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August 26, 2019 at 19:57 #46753Paul Barbara
Only after completing 100 lines: ‘I confess Paul is virtually always right’.August 26, 2019 at 22:53 #46754Paul Barbara
Look through the list of vaccine injuries, and notice not one case mentions autism.
I wonder what the reason could be? Oh, I wonder if it could possibly be because: ‘…That fund, the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund, is currently over $3.5 billion, largely because the U.S. Government refuses to even hear cases related to autism which would quickly deplete the fund. (See: How the Government has Earned $3.5 BILLION from the Claim that Vaccines Don’t Cause Autism.)…’
Crafty lot, aren’t they? But megabucks at stake…
One of the agencies (I believe it was the CDC) even admitted only about 1% of vaccine injuries even get reported.August 26, 2019 at 23:10 #46755Paul Barbara
‘Nonprofit Drug Maker Produces TB Antibiotic After Private Companies Wouldn’t’:
Nonprofit Drug Maker Produces TB Antibiotic After Private Companies Wouldn’t
There are still decent people who work to truly cure or assist sick people, whose primary care is not filthy lucre.
And I’m sure they earn a decent living.
Companies need to make a profit, but not obscene profits at the patients’ or taxpayers’ expense, and by shady and dangerous illegalities.August 27, 2019 at 15:56 #46757Paul Barbara
Did Goldacre teach you the ‘straw-man’ technique, or did you teach him?
‘…“they are conspiring to kill us all, so every anti-establishment position is more true than theirs”.’ is not my argument, as should be clear to you.August 29, 2019 at 20:29 #46784Paul Barbara
‘The Persecution of David Noakes & Lyn Thyer’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpHFkhIBiR8
I’ve known the presenter for years, and have met David Noakes.August 31, 2019 at 09:14 #46794Paul Barbara
‘..Inquisitr.com reports: In her blog, Attkisson cites a buried JAMA study from almost a decade ago which showed that there was no improvement in mortality rates among senior citizens with a flu vaccine, even after greatly increased vaccination rates. The study “got little attention,” she says, “because the science came down on the wrong side.”
Whereas the researchers had set out to prove that the push for massive flu vaccination would save the world, the researchers were “astonished” to find that the data did not support their presupposition at all. The data actually shows that deaths increased, not decreased, among seniors following vaccination…’
Questions must be asked, then, such as: do the benefits of getting a flu vaccine outweigh the risks, especially among vulnerable senior citizens? Or would they be better off choosing to reject the shot? Who benefits if evidence showing the harm of the vaccine is buried?..’September 3, 2019 at 11:45 #46822Clark
– “You carry on, giving the PTB the benefit of the doubt.”
– “Did Goldacre teach you the ‘straw-man’ technique, or did you teach him?”September 3, 2019 at 12:04 #46823Clark
Here is the article you accuse of trying “to destroy the credibility of the two researchers”:September 3, 2019 at 12:07 #46824ClarkSeptember 3, 2019 at 12:10 #46825ClarkSeptember 3, 2019 at 12:14 #46826ClarkSeptember 3, 2019 at 12:23 #46827Clark
– “do the benefits of getting a flu vaccine outweigh the risks?”
Science = “whatever Paul says”.September 3, 2019 at 12:25 #46828Clark
Oh, so David Noakes isn’t a millionaire who tried to gain political power then?
I thought you claimed to have a distrust of the ‘elite’?September 3, 2019 at 13:32 #46839Clark
As best I can make out, your argument goes like this:September 5, 2019 at 07:32 #46852Paul Barbara
No, David Noakes isn’t a millionaire, he’s been robbed of everything.
He is not one of the ‘Elite’, he was a well-meaning entrepreneur (in the mold of Aaron Russo).
Just en passant, Prof. Leroy Hulsey’s report is out, in case your interested. I’m not proposing we discuss it, just letting you know things are moving on that front.September 5, 2019 at 07:37 #46853Paul Barbara
If you check the list of payments for ill effects by the Vaccine Court (that I put up here previously) you will note that most of the payments are re the Flu Vaccine. Do you take it? I don’t.September 5, 2019 at 07:52 #46855Paul Barbara
I don’t agree with Noakes’ politics; I voted out, but like Craig believe some kind of deal like I think Norway has with the EU would be fine. The one thing I don’t want to see is us as under the thumb of the US and it’s ‘Trade Deals’, forcing all manner of junk down our throats like GMO’s, chlorinated chicken, hormone-filled beef and dairy and pesticides, herbicides and 5G for afters. And of course, bye bye NHS.
I wanted out because I saw the EU as a massive building block of the NWO; I still see it that way, but I had not understood we would be putting ourselves at the mercy of the Yanks and their ‘Deals’ that we couldn’t refuse (at least, they wouldn’t be refused by the Tories).
Sure, I tie in a lot of different things in this thread, because the issues are linked by the bad results they will have for the majority, and the vast profits they have for the PTB.
If your Goldacre has spent 400 pages informing you and anyone else who reads his book just how evil Big Pharma is, I’m surprised it hasn’t percolated through to you yet.September 5, 2019 at 08:27 #46856Paul Barbara
“I have presented so many examples that there must be corruption. As corruption has been proven, all my examples are almost certainly true”.
That is broadly my position – I give so many examples that it hopefully becomes apparent that these big corporations are corrupt and evil – any exception (if you can find any) will prove the rule.
And these same evil, corrupt corporations, as well as foreign governments, bribe and/or blackmail the eminently corruptible politicians who rule us. So they easily gain effective control of ‘Regulatory Agencies’, which are often infiltrated by ‘revolving door’ corporation plants, or emasculated by corporation lobbying of the government.
Yesterday, I more-or-less politely declined the kind offer of electric and gas ‘Smart’ meters, another killer.
When asked why, I replied ‘Because I’m not stupid’. 5G, Fracking, GMO’s, Regime Change wars – when are people going to wise up?September 5, 2019 at 13:22 #46869Clark
– “I’m surprised it hasn’t percolated through to you yet”
homeopathy works andthe MMR vaccine causes autism.’”September 5, 2019 at 13:33 #46870Clark
He’s not a scientist or an academic. He worked for the MSM and JP Morgan Chase Bank.
– “Prof. Leroy Hulsey’s report is out…”September 5, 2019 at 13:44 #46871Clark
– “when are people going to wise up?”September 5, 2019 at 22:20 #46888Paul Barbara
Don’t worry, I’m fully aware how insidious the Devil is, he runs the world.
And yes, he has power over all of us, to an extent, generally working through our subconscious.
But many people actively collaborate with the Devil, effectively selling their souls for wealth and power on this earth.
I believe that the Devil is an actual entity, and he has armies of demons at his command.
I don’t expect you to agree, but that is what I believe, literally.
@ September 5, 2019 at 13:22 you state:
‘…But I don’t think MMR causes autism etc.,..’ Just how scientific is that? You don’t think so, so you must be right. Exactly the kind of thinking you accuse me of! Essentially, you accept the ‘Official Narrative’, and dismiss all alternative views and evidence.
And it is not an isolated occurrence. You have preferred your own inexpert opinion over experts in other fields.September 5, 2019 at 23:33 #46890Clark
Here is some of the sort of evidence I base my view on:September 6, 2019 at 00:18 #46893Paul Barbara
And here is an example of an info source I get my opinions from:
‘Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Nails the Vaccine Argument’:
‘..Now, all of the vaccines on the schedule, and all medical products, are required to list whatever safety testing they do. Not one of these has ever used a placebo. But some of them do safety testing anyway, like the polio vaccine, for maybe 48 hours.
Seems some disconnect between your sites figures and RFK Jr.’s. I trust his.
I shall try to send RFK Jr. the ‘evidence’ you quote, and I shall try to send RFK Jr.’s article to Cochrane, askinf them respectively to critique the other. It will take some time, I should imagine, before I get responses, if I do.September 6, 2019 at 00:31 #46894Paul Barbara
When I tried to find your quote on the link you provided, I could not find it.
Can you please check if you sent me the right link, and if so, explain where your quote is?
I intend to send it to RFK Jr., with a request to comment on it (as I explain below in another comment).
‘…Here is some of the sort of evidence I base my view on:September 6, 2019 at 00:43 #46895Paul Barbara
How do you reconcile your claims of the safety of the MMR Vaccine against the information RFK Jr. gives re the absolute minimalistic 800 children ‘Safety Test’?
Basically, I am not medical/technical minded, just an average Joe, and I’m asking if you would give me a critique of what RFK Jr. has written, or of the transcript of his talk, which I forward here, because the two attitudes to MMR safety differ so fundamentally:
‘Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. Nails the Vaccine Argument’:
I must add I favour RFK Jr.’s take.September 6, 2019 at 01:19 #46897Paul Barbara
‘…According to a MedAlerts search of the FDA Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database, as of 2/5/19, the cumulative raw count of adverse events from measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines alone was: 93,929 adverse events, 1,810 disabilities, 6,902 hospitalizations, and 463 deaths….’
And these bought ‘Legislators’ want a child’s right to education reliant on playing their ‘Russian Roulette’?
And that is without taking autism into account, because the Vaccine Court refuses to even look at cases of autism, never mind compensate them. It pretends that vaccines can’t cause autism.
Knocked over by a car? But the car was only going at 20 MPH, so you obviously died because you had a thin skull. Act of God!September 6, 2019 at 01:30 #46899ClarkSeptember 6, 2019 at 01:41 #46900ClarkSeptember 6, 2019 at 01:50 #46901Clark
– “Not one of these has ever used a placebo”September 6, 2019 at 02:17 #46904Clark
This is all a massive distraction.
The fundamental evil is capitalism, which sets everyone in competition with everyone else.September 6, 2019 at 02:29 #46905Clark
The Cochrane authors already answered you; it’s in the section “Authors conclusion”:
Why did you not see it? Had the devil blinded you to good works?September 6, 2019 at 02:32 #46906ClarkSeptember 6, 2019 at 02:40 #46907Paul Barbara
Thanks for pointing out the quote. I’ll send it tomorrow (too tired now).September 6, 2019 at 04:29 #46916Clark
Good on you Paul for giving RFK the information, and the opportunity to argue his case.September 6, 2019 at 10:06 #46928Paul Barbara
‘…“The design and reporting of safety outcomes in MMR vaccine studies, both pre‐ and post‐marketing, are largely inadequate.”…’
How come you never saw it? If you did, how do you still accept that the MMR is safe?September 6, 2019 at 10:12 #46930Paul Barbara
Here’s Cochrane’s (very speedy) answer:
‘Thank you for your message.
So they pass on commenting on RFK Jr.’s speech/transcript. Pity they couldn’t stretch their parameters a bit to indicate where they think he is wrong. Hopefully I’ll get a better response from RFK Jr.September 6, 2019 at 10:33 #46931Paul Barbara
‘..The adverse events, disabilities, hospitalizations and deaths from vaccination must be weighed against the adverse events, disabilities, hospitalizations and deaths from measles, mumps and rubella. Note that the figures are cumulative, so these are since records of MMR began…’
So where are the lists of the adverse events, disabilities, hospitalizations and deaths from measles, mumps and rubella?
And notice the CDC’s own investigation which they funded showed only about 1% of adverse reactions gets reported, which caused the CDC to cut the funding and stop the investigation continuing:
‘It’s True, Less Than 1% of Vaccine Adverse Effects Are Reported’:
‘…This was clearly alarming and would have rocked the entire industry if given the light of day. Vaccine adverse events are supposed to be rare; they shouldn’t occur in over 2 percent of shots. So, the CDC buried the study and cut ties with the researchers.September 6, 2019 at 11:04 #46932Paul Barbara
‘..This is all a massive distraction….’ Not for those affected.
‘..The fundamental evil is capitalism, which sets everyone in competition with everyone else…’
So what to do? End capitalism?
Much easier to campaign for no mandatory vaccines, and proper vaccine testing and accountability from the Big Pharma Corporations.
Or just stand around, wringing our hands and tearing our hair, and letting the murderous Big Pharma and their government and media cronies carry on poisoning us and our children?September 6, 2019 at 11:27 #46933Paul Barbara
‘Germany ‘among worst in Europe’ for vaccinating children’:
‘..”It is sad that Germany comes in last in Europe in terms of eliminating measles,” said President of Berlin’s Robert Koch Institute (RKI) Lothar Wieler in a recent report…’
‘..However, despite lagging behind the desired vaccination rate, 2016 saw a dramatic drop in reported cases of measles…’
Ah, but….’11 Countries with the Highest Rates of Autism in the World’:
‘…This theory fails to explain the low autism prevalence in countries like France, with 5 cases in 10,000 people or Germany, with just 1.9. Germany’s neighbor Denmark has an autism rate of 68 cases in 10,000 people, which is a staggering difference…’
I wonder if there isn’t a link between Germany’s low rate of vaccination, and there very low number of autism cases?
Possibly because the child wasn’t vaccinated – I admit.
But, what is more dangerous? The vaccine, or the measles?
‘Measles Vaccines Kill More People than Measles, CDC Data Proves’:
‘…Parents concerned about their vaccinated children potentially contracting measles from unvaccinated children may want to consider the fact that the bigger health threat is technically the vaccine, not the disease itself. Comparative data provided by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reveal that nobody has died from measles in more than 10 years, while at least 108 deaths reported in VAERS during the same time frame have been linked to measles vaccines….’
And of course, we know that VAERS reporting of adverse reactions is extremely low….