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      смотрю в экран, а там все еб***нулись* – Russian expressive language – *I look at the screen, and see only crazy people there
      – Almost 6,000 foreign mercenaries were eliminated in the special operation zone in two years
      – Stoltenberg admitted Ukraine used NATO missiles to attack Russian Fleet in the Black Sea
      – Pentagon states they noticed Russian TU-95s near the air defense zones of the USA and Canada
      – and the article “they offer Ukraine to capitulate”:
      Our Western opponents… are pushing the Ukrainians to fight with us, providing them with money, weapons and even NATO troops posing as PMC personnel and mercenaries.
      On the other hand, they demand that Russia enter into peace negotiations. This would be understandable if we were losing. But the Russian army is moving forward every day, Kiev openly admits that it has no men to send to fight. The remaining Ukraine’s army men have the alternative of either dying at the front or surrendering. It’s no wonder that they increasingly choose the latter…
      Why do we need peace negotiations at all? Unless to save an alternatively gifted nation from final destruction. For some reason they decided in a single impulse to commit suicide against the Russian army…
      The former Ukrainian SSR has already lost more than 20 percent of its territories, the loss of the rest is a matter of time. Timely surrender will save a large number of human lives…
      Two years ago Moscow agreed to much more lenient conditions, which was recorded in Istanbul. However, times have changed, the train has set off, the front line is moving closer and closer to Kiev. Probably, it was necessary to “fight “better”.

      I’m ashamed of the tone of this article. In Russian, we always give a facesaver, and never speak humiliatingly about the enemy’s position. Yes, we can make fun of the enemy as a part of a battle. But talking down on people who are now weaker, is low style.

      #95341 Reply

        France to ‘make sure Russia never wins Ukraine war’: Macron

        France mulled ‘boots on the ground’ in Ukraine for months – Le Monde
        President Emmanuel Macron’s transition from dove to hawk began last summer, the newspaper wrote

        I do not understand that, why would Russia be afraid if Macron send some troops to Ukraine, does Macron really believe Russia is afraid of some french soldiers in Ukraine, how would that stop the obvious defeat of Ukraine?

        The loony hysteric guy in EU (Josep Borell) whine about Russia too, begging Uncle Sam for help. Why? Because this Borell is deep down, too scared to do anything himself. Go ahead, attack Russia Mr Borell, see where that lead the EU if not to the abyss!

        EU warns US about what Russian victory in Ukraine would signify
        No ally will be able to trust Washington if Kiev falls, Josep Borrell has claimed

        For all his faults I really hope Trump win and I really hope he in turn that he would then put these warmongers in check. The EU would not dare do anything against Russia themselves so if Trump win, these whiny european warmongers will hopefully shut up for good and understand that peace, dialogue, compromise is the the only way to solve the war in Ukraine and if they do not like the message of Trump – again go ahead and attack Russia then as you always wanted obviously.
        Also, no one is going to “win”, I do not understand why the EU are so focused on this black/white fallacy of thinking. Russia is not going to accomplish every goal they had, and Ukraine is thus not going to lose. It will be a dialogue-driven compromise, as any other solution to conflicts.

        #95358 Reply

          Macron keep upping the ante,

          Macron wants Crimea seized from Russia
          No ‘lasting peace’ is possible without Ukraine gaining control of the Russian peninsula, the French president has claimed

          Absurd comment, majority of the people on the island are ethnic russians, what do Macron will happen with them if ukrainian nationalistic regime seize Crimea? There would be a bloodbath, ethnic cleansing.
          Not to mention countless of poll have proved that there was and is a genunine support amongst the people in Crimea to be part of the russian federation.

          France itself, have dozens of oveseas islands they have seized:

          #95359 Reply

            Diesen and Sleboda hinted at the (still absurd) possibility that France is preparing the ground for turning into Europe´s military leader once the US is retreating a bit. And Odessa “action” would be a way to aspire to that, I guess.
            30,000 soldiers however wouldn´t make a difference. Unless France wants to trigger WWIII.
            see here:

            “Will NATO engage Russian forces as a Ukrainian victory becomes dimmer?
            Debate on CGTN’s Dialogue 12/03/24”


            #95363 Reply

              btw this is fascinating:

              CNN brought a piece which now is spreading the roumor that THE PUTIN was thinking about using WMDs in the fall of 2022.
              Sounds like an awesome story for a movie with George Clooney and young Kidman by the title “Peacemaker”.

              Anyhow. The text has 0 evidence:

              “Exclusive: US prepared ‘rigorously’ for potential Russian nuclear strike in Ukraine in late 2022, officials say”

              There is in fact only 1 paragraph that doesn´t use allegations or assumptions or guesses and that says:

              At no time did the US detect intelligence indicating Russia was taking steps to mobilize its nuclear forces to carry out such an attack.
              “We obviously placed a high priority on tracking and had some ability at least to track such movements of its nuclear forces,” this senior administration official told me. “And at no point did we ever see any indications of types of steps that we would’ve expected them to take if they were going down a path toward using nuclear weapons.”

              This is the most straight forward item and statement in the entire piece. And it is the one which contradicts the message.
              No wonder it was pushed down into the last third of the text.

              THX to Mark Sleboda calling attention to the piece here:


              I would have otherwise ignored CNN.

              CNN author Jim Sciutto already demonstrated this artistry in an earlier piece linked in above article:

              “US considering responses to possible Russian escalation in Ukraine, including its potential use of tactical nuclear weapons”

              E.g. this phrase contains 3 contradictions:

              Officials caution the US has not detected preparations for a nuclear strike. However, experts view them as potential options the US must prepare for as Russia’s invasion falters and as Moscow annexes more Ukrainian territory.”


              And then another favourite of mine:

              “Putin is capable of anything,” Democratic Rep. Mike Quigley of Illinois, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, told CNN. While noting there is no evidence yet of preparations for such an attack, Quigley added, “You have to take him seriously.”

              again: wow.

              Asked about CNN’s reporting on “New Day” on Monday, John Kirby, the National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications, said the US is “closely” watching Russia’s actions at the Zaporizhzhia power plant amid concerns that Putin could escalate his war with Ukraine and has been “thinking through” the response for any potential use of nuclear weapons by Russia.
              Although the US hasn’t seen anything that has changed US strategic posture, “we’re watching this as closely as we can,” Kirby said, adding, “We take these threats seriously.”

              They are chasing their own tails. No wonder Biden starts to forget the name of his dog.
              Or was it his wife´s name?
              I forgot too.

              #95380 Reply

                Finland want to keep the door open for troops in Ukraine. Funny, as soon as they joined Nato they became so tough, it is so ridiculous to watch. Their foreign minister, like most western foreign ministers, have no experience, education in foreign policy topics.
                New NATO member supports French position on troops in Ukraine
                Finland’s foreign minister has argued that nobody knows how “serious” the conflict could become


                I checked what education/experience the Russian foreign minister have and also what education/experience the chinese foreign minister have:
                Lavrov have studied international relations since 1972
                The chines foreign minister Wang Yi have studied foreign policy topics since the early 80s

                You cannot compare these seasoned, experienced minister two with the pathetic, cocky, arrongant, dangerous foreign ministers of the west.

                #95381 Reply

                  The purpose of all this, I believe, is to discredit Russia and the ongoing ban on Russian media for the West. The further this war goes, the more confirmation there is of what exactly happened in Ukraine, and why exactly the West does not want the truth to come out.
                  Nazi ideology really spread widely there, and that country was really actively developed by NATO, and the Kiev regime actually provided its territory and its “subhuman” citizens as a testing ground for its curators.

                  We have already heard about biolabs.
                  Today’s news includes findings from a hospital in Mariupol. Medicines that could cause cancer as a side effect were tested on patients. The subjects included infants. The hospital had a psychiatric ward, and its patients were fed experimental drugs too.
                  The news mentions the experimental drug SB4, Biogen Idec Denmark manufacturing ApS, Catalent Pharma Solutions (Belgium) and Fisher Clinical Services UK Limited (UK). The study was sponsored by South Korean Samsung Bioepis.

                  Other protocols mention Pfizer (USA), AstraZeneca (UK, Sweden), Celltrion (South Korea), Novatris International AG (Switzerland, USA), IQVIA (formerly Quintiles and IMS Health Inc, USA, UK), Sanofi (France), Galapagos NV (Belgium), Janssen Pharmaceuticals (now Johnson & Johnson Innovative Medicine, Belgium), Abbott Laboratories (USA), Covance (now Labcorp Drug Development, USA), Merck KGaA (Germany), Centocor Biopharmaceutical (Netherlands).
                  Boxes were found containing many ready-made envelopes from logistics companies and containers for biomaterial with recipient addresses in laboratories in Switzerland, the UK and the USA.

                  Documents with gratitude to Ukrainian doctors from Catalent Pharma Solutions and Fisher Clinical Services UK Limited were also discovered.


                  If my guess is correct, we soon will see Nuland in high position in Ukraine, perhaps she even will go as candidate for presidency. There must be elections in May.

                  #95384 Reply

                    Thanks for that post AG, this is symptomatic for the western press: use a BIG, BOLD, THREATENING HEADLINE WHICH IN TURN HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE FOR X CLAIM. And most westerners buy it unfortunately.

                    It is like western media could write whatever lie, disinformation, half-truth and there are nontheless any real pushback, regulation etc, and the more bad news coming from Ukraine the more extreme bs we will see against Russia to unite the western populations for becoming even more hawkish on Russia.

                    Professor Richard Sakwa just put out this book on the subject:
                    The Russia Scare: Fake News and Genuine Threat

                    And Diesen as you mentioned earlier put out a book on the same subject a year or so back
                    Russophobia: Propaganda in International Politics

                    Perhaps the biggest factor why there is a war to begin with is because the biased, deceitful reporting of the west.
                    If you would ask the general westerner they would have no idea about the Coup of 2014, they would have no idea how divided Ukraine is, they would not be able to tell the history of Ukraine for the past 100 years, they know nothing! Still they are obsessed with this Ukraine war like it is a matter of life and death for them personally because media told them so, it is insane!

                    #95386 Reply

                      thx Tatyana

                      I will put it into my UKR archive (which by now is of the size of the Encyclopedia Britannica).
                      It could become useful, you never know.
                      (Also why this forum is so important)

                      As you say – post factum almost everything about this war has been verified. BUT: at least we know it and we can prove it.
                      Not to be underestimated for the discussions that will take place 2024/25+.


                      The dangerous aspect: If we look into the fake nuclear threat alert of 2022 that is now again being floated around by said CNN piece and the NYT (9.3.24) –

                      “Biden’s Armageddon Moment: When Nuclear Detonation Seemed Possible in Ukraine
                      For a few weeks in October 2022, the White House was consumed in a crisis whose depths were not publicly acknowledged at the time. It was a glimpse of what seemed like a terrifying new era.”

                      – you see that one lie is constructed on another lie – THE PUTIN was threatening (sic) to use WMDs because the RUs were in danger to be overrun by the UKR in the fall of 2022 (sic sic) losing EVERYTHING. This is now official history. (As is the idiotic term “stalemate”).

                      Naturally this is not a new procedure. But it is new with events potentially leading to the end of the world.

                      As mentioned some months ago – the West has reignited its tradition of using fiction instead of hard facts and skepticism and analysis. This method reminds me of the famous WWII episode where British Intelligence used a fake backstory and a corpse and a fake letter to deceive German secret services over the Allied landing in Italy 1943.

                      The deceptive operation was first adapted into a 1956 movie “The Man Who Never Was”. And 2 years ago remade into a movie, that should have been much better “Operation Mincemeat”.

                      The people involved were Ivy League romantics, amateur poets and writers in their free-time. Which came in handy.
                      But with nuclear missiles using the same logic as poems and poets is rather destructive.

                      #95387 Reply

                        watch Macron in the first 27 seconds + Christoforou TC: 14:30 – 18:00 / 21:00+
                        It is a remarkable – sry, Orwellian – spin of language.

                        LE MONDE, NYT, CNN, WH, Macron – this is all a mediocre choreography (I could make a !– clichée –> pun using “Bolshoi” here but I won´t).

                        TC 24:00 – RU released figures on mercenaries in UKR with 5,962 killed of 13,387 who travelled there

                        #95392 Reply

                          Jack, re. provocations and belligerent statements of some states. Yesterday I came across an opinion that could explain this strange phenomenon.

                          Karine Gevorkyan, a translator and observer of international events, expressed the following idea:
                          some American politicians (Nuland and her “Jewish squad”, even before 2014 in Ukraine) could work with nationalist and radical communities, promoting the idea that the US is going to destroy and subjugate Russia. Since the US is on the other half of the planet, they need local Russian-speaking Gauleiters on the spot, to manage the subordinate colonial remnants of Russia.

                          In my opinion, there are too many pieces of the puzzle that fit into this theory.
                          Firstly, it’s unlikely that the leadership of small states could afford to do what they are doing if it were not for the belief that the Big Boss had prepared a plan and a gun.
                          Secondly, it also explains why Ukraine relied specifically on Nazis, and it also becomes clear what Nuland meant when she said her famous “fuck the EU”.
                          Thirdly, (this time I should apologise, there’re too many sensitive people around nowadays) it can explain this strange large quantity of active participants with Jewish roots in this whole mess. As you may know, after USSR broke up, many olygarchs appeared as if from nowere, most of them (if not all of them) were Jewish. They’ve lost much after Putin came to power, so perhaps now they support this war hoping to return their lost assets.
                          Fourthly, this fully explains why Ukraine allowed NATO into its territory, although it was supposed to remain a neutral state according to the post-USSR treaties. They were unable to build a successful economy and by the time of the Maidan they were literally in dire straits. I think it’s quite possible that the prospect of gaining access to Russian resources after the US defeates Russia militarily, seemed quite real and pleasant to them.
                          What do you think?

                          #95396 Reply

                            I am not being addressed but this I may add, sitting on the fence:

                            e.g. Nicolai Petro 1 year ago :

                            All this hints at the existence of a long term U.S. foreign policy strategy that outside observers can only guess at. I would not be at all surprised if, thirty years from now, future historians learned of the existence of a new NSC-68—America’s 1950 blueprint for conducting the Cold War—cooked up within the Biden administration in anticipation of just such a confrontation. After all, the contents of NSC-68 itself, although rumored about for years, were only revealed in 1975.

                            Said NSC-68 in the words of Noam Chomsky extensively summarized and quoted, below:
                            (NSC-68 being the core strategic document of US post WWII policy, drafted 1949, which still forms the heart of US posture and planning towards RU today)

                            „(…) The “fundamental design of the Kremlin,” NSC 68 author Paul Nitze explains, is “the complete subversion or forcible destruction of the machinery of government and structure of society” in every corner of the world that is not yet “subservient to and controlled from the Kremlin.” “The implacable purpose of the slave state [is] to eliminate the challenge of freedom” everywhere. The “compulsion” of the Kremlin “demands total power over all men” in the slave state itself and “absolute authority over the rest of the world.” The force of evil is “inescapably militant,” so that no accommodation or peaceful settlement is even thinkable.

                            In contrast, the “fundamental purpose of the United States” is “to assure the integrity and vitality of our free society, which is founded upon the dignity and worth of the individual,” and to safeguard these values throughout the world. Our free society is marked by “marvelous diversity,” “deep tolerance,” “lawfulness,” a commitment “to create and maintain an environment in which every individual has the opportunity to realize his creative powers.” It “does not fear, it welcomes, diversity” and “derives its strength from its hospitality even to antipathetic ideas.” The “system of values which animates our society” includes “the principles of freedom, tolerance, the importance of the individual and the supremacy of reason over will.” “The essential tolerance of our world outlook, our generous and constructive impulses, and the absence of covetousness in our international relations are assets of potentially enormous influence,”
                            The conflict between the forces of light and of darkness is “momentous, involving the fulfillment or destruction not only of this Republic but of civilization itself.” “The assault on free institutions is world-wide,” and “imposes on us, in our own interests, the responsibility of world leadership.” We must seek “to foster a world environment in which the American system can survive and flourish.” Since “a defeat of free institutions anywhere is a defeat everywhere,” no corner of the world, however tiny and insignificant, can escape our ministrations. And surely “the idea that Germany or Japan or other important areas can exist as islands of neutrality in a divided world is unreal, given the Kremlin design for world domination.” Five years after the USSR was virtually annihilated by the Axis powers, they must be reconstituted within a U.S.-dominated alliance committed to the final elimination of the Soviet system that they failed to destroy. (…)“

                            The original document as written by the US-officials here:

                            In essence everything is already there.

                            p.s. Whether Jewish heritage plays an eminent role I dare doubt.

                            1)  It doesn´t mean that intra-racist views consolidating group think do not matter. But Israel – would it loose its imperial significance – e.g. would end up quickly as second-tier state. Regardless of Mearsheimer-ian Jewish lobby theories.
                            Race takes you only so far.
                            2)  As much as some US imperialistic groups today might be homogeneously Jewish – until the 1960s as far as the US academic elite was concerned – and that would include US strategic policy-makers as of NSC-68 era who e.g. also laid the foundation for Nuland-think – hated Jews.
                            3)  It also would work the other way around – 1917 by part was a project heralded by many Jewish activists.
                            Which is why many anti-Soviet dissidents also regarded themselves as anti-semitic – and why many in the Easter bloc regarded the USSR/Stalinist terror as a result of Jewish malignance. And communism in general a Jewish curse.

                            There is too little consistency for a major functioning narrative applicable in enough ways to political phenomena to make Jewish “conspiracy” (sry for the term, I am exaggerating here) workable.
                            But no one needs to agree with my 2 cents of course.

                            #95397 Reply

                              The problem is the overrepresentation of an ethnic group in high places of power of a nation. But also the personal grievances some polticians have. Victoria Nuland – the architect of the very hawkish attitude past decade against Russia, have jewish/russian roots. She seems to have made her life focusing on getting back for percieved injustices commited by Russia against her forefathers.

                              Same with Anthony Blinken jewish/ukrainian. Would Blinken be as supportive towards Israel if he were of… palestinian origin? No of course not.

                              Same with Iraq war of 2003 that was very much driven forward by Israel and pro-israel lobby in America.
                              Netanyahu himself urged right after the 911 attack the U.S just to target nations like Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya. Israel always try to frame their enemies, as the enemies of the west:

                              Netanyahu: The international terrorist network is thus based on regimes Iran, Iraq, Syria, Taliban Afghanistan, Yasser Arafat’s Palestinian Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan.

                              These regimes are the ones that harbor the terrorist groups: Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan, Hizbullah and others in Syrian-controlled Lebanon, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the recently mobilized Fatah and Tanzim factions in the Palestinian territories, and sundry other terror organizations based in such capitals as Damascus, Baghdad and Khartoum. These terrorist states and terror organizations together form a terror network,


                              #95403 Reply

                                The arrogance by the west is breathtaking,

                                Ukraine’s survival in danger – Pentagon chief
                                “Today, Ukraine’s survival is in danger and America’s security is at risk,” Austin said at a press conference after the meeting.

                                Keeping the weapons, equipment and ammunition flowing is “a matter of survival and sovereignty for Ukraine” and “a matter of honor and security for America,” he added.

                                What started out as a stable peaceful Ukraine that had good relations with both Russia dn the west (pre 2013) have now become a subject that could lead to WW3, all because the west refuse to take any responsibilty for their acts and their refusal to compromise and make peace. How can they be so foolish that they believe that Ukraine will retake multiple regions or evne Crimea especially since Ukraine so called hyped-up offensive did not lead any real movement by the ukrainian army??

                                #95404 Reply

                                  Western MSM negligence of the attacks by paramilitary during the RU election is another example of the double-standard occuring on a daily basis.
                                  Scott Ritter on the attacks:
                                  “The CIA’s Secret War — Using Russian Fascists to Fight Russia”
                                  March 18, 2024

                                  #95430 Reply

                                    Skynews set out to interview putin critics in the election queue in London last weekend only to find a Putin supporter:
                                    Not the best, clercut answering by the woman but as she imply – many russians simply value stability versus any possible wrecking upheaval. It is not at all hard to understand but MSM/west keep covering up this fact.

                                    You also have the constant denying in the MSM/west of the economic devlopment in Russia under Putin, many russians have rising salary, pensions, RUssia have a better GDP, a decreased national debt etc.
                                    Some stats under Putin:
                                    “It’s the economy, stupid! “

                                    In the arrogant eyes of the westerner, they have no idea how developed Russia is, even though of course there are still developmental issues that are lagging, but again, many russians have gotten a better life under PUtin so it is no surprise that many vote for him.
                                    If someone like Navalny would be elected it would probably wreck Russia with neo-liberal policies, just like during the 90s.

                                    #95431 Reply

                                      The senseless far-right nationalism seems to have no end in Ukraine, now targeting the names of kindergartens!

                                      Ukraine targets kindergartens with Russian names
                                      Nurseries could be forced to alter their signs amid a ‘de-Russification’ campaign by Kiev


                                      What is so symptomatic for the eastern european/baltic states is their irrational, extreme nationalism, a nationalism that is always taken too far.
                                      It is like they still the 1930s in those states. I just read about Maia Sandu, the president of Moldova which try to pick fight with anything russian. And always this fascination for nazi and nazi collaborators, always!

                                      Regarding former leader of Romania Ion Antonescu, Sandu said in 2018 that he was “a historical figure about whom we may say both good and bad things”.

                                      Hailing fascists and still try to claim to be the good guy. Tin/crackpot leader!

                                      #95447 Reply

                                        former British diplomat Ian Proud with an article on UKR:
                                        I came across this on a German site.
                                        Since former British diplomats are rare on alternative German news sites I wanted to share it:

                                        “Why the West must choose between War and Peace with Russia and be honest with its citizens”

                                        #95448 Reply

                                          Ukraine being Ukraine.

                                          WW2 museum in Kiev to dismantle Soviet-era monuments
                                          The museum said sculptures depicting the 1943 Battle of Kursk will be taken down as “a symbol of Bolshevik propaganda in monumental art.” It announced further plans to “profoundly change the architectural landscape by demolishing all monuments and elements of Soviet propaganda.”

                                          Often described as the largest tank battle in history, the battle of Kursk saw the defeat of elite German SS units and paved a way for the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazi occupation.
                                          Interesting Ukraine never crack down on SS-collaborators monuments, instead build more of them.

                                          Nazi collaborator monuments in Ukraine
                                          Many new streets and monuments have been erected since a new government took over in 2014


                                          Absolute nasty comment:
                                          NATO tells Ukraine to keep drafting new troops
                                          There is no getting around the manpower shortage, Admiral Rob Bauer has said

                                          All these generals in the west could not care less for how many ukrainians being killed, they only use Ukraine as a ramming weapon against Russia for their own interests.
                                          The reality in Ukraine is that many ukrainians are often snatched off the street violently because they do not want to keep this war ongoing, do not want to die for Zelensky, US etc.
                                          The Ukrainian regime attacks and abducts yet another civilian. Mukacevo.

                                          In other news, the ungrateful beggar keep doing his thing:

                                          Ukraine ‘disappointed’ with Britain – Daily Mail
                                          Germany has given Kiev twice as much military aid as the UK, and Berlin has reportedly joined calls for London to do more

                                          Zelensky will not even accept loans, no, he should get all for free.
                                          Ukraine ‘offended’ by US talk of loans – Politico

                                          #95450 Reply

                                            New documentary show the callous, inhumane nature of the Israeli nationalists:

                                            ‘Kill them all’: inside the Israeli blockade on Gaza aid
                                            Journalist Jeremy Loffredo goes inside the grassroots Israeli campaign to block desperately needed aid to the besieged Gaza Strip and elicits the shockingly candid views of the Jewish Israeli nationalists manning the barricades

                                            Setting out on a bus caravan through illegal Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, Loffredo arrives at the Kerem Shalom crossing to Gaza, filming Israeli citizens as they physically block trucks loaded with flour and other essential goods. There, a reservist who served in the military assault on Gaza confesses to an array of war crimes, including blowing up the offices of UN centers dedicated to providing food to the local population.

                                            Loffredo then joins nationalists on a march toward Gaza, where they hope to establish new settlements after the population is violently driven out.



                                            7 October witness Yossi Landau fails to substantiate claims in Al Jazeera investigation


                                            If Hitler lived today he would blush if he witnessed Israeli lies and callous killing.

                                            #95465 Reply

                                              I’ll leave this here, since developments show some connection with Ukraine.

                                              Yesterday in the city of Krasnogorsk near Moscow, in the Crocus City concert hall, a monstrous terrorist attack occurred. Several people in camouflage clothing shot visitors with automatic weapons and set the building on fire. As of March 23, 12 noon, 93 deaths were reported, including three children. Rescuers say the death toll will rise further.

                                              According to eyewitnesses who gathered in the concert hall and filmed the events on video, at least three people without masks entered the hall through the mezzanine and shot the spectators.
                                              Another survivor described that the terrorists were shooting people standing in the line in the entrance doors; he managed to escape only because he went to the toilet.

                                              The Russian FSB today announced the detention of 11 people, including 4 shooters. The arrest took place in the Bryansk region; presumably the criminals tried to cross the border and hide in Ukraine.
                                              In the very first hours of the tragedy, the United States officially declared that Ukraine was not involved in this terrorist attack.

                                              #95466 Reply

                                                Our thoughts are with Russia in this horrendous terrorist incident. It seems circumstantially to be related to the very active destructive activities by Ukrainian saboteurs in that region of Russia. Here our press have headlines such as ‘The Moscow attacks’ – not referring to them as terrorist attacks. Of course the US also has issued the immediate assessment that it is not Ukraine-related but also that it is ISIS, and as expected ISIS has issued a statement to say that they did it. Of course it would be a very strange timing for ISIS to do this now. Also as someone remarked, Islamic terrorists are usually prepared to become martyrs rather than to run away. The US (im)plausible deniability has also extended to revealing that they warned Moscow of this attack a few weeks ago but with not much detail. This has the dual purpose of saying we knew about it but also that the Russians were so incompetent that even though they were warned, they could not prevent it. News commentators also now call this an embarrassment for Moscow. This is classic information war taking place and pre-empting the real findings.
                                                Of course this piece of terrible news also serves to take away the heat from the slow genocide taking place in Gaza and deflects from all the other unfavorable news.

                                                #95467 Reply

                                                  Craig said on Twitter last night: “I have been explaining for years that the US and Israel are behind ISIS.
                                                  See it now?”

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                                                    #95469 Reply

                                                      I just watched a video of one of the detainees. A Tajik (I apologize if his citizenship turns out to be different) says that he listened to some sermons on the Internet, and the preacher’s assistant wrote to him with an offer to kill people for money.
                                                      His speech is too smooth under the circumstances, and it sounds like a pre-memorized version, IMO.
                                                      According to reports, the terrorists used weapons stored in advance by the organizers.
                                                      Many countries have already expressed condolences to Russia, while Ukrainians leave cynical, sadistic reviews on the Google profile of Crocus City Hall (which in principle is not surprising, we have already seen how they reacted to the terrorist attack on the Crimean Bridge).
                                                      The death toll is already 143.

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