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    Dear all, I’ve translated for you Dima Drozdov’s report on the rally in my city. My own notes are in asterisks *notes*. The source in Russian is here

    As promised, I am posting a small report on the rally in support of Navalny in Krasnodar.

    To begin with, I must say that I’m not a supporter either of Navalny or Putin. I’m a communist. I went to the rally to observe and draw some conclusions for myself about the protest potential in the country as a whole and in the city in particular.

    In social networks, the place of the beginning of the rally was the Triumphal Arch at the crossing of the streets Krasnaya and Babushkina. I arrived at 13:30, a little earlier than the appointed time. There were already quite a lot of people, about a thousand. A small square with a fountain in front of the Arch was full. I didn’t go there; I preferred to watch for a while from aside, staying on the steps of the nearest shop.

    The rally began at 14:00. In my opinion, the number of people was quite small, only a little more than a thousand. Actually I thought that everything would die out. But after shouting a little “Putin is a thief” and “Freedom to Navalny”, the entire crowd of protesters moved along Krasnaya *street* to the Krasnodar Region administration *building*.

    In fact, I was a little surprised, because it’s rather a long walk to get there (I attach the video of the procession). During the procession there was no trouble, now and then the crowd shouted the same chants, everyone was in high spirits, most were having fun.

    We walked to the administration for about an hour and on approaching it I realized that I had been very mistaken.
    Firstly, there were already a lot of people there, about 2 times more than those at the Triumphal Arch. Secondly, people kept arriving and arriving like a river. By the beginning of the rally at the administration, to my observation, probably more than 5000 people had gathered in the park. Again I attach the video.

    The meeting itself was very peaceful; I sat down on a bench with a good view of the park and watched. People shouted chants, the police tried hard not to call the protesters’ eyes. One block away from the rally I saw 2 buses of OMON *special police department*. The men were talking about something, smiling.
    By 17 o’clock the bulk *of the crowd* had already begun to disperse, only the most persistent remained.

    Small notes about the participants of the meeting.

    In general, everything was peaceful, I haven’t seen any aggressive action, no fighting. The indignation was clearly directed not at the people or even at the police, but at the government.
    There was actually one unpleasant moment that I helped to prevent.
    While I was sitting on a bench, right in front of me 6 young guys met and began to warm up clearly aggressively, saying “Well, are we going to jump on astronauts?” *allusion to the police helmets* My bun almost got stuck across my throat at this impudence, given that a policeman was standing literally just 100 meters away. I got up, went up to the police and told them that provocations should be expected from these guys. Seeing this, they *the guys* immediately ran into the crowd. Apparently they just disappeared from the rally then.

    The men are great, they behaved as carefully as possible. On the way of the procession, traffic police officers accompanied us and tried not to detain the line of people, transferring us across the road along the route. At the very place of the rally, they didn’t bother the protesters, but were ready to come to the help if something happened. During the time that I was there, no one was detained. Everything was quiet and peaceful.

    I haven’t seen children at all. There were young people, but I saw nobody under the age of 18 at the rally. And of course there were no strollers with babies, nothing like that.

    In general, I got the impression that people did not go to the rally for Navalny, but to show the government that it’s time to start pro-active actions. Incomes are falling down, a huge number of people are in debt *here is a Russian idiom*, the standard of living for many is at the bottom. Taxes, dollar exchange rate, prices in stores, increase in utility bills. All this adds zero confidence points to the government.
    For Krasnodar, which is usually very slack *apathetic* in terms of city rallies, 5000 is a huge number. Of course it cannot be said that they reflect the position of the entire city. But we can say for sure that they reflect the position of a rather large cut of it. The number of those who came was 2 times more than at the rally against the pension reform, which hints that the situation is getting worse.

    I think we can confidently say that this rally is a sign. A sign to Vladimir Vladimirovich [Putin] in the first place. It’s time to get down to the country’s affairs. People are starting to feel tired.

    #65867 Reply

    Thanks, Tatyana, for the translation. Very interesting report. Estimating numbers at demonstrations is not easy to do accurately without an overhead view.

    #65883 Reply
    Sossy Pie

    Thanks for this Tatyana, it reads really well and gives a great sense of a peaceful demonstration of discontent. Interesting to note that if such an event occurred in any UK city on that day it would have been stopped short by the police for breaking Cv19 rules.

    #65887 Reply

    Thanks for that comprehensive report Tatyana, how handy for Putins Police to have this ‘opposition’ on every Cctv camera available. dont know whether there is face recognition technology involved, but every call out to supporters by Navalny is an opportunity to gather data against him.

    #65889 Reply

    Thanks for your feedback!
    Unfortunately, not everything is that good. There was a trouble in my city too.
    A young man climbed up the monument and demonstrated this

    This report gave me a mixture of feelings. The first is – that’s amusing, what did he want to say with this gesture? The second is – well, I don’t mind looking at the naked ass of a young man, sometimes 🙂 The third feeling is – it makes me really sad and ashamed, to see he had chosen the monument to Cossacks.
    My ancestors are Cossacks, they came to this wild virgin uncultivated land and turned it into a blooming garden. This monument has nothing to do with Navalny or the government. Why not climbing up a lamppost when he had a sudden attack of exhibitionism?

    Seems it was not that peaceful in other cities. Pikabu starts collecting videos. I’m not embedding it here, you can watch on the page

    #66127 Reply

    I’d like to post this video here, for comparison.
    Ukraine, that’s how provocation works.

    #66154 Reply

    And things looking not so good in the Netherlands with rioting. Makes Krasnodar a haven of peaceful demonstrators!

    #66214 Reply

    I’ve seen some from the Netherlands, and that was truly astonishing, given that people protested against lockdowns… Why I mean is that real that police used water cannons? Why?

    #66377 Reply

    Do you agree with the author, in his summary, that the protesters were not motivated by their sympathy for Navalny, but were there because they were struggling financially and wanted the government to support the economy?

    I believe there were virtual protests about the financial situation across the country when the public holiday was extended by weeks in Spring last year. Why such a big gap between these demonstrations, if this Navalny protest really was not about Navalny?

    What do Russian people think the government should be doing to help the economy? Did Putin not call upon the regions themselves to instigate measures to boost the economy?

    #66382 Reply

    Another question Tatyana, I here from various sources that the true opposition in Russia against Putin comes from the communists who poll I think around 30%. Is this the case? I notice that the person who took these videos was a communist.

    #66415 Reply

    Yes, I agree with the author, people went to the rally because of the financial situation.
    You ask why such a protest did not happen in the spring, but in January – I believe that in this case the mood of the people was well fueled by the video about the Palace, so you can see that people are shouting Putin is a thief and are carrying toilet brushes.

    People shout “freedom to Navalny” – this is not a condemnation of the arrest, it’s an expression of support for his anti-corruption activities.

    The government and economy: a couple of days ago, Putin spoke at a forum in Davos and he has a very clear idea of ​​what’s going on and what should be done. While Navalny has no plan, no program, I don’t see how he could deal with the economy.

    Navalny’s supporters want to give him more power, but I cannot see how it’s good idea. Navalny divides people into friend / foe and promotes violence, this is not suitable for a multi-ethnic, multi-religious Russia. Navalny knows how to spy and expose illegal schemes, he would be excellent intelligence agent, or anti-corruption investigator, or debt collector. Nothing of the scale of a city manager or president.

    #66417 Reply

    After the collapse of the USSR, we went through such desperate times of savage capitalism that it’s not surprising a large part of the population is nostalgic for stability and is looking for a safe haven in the Communist Party. However, here is a picture from Wiki, red circles are for communists
    Russian Duma2017

    This is the Russian “House of Commons”. 41 out of 450 hardly makes even 10%

    #66431 Reply

    I now know where the 30% comes from. It was the presidential elections but that was way back in 1996 when Zyuganov polled even 40% in the second election. Even though small now the communists seem to be the second largest party and you seem to have a very skewed Duma with little effective opposition.

    #66445 Reply

    The United Russia party’s politics is simple and understandable – to unite the people living here. It’s important because we have a lot of points for disagreement, we are very different in multiple regions. Federation.

    I see Putin’s efforts to reconcile ethnic and religious differences, and I am glad that this party has a majority and supported by many.
    I too believe that people can achieve much more if they work together. A lot of people = a large domestic market, which allows for large projects, roads, bridges, gas pipelines, space = jobs, education, health care, better future for kids.

    Opposition to this? I don’t know, maybe it will happen someday. That man who was falsely killed by Putin’s hieromonk in Ukraine, that man said he wants Russia to be desintegrated into many small principalities.
    No thanks. I see this in Ukraine and Georgia. I don’t trust Stanford University alumni. I don’t want Biden’s sons, or the Israeli oligarchs, or the offshore aristocracy appointed as managers for ex-russian colonies.

    I’m not sure what the agenda of modern communists is, but the very idea associated with this word is compromised, so I think communism is unlikely to find wide support.

    #66447 Reply

    Strange to say Navalny is not qualified for a political leadership position because of his anti corruption foundation. Is Putin qualified when he was an actual spy? I don’t think Navalny knows how to spy – is this not a lie of the Putin regime?

    Why do people not care about the arrest of Navalny when it seems to be politically motivated? I think it sounds like a great criticism of the Russian people to say they are only motivated by material considerations and don’t actually care about the rule of law and democratic institutions.

    I just skimmed an article on Putin’s recent Davos speech but couldn’t see anything about the situation in Russia. I doubt he knows what to do in the country with regards to helping the population economically, or if he does know he is intent on pursuing other objectives.

    Can you relate what Putin says needs to be done in the economy in Russia?

    I think it is strange to view Putin as competent in managing the economy considering the huge crash in real earnings since 2014.

    I think Navalny is a better bet for president, since he has not yet been proved to be totally corrupt and basically a gangster like Putin has.

    #66448 Reply

    have you seen Navalny’s film about the Palace?
    Maybe you’d like to have a look at this?

    Come on, Navalny IS totally corrupt. Intolerant. His wife too. Just now I’ve seen her dialogue with Slepakov. Navalny’s supporters too, intolerant and aggressive.

    #66449 Reply

    I congratulate you on your wee propaganda video you and your colleagues in the Troll Factory have made. Quite convincing.

    Navalny supporters are normal young people who have not yet extinguished their hopes and dreams of a better future. It is Putin’s State Terrorism that is violent.

    Nemtsov shot in the face yards from the Kremlin.

    Politovskaya poisoned.

    Navalny poisoned twice, his wife once.

    Many others.

    EdinoRos is far too much like the Politburo of the USSR. It is such a terrible crime, in a country so rich in resources and with such a good people that the leadership steal the riches and leave most of the people in abject poverty.

    #66450 Reply

    Navalny may have had a chance if he has not been so openly a stooge of the west. That must be anathema to most Russians after the sellout of the Yeltsin years.

    #66453 Reply

    Steady on, your post sounds like Atlantic council propaganda. The corruption in Russia is probably no more than anywhere else where there are many oligarchs, the west has just had it longer and refined the techniques. If the west had not initiated the economic reforms that were forced on Russia OM 1990 things might be different. But for a more nuanced approach see Dances With Bears.

    #66460 Reply

    How is he a stooge of the West? He seems totally intent on tackling problems in Russia for Russians.

    Anyone that fights for better pay and jobs for Russians is a stooge for the West? Strange.

    I guess it is kind of similar with Corbyn here getting called a stooge for Russia when he was trying to introduce policies that would benefit the people of the UK.

    It’s logical in a surreal way!

    #66459 Reply

    And if you believe that Navalny was recently poisoned by the GRU with novichok then you believe anything.

    #66462 Reply

    Wow. Does the regime pay you or do you just volunteer?

    [ Mod: Ewan, ‘SA’ is definitely not a troll. He has a long history of posting here without censure.

    May I remind you that it’s against forum etiquette to accuse people of being trolls, shills or stooges. That’s for the moderators to judge. From the moderation rules for commenters:

    Fair Play
    Play the ball, not the man. Address arguments, not people. Do not impugn the motives of others.

    If you do so again, further replies from you will require moderator approval.

    Regards. ]

    #66464 Reply

    The corruption in the West is much different than in Russia. The corruption in Russia is far more open and much more destructive for their institutions and economy.

    In the West we do not have State Terrorism. I mostly focus my attention on criticising the regime here in the UK, but I can’t just let you Putin advocates write all this propaganda without some pushback – me in solidarity with the Russian people.

    #66472 Reply

    I’m Russian and I see your phrase “propaganda video you and your colleagues in the Troll Factory have made”
    Is it your ‘solidarity’ ???
    Your cinical lie and your attack in my direction is another evidence that Navalny’s supporters are intolerant and aggressive. Congratulations on proving my point.

    #66473 Reply

    Oh I suffer serious hardship being paid in rubles. I tried to negotiate payment in $ but times are hard.
    Seriously though Ewan. The west can’t solve Russia’s problems they have to be solved by the Russians. The state terrorism of the west is not directed internally because there are simpler ways of controlling the population. The real state terrorism is the wars of aggression on many countries resulting in death and destruction and still continuing. We in the west have to put our house in order first before criticing others.

    #66474 Reply

    I don’t have solidarity for those who support corrupt oppressive regimes, quite the contrary.

    Intolerant and agressive? Strange way to describe my dissent of your pro regime propaganda.

    I feel really sorry for your innocent countrymen, to have such regime sycophants such as you representing them.

    #66475 Reply

    State Terrorism means specifically the state sanction murder of citizens. This happens in Russia, it does not happen in the West.

    Nemtsov. Politovskaya. Navalny.

    So why are you calling Navalny the Russian a stooge of the West when he is trying to work towards making things better in Russia? Is it just the Russians that are killing innocent people and stealing all the money and buying villas in Nice and flats in London that are not the stooges of the West?

    I’m not defending the West. I am attacking your defence of a horrible regime.

    #66476 Reply

    Ah as long as the oppressive regimes are applied on others. How many wars of aggression has Russia initiated since 1990?
    Let us see: 0. How many US and NATO and allies: Balkans, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq (twice) Libya, Syria, Yemen. The west supports many suppressive regimes in the ME and elsewhere. The west is responsible for economic sanctions against many countries including Russia which cause hardships to these people you are expressing solidarity with. Come on stop criticising others.

    #66477 Reply

    I like your selective definition of state terrorism. Very convenient. Has the US and GB not assassinated their own citizens? Or is there selective memory loss? Is killing by drones ok because it is so clinical?
    Navalny is not a major opposition leader in Russia everybody knows that. I referred you to John Helmer’s website to read about his corruption and irrelevance.

    #66479 Reply

    And believe me John Helmer is not a defender of Putin.

    #66484 Reply

    Semyon Slepakov, a bard, published a verse, describing actual incidents during the protests. I translate without rhyme and also omitting the obscene words:

    Kind guardians of legitimate measures burned a man’s eye
    because he was driving a car with FSB plates

    Kind crowd pulled Putin’s henchman down from the pillar
    and beat him with boots

    Defending their liberal values
    hit the traffic police guy in the face

    They called the children to a cool rally –
    Children, come chase the KGB away!

    It will be fun! It will be class!
    Maybe they’ll even make a mess of you! ..

    They swore at unkind people,
    Like “let’s rot them in a pit for the sake of Good”!

    A lesson for you, we are not Leo Tolstoy!
    Bitch, don’t you get in the way of Good!

    It’s time to put Evil’s ass on the pitchfork!

    Brothers, Good has the strength for this! …

    It’s the way sweet Good fought Evil
    Forgetting pity, hardening its insides.
    Bravely, selflessly, and falling for it so much
    That imperceptibly became more evil than Evil.

    Navalny’s wife Yulia and Leonid Volkov commented on this in the same manner as Habbabkuk usually did, and the same as Ewan now does – intolerably, insulting and agressive.

    #66519 Reply
    Pigeon English

    We in the west know best, what is good for Russia Afganistan Iraq Libya Syria Latin America etc.
    Russian lady with name and picture (looking good BTW) posting objective comments/information should be ignored but
    presumably Anglo guy by the name of Ewan or Ivan is fountain of truth. SA asked genuine question and Ewen labled him Putin troll (BTW SA is one of my favorite commentators on the blog).
    Country with 2-party system lectures the rest of the world in democracy. My favourite english expression is “you can’t make it up”

    #66522 Reply
    Pigeon English

    What I am trying to say is that Tatyana posted video from her OWN city filmed by communist.
    Interpretations can vary but civilised not too big protest happened in Krasnodar in my opinion!

    #66545 Reply

    well, here is the dialog I mentioned earlier

    translating it for you

    Yulia Navalny:
    – Attaboy, Semyon, well done. Doesn’t leave hope to become a shareholder of Gazprom
    Semyon Slepakov:
    – Dear Julia, do you not like that I express my opinion? Then cut out my songs from your beautiful films, because this is also my view of the events that happen. Or does my position suit you only when it coincides with your own? I respect your point of view, but I am not obliged to share either it, or the methods by which you are trying to achieve your goals. Good luck in the fight between good and evil!
    Leonid Volkov:
    – You know, Semyon, the Kremlin selection of themes in verse is still a Kremlin selection. It smells of the same shit. But in poetry.
    Semyon Slepakov:
    – You know, Leonid, if you smell strong shit, then I have two news, good and bad. Good is – you don’t have Covid. Bad is – you can’t run away from yourself, so you have to live with it. Get used to it.

    Today Slepakov’s Twitter account is suspended!

    Nice sweet good Navalny and his team, fighters for freedom and human rights in Russia!
    Looks like nobody is more totalitarian than a russian libertarian 🙂

    #66546 Reply

    It’s stated that Navalny’s animation video about the Palace was made by German studio on order from California. The link is given as a proof


    Anyone here knows German? Can someone please help to understand this!

    #66577 Reply

    Tatyana, nice to see you again.

    With regards to Navalny’s palace video, you may find this link of interest. More details of a German video company commissioned by someone in the USA to make the video. Also, some embarrassing errors by the UK’s government communiqué reader, the BBC.


    #66578 Reply

    SA – I am not defending the West as I’ve already said. I’m criticising the Russian regima and defending Navalniy. You seem to think anyone that is against the West is a brilliant moral agent of truth. Childlike.

    Putin imposed the sanctions on the Russian people. The West imposed sanctions on Putin’s gangster circle, Putin imposed sanctions on imported foodstuffs that hurt the Russian people. Get your facts right.

    Yes the US and UK have not poisoned their own citizens or shot them on the street metres from government buildings, unlike Russia. Navalniy is not corrupt or irrelevant, he is the only one standing up to the corrupt regime. John Helmer’s article only seeks to invite suspicion in Navalniy, it is a standard tactic of the Putin propaganda, when looked at on the whole it is obvious Navalniy was poisoned by the regime. What is your alternative theory?

    Pigeon, again I am not defending the UK or the West. I criticise our systems. It is a very strange viewpoint to say I must endorse our policies, if I criticise Russia’s. I hope you will be able to come to terms with the fact I am critical of both. I would say though that I would rather live in our bad democracy instead of Russia’s terrible sham of a democracy. Corbyn was actually allowed to contest an election, he was not poisoned by MI5 or shot on London Bridge.

    #66580 Reply

    Thanks for your kind attenttion, glad to see you too 🙂

    TheMoonofAlabama says:

    “The massive wrought-iron gates into the courtyard are topped with a golden imperial eagle.”

    Do you know, by chance, that this ‘imperial eagle’ in Navalny’s animation turned to be the Emblem of Montenegro? 🙂
    Video by Alexander Rogatkin, another journalist who visited there

    He also visited the Border Guard Department which is located right under the mountain, that explains the security and no-fly zone.

    Then, The MoA says: “The German producers did not know the company, even though they have good contacts in L.A.” a very humble definition, to me.
    The names are Sebastian Weiland and his wife Nina Gwyn Weiland, previously worked in American cinema for many years, before they returned to Germany and founded a company of their own. The Tagblatt writes about them

    Arkady Rotenberg claimed it’s him who is the beneficiary of the “palace” in Gelendzhik. This man was the main investor in the construction of the Crimean Bridge. Rotenberg says the building is planned as a hotel for very wealthy people, 16 apartments.
    Given that Rotenberg is Jewish, I’m curious about the tactics of the Western press when attacking him 🙂

    #66582 Reply

    What is strange is your unswerving and complete faith in Navalny. He polls about 2-3% and gets nowhere. The recent palace video is a scam. The story of this palace is at least from 2010 but it is not constructed by the Russian state according to Moon of Alabama and Dances with Bears which seems to be disabled at the moment. You see I am not really pro Putin, all leaders have their own faults but Putin has pulled Russia out of a catastrophic time post the Yeltsin years and is popular in Russia. The life expectancy of males in Russia has been constantly improving in the Putin years. But at the end of the day, it is up to the Russians. In this blog we have a Russian who experiences life in Russia, yet you accused her of being a Putin supporter because she did not confirm your biased information obtained from western sources that have a vested interest in denigrating Russia and actually, Russians in general.
    I have no connection with Russia whatsoever. I just happen to love Russian literature and music and culture. A country that has been constantly invaded by the west and that has not invaded anyone in living memory deserves to be taken more seriously than this silly propaganda. Also you seem to think that assassinations by a state is OK provided it is done somewhere else. And there is no clear evidence that Putin or the Russian government has assassinated all those people. There was great lawlessness in Russia in the Yeltsin years and there is still a considerable Russian Mafia I am told and there many internecine killings and also

    #66586 Reply

    well, some Navalny’s supporters start telling reasonable things * that makes me really happy *

    Mikhail Murygin, the head of Navalny’s organization in Saratov city:

    “Guys, on the 31st Volkov is calling everyone to shake the regime ..
    Promises to compensate for fines and submit to the ECHR.

    Now reality. I consider it’s my duty to warn you.

    1. They DELIBERATELY did not even try to submit notifications either last weekend or this time. And this is the purest setup for you.
    2. The ECHR will never satisfy the appeal of these fines, since a legal formality has not been observed – namely, the filing of a Notice. The rally, de jure, from the point of view of both OUR law and THEIR in this case is illegal. And that means f*ck, not compensation (don’t believe me, check it out for yourself)

    From the moment of “poisoning” they started to use you without hesitation … so for the first time I started writing the truth about them.
    I’m explaining what’s happening: Tough economic wars.

    North Stream-2. It was necessary to freeze the project at any cost.
    Profit from it $55 billion per year. This is more than the entire military budget of Russia, $48 billion (Putin’s palace is $1 billion, by the way …)

    The US has long wanted to sell its LPG to Europe. And if there is a pipe from Russia, all the more cheaper .. you understand. (+ this is not a feeble leverage)

    You must understand, now they have such a task, to arrange fights with cops and riots. This will provide a nice picture for Europe. Not only do they kill with CHEMICAL WEAPONS OF MASS DAMAGE (I write this and laugh), but there is also chaos in the country! Palace! Aqua disco! A room for dirt! Frau Merkel, you can’t work with them!

    Now ask yourself questions:

    • Where is Volkov himself, his wife and children? Several years in Europe!
    • Where is Navalny’s daughter? At Stanford
    • Where is Navalny’s son? In England
    • Where is Zhdanov? In Germany
    • Where is Pevchikh? In England

    Where are you?
    In general, all the main ones were evacuated and they call YOU from a safe place. F* very convenient!

    Further. Who will then be here in Muhosransk* (russian idiom for provincial city, ‘Flyshithill’) in Saratov to deal with your defense?
    Physically, it will not be realistic to provide protection to everyone, because after the story with the poisoning, the lines have been crossed and protocols will be stamped in batches. No more playing. Navalny will not be excused for this.

    Further. ACF *Navalny’s organisation, Anti-Corruption Fund* is in chaos now. Someone’s detained for 24h, someone’s over the hill *abroad*, someone recognized the smell and doesn’t show up (like Milov, scribbles on Twitter, but doesn’t go to the rally)
    They will simply have no time for you.

    And the last thing. I have ALWAYS been for any protest. Always for rallies. Always FOR people expressing their opinions.
    But now you are being stupidly used and shot like torpedoes.

    And if even I – the person who worked as the headquarters chief; who organized all the largest rallies for Navalny in Saratov; who led his presidential campaign, observation and who knows what everything really is, not from the picture on YouTube (both good and bad) – I SAY this. Think about it.

    When everything happens, they will forget about you. Quote: “We don’t need people now” (after the presidential campaign 2018)
    Or betray you, like me. Like many other coordinators or employees (it’s just that many are silent, fearing of hatred).
    My headquarters was always in the top 5 or 10. I was really in good standing. You all know me, I was in charge of the headquarters 24/7 (!) And they left me, their own coordinator (now I have MINUS 500,000 rubles in fines; part for rallies, part for investigation)

    Imagine, you are doing an investigation at the headquarters in the field of public procurement, this investigation is checked and coordinated, including by the legal department.
    When you get sued, they say ‘Goodbye, dude. We don’t know you. Well, try to appeal. We will not pay.’ They fire people for far-fetched reasons. Deception with the last month salary. Next .. Surrealism.

    What then are you worth to them?


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