The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Craig: You don’t suppose that influence from deep connections to the Torygraph, from the rabid Zionist Barbara Amiel, together with her disgraced husband and jailbird Conrad Black, could have anything to do with such flowery praise bestowed on this bunch of murderers?
Now bad people simply have to be “put down”, we know Zionists and the Amerikans understand this very well. And there is a most unfortunate – and regretted, very much regretted – cost of these imperatives when it comes to innocent bystanders. But how innocent could they really be, after all, if they’re in the vicinity of known evildoers? Nevertheless, we should take our hats off to the Mossad agents, ehem, whoever was tasked to do the killing, if they carried out the job while doing the Absolute Minimum Harm, particularly to small children.
Oh insults again. How clever.
You still haven’t explained how if a DA notice was issued on the 6th the Daily Mirror and others were able to safely ignore it on the 15th. The only source for this DA notice existing at all are sites like IndyMedia and frankly if they told me it was raining I’d go outside and check.
I have already mentioned the poor reputation the French police have. Had this crime been committed in the UK they’d have sealed off the area and not moved the car for days. Their failings in this respect cannot be taken as evidence of any conspiracy; it’s simply that they are incompetent.
Although it can’t be ruled out altogether there is not one shred of solid evidence that this was a Mossad “hit”. Speculation, wishful thinking and gut feeling do not constitute evidence.
@Anders
But there has been some MSM speculation re. Mossad e.g. the BBC R4 piece mentioned that this is a theory.
Yesterday, you may want to check this out as well:
{http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/the-al-hilli-conundrum/comment-page-33/#comment-365807}
On the old craig thread JAMES who is a pilot has had a ‘Eureka’ moment. There were pointers towards Saads other companies and those passed down to him by his late father.
He found them in DXB as James who is a pilot calls it. DXB is Dubai International Airport and Saad has companies and a second seperate life there.
He changed his locks on his Claygate house because I think he is now seperated from his wife, why there is no evidence of her there. she must live nearby but seperately.
All Saad’s money is in the Dubai life.
Whether this means he was offed I still believe he asked for a way out of this split life from the British government and they extracted him so he could live that other life in full.
A good start about explaining away the conspiracy murders, but still just a start.
I have complained about the lack of any serious coverage in Sweden on a news-blog site, The Local, when two of the victims are apparently Swedish, only to be chased off it by a barrage of personal abuse. Still I managed to get some of my essential information on the discussion thread.
But there was no follow-up by any of its media when my residence here is most well-known.
There wasn’t any even here after I brought leading Swedish TV investigator Lars Borgnäs and Svenska Dagbladet’s Peter Carlberg into the matter by speaking of their role in the cover up Meir Dagan’s murder of Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh.
And I have complained similarly to Dagens Nyheter’s Bo Andersson and Anders Hellberg about other conspiracies but without any result.
I have found talking to the media even about the spooks setting me up for murder, or as ‘Jihad Jane’s aka Colleen LaRose’s lover/assassin of Swedish cartoonist Lars Vilks a complete waste of time. The spooks themselves don’t even bother to listen.
The Lindh murder was accomplished by making Mijailo Mijailovic into a druggie Manchurian Candidate, and ordering him around to be in a position of kill her, and then his hearing ‘voices’ to do it – what he was ultimately obliged to deny so that he could get better treatment.
I have tried several times to get in touch with Borgnås now but he isn’t answering the phone at 530-361-09.
And Britain isn’t any better, as even a respectable paper like The Guardian, refuses to even post my request for a discussion of the murders in France.
When I go to post such a request, the spot for the message has this written in red ink: Your comments are being premoderated. Then when I mail it, this message appears also in red: Your comment is being moderated. Then nothing appears on the discussion thread of possible ones, and the comment section just goes blank.
As for any discussion of murders of a conspiratorial nature, whether single or mass ones, they are only mentioned as such in the Western media, just to dismiss them as more loony nonsence.
Until posters get real about what is really happening – whether it be about Dr. David Kelly, Royal Cadet Stephen Hilder, and Swedish statsminister Olof Palme, or mass killings like that of the 29 military and civilian intelligenc officers on that Chinook helicopter back in 1994, or in France recently – nothing in solving the conspiracies will be accomplished, so we might as well forget about the victims because it will all be seriously forgotten.
@Snap
Lizzie Davies…“According to police sources quoted by AFP and a French television station….”
Another stenographer at work. Not even first hand “security sources”.
There is so much abnormal in this case,perhaps someone might light to list the normalties.
One witness lacking credibility who has given one and only one account. Lots of security and police sources. Another witness who may or may not exist. A speeding car fleeing an otherwise deserted road,allegedly (to draw attention to itself, of course). Hardly any photos, bodies and children moving around unobserved, no interest in Sweden, a bizarre funeral in France, and a lot of journalists (until the DA notice) with no questions whatsoever. Move along now please.
Psy-op. Extraction.
THF,
Saad’s other life in Dubai, I am struggling to find his companies there but James says they are easy to find.
Help
Felix please see James Dubai info re SAH on the other thread.
Round and round the garden….
This is the BBC’s latest attempt to add to the false trail.
French Alps murders: Victim had money worries over home
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19729566
@ kempe.
Someone murdered those people.
It is no different to all the avoidable deaths mostly from our foreign policies.
You know as Britain is the epicentre of this tyranny mostly the city and Lords.
The best way to change things would be a peaceful uprising over .hear.
Now thats funny if not futile.
Sad thing is I am right. We are mostly sex obsessed and dont care one bit outside of the world it has created.
@Straw
Thanks – just catching up. I have also posted there for you. Katie onto it in a flash.
This is not a normal family.
All the police activity was at no 26. Might it not have been useful (assuming the police want to solve this case,whatever the case is…) for them to search the accountant’s house ,seizing documents, to try to get to the bottom of SAH’s affairs??
Felix,
Google search these 2 and note the addresses:
915809170
907379577
Where does Iqbal live? Reading?
Swindon??
see this map
http://scotlandyard.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/al-hilli-caravan-travel-route.html
O/T
‘West behind Press TV reporter murder’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZETx8L2Eq1c&feature=relmfu
Nothing on the lamestream mainstream media about the death of this reporter in Syria apart from one from an Australian news network. The dead man was a Syrian national and was killed by sniper attack.
@Straw – too much speculation there.
Al-Hilli General Trading Co, Dubai? Website under construction, IP location San Antonio Texas. Perhaps not. Hey, I know a web designer in West Sussex who might be able to help….
BTW, (Telegraph, Sept 7)
He met his wife, Iqbal, in Dubai about 10 years ago and they started a “great love affair”, one neighbour said. Which neighbour? The helpful Mr Saltman??
Here is a post closer to home when it comes to murder, and let’s see what The Guardian does to my premoderated and moderated message:
Bo Xilai was a most unsuspected traitor until Oxford astrophysicist Professor Steve Rawlings started talking too candidly to Chinese colleagues about who businessman Neil Heywood really was, given his involvement in finding places for his son, and his association with Heywood’s relative, fellow astrophysicist Dr. Ian Heywood.
Thanks to the Rawlings info, the Ministry of State Security was soon onto Heywood, and the next thing was he was poisoned to death by Bo’s wife Gu and others.
Then Rawlings, who suspected that friend and don at St. Johns College Dr. Devinder Sivia had some involvement in the mysterious death of fellow don Dr. Gudrun Loftus, was allegedly accidentally killed after a dinner at its Great Hall when the discussion about the College got hot and heavy.
While the corrupt TVP and its coroner ruled the death an unfortunate accident, Chinese securocrats knew what really had happened, and then zeroed in on Gu and Bo.
They are still willing to use some kind of legal proceedings, though, while the British just resort to murder.
If the Chinese had not figured out what Heywood was arranging, China would be now in a most precarious position – one which could have led to its overthrow the next time the Pentagon hit it with a devastating disaster, like it did back in May 2008 with the Sichuan earthquake.
The Americans are convinced that disasters can pave to way to regime change in China, Iran, Pakistan and Syria.
Thanks Felix,
ok the penny has dropped now, postman says he was always doing up BMWs. Dubai
New Car Dealers
http://www.mycarpoint.com/autoservices/details?id=310
@Trowbridge.
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Forgive my ignorance, but just what was Heywood arranging?
For Bo Xilai to take over from Hu Jintao as President, and with a group of corrupt cronies as his underlings.
For details, consult Sir John Sawers at MI6.
And while you are at it, ask him what really happened to not only Loftus and Rawlings, but also Gareth Williams where it all started.
‘The older daughter also said there was only one “badman”.’
That doesn’t mean there WAS only one badman, it means she only SAW one badman.
Ok, radio 4 programme…. [Ref @A Visitor, 5.56 pm and on previous thread]
Simon Day interviews Paul Ducher, @2.14, a farmer at the bottom of the Combe D’Ire. He regurgitates the well known story. Funnily enough, Lizzy Davies [op cit] also catches up with M. Ducher. He tells her no such thing. Just a vacuous throw-away.
In the immediate aftermath, locals were shocked and, understandably, concerned for their own safety. “I thought it was a guy who wanted to let rip,” said Paul Ducher, a farmer mucking out his cowshed in Chevaline.
And Simon Day merely replays the one and only outpouring by witness Brett Martin. Why no new interview by BM???
To be continued…
When considering whether or not the reported DA notice actually exists, it’s important to note its exact wording:
1. No mention of his links to the Security Services
2. No mention of his links to Iran
3. No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
4. No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing
Note that the phrase “no mention” is used in items 1, 2 and 3, while the phrase “no speculation” is used in item 4.
This is a key difference.
Seeing as “no mention” is used in items 1, 2, and 3, and not with item 4, we can assume that mention of item 4 is allowed, but not speculation (otherwise they would have specifically prohibited it as they did with items 1, 2, and 3).
Now, if we look at what’s been reported in the media, we can see that there has, in fact, been absolutely no mention in the mainstream media of items 1, 2, and 3.
And, while there has been mention of item 4 (Israeli involvement) there has been no speculation about it:
– The Daily Mirror quotes Gary Aked as suspecting Mossad (quoted both directly and indirectly)
– The BBC Radio 4 programme mentions that people writing on the internet are fingering Mossad.
Both of these are direct and accurate reportage of what people are actually saying or writing, and cannot by any stretch of the imagination be construed as “speculation”.
There is no follow up discussion or debate about these claims in either article.
And as we know, it is only speculation about Israeli involvement which is prohibited by the DA notice, while mention of Israeli involvement is allowed.
So, either the reported DA notice is in fact real, or its writer has a strangely prophetic gift, as the DA notice has been carried out to the letter across all mainstream media.
@ Trowbridge The link to your website does not work??? Can you assist?
http://codshit.com;http//flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/tag/trowbridge-h-ford/
Oh, surprise, surprise, The Guardian did not post my post about traitor Bo Xilai.
Just says that another post will be premoderated.
Do you think I should risk one about Megan Stammers, flying home with her mother?
Mary.
http://flyingcuttlefish.wordpress.com/
http://www.codshit.com
Glad to, Mary.
The two links have been connected, so just remove the ; between them or delete one, so you just have the other.
Neither of them are mine, though. They are just run by senisible bloggers in the UK and the States who think that my work deserves an airing.
And I think, of course, that my articles about recent assassinations, especially in the UK, are in a class by themselves, but then I am just a big-headed old fart.
Dr Acula, as Private Eye call Dr David Owen, now ennobled, misses the point. He says Blair lacks self knowledge. Actually Bliar is a psychopath and a war criminal and the more he is talked about in the terms Owen uses, the greater the likelihood that Bliar will succeed in his own rehabilitation in the public’s mind.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2210164/Hubris-man-thinks-judged-God.html
Thanks Jackie and Trowbridge for the links. Much appreciated.
I had to break off just now as the doorbell went and the dog barked. A very crestfallen market researcher has just gone away as I refused to answer his poll for Ipsos Mori as to my political opinions, what I read, what my hobbies are, my income etc etc., What a nerve! He asked me why I would not participate. A ‘Because it is an invasion of my privacy and the information I give you might be added to that already held by HMG, Lockheed Martin who did the Census for HMG, and a complete picture could be obtained etc’ I think he thought I was a crazy old woman.
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/aboutus/seniorstaff.aspx Enough said. I cannot see who owns it.
Wikipedia Ipsos Mori
Ipsos is one of the largest survey research organisations in the world, with offices in more than 80 countries, founded in the mid 1970s in France by Didier Truchot and Jean Marc Lech.
In 1946, Mark Abrams formed a market Research company called RSL, which operated until 1991 when it was acquired by Ipsos, becoming Ipsos UK. MORI (Market & Opinion Research International) was founded in 1969 by Robert Worcester, and throughout its existence was the largest independent research organisation in the United Kingdom. MORI was bought by Ipsos in 2005 for £88 million, the combined company being now known as ‘Ipsos MORI’.[5] The same year, Robert Worcester stepped down from chairmanship of MORI.[6] Ben Page is now Chief Executive.[7]
In 2006, Ipsos MORI were the first research agency in the world to gain ISO 20252, the new international quality standard for research. Ipsos MORI is a current member of the Market Research Society and are obliged to conduct surveys according to their rules. *For example, Ipsos holds the data they collect in the strictest confidence and ensure it isn’t passed on to third parties.* (**Oh yeah? Me)
The French outfit IPSOS
http://www.ipsos.com/Board_of_Directors