wonder how much of the taxpayers’ money goes wasted taking care of people like you.

      • giyane

        Snickers

        You always manage to combine the crunchiness of eating cockroaches with the colour of the place they reside.

        • bj

          That person has been raised bad.

          Everyone knows that you don’t kick downwards, you always kick upwards. It’s a matter of ‘noblesse’.
          Except this one, always cozying up to power.

        • Republicofscotland

          Lets not forget it’s an oppressive apartheid state as well. Backed by Britain and the USA.

      • Deb O'Nair

        “I wonder how much of the taxpayers’ money goes wasted taking care of people like you.”

        Wonder no more because the taxpayer does not fund the BBC, but I do wonder how much of the BBC licence payers money goes wasted taking care of political propaganda for the Tories.

    • giyane

      In other words the BBC is not a public service provider but a government service provider, otherwise they would tell you what is in the wider public’s interest. When that government also happens to be mainly a “friend ” of Israel, the BBC is an Israeli Government service provider or ZBC.
      As we all know it is no longer possible to Listen Live to the BBC without giving the BBC the means to identify your personal details which in turn it can forward to the intelligence agencies automatically.
      This is comparable to the so called free elections in countries like Syria where families fear reprisals if they vote for a different candidate to the dictator in power, or to the much denigrated spying of the Soviet union.

      Strange how an institution can become the same as the institutions the state previously wanted to the institution to censure/ criticise. the Tories once called for a free market economy but when it went bust its critics suddenly became subject of a ” published complaints process ” . In other words we are free to break whatever rules we like , but you are not free to say what you like about what we decided to say or not say.

      IMHO Brexit is all about socialism for the rich. Whatever mistakes they make, the state has to bail them out. Whatever mistakes we make, they are not responsible for bailing us out. This is Tory Britain, and as you say it’s not actually rude to tell you to FOADYFOC (Fred language, not mine) just… it isn’t a complaints system , it’s a system for them to complain about you.

      • Dungroanin

        You can listen to the radio – it is free, propaganda normally is, except brits are easily fooled and pay a regressive poll tax to receive free to air tv!
        As well as pay hundreds of pounds more to sky/virgin/isp’s to watch the beeb on their platforms! Fool once, fool twice…

        ParliamentTV is free too and streamed on the internet for unedited coverage and without the spin of the beeb political mafia.

    • Republicofscotland

      Gary.

      You are of course correct, the BBC is a duplicitous state mouthpiece. Its remit is to push the government’s propaganda, defend the status quo, and report however necessary to thwart among unrests, Scottish independence.

      The BBC can never be relied on for parity and its tentacles stretch near and far. Dont waste your time looking for a fit and proper explanation from the BBC. I suggest hitting them in the pocket where it hurts, pity there’s not a BDS movement against thec BBC.

    • Sharp Ears

      Gary. It was ever thus with the state broadcaster. Compare notes with Robert Stuart and his correspondence with them on their lies about Syria.
      https://bbcpanoramasavingsyriaschildren.wordpress.com/

      Craig also ran a piece about it. https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/10/bbc-propaganda/

      Wayback I discovered from searches that C(r)apita operate the complaints ‘system’ for the state broadcaster from an address in Darlington.

      BBC Mobile | FAQ | How do I contact the BBC? | BBC Complaints
      http://www.bbc.co.uk › BBC Home › FAQ › How do I contact the BBC?
      BBC Complaints. You can complain about the BBC in the following ways: By phone: … bbc.co.uk/complaints. Or write to: BBC Complaints, … Darlington DL3 0UR

      BBC – About us – Help Receiving TV and Radio
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/about_us
      By phone – 03700 100 123; By letter – PO Box 1922, Darlington, DL3 0UR. *How we use your personal information. The BBC will only use your personal details …

      They also run the licence fee gathering operation. ie pay up or we send in the heavies stuff..

    • N_

      @Gary – “BUT there would, no doubt, be shrill voices in Westminster calling for those born in Scotland to have to ‘choose’ citizenship and/or have lived in rUK for a qualifying period.

      What on earth leads you to that conclusion?

      There can be dual citizenship but what there can’t be is an open border for everyone between an EU member state and a state that’s outside the EU and its CU and SM. RUK could of course have no checks on its side if it wished (although it wouldn’t), but if Scotland were in the EU it wouldn’t be allowed to have no checks on its. Try selling that on the doorstep.

      If you want Scottish independence you should address the issue of national minorities in Scotland. Nobody in England has ever demanded that Scottish residents should view themselves as English, but Scottish nationalists frequently hypocritically, winking to each other, say what great “new Scots” residents of Scotland are whose heritage lies in Pakistan, and many of the latter are pleased in a relieved kind of way when Pakistan beats England at cricket because they say that then “everyone is happy”. You might think that’s amusing but there are more residents in Scotland with English heritage than with Pakistani heritage. So how about us all being Jock Tamson’s bairns?

  • Tatyana

    Mr. Murray’s recent post about racism, and discussion on this fact have revealed to me that I lack knowlege on the problem.
    I also feel like a bear in a porcelain shop, when I use words and they are percieved as pejorative.

    Can please someone advise me a short reading about modern understanding of racism and anti-semitism? I feel like my understanding is outdated.

    * to not harm this site, can I please ask you to send your advice to my e-mail? natabijoux @ gmail dot com

      • Tatyana

        MaryPaul, I comment on this blog and I understand they are live people, those behind the pseudonims, so I try to be as polite and respectful as possible.
        If I remember it right, you were asking once a correct word to address a person from Asia? The same with me, I’m not about annoying or insulting people with the usage of wrong words. I try to find safe terms to call the facts of reality.
        I also understand, that some facts of reality must be described in a special cautious way, or even not mentioned at all. My plea for educational reading is for purpose of understanding what are modern ‘do-s and do not-s’.

        • Mary Paul

          This was not a cynical comment on my part. The Macpherson report of 1999 into racism in the police The Macpherson report delivered a damning assessment of the “institutional racism” within the Metropolitan police and policing generally. It made 70 recommendations many aimed specifically at improving police attitudes to racism and provided a definition of what constituted a racist incident as follows: “The definition of a “racist incident” will now include incidents categorised in policing terms both as crimes and non-crimes. It will now encompass “any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person”. A new Code of Practice will record all such crimes”. This definition is now widely used to determine if an incident is racist and there have been a number of prosecutions on this basis.

      • Harry Law

        Any criticism of Israel [like for instance calling] Israel ‘a racist state’ is considered racist by the Labour party rules.Israels
        new nation-state law should read ‘Jewish only’. Israel’s 1950 Basic law calling for Jewish immigration only is inherently racist plus their are over 50 Israeli Laws which directly or indirectly discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel https://www.adalah.org/en/content/view/7771

        Imagine if the UK had in its statutes, and the USA had in its constitution measures to ensure only white people had the right to immigration [one of Israel’s basic laws is only Jews have the right to immigration into Israel]. Continuing the analogy with Israel’s recently passed ‘Nation-State’ [basic law].

        1. “The states of the UK and the US are the nation-states of the ‘white people”.

        2. “The actualization of the right of national self- determination in the states of the UK/USA is unique to white people”

        3. “The UK/USA will labour to ensure the safety of sons of white people”.

        4. “The UK/USA will act to preserve the cultural, historical and religious legacy of white people among the Diaspora”.

        5. “The UK/USA views ‘white’s only’ settlement as joint national values and will labour to encourage and promote its establishment and development”.

        Now let us look at one of the IHRA examples which the Labour Party have incorporated into the Labour Party rule book:

        “Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination – e.g. by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavour”.

        Who could deny that examples 1 to 5 above if incorporated into UK and US law would prove 100% that the UK and US were inherently racist and that their ‘existence were racist endeavors’ and that anyone in the UK/US [including Jeremy Corbyn] who disapproved of 1 to 5 above, and said so, would fall foul of the IHRA definition, be accused of being Anti Semitic and drummed out of associations like the Labour Party and possibly ostracized from society for life. Disgraceful.

      • N_

        @Mary – Yep, that is the ludicrous policy that is used in many schools (with “perceives” replaced by “states”), although I don’t think it applies (am I mistaken?) when a white pupil states their belief that they have been the victim of a racist incident, nor when they have been involved in an altercation with an Asian or other foreign-heritage student and BOTH allege racism on the part of the other person.

        Many schoolteachers and “official-brained” people in Britain (“партийный” types as they were called in the USSR) will defend the said ludicrous policy largely because it’s far above their pay grade to think about challenging it and if they oppose it they will get the sack. Ditto if they grumble about it where the employers can hear, or where a fellow employee at their own or a lower level in the hierarchy can hear and who will inform on them. So they internalise it.

        The more intellectual ones, usually in higher ranks, will imply – usually without saying so explicitly – that the policy is good because it’s “natural” for the individual – including the individual official – to be racist; and that in such circumstances if there were no collective cultural position expressed in formal rules to upheld “anti-racism”, then atavistic “nature” would win out.

        It really is hard to exaggerate the amount of absolute c*ck that is talked about racism and xenophobia in Britain. If all people including white people were encouraged to talk about their feelings and fears and experiences in an honest and open way and to listen to others doing the same, we might actually get somewhere. But we are million miles from this – most British people when speaking in the public sphere feel honour bound to act as if they have never thought or done anything that is in the slightest bit xenophobic – and we are going in the wrong direction.

        In short, there is no гласность here, @Tatyana. I am mulling over whether to email you 🙂 I like talking about Britain to interested people from outside this country. It makes me feel freer.

    • bj

      Tatyana, don’t even go there.

      In one country, a person considered an anti-semite for criticizing Israel, stepping on a plane, flying across borders, can turn midair from being that anti-semite to, stepping out on the tarmac a hundred miles farther, being just a respected critic of an apartheid regime.

      These days, the epithet ‘anti-semite’ is legalese for hating war criminals and murderers.
      Thus, it is fast, as it were, becoming a ‘nom d’honneur’.

      You see, it’s a mine field, thought up by extremists, laid out by fanatics and given exegesis by the useful idiot following.

      • Tatyana

        bj, thanks for your opinion, but excuse me please, I’m going to built one of my own 🙂

        * btw, I finally understand your joke!
        https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/01/a-question-of-loyalty/comment-page-1/#comment-819706
        ** btw btw
        do you believe in coincidences? One of my favourite songs is “Billie Jean” by Michael Jackson. More good emotions on seeing your name here 🙂 Look, what I’ve got, a remarkable cover by Panagiotis Vitzilaios, mix of rock ballad (I clearly hear some resemblance with the Scorpions) and pop music.
        https://plus.google.com/u/0/+NataBijoux/posts/KdXa6EasFHz
        *** btw btw btw
        Do you sing by chance, bj?

        • bj

          Tatyana, yes you should of course form your own opinions; I didn’t want to push my own upon you, I’m sorry.

          I watched the video. That guy has a good voice –if I’m any judge– but… I still liked the original by MJ better.

          The only thing I ever did was sing or hum along with songs now and then. I don’t have the lungs or voice to do that anymore after I broke my neck over a year ago.

          • Tatyana

            I’m so sorry to know this, bj! I wish you fully recover and very soon!
            Religious peole use to say ‘I pray for you’, me saying – I wish you speedy recovery and I wish your health in perfect state as soon as possible. Remember, a person from Russia thinks of you and wishes you everything good.
            If you wish to sing sometime – do it and remember me 🙂 I’m a human being on this planet that cares of you 🙂 Stay awake, there are a lot of things we can change, broken neck or something else – it doesn’t matter, untill you wish to live up to the hilt.

            I’m not touching that door handle 🙂

          • bj

            Tatyana, those are kind thoughts and kind words. Thank you, they strengthen me.
            You have a good soul, and it is very charming to know that in that vastness that is Russia, there is you, that cares.
            I do think fondly, and with great dearness of you, Tatyana.

          • Tatyana

            next time you think that singing is for some talanted people – just listen again to my record 🙂 found it on my phone, recorded while I was entertaining myself with singing, while driving my car all alone from Moscow to Kransodar last year 🙂
            I tried my best! but my nusband and my father keep saying “a bear stepped on your ear”
            https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxGlAfs4uW8EYjRLTEJGQkJyOHhZc0JLUTJzcnZCdUZvbVFj
            —-
            *my phone records every call, as Victoria Scripal said. Surprised to know that. Xiaomi Redmi note 4.

          • Tatyana

            🙂 and, as an apology, when your ears stop bleeding 🙂 just hear to these great singers

            Danyl Johnson, look how easily he gains the sympathy of his audienece! he is a singer who is a fantastic translator as well. Translator of one’s feelings to be received by another humane being.
            https://youtu.be/mzj9z8QDTfU?list=PLvowIPoyZDEN0mypqvpmlV6HWDd3k6Me2

            my best treasuries stored in my collection are:
            an indian girl, singing a song. We remember the movie Ali-baba and 40 bandits, the song is from that movie. Indian music has its particular note structure, it’s amazing to find a harmony similar to a european ear in it. Magic of music, mathematics and harmony.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0b0T6xRWos

            another girl, a little girl, from Ukraine, strong voice, good singing, excellent actor
            https://youtu.be/FM5wOha_F-Y?list=PLvowIPoyZDEN0mypqvpmlV6HWDd3k6Me2

            and an adult girl, again from Ukraine (charming voices origin from Ukraine!)
            “can you please treat us with an a-capella singing – the judges ask the girl. they suspect her of using a voice-effect device”
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH3VnjxYGd8

        • N_

          @Tatyana – I just read that other comment.

          “The Shetlands” is wrong and ignorant because it’s not what people from Shetland call Shetland, but it is not insulting. It is quite funny though how some Shetlanders insist on referring by analogy to “Faroe”, when “Faroe” is in fact wrong because the Faroese word for the Faroe Islands is “Føroyar” which means (no sh*t) “the Faroe Islands”!

          Just don’t call Shetlanders “Scottish”, because that’s not how most of them see themselves. The Shetland flag is flown all over the place in Shetland and you will probably also see a few British flags, but I didn’t see a single Scottish one.

          Those who want to get deeper into the “question of ‘the’ ” should look at how so many people refer to Britain as “the UK”. As well as including the word “the”, that phrase refers explicitly to no country whatsoever but only to the monarchist regime that a particular country remains burdened with. Brits who use this nomenclature are akin to stereotypical and very probably non-existent uneducated peasants in France in 1700 who couldn’t say “France” but preferred to say “His Majesty’s Domain”, without realising just how thick it makes them appear.

          The use of “UK”, “the UK”, “the UK government” etc, is ideal for those who want to convey the impression that they probably can’t even think for themselves about when to take a crap. It is like a dunce’s cap voluntarily worn by someone who, when asked any question whatsoever, feels that their best answer would be “Dunno. Dunno nothing. You’d better ask at the big house.”

          Of course they don’t actually say you’d better ask at the big house, because that would give the game away. This is Britain. Mustn’t give the game away.

          Twenty years ago the BBC and political commentators didn’t say “the UK government” all the time, nor did they habitually waste syllables by saying “the UK” instead of “Britain”, but about 99.9% of people in the country haven’t noticed this yet and probably wouldn’t realise it even if you told them.

          Saying “Ukraine” rather than “the Ukraine” in English is similarly a modern coinage, not much more than 20 years old. People who say that “the Ukraine” is insulting are usually winding themselves up for no good reason. Why don’t they go the whole hog and say that the very idea of defining somewhere as being “by the edge” (у края) of somewhere else is terribly snooty?

          • JOML

            “Just don’t call Shetlanders “Scottish”, ” – apart from the Shetlanders who regularly follow the Scottish football team. Their motto is, ‘every game is an away game!’.
            N_, You obviously didn’t meet everyone when you visited.

          • Iain Stewart

            When you were teaching history, N_(or whatever it was you’ve retired from) a geography colleague would no doubt have explained to you in the staffroom that “the Shetlands”, like “the Faroes” means the physical islands, whereas Shetland and Faroe are political entities. Anyway, I thought you’d banned all reference to the “UK”, preferring “the Poshboy (something or other I forget, hegemony maybe?)”. And congratulations on researching those English speaking 1700 French peasants. Amazing!

          • N_

            @JOML – True I didn’t meet everyone, but several people there in different contexts told me that nobody from Shetland considers themselves Scottish. From Shetlanders’ point of view, Scotland is somewhere you can sail to from there. About the Shetlanders who follow the Scottish football team, are you sure they view themselves as Scots? After all, there are Rangers fans from Scotland who follow the English team.

          • Al

            You’ve probably made a terrible decision on the timing of a crap.
            I must point out that the United Kingdom is a distinctly different thing to Britain (which can only refer to Great Britain).

  • Harry Law

    Moderators rules for Commenters…
    Any reference to any commenter which is not courteous will lead to the comment being immediately deleted.
    Craig to Jo1..
    What complete bollocks.
    Craig to Geoffrey…
    Don’t be fucking stupid.

    • giyane

      Harry Law

      Oh dear. Scottish culture has an ancient literary type called a Flyting which consists of as many swear words and insults possible. Craig announced he was on the whisky and I made a mental note not to engage because within a short period of time the obvious was starting to happen. Due warning was given. To my mind.

    • Tony_0pmoc

      Harry Law,

      It’s Craig’s blog, and he can write what he likes, and allow, or ban anyone he wants.

      Considering some of the stuff that he writes, we are both lucky to be reading it.

      Few ISP’s in the UK would carry it, or like him they would get sued on a regular basis.

      So feel priveleged, that your words sometimes appear hear. Most of the time mine don’t, but there is no point in complaining.

      Posting here is not a right.

      Someone has actually got to moderate these comments, and they are probably doing it for free.

      Tony

    • Deb O'Nair

      Those are the rules for commenters not authors. It’s the author that makes the rules that commenters have to abide by. It’s just like how the government works; the people who make the rules do not have to abide by them.

      • Harry Law

        Deb O’Nair, Craig’s philosophy should therefore be ‘do as I say not do as I do’, I do happen to agree with most of Craig Murray’s opinions and I admire the courage he has to propagate them, however he has a very annoying habit of destroying his own forcefully held views with needless and sometimes personal invective. Did he used to be a Diplomat?

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Who should really care about loyalty, allegiance, and fealty in today’s Anglo-American world, when the countries are run by just self-promoting loons. I don’t pledge allegiance to anything these days, don’t stand or sing for any patriotic songs, and don’t contribute to any nationalistic efforts?

    If the bosses want me to change, they will have to clean up their ploys.

  • Sharp Ears

    The sea temperature off Garrabulli (NW Libya in the Tripoli district) is between 15C and 16C.
    https://seatemperature.info/libya-water-temperature.html

    120 refugees, or ‘migrants’ as they are referred to in the MSM, left there in a rubber dinghy which has capsized. Only 3 people have been rescued. The poor souls. RIP. They join many others.

    ‘Before the incident on Thursday, the IOM had reported 83 deaths as a result of people trying to cross the Mediterranean already this year. It said the number of migrants and refugees landing on European shores had almost doubled in the first 16 days of 2019 to 4,216, compared to 2,365 over the same period in 2018.

    At least 2,297 migrants died or went missing in the Mediterranean last year.’

    Survivors fear more than 100 migrants may be dead after dinghy capsizes off Libya
    The rubber dinghy sank in the Mediterranean after leaving Libya, prompting the Italian navy to stage a rescue operation.
    https://news.sky.com/story/survivors-fear-more-than-100-migrants-may-be-dead-after-dinghy-capsizes-off-libya-11611809

    • Dungroanin

      Direct responsibility of Clinton and FUKUS enablers Cameron/Sarkozy.

      Blood of innocents and screams of men women and children should hound them and their cursed decedents for ever!

      Psychopaths feel no empathy and laugh at pain of others (which they confuse as having a sense of humour)

  • Terence callachan

    What about people,like Reed , Supreme Court ,he is deputy at present I think ,only way is down and then out for him.
    Once Scotland is independent it is likely that all people holding a UK passport entitlement will have freedom to enter Scotland just like the arrangement that has been in place with UK and Ireland for decades.
    People will not change where they live just because of Scottish independence.
    In time there will be Scottish citizenship legislation and Scottish passport legislation .
    You will be able as now to have an EU passport too as an independent Scotland will likely stay in the EU
    and it is possible some people will be able to have an English or British passport as well as a Scottish passport
    it’s an area that Scotland’s government and England’s government will have to legislate.
    The question is, will busloads of English football supporters come to Scotland and trash the town when England and Scotland play
    England will only get highlights of these games on tv

    • N_

      Once Scotland is independent it is likely that all people holding a UK passport entitlement will have freedom to enter Scotland just like the arrangement that has been in place with UK and Ireland for decades.
      People will not change where they live just because of Scottish independence.
      In time there will be Scottish citizenship legislation and Scottish passport legislation .

      Residents of Scotland who renounce their British citizenship on independence day will be in a bit of a pickle then if they wish to go abroad. Best put a note in the referendum material and SNP independence programme saying “You are advised to keep your British citizenship until Holyrood passes appropriate citizenship legislation in the fullness of time, some time after independence”.

      Why do you call rump Britain “England”? Scottish independence won’t give England its own government.

      • N_

        I am being sarcastic, but my point is that many supporters of Scottish independence have little idea of what independence means. For example they don’t like it that an independent Scotland would, in practice, have to accept numerous obligations under international law, usually enforced where required by foreign judges, and they don’t realise that it would absolutely be taking the piss not to create a Scottish citizenship at the moment the country becomes independent. Independent countries have their own citizenship.

        I recall Nicola Sturgeon saying with regard to passports that yes, your passports will be able to have “Scotland” written on them when they come up for renewal. She really did say that. She may get her photo taken sitting on a sofa like Margaret Thatcher (what next? some version of Holbein’s “Ambassadors”?) but can people seriously talk about such a local-council buffoon as she is in the same breath as say Keir Hardie or John Maclean?

        • JOML

          “many supporters of Scottish independence have little idea of what independence means.“
          N_, you speak as though you currently live in an independent country yourself at the present time. I also assume that I live in the same ‘country’ as you do, so what makes you think that I could not do likewise should I live in a different ‘country’ to you?
          It almost as if you resent the fact that some Scottish people wish to separate from the country you know. Are you happy with your current country?

        • Terence callachan

          Westminster is England’s parliament, they have more MP,s in it than the rest combined.
          Scotland is well used to accepting laws made by England for England presented of course as British and it is that majority of MP,s I mentioned who enforce it.
          As with brexit and the two year period of change applied, Scotland would too have a period for change to take effect, Scottish citizenship would be formulated during that time.
          It’s all very easy,many many countries have done it before, it’s nothing new, Scotland will exit the UK with ease.
          I do hope England doesn’t feel cramped once it opens its eyes to its new borders.
          Independence for England will benefit England in many ways.

  • Wikikettle

    Its ironic that while we strut around the world with our friends causing death and destruction, with all the waste of money, our own legislatures are failing. No wonder I hear adverts for military ‘careers’ and call up for reservists, and ex military criminals calling for a coup if Jeremy got anywhere near power. Don’t worry guys you have all the cards..the BBC, all the MSM, nearly all of the Labour MP’s, the security services, The Bank of England, The CIA, NATO and the rest to stop Jeremy. Its with regret that the population despite access to information which they never had in the past because of the Internet, remain indifferent and will carry on being loyal to the fake orthodoxy and blame the other rather than those Cretins in charge and responsible for our economic and moral decline. Greed and Hypocrisy will destroy us. I blame most the real fifth column, that is the betrayers within Labour MP’s. When we see the troubles of the world from our privileged comfort, I think of those existing in Gaza and feel terrible guilt and perspective runs over me. Loyalty ! what to !?

  • John Goss

    When the demolition of three skyscrapers in 2001 to create the “war on terror” it was time to wake up.

    When Inquiries were used instead of inquests to cover up the truth (Dr David Kelly and Alexander Litvinenko) it was time to wake up.

    When Talha Ahsan and Babar Ahmed were sent by Theresa May to languor in a US maximum security prison 23/24 hours a day it was time to wake up.

    When the UK created a false-flag event in Salisbury to vilify Russia it was time to wake up.

    This article shows how all of us need to wake up to what is happening to our rights. The latest victim is Paul Whelan. He need not be the last. The precedent has been set.

    https://johnplatinumgoss.wordpress.com/2019/01/19/skripals-the-big-uk-blunder/

    • Blissex

      You are forgetting G Williamson’s (and before him, GW Bush, B Obama, D Trump) that he regularly sentences to death in secret dozens to hundreds of citizens suspected of possibly committing future crimes, and having a number of state funded death squads assassinate those so sentenced, anywhere in the world.

    • Charles Bostock

      “When Talha Ahsan and Babar Ahmed were sent by Theresa May to languor in a US maximum security prison..”

      for your information (and that of Tatyana, who tells us she took a degree in English and perhaps sees you as some kind of expert in the English language), the verb is “to languish”.

  • Goose

    Another story , off topic…

    “Theresa May will consider axeing the Human Rights Act after Brexit.”

    Remember Cameron’s British ‘Bill of British Rights and Responsibilities’? They couldn’t agree which rights to keep and remove, and merely replicating the ECHR, was ruled out. Surely, if they ever seek to scrap such protections they’d have to have a replacement ready? It’s also written into Scottish devolution iirc, and it’s definitely integral to the Good Friday Agreement . So what are they playing at?

    • John Goss

      See my comment above Goose (are we related?) human rights are vanishing before our eyes. We need to get rid of the awesomely power-elite that is taking them away.

    • michael norton

      Remember when David Cameron won his last general election and no longer had to bother with the LibDem lot
      “Ditch The Green Crap”

      • Goose

        I think the UK security services would leave an independent Scotland alone.

        For starters, many of the current senior intel people have Scottish links, family etc. And any nascent security apparatus in Scotland would probably take staff from existing UK wide security agencies? It’d be stupid therefore, to get involved or interfere with a neighbour who could reveal UK secrets themselves.

          • Goose

            @bj

            I understand. But the shady Integrity Initiative is a purely UK MoD led endeavour afaik, isn’t it?

            Why would an independent be involved in such nonsense? Besides, Scotland would have better oversight, including judicial. The MoD has no such oversight, unlike the intel agencies. Tory MP Crispin Blunt complained in parliament not long since that the MoD has no democratic oversight whatsoever of special ops, when the special forces lost someone in Syria. The only western country in this position.

    • michael norton

      Donald Trump is to make an important speech tonight.

      I wonder if they will name a warship after him?
      Our glorious Queen has the largest aircraft carrier named after her.

    • John Goss

      It would surprise me if it ventured too close to Crimea. My understanding is that Russia is more likely to be cruising around in submarines. Might even be off the coast of North America right now. But I loathe this show of aggression whoever does it. One planet, one people.

  • BrianFujisan

    O.T A Communication From My Native American Friend

    Me –
    ” I seen that Lizzie..and Posted it on my Fave Blog… That Elder Taught a Samurai something.”

    Lizzie Doney Thank you for sharing it, Brian. This elder was courageous for standing his ground. Seeing him singing the medicine song while being confronted by so much ignorance and hate made me cry. I was so proud of him!
    Take care my awesome friend ❤️

  • Andrew welsh

    Good article Craig. However, what will you be using as currency when you access to the EU? Will your boys be joining the EU army? Will you put a tariff wall up against the rest of the UK?

  • Sharp Ears

    Did you hear that the DoE has been seen driving in the replacement 4×4? Is he being appeased and there is no way of controlling him?

          • fwl

            No, but I had a look at that & thanks for drawing my attention to it. I like America, it started with some great principles, but it’s difficult not to think about how much land was stolen so quickly from the Native Americans and how easily that has been forgotten. Then when someone makes a good popular film which touches upon the issue such as The Lone Ranger it gets savaged as a bad film. The irony of MAGA hat wearers confronting a Native American protestor is painful to watch.

          • fwl

            Deb Haaland for US President.

            Forget MAGA try MANAA from heaven : make America Native American Again.

    • Sharp Ears

      Minus 5% each year. There’s a thought.

      Ageing and the brain
      R Peters

      Go to:
      Abstract
      Ageing causes changes to the brain size, vasculature, and cognition. The brain shrinks with increasing age and there are changes at all levels from molecules to morphology. Incidence of stroke, white matter lesions, and dementia also rise with age, as does level of memory impairment and there are changes in levels of neurotransmitters and hormones. Protective factors that reduce cardiovascular risk, namely regular exercise, a healthy diet, and low to moderate alcohol intake, seem to aid the ageing brain as does increased cognitive effort in the form of education or occupational attainment. A healthy life both physically and mentally may be the best defence against the changes of an ageing brain. Additional measures to prevent cardiovascular disease may also be important.
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2596698/

    • N_

      And he has been driving the new one without a seatbelt too, although his wife, who’d previously been caught on film similarly without one, managed to wear hers.

    • michael norton

      I have read several stories of Cliff Edge Brexit
      all different.
      If it was written into Article 50, the government must have a considered view of what Cliff Edge Brexit will actually mean, why can’t they share with us?

  • JohninMK

    You have to love our local radio stations. Spire FM in Salisbury has just given a 16 year old girl their Lifesaver Award. Boring you might think, not this time, she was first on the Skripal poisoning scene. Brave girl you think, yes, so she called her mother who was just around the corner on a birthday outing with other members of their family. Now, who is her mother?

    Knock me down with a feather, she is a senior Army nurse, a Colonel no less, who just happens to have relevant experience from the Ebola outbreak in Sierra Leone.

    You couldn’t make this stuff up.

    Another winner from MoA
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/01/coincidence-chief-nurse-of-the-british-army-was-the-first-person-to-arrive-at-the-novichoked-skripal.html#more

    • Tatyana

      please, just let me get it right
      a 16-yers girl wins a lifesaver award. She is awarded for the help made by other her family members?

      • JohninMK

        She was only 16 and soooo brave and talented giving first aid help (not many 16 year olds can do that here) to the couple whilst she called her Mum om the mobile, or shouted for her. Should have got the award at Buck House, like seemingly her mother.

        Someone is going to be pretty unhappy about this methinks.

          • Kempe

            So mum was in on the plot and allowed her 16 year old daughter to be potentially exposed to a nerve agent?

          • Kempe

            Ah but Mary Paul claims to have been told by someone that they were told by somebody else that the Novichok came from Porton Down, a claim made by various other posters here. Are you trying to make out they’re all liars?

          • Tatyana

            Kempe, if you suppose that Novichok appeared in Skripal’s blood samples after it had been sent to Porton Down for analysis – there would be no liars. In fact it only explains why nobody died and why people were advised to use common baby wipes.

          • Tatyana

            Dawn Sturgess died 4 month later. The poison reported to be in a new sealed package.
            How do you put it in one line with Scripals on the bench, Kempe?

          • Kempe

            If, as you seem to be claiming, the whole Skripal’s thing was faked why come back and plant some real Novichok months later?

    • Mary Paul

      I was at lunch today with someone I have not met before, who grew up in Salisbury. Her father who still lived there, died recently and she commented that she had been visiting him regularly before his death and taking him out in her car. Everytime they passed Porton Down, he would comment, “that is where the Novichok agent (they found in Salisbury), came from.”

    • N_

      Whether or not squaddies tune into Spire FM, as local media in Salisbury the outfit will have to keep sweet with the Army.

      • bj

        But why now?

        I have a hunch that this was a preemptive move.

        Could the next dump from ‘anonymous’ be zeroing in on the who’s who of the Skripal charade?

  • BrianFujisan

    Fwl

    Thanks for taking time to watch.. we somtimes see / hear native americans on Screene.. I, with Lisrebingwater were Honored To hear that Toungue in a Glasgow bar..When my Long term Friend came over..It was a Beautiful Time And I was in the Kilt to mark the Occasion,

  • N_

    I feel have to mention an exemplary expression of hate-filled Tory mentality that I recently heard from one of the denizens of an online Tory habitat that I spy on.

    The Tory said he had some time for Tony Blair but he didn’t have any time for Gordon Brown, except when Brown got “cornered by that woman”.

    This is sooo typical. It’s akin to landlords who think that the relationship between a landlord and a tenant is one where the tenant rips the landlord off, unscrupulously, parasitically, and fully supported by intensely anti-landlord legislation. Gordon Brown was chancellor of the exchequer for 10 years and then prime minister for 3 years. The single time when this Tory felt any sympathy for him – and it clearly must have had an emotional effect – was when Brown showed utter contempt, Tory style, for a working class woman Gillian Duffy as if she were a piece of dirt, and when for a moment the curtain got accidentally drawn and he was exposed for what kind of person he really is. That event probably lost the Labour the party the election, so you’d have thought the Tory would remember it with positive feelings. But no. The feeling is “The poor guy. He was minding his own business and that terrible piece of dirt cornered him.”

    • Goose

      ‘Bigotgate’… the forgotten mic.

      I also remember thinking at the time, had that been then leader of the opposition Cameron(or any Tory PM) would they have run with it ? Or would someone senior stepped in and said, don’t bother.

      I’d wager there are loads of stories that the press could print about Tories. Look how when Murdoch fell out with Cameron over holding and the terms of the Leveson inquiry, His Times newspaper then printed that story about £250k a pop ‘kitchen suppers’ above No.10 with David and Sam, and how you could drop a policy wish in the No.10 policy formation in tray.

    • giyane

      N_

      Nil carborundum etc,

      I know May is holding a gun to all our heads about No deal prices rocketing but that’s just Tory sense of humour. ‘Look at all those stupid scum squirming’. The Tories had already achieved universal approval for their stupid ideas by the time Blair and Brown got on the scene. The current session of Tory rule is just icing on their cake, even though their cake is full of weevils. What Cameron offered them was jackboots for Tories to crush the poor, and May is delivering them. As I say , Nil carborundum …

      There is a story in the Qur’an about Pharaoh’s treasurer, Haman, who was from the children of Israel. People from his society were saying ‘Look at Haman. We wish we had all that Haman has been given.’ Then God punished him for his cruelty and arrogance by causing all of his palace, family and household to be swallowed up in the sands of the Nile Delta. Then the people said Thank God we were patient and we didn’t follow Haman.

      That guy just had a very dry sense of humour, bless him.

      The Tories, in spite of the 2008 crash, feel they are in the ascendancy, and are arrogant enough to fly a kite of British superiority in the form of May’s racist Brexit, and arrogant enough to time it out to the deadline.
      But when William Hague was asked about Tory foreign policy in 2010, he replied it would be unexpected, meaning that Al Qaida which was previously condemned, would now be brought into the fold of British foreign policy. In other words Britain would use violent proxy terrorism to start the Empire2 colonial program.

      The public are completely ignorant of this fact, but if and when the cost of living soars, the public will turn against the Tories. That is when the Tories will understand that their arrogant wealth and dreams are built on shifting sands. People will say they never knew this government supported terrorism and illegal colonialism.
      They don’t know now because they’re too busy dealing with their divorces and their mortgages, all designed for them by Tory think-tanks on how to keep the people down.

      There’s an easy way , and a hard way. The easy way is to persevere with humility and consultation. The hard way is the Tory way of arrogance and lies. The entire economy of the Western world collapsed in 2007. What are those strange cracks appearing in the sand?

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