Boris Johnson has crossed the Rubicon today by announcing the suspension of Parliament at this crucial time, no matter how many days the suspension lasts. The United Kingdom has found itself with the most right wing government in nearly two hundred years. I still find it hard to believe that Sajid Javid, Dominic Raab and Priti Patel hold great offices. Even that minority of those voting who put this Tory minority government in place did not expect that. Now that right wing coup is being doubled down on by the deliberate suspension of the Westminster parliament just as the most crucial and divisive issue in several generations is being resolved.
There is an irony here. Johnson has been able to take over without facing the electorate because of the polite constitutional fiction that it is the same Conservative government continuing and nothing has changed. Yet he justifies the prorogation of parliament by the argument that it is a new government and a new Queen’s Speech is thus needed. Johnson is of course famously in favour of having cake and eating it, but the chutzpah of this is breathtaking.
As countries slip to the far right, the failure of the more decent forces in society to unite and to react with sufficient vigour is crucial. Jo Swinson and others need to stop their caviling and get behind Jeremy Corbyn’s no confidence plans.
Here in Scotland, it ought to be a matter of deep shame if we do not now immediately move decisively to claim Independence. The SNP needs to stop prattling on as if keeping the UK in the EU was the priority. No. The priority is Independence, and Independence Now. If the leadership of the SNP want a referendum, they should move now to hold it within a few months, this year. Otherwise they should dissolve Holyrood and hold a Holyrood election with the declared aim of declaring Independence if there is a majority won for that. It is now inevitable that, if the SNP continues to shilly shally on Independence, a new party will arise in response to public opinion, to outflank and challenge them by prioritising Independence. Hopefully Johnson’s new move will finally kick the SNP to act NOW and make that unnecessary.
Well bye- bye it is then. The sooner the better, although I feel sorry for the Scots, but then again , they mus elect a leader not a puppet.
Anyway, I guess you are out,,, Schadenfreude… Get some turnips seeds, you will need them.
GB has nearly almost always managed to elect leaders that did not take the people at hearth, and you did it again..
Johnson has been able to “take over” because he commands a majority in the House…or more correctly his opponents will not prove he cannot.
The chutzpah is the absolute and puerile tantrums of those refusing to accept the majorities vote to leave. David Cameron was an ass. He made a completely predictable error in judgement. Labour under Blair and Brown were excruciatingly bad. Under Corbyn they are worse, simply because the majority of Labour M.P.’s have no affinity what so ever with the working person and this whole ‘ crises ‘ shines a bright light onto just how corrupt Labour really are. Progoration of Parliament is a normal event in the U.K. govt. and is a centuries old established feature of it’s operation. T. May’s parlimentary session is the longest since sometime in the 15th century. Johnston understands many things, a primary one being the destruction of the Tory party IF Brexit doesn’t happen. The other is how to communicate with the electorate. Politics is politics and BoJo is showing he’s a lot better at it than many thought.
Do you work at the Tories’ Central Office?
Lots of mugs even here deceiving themselves a Johnson-Trump Brexit is going to be some kind of bonanza for ordinary people. Scotland is going to go as a matter of course once this corporate predator feast begins, along with the NHS and Northern Ireland. Sturgeon knows she need only allow another year or so to pass. No point jumping the gun now before the brute realities of a Johnson-trump Brexit are manifest, there are still far too many out there who are capable of deceiving themselves that Boris and Donald have ordinary people’s interests at heart.
The Rubicon was crossed when the vast majority of Labour MPs and a substantial proportion of Tory MPs stood in the 2017 election on manifestos that promised to honour the referendum result, while intending to do no such thing.
Amidst all this clamour is there no-one pointing out that the ridiculous party conference season closes parliament for around 3 weeks. How about the conferences being held in the summer break? Having attended conferences in the past I have had to take time off work at my own cost. Not so MPs. The argument that a few days extra closure is an outrage whilst happily closing parliament to attend conferences at which nothing is really decided or agreed, strains belief in the honesty of the outrage. And let’s be clear both Lib Dem and Labour conferences have, at one time or another, voted for unilateral disarmament but their Party leaders have never enacted those conference decisions. The conferences are just free TV appearances for the well paid elite and should be held in their own time, but we know they would never vote for that. These poor overworked MPs still find time to have a number of other well paid jobs so no apologies for suggesting that parliament could get a lot more done if it rid itself of part time MPs and an arcane rule book that seems to have been written by a public school debating club. Our parliamentary system hasn’t worked and it has taken Brexit to highlight to the many its inadequacies. All the MPs are part of the con so all Johnson has done is to take an inadequate rule book and exploit it for his own purposes. The lawyers and mandarins will be rubbing their hands with glee at the fun and the money they are about to make.
What a ridiculous hysterical reaction to the ending of the longest parlimentary session for 400 years. The usual 3 week break for party conferences and a Queens speech for a new government is hardly the end of the world. Just because Remainers will no longer have the opportunity to derail what a majority of the country voted for in a referendum and a general election and a European election they scream and shout about perfectly normal parliamentary procedures as if Boris had sent the secret police to arrest his opponents. Get over it. Britain is moving on to a post EU world whether anti democrats like it or not. If you want Scotland to leave the union why do you feel that a section of society has the right to stop England from leaving the European Union? Have another vote in Scotland if you want but stop trying to make out that the country doesn’t want to Leave- most people do.
No I will not “get over it”. Your arrogance, and many other obsessed Leavers is beyond belief. You may remember one of the many lying slogans that you campaigned under was that leaving the EU would “restore parliamentary sovereignty” – and to achieve this you start by proroguing parliament. Proroguing means Committees cannot sit and no questions can be answered. This is not the same as going into recess, so don’t pretend that it is. If the majority of people wanted to leave the EU without a deal why did you constantly reassure them that it would be the ‘easiest deal in the world”? To win Leave used illegal funding and illegal sources of data information. LEAVE is all about the destruction of democracy, and I will never get the greatest destruction of a country in order to safeguard the rich and criminal.
AliB
“Obsessed leavers” – wow!
I can certainly see a lot of remainers who are obsessed with the idea of a 2nd (3rd, 4th, 5th possibly) referendum because they still will not accept the result.
I can, reluctantly, accept the result. Despite the fact that lies were told, voters were deceived, electoral laws were broken, online advertising was used to manipulated vot ers. Yes, I can reluctant.y accept the result despite all these things, but what I CANNOT accept is that this self same slim majority ALSO voted for No Deal. There are absolutely no clear indications of that. Leave campaigned on the basis of there being a deal – one of the easiest in history – so certainly some leavers voted in the belief there would be a deal. There is no mandate for No Deal.
Javid’s speech has been cancelled. He was going to hand out a £4bn sweetener.
Sajid Javid cancels first big speech, encouraging early election talk
Earlier annual spending review by Treasury also suggests planning for a snap election
https://www.dumptheguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/27/sajid-javid-drops-first-big-speech-encouraging-early-election-talk
Holyrood should be dissolved and elections held on the basis of Independence vote. If the people don’t support that move now then they never will. This is the tipping point either way.
Prior to the referendum UK wasn’t a full member of EU, but the project was ever closer union to create a European super-state.
I voted Leave, but never expected Parliament to honour a Leave vote, but believed the referendum was called to use a Remain vote to take us into the Euro. Hence my reasoning was a Leave vote would be ignored and at best result in a compromise Brexit but a Remain vote would result in full membership.
I agree in theory the Leave vote allows for No Deal, but as a British Unionist I don’t want UK to leave EU, just for Ireland and Scotland to leave UK.
A binary choice referendum can be divisive, akin to a civil war, and so to heal the wounds it makes patriotic sense to come up with a compromise Brexit that mostly satisfies both sides aka leave the political institutions (keeps UK out of Euro and restores state aid), leave single market (restores control of immigration), but remain in customs union (maintains soft border in Ireland and protects jobs and growth).
And this is why seeking No Deal becomes an outrage, because its so divisive, when Boris could and should offer the compromise (with Labour votes) Brexit that the Maybot refused to put forward (as she was out to sabotage Brexit).
“as a British Unionist I don’t want UK to leave EU, just for Ireland and Scotland to leave UK. ”
I don’t understand what you are saying here?
“seeking No Deal becomes an outrage”
No deal I think is what the majority of leavers actually voted for. I voted to remain. Now I prefer to leave.
I’ve had enough of it. Whatever they do I just wish they’d get on with it.
No, Leave voters voted to Leave, but Parliament has refused to honour the referendum result, but you can reconcile the binary choice with a compromise Brexit that heals wounds and keeps the country together.
The Tory No Dealers are putting party before country, because they fear their failure to deliver Brexit will result in the same meltdown suffered by the Lib Dems, but the compromise Brexit was always there for the taking.
“I don’t understand what you are saying here?”. What? Its simple, there is a clear divide on the issue and whether you agree with Leave or Remain opinion, its sincerely held, and so should be respected when deciding how to progress matters or create the impetus for the break-up of UK.
But is it really the UK that is seeking no deal?
The referendum wasn’t about “keeping the UK out off the Euro.” Quite the contrary, Cameron used the referendum as leverage to cement the UK’s position outside Euro by keeping the City and the British tax havens out off the reach of EU regulation.
That makes no sense, because to achieve such an aim didn’t require a referendum.
“The priority is Independence, and Independence ”
I agree, Craig. We need to get out before the jackboots are on the streets. What England is becoming is terrifying.
Yes. Only the leftist who have learned nothing from decades of economic, social, and political madness are the repository of decency and good order. Lord knows what you think “right wing” means but I’m sure those chaps who live there are dreadful.
Oh give it a rest, will ya Dick? It is beyond tedious how the right has started presenting itself as the “people’s voice” and acting like you’re all rebellious and edgy. Middle-aged blokes with a fairly nice standard of living “taking their country back”, which in reality will mean screwing over the younger generation and the poor. Never mind the lying bus, one of the principle goals of Brexit for Farage and Rees Mogg was to kill the NHS. There’s video of them talking about it. You do understand that, right? Well, I’m sure you and your family will never get ill, so hey, that one won’t come back and bite you much, will it?
I can see ya, wouldn’t want to be ya.
Parliament being prorogued is actually an annual occurrence and a Queens Speech occurs every year. So nothing abnormal about that. So the only question is whether Parliament has been forcibly prorogued early.
The actual debate is over whether Remainers, who represent a majority of Westminster MPs, represent the 52% majority who voted for Brexit in saying No Deal is treason/unconstitutional/take your pick of words.
Let us be absolutely clear: the ‘Westminster bubble’ is actually the ‘London bubble’ and constitutes the BBC, most of the printed media, the metrosexual globalist/liberal chatterocracy, Whitehall etc. That grouping consider themselves in control of public narrative and are utterly contemptuous of opposing viewpoints.
Let us be clear: the Remain camp engaged in lying 100 times worse than the Leave campaign, using liars like George Osborne and Mark Carney, whose contemporaneous statements have been utterly demolished by the past three years of history. No less than President Obama was interfering in a quintessentially British decision and as for George Soros, the sooner that geriatric reaches the pearly gates to grovel his way in, the better. For a nazi collaborator who left Europe behind decades ago, who then bet the ranch to bring down sterling and Major’s government, to be considered an acceptable interferer in 21st century British life, well: words fail me.
So I think it can be fairly said that Remain had millions more spent on it than allowable, even if plenty of it was unaudited BBC bias and Soros funding of various front organisations (whose accounting quantification is rather challenging).
Since the result, Remainers have been clear that they neither respect democracy nor will they countenance it. Both Ian Hislop and Paul Merton should be paying £10m fines for gross professional misconduct, unethical behaviour and repeated misuse of license payors funds in using HIGNFY as a Party Political Broadcast series on behalf of Remain. Any BBC pensions they have should be confiscated and both should be electronically tagged for ten years. If they object to unlawful actions, too bad. They knew what they doing full well, now they can endure the consequences. The Brexit voting public will not sympathise.
Now the Scottish have legitimate claims to stay in the EU and also hence have a legitimate claim for Indyref2.
But Remain have no legitimate claims nationally, they are just self serving shysters.
He may have crossed the Rubicon, but there’s one more river to cross. I’ll happily supply him with a colander and a paddle, and he can tackle the Styx.
I hope so to.
The Westminster cabal ignore the EU, UN and the people on these Island
They ignore the Scottish government and in turn the Scottish people.
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I do believe Jeremy Corbyn could win the election.
https://www.indy100.com/article/jeremy-corbyn-boris-johnson-impersonation-brexit-no-deal-watch-video-9088276
The problem is: will the BBC give him a fair chance? (I know almost all the other press and media won’t.)
Where did I read that when Fascism arose on Germany, within four years it was total?
Milton Mayer wrote –
‘They Thought They Were Free – The Germans 1933-1945
Then it was too late
[..]
‘What no one seemed to notice,” said a colleague of mine, a philologist, “was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.
“What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.’
https://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html
United Kingdom 2019 ??
Brexit extension: Prime Minister to “test law to limit” to avoid delay
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49625431
The bill, which is set to receive royal assent on Monday, was presented by the Labour MP Hilary Benn and backed by opposition parties and the recently expelled Tory MPs.
It gives Mr Johnson until 19 October to either pass a deal in Parliament or get MPs to approve a no-deal Brexit.
After this deadline, he would have to write to the EU asking for an extension to the UK’s departure date from 31 October to 31 January 2020.
Boris has several options.
1) he could resign as Prime minister
2) he could ask the queen not to give her agreement to the Benn law
3) he could ask to queen to grant a General Election
4) he could tell the Elite of Europe that although he will be seen to go along with the Benn law, he will not agree to sign any more E.U. legislation nor will he appoint any U.K. Commissioners to the E.U.
Mr. Boris Johnson will tomorrow try for a second time to trigger a snap general election as he urges M.P.s to back going to the country on October 15.
He is visiting the Queen in Balmoral this weekend.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she grants him a General Election, before she gets a chance to give her Royal Approval to the Benn bill.