The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
One of the few articles which brought a human perspective to the situation was the following in the Guardian:
“Alps shootings survivor’s return to UK offers ray of light in complex case” 2012-09-14 Lizzy Davies.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/14/alps-shootings-survivor-return-uk
The Daily Mirror was against the war in Iraq. Does that make it a terrorist organisation too?
O/T My Wikileaks tapes Thing2Thing (T2T)arrived yesterday. From what I’ve seen up to now worth every penny with John Pilger, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg, Christine Assange(40 participants in all) and of course footage of the dreadful war-crimes the United States and NATO countries have inflicted on the poor people of the Middle East.
http://thing2thing.com/?p=2693
The other thing is your small contribution is helping to fund one of the few firewalls against US and Israeli-funded expansionism. You know what you should do.
There’s a bbc radio documentary on I-player worth listening to.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01mx27j/The_Report_Annecy_Killings/
Something occurs to me about the way that Mossad has been known to operate. If I remember correctly, Mordechai Vanunu was lured to Italy so that his abduction would not take place on British soil. This family were resident in Britain but were killed (I believe in a “professional” manner with two bullets to the head) in France, a country that since 1967 has been rather tougher with Israel than Britain has. Of course, from the assassin’s perspective, the deaths were “messed up” through the survival of two potential witnesses (and, perhaps, the death of a bystander), which isn’t that “professional”, but Mossad recently messed up the killing of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai too.
I should perhaps also say that if I were a Western country faced with the prospect of a few illegal assassinations vs. the prospect of yet another disastrous war in the Middle East, I might not try too hard to investigate the agency responsible.
I’m going to post something in various UK and North America-based progressive Muslim groups on Facebook of which I am a member – I think we could do with someone fluent and literate in Arabic/someone familiar with the dynamics within the Iraqi British community. I’ll ask if anyone there has any thoughts on the matter. Let’s see. My appeal to Swedish people who have been commenting on the ‘Assange/Ardin’ thread did not result in any ‘crossover’; I’d hoped it might, wrt the Swedish media/narratives in relation to the grandmother. Not that such folk would necessarily know any more than the rest of us. But it’s another string to the collective bow.
If they were in the habit of holidaying in France (which, as far as I know, they were), it would have been easy enough to plan.
Scots Anorak, we don’t know yet who ordered the hit, nor do we know who did it. And I would argue that the assassinations of Iranian scientists by Israel actually makes war more, not less, likely.
I see – some here may already know this – that there is a blog forum on the web called, ‘The Real Iraq – British Iraqi Forum’. Does anyone know who runs it? Might be worth asking people there what they think.
britishiraqiforum.wordpress.com/2011/10/29/the-real-iraq/
I spent at least half an hour watching the press conference in France by the police shortly after the killings. My first reaction was how casual and unconcerned the French police appeared. I say appeared, after all the police deal with tragedy all the time. Nevertheless they didn’t seem in a hurry, there were plenty of smiles. Perhaps this is just French cool.
French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
yup doze frenchie fellas sure nose how to treat a crime scene.
der raf lie in fella said der scene was gust like der movie and der telly : )
der link bell low is not likes a filum crime scene
http://www.france24.com/fr/files_fr/article/image/tuerie-chevaline-enquete.jpg
Saad joined Kingston wheelers in 1997 proving he’s been local for 15+ years and a very keen cyclist.
http://www.kingstonwheelers.co.uk/kwccforum/viewtopic.php?t=8204&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=44f8be9d784fbd3e0a850bf829f2ea08
Club runs are the leisurely outings each Sunday but not a race meeting every Sunday at 9am come rain or shine 40 miles +
{http://www.kingstonwheelers.com/clubrun.shtml}
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There’s a bbc radio documentary on I-player worth listening to.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01mx27j/The_Report_Annecy_Killings/
why wood yer do dat might as well get a press release from m16 as listen to der filthy
lie in bbc.
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. Of course, from the assassin’s perspective, the deaths were “messed up” through the survival of two potential witnesses (and, perhaps, the death of a bystander).
youse is smokin crack der fella.
der bystander was a zirconium specialist from areva a corrupt bankrupt nuclear specialist.
zirc rods important for iran and faulty ones probably used in fuckyuppyshima.
@all
Ref the DA notice question.
CRYPTONYM posted the following on Thread I on Sept. 7th…
I copied the few commments on the indymedia site, earlier, just after the DA-notice comment from ‘Manchester based Journalist’, but not including the comment of 15:12 quoted by Anon here, concerning General Yossi Ben Hanan (chief of defence at Paris Israeli embassy) picking up three unknown others in helicopter at Chambrey Airport (close to the scene).
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His company
06.09.2012 13:36
He was set up by Mi6 in 2007 in a front company called AMS1087 which did aircraft based photography. They were based at the Delta office park in Wiltshire which is built on part of the old ‘Turnstile’ nuclear Command and Control bunker and is still owned by the MoD. He was loaned RAF trainer aircraft at no cost to help him get established as well as pilots and because of these advantages his company originally thrived however once he started to visit Iran in late 2010 he lost a lot of (MoD supplied) private contracts and the business almost collapsed.
It is interesting that they let him wander around France with no protection even though they knew he was an Israeli “sikul memukad” or high profile target. A deserted country road would have been ideal for the Israeli kill team sent after him.
Looks like he either outlived his usefulness or went ‘rogue’
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Watching
The cyclist who found the body was an RAF airman !!!
06.09.2012 13:48
What an amazing coincidence that the first person on the scene was a member of the RAF Regiment (the Air Force army branch) who just had to be passing on his bike !!!
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Ian
British Embassy sends twenty person team to crime scene
06.09.2012 14:05
In an unprecedented action the British Embassy in Paris has sent a twenty person team to the crime scene headed by Kara Owen the deputy British ambassador. According to local TV station ‘Demain’ people describe the British Embassy staff as being “military type”.
There is developing a cover up of massive proportions to protect Israel.
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Remember this day
Looks like they were attempting to run
06.09.2012 14:27
The local police (before they were shut up) said that the family had multiple passports including British, Iraqi, Swedish and UAE. It seems they were travelling cross country perhaps back to Iraq where they would feel safe .
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Drudge
Defence Advisory Notice is in effect here
06.09.2012 14:41
Today at 0750 we received information that a Defence Advisory Notice or ‘D Notice’ was in effect with regard to certain facts about this story.
No mention of his links to the Security Services
No mention of his links to Iran
No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing
The only place you are going to read about the real facts of this story are on sites like Indymedia.
Manchester based Journalist
Notice that MOSSAD is actually fingered, the Kidon Hit Team is exposed by SIS via the DA notice, para 4
Today at 0750 we received information that a Defence Advisory Notice or ‘D Notice’ was in effect with regard to certain facts about this story.
1 No mention of his links to the Security Services
2 No mention of his links to Iran
3 No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
4 No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing.
To spell it out:
No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing
Mark Golding – Children Of Iraq Association
7 Sep, 2012 – 7:35 pm
According to an Iraqi doctor who declined to be named, Saad Al-Hilli was working with British Intelligence agents trying to persuade Iraqi commanders to issue instructions to their forces in the field to surrender before the US-imposed 2003 deadline for President Saddam to leave the country expired. An attempt was made to isolate those in Saddam’s immediate circle in Baghdad and negate orders they would give to Iraqi commanders situated in bunkers elsewhere in Iraq.
To spell it out
Saad Al-Hilli was working with British Intelligence agents trying to persuade Iraqi commanders to issue instructions to their forces in the field to surrender.
@Trowbridge H. Ford
Seems to me that we have reached this point in our searches, but please correct me if I am wrong, or have left out something important:
1. Al-Hilli could have helped Saddam in his hopes of still gaining nuclear weapons after the first Gulf War, making him most bitter after his ouster in the second one.
2. Al-Hilli in meeting, marrying and having children with Iranian Suhaila al-Allaf became so committed to seeking revenge against the perpetrators of the Gulf Wars, especially because of the losses Iran had experienced through NRO-made earthquakes in keeping Tehran at bay during them, that he ultimately decided to spy for the Iranians, particularly because of paranoia about Israel’s role in the process.
3. Al-Hilli’s work at SSTL gave him access to information and know-how about new miniature, radar satellites which would alert Tehran about the dangers its nuclear and weapons programs faced and what counter measures to adopt, and how it could catch up in the intelligence-gathering game.
4. Unfortunately for him and the Iranians, the West learned of what he was up to, thanks to eavesdropping by America’s National Security Agency and its allies, and arranged for him and his whole family to be killed with help from France, Israel and the UK.
5. France arranged for Sylvain Mollier to meet him, acting as if he were an emissary from Tehran so that he could make up for his past mistakes, while Tel Aviv got its Mossad kidon going for the kill, and loads of sayonim in action to explain away what happened – like in the David Kelly murder. Brett Martin was the Brits clean-up man to make sure that nothing got out of control during the cover-up.
6. London sent enough messages about an apparent DA so that everyone knew to play it cool when it came to writing it up.
7. STV’s Lars Borgnäs got the process started in Sweden, as he had done in the Anna Lindh assassination, by getting Säpo involved in a wild-goose hunt for crazy Haydar Thaher, Mrs. al.Hilli’s brother who was then incarcerated in an English mental hospital.
8. The media in general was then too busily occupied with all kinds of predictions and stories about the final showdown by the West with Tehran to pay much attention.
Conclusion: Case closed.
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Excellent summary! I’d go along with most of it.
Kinda gets vague as to the hit though, a set-up or not.
Could have been that SAH regularly had meets with Sylvain over the years, thus he felt safe.
BUT, it was to be their last rendezvous. SAH may well have been going to do a flit after the meet, hence all the passports in the car, see the Manchester journalist stuff above.
Kidon were waiting to take out both, and France nor the UK nor the USA would have been informed.
The 3 would have nixed it as being far too risky.
So I think Mossad went it alone and sprung a nasty surprise – remember, our SIS chief has been visiting BIBI twice recently, to get him on some serious valium.
Why a nasty surprise? Because of panic stations, the 20 man team airlifted to Chaveline sur le Mort, and the slightly late DA notice, too late to stop initial accurate reports. See above from CRYPTONYM.
OBOMBYA is refusing to even meet with BIBI, he has just been snubbed AGAIN.
BIBI recently went apeshit and started screaming at the US ambassador.
I think BIBI said to Mossad, “F%%k ‘em, let’s show them who’s boss!”…
Tony Roma,
There is a chance that Sylvain was talking to, possibly about to talk to Saad when the first shots were fired in his back. Maybe from the thick bushes by the right handside of the car. Beyond the taped off crime scene area. Maybe go there now with a metal detector and find who knows what.
name all-hilli
country engerland
satellite skyfall
location peru
all the old soldiers love poppies don’t ya know.
helmand export for queen not so much for country
http://picturepush.com/public/9382345
http://picturepush.com/public/9383342
DEFENSE ADVISORY NOTICE PARAGRAPH FOUR
4. No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing.
To spell it out:
A four man Mossad Kidon hit team were responsible, at least two shooters using Berettas and their signature 7.65mm round.
Panic stations in spookland UK – war on the horizon, Israel to be protected at all costs from adverse blowback which would sway the international community against them.
Conclusion:
Carpet.Under.Sweep.
Case.Closed.
Useful table of facts and links can be found here:-
http://something-stinks.com/al-Hillli%20Murders.htm
Sorry, just posted this at the old 6000 Conundrum page.
@anyone
Did Jack mention the dentist wife ever? (the postman says they were a normal family, yet wasn’t sure there was a wife – that isn’t normal. no mention of children either)
Good point about Marilyn too.
Wonder who did the school (and perhaps nursery too) run?
Finally, why was Ikbal Al-Saffar’s address listed at the accountant’s??
Director check lists both Al-Hillis at 26 Oaken Lane, yet the same site for the same company, SHtech lists Al-Saffar chez Julian at 33 Foley Road. Why?
http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/901903623
also 915809170 and 907379577
BtW, still had no time to listen, but did the R4 prog mention BM?? Same old stuff??
Kingston Whs a serious racing outfit.
The subject of the cryptic photo that Tony Roma posted above showing a background of poppies, the sort that are grown in Afghanistan.
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=9105472&privcapId=942357&previousCapId=50176777&previousTitle=3Roam%20SA
So many jobs, so many contacts.
Queen’s Jubilee Honours List 2002
CBE
John Richard Forrest. For services to the Radio and Communications Industry. (London, SW10)
“DEFENSE ADVISORY NOTICE PARAGRAPH FOUR
4. No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing.
To spell it out:
A four man Mossad Kidon hit team were responsible, at least two shooters using Berettas and their signature 7.65mm round.”
Same old conspiracy rubbish. This from the Mirror 9 days after this alleged DA notice was supposedly issued.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-islamic-rants-1326315
French police have said a single weapon was used and that it was a Luger. The older daughter also said there was only one “badman”. Mossad don’t have a monopoly on 7.65mm ammunition or people who can shoot straight but hey, when did the facts ever get in the way of a good conspiracy?
O/T Back home in a village in Palestine, last Friday. Note the length of time the two men were held with their wrists bound with plastic ties, left in the sun and manhandled. Note too the words of the Israeli soldier and the future for the Palestinian men.
Please send the appeal.
Arbitrary Arrest of Kufr Qeddoum activists
http://www.palestinematters.com/Arbitrary-Arrest-of-Kufr-Qeddoum-activists_Appeal_89.aspx
This was just one such incident in the village which is near Nablus. Others are reported here. {http://electronicintifada.net/tags/kufr-qaddoum}
@Mary
Mary very interesting info. The Bio about Forrest He was working during at the time of the strange deaths of the engineers and scientists .He joined Marconi Defence Systems in 1984 and served as its Technical Director, Vice President of Technology and Director of Engineering from 1986 to 1991.List of deaths at Marconi.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×3238877
@Craig
Nicely written. We’ll never know the answers, but maybe we’ll have a good idea when we’re being lied to. The final paragraph is fantastic.
French police have said a single weapon was used and that it was a Luger. The older daughter also said there was only one “badman”. Mossad don’t have a monopoly on 7.65mm ammunition or people who can shoot straight but hey, when did the facts ever get in the way of a good conspiracy?
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Kempe desperately tries to “diss” the DA notice that was published at many sites after the Mossad Kidon team hit.
The French police sourcrd have actually named several weapons as possibilities, and the number of spent catridges found has varied widely.
I am so pleased that you place your faith in the French police.
Fact is, they are not taking this seriously all.
No photos of victims.
No TV shows.
No appeals for information from the public.
No CCTV footage.
No roadblocks.
The crime scene opened immediately to a pack of reporters, contaminating everything.
Oops, the crime scene then CLOSED again.
Can’t make their minds up?
OK.
And NOW, opened again.
[Jon/Mod: deleted off-topic paragraph, please keep contributions civil]
@dave l
g during at the time of the strange deaths of the engineers and scientists .He joined Marconi Defence Systems in 1984 and served as its Technical Director, Vice President of Technology and Director of Engineering from
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Very nice find.
Sounds like another Peter Power, who was running an identical tube/bus/rail drill during the 7/7 bombings.
A similar drill was running during the Madrid and 911 false flags.
They always keep the same modus operandi, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.