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    Jack

      ET

      Apparently that drivel was said during a meeting with British-Palestinian group.
      Why did this group even bothered meeting with Starmer, giving him some legitimization while he and Angela Rayner have from day one been one the biggest enabler of his human slaughter outside of Israel? Heck Starmer himself approved the collective punishment of cutting not humanitarian aid but basic human necessities like water, power!

      Israel-Palestine war: Keir Starmer supports Israel’s ‘right’ to cut Gaza’s water and power

      https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-keir-starmer-criticised-right-cut-gaza-water-power
      And here he is coming up with moronic, corrupted claim that the reason why there is famine in Gaza is because. Russia!?
      These people are rotten to the core, they do not even pretend to care. What a nasty display of arrogance Starmer project. But money talks for Starmer, Rayner and alike:

      Israel lobby funded half of Keir Starmer’s cabinet

      The list of recipients includes prime minister Keir Starmer, his deputy Angela Rayner, chancellor Rachel Reeves, foreign secretary David Lammy and home secretary Yvette Cooper.

      https://www.declassifieduk.org/israel-lobby-funded-half-of-keir-starmers-cabinet/

      #101272 Reply
      fonso

        George Galloway ambushed by Sky News at BRICS summit in Kazan, asked to condemn Russia…

        https://x.com/georgegalloway/status/1849554765664936213

        #101274 Reply
        Tatyana

          Speaking of the BRICS summit, yesterday there was some interesting news that Putin made a statement there about peace talks with Ukraine.
          A Turkish representative to the UN, who participated in the September session of the General Assembly, allegedly received some proposals from Ukraine and passed them on to the Kremlin.
          I know that Mr. Murray may have inside information. @craig It would be great if you could give more details about this.

          #101298 Reply
          michael norton

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DweSJ0WuOLQ&t=913s
            Apparently the Ukrainian Regime are now interested in chatting with Russia.
            In the first instance, the Ukrainian rulers want Russia to stop targeting Ukrainian Electricity Grid/Infrastructure.
            In return Ukraine will stop targeting Russian Energy facilities.

            #101301 Reply
            Tatyana

              Michael, let’s play Kasssandra 🙂 Do you have in your head the same thought, that appeared in mine? – “stop targeting everything ours, and we stop targeting everything yours” would be much better proposal.

              #101306 Reply
              AG

                Tatyana

                Since you are actually the one among us to know best – on the “little green men” issue in Crimea 2014 – (a favourite of filmmakers in Western spook series) – Jacques Baud in a new 2 hour conversation with Eva Bartlett reminds of the fact that there never were “little green men” – apart from those who were stationed there officially.

                The only thing out of the ordinary were the Ukrainian 20,000 stationed there along the 22,000 Russians who “defected”.
                So I assume those were the only “little green men” that would fit a “narrative”.

                see TC 20:00+
                https://rumble.com/v5fjhrh-jacques-baud-nato-threatened-russia-decades-before-2022.html

                Don´t know if you agree with that or not.
                Hope you guys are ok.

                #101309 Reply
                AG

                  re: Crimea “little green men”

                  I have gone back to Jacques Baud´s book “Operation Z”

                  The chapter on this is as follows:

                  “(…)
                  2.7.5.2. The Myth of Russian Aggression

                  The myth of Russian aggression is inseparable from that of the “little green men who arrived in large
                  numbers on the peninsula”(171) suggesting an invasion by Russia. By invoking sometimes by “special
                  forces”(172) , sometimes by the mercenaries of the “Wagner”(173) company, we created a narrative.
                  Our belief that Russia “has militarily invaded by force part of a sovereign state”, as Pierre Servent,
                  military expert, claims on France 5 (174), aims to give legitimacy to the coup that Westerners have just
                  carried out, support in Kiev.
                  It’s a fable that has its origins in NATO – where I worked at the time – and which plays with words to
                  turn an engagement perfectly in line with the agreements between Russia and Ukraine into a special
                  operation. However, the commitment of Russian troops in Crimea does not correspond either in form, in
                  tactics or in structure to that of their special forces. The latter are an area that I know well and on which
                  I have written a book (175) (which has also been translated in Ukraine (176)).
                  As soon as the announcement of the abolition of the Official Languages Act, the south of the country
                  is on fire. Crimeans take to the streets. Among them are about 4,000 hunters or members of shooting
                  societies and 15,000 members of the territorial reserve, who take up arms and occupy the Simferopol
                  regional parliament. Together, they form the “self-defense” units, which were mentioned in March 2014
                  by Sergey Lavrov, Minister of Foreign Affairs, and by Vladimir Putin (177).
                  To these civilians are added soldiers from the Ukrainian forces. At the beginning of 2014, the
                  Ukrainian army was then still made up of a majority of conscripts, recruited and organized territorially:
                  in Crimea the majority of soldiers were Russian-speaking. Thus, when the government ordered them to
                  repress the demonstrations, 20,000 of the 22,000 Ukrainian soldiers stationed in Crimea, refused to
                  intervene against their compatriots and rallied to the demonstrators, as Ivan Vinnik, deputy of the Rada
                  of Kyiv will later confirm (178). They tear off their Ukrainian badges to avoid confusion and will become
                  what Westerners will dub “little green men” and identify as Russian special forces. In addition to these
                  soldiers, there are approximately 15,000 Russian speakers from the police, the Security Service (SBU)
                  and border guards (179), who – too – refuse to confront their “brothers”. That is a total of about 35,000
                  defectors.
                  As for Russian soldiers in Crimea, the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) signed in 2010 with
                  Ukraine (and valid until 2042) capped their presence at 25,000 men, and only 20,000 to 22,000 were
                  then actually stationed in the peninsula. In the event of a crisis, the agreement authorized them to be
                  deployed at various strategic points on the peninsula (such as the airport), in order to allow an umbilical
                  cord with Russia. These soldiers do not wear unit insignia on their combat dress, as is customary in the
                  Russian armed forces (eg in Afghanistan).
                  When Ukrainian nationalist paramilitaries began violently confronting Crimean self-defense militias,
                  the Russian military intervened, invoking the principle of “responsibility to protect” (R2P).
                  Thus, neither for the Donbass nor for the Crimea, there was a Russian invasion in 2014. In fact, the
                  expressions “intervention” and “invasion” are played alternately to cast doubt on the real presence of the
                  Russians in Eastern Ukraine (180). Because, despite their repeated allegations, the Westerners have never
                  provided concrete evidence confirming a Russian “invasion”, or even a “landing” of special forces! In
                  fact, they have sought to hide the illegitimacy of a coup d’etat which they very largely supported and
                  which is at the origin of the events in Crimea.
                  Some commentators, such as Arnaud Dubien (181), have seen it as a “pledge”, that is to say a territory that
                  can be monetized in a negotiation, which has clearly not been
                  (…)”

                  Footnotes from the French version of the book, not included in the English:

                  171. Caroline Roux dans l’émission « C dans l’air » du 17 octobre 2021 (« Poutine, maître du
                  jeu #cdanslair 17.10.2021 », France 5/YouTube, 18 octobre 2021) (56’25’’)
                  172. Alan Malcher, « Russian Spetsnaz – Ukraine’s Deniable ‘Little Green Men’ »,
                  moderndiplomacy.eu, 10 mai 2015
                  173. « Ukraine, Mali : que font les milices Wagner ? Leçon de géopolitique – Le Dessous des
                  cartes », ARTE/YouTube, 26 janvier 2022
                  174. Pierre Servent dans l’émission « C dans l’air » du 11 janvier 2022 (« Poutine rêve
                  d’URSS, l’Ukraine sous tension #cdanslair 11.01.2022 », France 5/YouTube, 12 janvier 2022)
                  (26’50’’)
                  175. Jacques Baud, Les Forces spéciales de l’Organisation du Traité de Varsovie,
                  L’Harmattan, 2002
                  176. https://constitutions.ru/wp-content/uploads/specnaz.pdf
                  177. « The Changing Story Of Russia’s ‘Little Green Men’ Invasion », RFE/RL, 25 février
                  2019
                  178. Евгений Мураев и Иван Винник, народные депутаты, в «Вечернем прайме»
                  телеканала «١١٢ Украина», 4 août 2016 (https://112.ua/video/evgeniy-muraev-i-ivan-vinniknarodnye-
                  deputaty-v-vechernem-prayme-telekanala-112-ukraina-04082016-206216.html)
                  179. « Ukrainian defectors in occupied Crimea sidelined, relocated », http://www.unian.info,
                  5 octobre 2017
                  180. Wikipédia, Article “Russian military intervention in Ukraine (2014–present)” (consulté le
                  15 mai 2019)
                  181. Arnaud Dubien, « Le coup de force de Poutine en Crimée s’inscrit dans une volonté de
                  marchandage », Le Monde, 3 mars 2014 (mis à jour 4 mars 2014)

                  Now Scott Ritter was one source supporting the “little green men” story.

                  Difficult to judge. I would usually go with Baud if I had to choose. But it´s not quite clear. Baud only refers to huge numbers and might not take into consideration smaller groups like Ritter does here. But Ritter has no sources. And I am skeptical over his bravado style as scholarship is concerned, at least sometimes:

                  “(…)
                  »Concerned that the Ukrainian government would call out the Ukrainian army to
                  intervene, the Russian government mobilized a force of several hundred ›little
                  green men‹, consisting of elite Russian special forces who, because of constitutional
                  limitations regarding the deployment of regular Russian army forces on the
                  soil of a foreign nation, were ›sheep dipped‹ (a US term made popular during the
                  CIA’s covert war in Laos in the 1960’s and 70’s, where active duty US Air Force officers
                  would be transferred to the CIA’s ›Air America‹ proprietary company for operations
                  inside Laos). The man put in charge of these ›sheep dipped‹ special operators
                  was Dmitry Utkin, a recently-retired Lieutenant Colonel who had previously
                  commanded a Russian special forces (Spetznaz) unit affiliated with Russian Military
                  the Russian takeover of Crimea on February 26, 2014, four days after Yanukovych
                  fled Ukraine.«
                  (…)”
                  Ritter, Scott: Wagner, I hardly knew ye. In: Scott Ritter Extra v.
                  28. Juni 2023
                  https://scottritter.substack.com/p/wagner-i-hardly-knew-ye?utm_source=publication-search

                  I guess I will look up Martyanov.

                  Nikolai Petro has it not covered in his book as far as I could see on a quick glance.

                  p.s. on the other hand may be this is in fact already cleared officially from the Russian side (meaning admission). But then Baud would know about it and would have said so in the new interview, I would expect.

                  #101321 Reply
                  Jack

                    These people have no shame at all:

                    Scholz is “the only one standing in the way” of supplying Ukraine with more powerful weapons, including the long-range Taurus missiles, Friedrich Merz, who leads the conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU), told German broadcaster ARD.

                    https://swentr.site/news/606631-scholz-fear-putin-german-opposition/

                    Meanwhile, the same guy, on Israel:

                    German conservative leader Merz backs Israel’s Rafah offensive

                    https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-conservative-leader-merz-backs-164201917.html

                    CDU leader wants all new German citizens to commit to Israel

                    https://www.the-berliner.com/english-news-berlin/cdu-friedrich-merz-citizenship-new-german-immigrants-to-recognise-israel/

                    #101326 Reply
                    AG

                      Jack

                      It´s like a genocidal sitcom channel – 24/7 something new to be baffled by. Some new trick that makes your hair raise.
                      Just last week some of the most powerful members of the Berlin regional group of THE LEFT PARTY left a meeting after the majority had passed a very very very very benign statement critical of Israel. But even that was too much for Mr. & Mrs. bigwig.

                      What is so odd: Unlike GB or the US we did not have any media scandals where it became public that major networks and papers were censored by the IDF (like BBC and Co.) No, Germania is a picture-perfect free-speech democracy and knows only the truthful fight for human rights all over the world!

                      #101333 Reply
                      Jack

                        AG

                        Yes it is insane, it is the same here in Sweden. Where the leftist party hardly ever speak on Palestine and have have instead recently purged multiple politicians after they have criticised Israel. Meanwhile the same party is even for sending even swedish fighter jets to Ukraine.

                        In other news:

                        As one expected, as soon as the pro-western side lost in Georgia election they began spreading the claim that the election was rigged and started protesting like ukrainian “Maidan”.
                        Funny, for years we have heard from the west how dangerous such claims was….when Trump and his supporter made the same claim. But every time a pro-western bloc lose an eleection it is perfectly fine and a RIGHT to create chaos to overturn the result.

                        Interestingly not even the pro-western biased organ OSCE have yet to claim that the election was rigged:

                        Georgia’s elections marred by an uneven playing field, pressure and tension, but voters were offered a wide choice: international observers

                        https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/georgia/579376
                        ..but I am sure they will suddenly changed their mind to enflame Georiga.

                        #101391 Reply
                        Jack

                          In Moldova and Georgia one see the typical Zelensky types of leaders that blame Russia for everything but have no proof to back their claims up:

                          Georgian president – Salome Zourabichvili – refuses to back up election theft claims

                          https://swentr.site/russia/606762-georgia-declines-election-fraud-interview/
                          Note that this Salome Zourabichvili was born in France and just past years became a politician in Georiga!

                          Same fanatics one find in Moldova,

                          Ex-Soviet state must back up election meddling claims – Kremlin
                          Moldova’s leader has claimed an “unprecedented” assault by “foreign forces” on the presidential vote and pro-EU constitutional referendum

                          https://swentr.site/russia/606052-moldova-back-meddling-claims-kremlin/
                          That even though the leader of Moldvoa Maia Sandu won the recent election, she still cannot stop whining and claiming that there was fraud involved in the vote!

                          Why is it that every post-ex Soviet state, bring forward such complete, hawkish morons? Is it that they have the backing of the west that make this cocky?

                          #101423 Reply
                          Jack

                            About time human rights organistion condemn the often violent crack-down on the ukrainian orthodox church:

                            Kiev must suspend law targeting Ukrainian Orthodox Church – HRW
                            Ukraine should not implement a law which would ban the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC) over its alleged links to the Moscow Patriarchate, Human Rights Watch (HRW) said on Wednesday.

                            Ukrainian law enforcement has prosecuted dozens of UOC clergymen for alleged “collaborationism,” treason, and “aiding the aggressor state,” HRW noted. Any prosecution not based on specific violations of law and based on “the adherence to a peaceful practice of faith” constitutes religious discrimination, it added. Religious affiliation is not evidence of a suspect posing a threat, Williamson stressed.

                            https://swentr.site/russia/606870-ukraine-church-crackdown-hrw/

                            Note how the EU/west keep silent about this crackdown. So much for human rights.

                            #101449 Reply
                            Jack

                              I agree with Orban on this one:

                              Orban: EU could wage war but not make peace, only Trump would be able to create a mere ceasefire

                              Video: https://x.com/zoltanspox/status/1852799248070504470

                              With Kamala the war will go on as usual and escalate to who know what, with Trump atleast world have the real chance of cooling down the war considerably. The hotheads in the EU need to be cooled down.

                              #101504 Reply
                              Tatyana

                                Nice news mentioned today:
                                German town Suhl cancels partnership with Ukrainian city of Podolsk
                                https://www.mdr.de/nachrichten/thueringen/sued-thueringen/suhl/absage-staedtepartnerschaft-ukraine-podilsk-100.html
                                Last week, the majority of city council members decided against the offer from Ukraine. The argument was that a Ukrainian town twinning could endanger the existing partnership with the Russian city of Kaluga.

                                Wow!

                                I didn’t know the term in English is town-twinning. In Russian its города-побратимы. ‘Bruderschaft’ must be the most close word. Btw, my city Krasnodar is bruderschaft city with Karlsruhe (Germany), Harbin (China), Sukhum (Abkhazia) and Yerevan (Armenia). I took photo of the memorial signs in the park when I visited the exhibition of captured equipment.
                                https://pikabu.ru/story/voyna_i_flagi_11937693?cid=327980431

                                #101535 Reply
                                Jack

                                  It was the worst thing to invite baltic nations into EU, Nato, they simply hijack these organisations with their rabid warmongering and now use their new power to get back at Russia for historical issues, dragging the whole of EU into their personal fight.
                                  Take lithuanian Andrius Kubilius that is set to lead the newly established EU Defense Commission:

                                  Von der Leyen to prepare EU for war – defense commission nominee
                                  The bloc must focus on arming Ukraine, Andrius Kubilius has claimed

                                  https://swentr.site/news/607257-von-der-leyen-prepare-war/

                                  Apparently Putin is “Hitler”, a nazi according to this guy:

                                  It took 6 months for Hitler to break his “promise”.
                                  If not stopped in Ukraine, Putin will behave just like Hitler.
                                  The “Hitler of the 21st century” will have been created by the West, by choosing the path of West’s conscious or unconscious capitulation

                                  https://x.com/KubiliusA/status/1816460947529105673

                                  But, this same Kubilius is of course a historical revisionist and try to defend the nazi colloaboration in Lithuaniana during WW2, implying that the Communists was as bad as Nazis:

                                  Pardoning Nazism, in the name of Lithuanian-Jewish relations

                                  https://www.timesofisrael.com/pardoning-nazism-in-the-name-of-lithuanian-jewish-relations/
                                  https://www.politico.eu/article/wwii-lithuania-history-soviet-occupation-confrontation-wartime-past/
                                  https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4008454,00.html
                                  https://www.jpost.com/magazine/features/full-of-admiration

                                  The current controversy kicked off on November 30, 2009, when Lithuanian PM Andrius Kubilius was the guest on BBC’s Hardtalk.
                                  Mr Kubilius had the bad luck of being interviewed by Jonathan Charles, who in 2008 had produced an excellent radio documentary on the worldwide hunt for Nazi war criminals and so was well aware of Lithuania’s abysmal record.
                                  He challenged Mr Kubilius to explain the fact that not a single Lithuanian Nazi war criminal had been punished since independence.

                                  https://www.thejc.com/news/world/analysis-a-sinister-scheme-to-devalue-the-holocaust-is-gathering-steam-a0hp8n2x?reloadTime=1654646400011

                                  #101554 Reply
                                  AG

                                    Tatyana

                                    I guess the German term for “town-twinning” would be “Städtepartnerschaft” – partnership between towns/cities.
                                    “Bruderschaft” is something very different meaning “brotherhood”. Of course the RU can very well mean brotherhood.
                                    I am too surprised over this positive news item.

                                    It is obvious that below the line of media visibility things are way different. In how far that does change things is a different matter.

                                    #101593 Reply
                                    Tatyana

                                      thanks, AG.
                                      In Russian ‘побратим’ means not exactly Brotherhood. How to explain?
                                      Imagine 2 close friends who promise to support each other as if they are relatives, born brothers.
                                      People who swear to be brothers, usually decide to do so after they both survived something truly bad, like soldiers in war, or, another extreme conditions. There was a ritual in old old times of making small cuts on the skin (a thumb or a palm) and mixing their blood. From this moment people are ‘побратимы’, the verb is ‘брататься, побрататься’. Sort of expression to mark true friendship.

                                      On other side, German word Bruderschaft is used widely here in Russia in its German form ‘брудершафт’in one special situation – when people get as much to know each other as to shift from formal addressing Вы (plural form of You) to informal Ты (singular form of You). In Russian it is ‘Пить на Брудершафт’.
                                      Usually, one offers to other ‘to drink for Bruderschaft’. People get each a glass of drink, like champagne or vodka, they cross their arms with glasses and drink their drinks up to the end, most usually also embracing (or kissing if it’s a man and a woman) after they had their drink. Like this:
                                      https://frullato.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/kak-pravilno-pit-na-brudenshaft.jpg

                                      #101594 Reply
                                      Tatyana

                                        Actually, I came here to share news:
                                        The mayor of the Ukrainian city of Lvov (the capital of Galicia) spoke in the spirit that Ukrainian Nazis are sponsored by Moscow.
                                        This statement of his did not please the Ukrainian Nazis. The extremist Nazi organization of Ukraine, the Right Sector, namely its Lvov department, and specifically Ivan Smaga, the head of the local headquarters, publicly threatened the mayor.
                                        In a video address, at the Lvov town hall, Mr Smaga, against the background of a line of people with torches, said that only nationalists will rule in Ukraine. He also said that if the mayor says again that they are sponsored by Moscow, then these will be his last words in his life. Smaga also said that earlier the mayor had already been warned not to say so.

                                        Actually, I came with this news, since there are people on the site who do not see problems with Nazism in Ukraine, in particular, claiming that there are few of them there, no more than the standard small number of marginal underground people of such an ideology in any country in the world.
                                        I’d like to hear their assessment of whether they see Nazi threats against city administration as normal, and whether they want this to become the norm in their own country too?

                                        #101627 Reply
                                        Jack

                                          It is absolutely crazy how anti-democratic, discriminatory politics targeting ethnic Russians in the Baltics could go on like this:

                                          EU state to ban non-Western citizens from voting – state media

                                          Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians are set to be stripped of the right to participate in local elections in Estonia

                                          https://swentr.site/russia/607355-estonia-voting-rights-changes/

                                          What if some nation said, oh Arabs or Jews cannot vote because they are not loyal to our state.
                                          But when the Baltics target Russians, it is not even reported in the western media. It is just moves like this that make it more and more possible that there will eventually be a clash between Russia and these anti-Russian nations. Instead of trying to unite ALL Estonians, they exclude and shame the ethnic Russians time and time again.

                                          #101646 Reply
                                          Jack

                                            Quite disgusting to see how europe actively work against peace after was Trump elected, if a war between west and Russia would break out, it will not be a war waged on the american soil but the european soil and here we have idiotic european regimes want to escalate the war in Ukraine to the very likely possibilty that it will spill over in europe!

                                            UK and France to push Biden to escalate Ukraine conflict – Telegraph
                                            Getting US permission for Kiev to fire Storm Shadow missiles would “thwart” Trump’s likely policy change, the newspaper said

                                            https://swentr.site/news/607454-uk-france-storm-shadow/

                                            How would longdistance missiles change anything for Ukraine? It is not like RUssia lack longdistance missiles. I mean what are even the endgame for these nasty regimes of UK, France?!

                                            #101652 Reply
                                            Tatyana

                                              Jack
                                              Don’t take my armchair analysis too seriously – it’s dictated by my affiliation with a small, but quite real business – I see things like this:

                                              The US with a population of about 350 million people and declaring a standard of living for its citizens higher than in the rest of the world.
                                              How to feed them all?
                                              How to ensure this level of consumption?
                                              What product with a unique competitive advantage can the US offer on global markets?

                                              China has taken the lead in the production of consumer goods, including electronics. Energy? The US, of course, is trying to control markets, producers, and transportation routes. But this is a shaky position, roughly speaking, until the market tells them to fuck off. Food? Food production involves a lot of unskilled low-paid labor, so it’s unlikely that the US considers food production as a guarantor of its prosperity.

                                              Information technology is very good as long as you are a monopolist, but unfortunately it’s easily copied by competitors and may easily be limited by local legislation.

                                              But there’s an obvious unique position of the USA in the world – military infrastructure, including bases, satellites, loyal governments and a military-industrial complex. Demand for such a service may be ‘discovered’ via simply inviting people to talk about their sorrow and unjustice. The problem then can be exaggerated, where a network of agents-salesmen who persuade “clients” to use these services will come in very handy. I do really see it as normal process in sales – identifying needs and proposing solutions. In this case, the product to sell is a military solution.

                                              And if you look at it through my eyes, many pieces of the puzzle will fall into place. This explains why diplomacy was rejected, and why responsible positions of heads of state in Europe are now occupied not by politicians and strategists, but by some clowns, lobbyists, artists and other riffraff from the sphere of influence on public opinion. “US’ support” is promoted as a brand, with accompanying merch and advertising slogans.
                                              Looking at some countries, like Britain, I wonder if they bought a franchise from the USA and pay them lump sum fees 🙂 It may well be true, given how Hunter Biden’s friend testified that Hunter traded on the reputation and name of his country.

                                              If you give a chance to the idea that war is a business for the US, then it becomes clear why the Nord Streams were blown up – preparing to make money on the European war, this is the right move to maximize profits. Sorry for cynisism. Wartime requires energy-intensive production, and the explosion of the Nord Streams allowed them to be transferred to the US, plus an additional bonus – the sale of LNG.

                                              On a serious note, the US is irreparably damaging its reputation. On bigger scale and longer distance, it’s not the ‘goods’ that I’d sell if I want to be in the market for long.

                                              #101682 Reply
                                              AG

                                                Jack
                                                As it´s standing now, there won´t be any policy change.

                                                I might not agree with Ritter´s hysteria, but he does have a point:

                                                “TRUMP WINS – A NEW PRESIDENT WITH OLD PROBLEMS – WITH ANDREI MARTYANOV AND SCOTT RITTER”
                                                host Garlan Nixon
                                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sosNSNPLnCU

                                                #101763 Reply
                                                Tatyana

                                                  Guys, we have a wave of discussions about the reasons for the SMO. Today I came across a rather detailed chronology of Ukraine-NATO relations, so decided to leave it here in this thread.

                                                  90’s
                                                  1992 Ukraine joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council

                                                  1992 September, Opening of the Ukrainian Embassy in Brussels. NATO headquarters are located in Brussels

                                                  1994 February, Ukraine signed a framework agreement with NATO as part of the Partnership for Peace initiative

                                                  1995 to 2003 Ukraine and the United States conduct annual Peace Shield exercises

                                                  1997 July, the NATO-Ukraine Charter on a Distinctive Partnership was signed at the Madrid NATO summit

                                                  1997 July, the command and staff exercises “Cooperative Neighbour-1997” were held in Yavoriv

                                                  1997, Yeltsin and Kuchma signed an agreement on the presence of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol for the next 20 years (until 2017)

                                                  1997 An agreement was signed between the Russian Federation and NATO on the non-deployment of permanent NATO bases in the countries of Eastern Europe and the Baltic States

                                                  1997 The NATO Information and Documentation Center opened in Kiev

                                                  1998 A Ukrainian representative office appeared at NATO headquarters and a special military representative of Ukraine began working

                                                  1998 November, President Kuchma signed the “Program of cooperation between Ukraine and NATO for the period until 2001”

                                                  1999 April, a NATO mission opened in Kiev

                                                  1999 June, Ukraine supported NATO’s operation in the Balkans

                                                  1999 The Ukraine-NATO summit took place

                                                  #101764 Reply
                                                  Tatyana

                                                    00’s
                                                    2000 For the first time in history, the annual meeting of NATO’s main political body, the North Atlantic Council, was held in Kiev, outside of NATO member states

                                                    2000 Ukraine and NATO signed the “Status of Forces Agreement”

                                                    2001 the International Peacekeeping and Security Center’s training center was opened in Yavorov, ​​Lvov Oblast

                                                    2002 The Ukraine-NATO summit was held

                                                    2002 The “Individual Partnership Plan with NATO” was adopted

                                                    2002 May, the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine adopted the Strategy for NATO, which envisaged a revision of the non-aligned status in favor of starting a process, the ultimate goal of which was to be Ukraine’s full membership in NATO

                                                    2002 July within the framework of the “Partnership for Peace” program, Ukraine and NATO signed a memorandum on Ukraine’s support for NATO operations

                                                    2002 November, NATO-Ukraine Action Plan was adopted, relations were further strengthened, and annual Ukraine-NATO Target Plans were developed within the framework of this plan

                                                    2002 the Cooperative Adventure-2002 exercises were held on the territory of Ukraine, which became the largest NATO exercises on the territory of the CIS countries (Exercises with NATO were held earlier as well. Later, joint exercises with NATO became almost annual)

                                                    2003 Ukraine supported the US operation in Iraq, sending its “peacekeeping contingent” to the region

                                                    2004 April, the Verkhovna Rada adopted a law on free access of NATO forces to the territory of Ukraine

                                                    2004 June, the Military Doctrine of Ukraine included a provision on Ukraine’s implementation of a policy of Euro-Atlantic integration, the ultimate goal of which was defined as joining NATO

                                                    2004 July, following the meeting of the Ukraine-NATO commission, President Kuchma issued a decree stating that joining NATO was no longer the country’s goal, only “a significant deepening of relations with NATO and the European Union as guarantors of security and stability in Europe” was necessary

                                                    2004 August, US Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and Ukrainian President Kuchma meet in Crimea

                                                    2005 April, after the Orange “revolution” and Yushchenko’s rise to power, a meeting of the “Ukraine-NATO” commission was held as part of an informal meeting of NATO foreign ministers. Cooperation with NATO acquired the format of “Accelerated Dialogue”, which was intended to be the first step towards Ukraine’s entry into NATO

                                                    2005 April, Yushchenko returned Ukraine’s strategic goal of “full membership in NATO and the EU” to the military doctrine of Ukraine

                                                    2006 January, in Budapest, following a meeting of NATO defense ministers and Ukrainian Defense Minister Gritsenko, it was announced that these countries were ready to support Ukraine’s accession to NATO

                                                    2006 April, at a meeting of NATO foreign ministers, NATO Secretary General Appathurai’s representative stated that all members of the alliance supported Ukraine’s rapid integration into NATO. Russia, for its part, expressed concern about this development

                                                    2006 September, after Prime Minister Yanukovych became head of government, a turn was outlined in Ukraine’s foreign policy. Yanukovych’s foreign policy statements contradicted Yushchenko’s course

                                                    2006 August, the press service of the new Ukrainian government reported that Ukraine was postponing the adoption of a “NATO membership action plan.”

                                                    2006 September, Yanukovych paid a working visit to Brussels, where he made a statement about Ukraine’s unreadiness to join NATO

                                                    2008 April, the US made significant efforts to convince its NATO allies of the need to join Georgia and Ukraine to the MAP at the Bucharest summit of the alliance. This caused complications in relations between Russia and NATO

                                                    2008 A scandal occurred, the reason for which was the statement of the NATO Secretary General that the organization had received a letter signed by the President of Ukraine, Prime Minister Tymoshenko and Speaker of Parliament Yatsenyuk with a request to join Ukraine to the “NATO Membership Action Plan”.

                                                    2009 August, the Declaration on the Supplement to the Charter on a Distinctive Partnership was signed at NATO headquarters

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                                                      2010 Yanukovych came to power. Ukraine’s foreign policy priority again became its non-aligned status (neutrality). The law “On the Fundamentals of Domestic and Foreign Policy” was adopted

                                                      2010 April, Yanukovych liquidated the interdepartmental commission on issues of preparing the country for joining NATO and the national center for Euro-Atlantic integration

                                                      2010 April, in Kharkov, Presidents Medvedev and Yanukovych signed an agreement to extend the stay of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol from 2017 to 2042. This caused indignation among the Ukrainian opposition and a scuffle in the Verkhovna Rada

                                                      2010 November, NATO summit confirms previous line on Ukraine’s involvement in NATO’s Strategic Concept

                                                      2013 February, Ukraine officially joins NATO’s counter-piracy operation “Ocean Shield”

                                                      2013 November, NATO International Secretariat delegation visits Ukraine

                                                      2014 February, Ukraine’s government changes

                                                      2014 February, NATO Council delegation visits

                                                      2014 March, Russia takes Crimea

                                                      2014 March, Ukrainian military delegation travels to NATO headquarters in Brussels to discuss “directions for strengthening cooperation” between Ukraine and NATO

                                                      2014 April, DPR and LPR formed (Donetsk People’s Republic and Lughansk People’s Republic)

                                                      2014 April, law on allowing units of other countries’ armed forces to enter Ukrainian territory to participate in multinational exercises was adopted

                                                      2014 from May to November, Ukraine is scheduled to participate in 15 NATO exercises

                                                      2014 NATO Secretary General Rasmussen said at a meeting of the alliance’s defense ministers in Brussels that NATO remains a “sincere friend of Ukraine”

                                                      2014 December, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted a bill introduced by President Poroshenko, which abolished Ukraine’s non-aligned status

                                                      2015 January, NATO delegation visits Ukraine to hold the 20th meeting of the Ukraine-NATO joint working group in Kiev

                                                      2015 September, Military doctrine adopted, priority task “deepening cooperation with NATO and achieving full compatibility of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with the armies of NATO member countries by 2020”

                                                      2016 July, At the NATO summit, Russia was recognized as the main security threat to the alliance, and its containment was officially declared a new NATO mission

                                                      2017 June, The Verkhovna Rada enshrined at the legislative level: NATO membership is one of Ukraine’s foreign policy priorities

                                                      2017 July, NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg opened a new office of the organization in Kiev

                                                      2018 March, Ukraine received the status of a NATO aspirant country. Poroshenko requested that his country be provided with an action plan for NATO membership

                                                      2018 July, President Poroshenko signed the law “On National Security of Ukraine”, which will contribute to achieving compatibility in the defense sphere with NATO countries

                                                      2018 July, in Brussels, as part of the NATO summit, a meeting was held in the Ukraine-Georgia-NATO format

                                                      In 2019, constitutional amendments came into force, enshrining the strategic course for Ukraine to gain full membership in the European Union and NATO at the level of a constitutional norm

                                                      2019 September, in New York, Zelensky met with NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg

                                                      2019 October, NATO Council and NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg visited Ukraine

                                                      2020 June, NATO granted Ukraine Enhanced Opportunities Partner status

                                                      2021 eight joint exercises of Ukraine with NATO countries were held

                                                      In June 2021, NATO leaders confirmed the decision of the 2008 Bucharest summit that Ukraine would be granted a NATO Membership Action Plan

                                                      2021 November, a meeting of NATO foreign ministers was held in Riga, to which the foreign ministers of Ukraine and Georgia were invited

                                                      2021 December, the Russian Foreign Ministry published a draft agreement with the United States and NATO countries on ensuring the security of Russia and the alliance member countries. Namely, to legally enshrine NATO’s refusal to further expand to the east and to allow Ukraine to join the alliance. Kiev considers such demands unacceptable

                                                      2021 December, NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg rejected Moscow’s demands

                                                      10 exercises with NATO members are planned for 2022

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