The Feminist Defence of Blowing Out the Brains of Small Children

by craig on April 9, 2014 8:05 pm in Uncategorized

The number of people still prepared to defend the Iraq War in public is tiny.  The interesting thing is the very strong correlation between those people, and those prepared to pretend to give credence to the farcical sexual allegations about Julian Assange.  Zoe Williams Guardian piece about what a jolly good chap Blair is I find breathtaking.  War crimes like Blair’s result in terrible anguish for millions.  I am prepared for purposes of argument to believe that Williams’ anguish for female victims of crime is genuine; why she can’t extend that to the tens of thousands of women who were raped because of Blair’s Iraq War, or had the still worse agony of seeing their children killed and mutilated I don’t know.  Nick Cohen is just very, very sad.  I just hold up these two in the hope that those deceived by feminist political correctness into following their lead against Assange will see to what they are subscribing.

Rather a side issue, but even if we accept Zoe Williams view that dead Iraqi children don’t matter, she appears not to have noticed that Blair introduced tuition fees, academies, kick-started NHS privatization, allowed the banksters’ bonanza leading to worldwide economic crash and oversaw the greatest widening of the gap between rich and poor in British history.

 

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  1. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 7:31 pm

    Mr Goss re marriage to children :

    Could we therefore please hear you condemn this aspect of Iranian law as well?

  2. Someone wrote earlier that Sajid Javid MP was not a practising Muslim. That would be in order to gain political credibilty to gain high office, not a matter of personal conviction. Bear in mind the MI5 and mosque bug your house to see what you are really doing in the privacy of your own home. So you would have to be really not praying at home to satisfy them.

    The sacrifices you have to make for Islam!

  3. @Habbabkuk,

    Your self-inflating delusions are apparent to all, whetever you really believe in them or not, doesn’t really matter; the reason why you squat here is because there is no other Blog that would tolerate you making a mockery like you do, so keep thanking your lucky star that Craig tolerates you because he enjoy “Lefties” being baited, and for sure, you cetainly have nothing else to contribute here.

  4. doug scorgie

    10 Apr, 2014 - 8:01 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    10 Apr, 2014 – 12:51 pm

    “Women can be as ruthless as men, as to why, how and for what reasons is open to debate.”
    _______________
    “…You shouldn’t put any category or group on a pedestal, you know!”

    I quite agree Habbabkuk, including a race or tribe.

  5. “Marriage is not adoption. A child cannot understand it implications. If a rich person wanted to provide for an orphan all well and good. But that can be done at a distance. The child has no need to be in the company of the benefactor. There is no excuse for marriage to a child.”

    In Britain maybe, where the custom is for two soul mates to fall in love and spend the rest of their lives together. That isn’t what marriage means in Muslim countries.

    There is no necessity for the bride and groom to live together, the bride doesn’t even have to attend the wedding if she doesn’t want to.

  6. Tony F12 Hersh report on Erdogan’s involvement in Syria.

    Turkey is behaving like Mrs Thatcher in relation to the former Yugoslavia, as if it was an independent nation. Neither Turkey nor the UK are any no longer independent nations. They are wholly-owned/ controlled assets of ZioBanking. There is no such thing as Erdogan wanting to influence the war in Syria. There is only what Israel tells Turkey to do. Destroy Syria completely like Iraq.

    Erdogan’s attraction is is releasing his country from the cruel shackles of Attaturk, by which Islam has been tortured for nearly 100 years. His opponent, trained in the US like Mursi of Egypt, though not of the same sect of Islam, has the local Turkish Sufi camouflage in order to deceive the Turkish Muslims. The Turks will not be deceived by a US trained Islamic leader. If Fethullah is put in the Turkish military will kick him out again, same as Mursi.

    Hersh portrays Erdogan as a warmonger. He is not. His currency is very vulnerable to external forces and he needs regional allies to counter Israeli bullying, same as we do in the UK. He has done the bare minimum to comply with Israel’s intent to destroy all of its own immediate neighbours. Israel, not Turkey is the elephant in the room.

  7. conjunction 10 Apr, 2014 – 3:53 pm

    “A. Node:…. in general I am not sure that [Geldof's] legacy is a negative one, and in your earlier post which you link to, with respect, you do not produce much hard evidence.”

    I can’t supply the proof you want. The world I believe in doesn’t readily supply proof of its own existence :) I believe it can be reliably inferred, though:

    Why is it that no African country, even with vast natural resources at its disposal, has grown rich and powerful in its own right. Why is it that the more resources an African country has, the poorer its people? Why is it that, other than a couple of white controlled enclaves, Africa entirely missed out on the progress of the 20th century.

    Africa is comprehensively exploited by powerful Western interests. They are able to accrue vast power and riches by keeping Africans poor and powerless. If wages rose, their profits would fall. If Africans took control of their raw resources, their profits would fall. The optimum strategy is to keep all Africa poor and disorganised. If even one African country gained control of its own destiny, it would set an example which would eventually derail the gravy train.

    This has been the status quo for a couple of centuries. Why hasn’t it changed? People don’t endure subjugation without protest. Aren’t Africans are as clever and ambitious as any other people? A state of affairs like this has to be managed – revolutions crushed, honest leaders dealt with, conflicts created, corruption encouraged, puppet leaders installed and maintained. All this is enforced through the influence and ultimately the military might of Western governments.

    Those people at the top are ruthless, but we ordinary Western taxpayers are not. The majority of us would baulk at our money being used to create such suffering, so we cannot be allowed to know the true state of affairs. We are kept in the dark, and our governments are manipulated, by the same means – the control of information through the mainstream media. The MSM is owned by those same powerful ruthless people and it protects and promotes their interests in Africa and elsewhere by portraying an illusion and suppressing the truth. The illusion is that native African progress is constantly stymied by corruption and conflict, that Africans are inherently unable to look after their own affairs. The truth is that such a notion is nonsense. Day in and day out, we are fed stories and pictures which reinforce the illusion, whilst those which would break it are filtered out. And decade after decade, those conscienceless puppet-masters plunder a continent and perpetuate suffering, protected and promoted by their strictly controlled media.

    Then along comes a hero. He organises concerts which raise millions for famine relief. He makes us all feel we can do something to help. He becomes a champion of the starving millions. He button-holes Prime ministers and Presidents and shames them into promising increased aid. He even upstages a G8 meeting. The media love him. His face fills the front pages, news bulletins lead on his opinions, TV companies clear their schedules to broadcast his events, the loveable rogue is even allowed to swear on TV. From the Sun to the Telegraph, he is known as ‘Saint Bob’…….

    ….. But wait a minute …. haven’t we just seen that with respect to Africa, the media’s main job is to maintain the status quo? For generations it’s been used to maintain Africa’s deprivation, and now here it is publicising someone who wants to change that? The defender of the exploiters is now defending the exploited?

    And that’s basically it. That’s where it doesn’t stack up. Whatever tinkering with the system results from Geldof’s self-aggrandising tinkering, it isn’t intended to make any significant difference. Whether it’s designed to camouflage the lack of real assistance, or channel increased funds to puppet leaders, or whatever, it is being orchestrated by the mainstream media, and they only do their masters’ bidding, and after two centuries of handing out misery, I don’t believe the masters just got charitable.

    And Geldof? Well, he definitely isn’t as clever as he thinks he is, but neither could he possibly be so stupid or so ignorant that he could be unaware of his role in this stage-managed charade. He colludes with the powerful to hide the truth of the tragedy of Africa – that the one and only reason for the never-ending misery and hopelessness of that continent is that we, the West, work hard to keep it so.

    Geldof is a liar and a fraud.

  8. A Node

    He probably isn’t, and it is very unpleasant of you to attack him about anything at this particular moment of time. Likely only apparent liars and frauds get airspace in the media in this day and age. The fact that he has lost a 25 year old daughter is heartbreaking for him and I feel for him.

  9. Mods

    Any chance of removing this cross avatar. Easter is an especially annoying piece of pagan brainwashing without being given idolatrous logos as well.

    Thanks in anticipation.

  10. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 8:53 pm

    Heh; I thought it looked more like a maze, but like most interpretations, it’s about one’s perception. I can understand the objection, since the instrument of the prophet’s death seems more of an obscenity, than a totem.

  11. Guano:
    “He probably isn’t,”
    Hmm, not a lot to get my teeth into there.

    “it is very unpleasant of you to attack him about anything at this particular moment of time”
    I sympathise with him as a father, I despise him as a human being.

  12. Macky

    “@Habbabkuk,

    Your self-inflating delusions are apparent to all, whetever you really believe in them or not, doesn’t really matter; the reason why you squat here is because there is no other Blog that would tolerate you making a mockery like you do, so keep thanking your lucky star that Craig tolerates you because he enjoy “Lefties” being baited, and for sure, you cetainly have nothing else to contribute here.”

    I thought it was purely in defence of freedom of expression that Cuckubus was allowed to stay on here. Identified by the smell of rotting eggs he’s kicked to the ground. Why do the mums keep feeding him?

  13. Rather despise the empty wind-bag of the media for creating him.
    Yesterday I switched off a Turkish soap my wife was watching. A young mother who had lost her baby murdered her mother-in-law by switching off her oxygen. I don’t have a telly but the smell of swine-manure still keeps wafting in. Leave the poor man alone please. He is a well-intentioned human being. The media will not present cynicism at the level needed to understand what is really going on any more, after Blair’s castration of the media over false intelligence. Nor will the newspapers. Even the politicians have to scour the conspiracy sites to find out what is really going on.

  14. Trying to get a new one

  15. Trying again..

  16. Too nazi, trying again..

  17. Absolutely beautiful. Mods, please can i keep this one?

  18. Guano; “I thought it was purely in defence of freedom of expression that Cuckubus was allowed to stay on here”

    Sadly nothing as noble, but don’t worry as you are far from alone in being fooled on this score.

  19. “Rather despise the empty wind-bag of the media for creating him.”
    I’ll take the opportunity to correct myself. Instead of “despise”, let’s say I have contempt for him as a human being. And unfortunately, the media isn’t an empty windbag – it controls the Western world.

    “Leave the poor man alone please. He is a well-intentioned human being.”
    No, that’s my point. He isn’t well-intentioned. He is knowingly shafting Africa for his own selfish advancement. I take back my first correction. He is despicable again.

  20. Resident Dissident

    10 Apr, 2014 - 10:26 pm

    “Anybody with a conscience would disassociate themselves from such a character, a person who has probably murdered, and continues to murder, more children than Beria and Stalin put together, in Afgahnistan, Iraq and Libya.”

    “Stalin’s purges were against adults and those who he thought posed a threat.”

    You are a disgusting person – my wife’s family lost relatives both in the GULAG and in Western Russia due to the famine created by Stalin to deal with the Kulaks. As some one who purports to have a degree in International Relations and claims to have studied Russia I’m afraid ignorance cannot be offered as a defence.

    As for who killed more Stalin or Blair, I can well understand ESLO wanting to make you justify your feeble claim, since the answer is pretty well know to those with more than the basic level of education and who are not blatant sycophants for Stalin and his more modern admirers but please read the following and check all the links before coming back with an apology for your initial ridiculous claim

    http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

    What I find slightly worrying is how my Party ever let you join in the first place – but good riddance to bad rubbish is what I say.

  21. Resident Dissident

    10 Apr, 2014 - 10:41 pm

    3 million children dead in the Holodomor

    http://www.ukemonde.com/genocide/margolisholocaust.html

    Of the 20 million people convicted of crimes and sent to corrective labor in the 1930s, roughly 40 percent were children.

    http://hepg.org/her-home/issues/harvard-educational-review-volume-80-issue-2/herbooknote/children-of-the-gulag_354#.U0cPjWZwa70

    Apology required Mr Goss

  22. Resident Dissident

    10 Apr, 2014 - 11:00 pm

    “Any chance of removing this cross avatar. Easter is an especially annoying piece of pagan brainwashing without being given idolatrous logos as well.”

    Not per the Quran

    “And they said we have killed the Messiah Isa son of Maryam, the Messenger of God. They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, though it was made to appear like that to them; those that disagreed about him are full of doubt, with no knowledge to follow, only supposition: they certainly did not kill him. On the contrary, God raised him unto himself. God is almighty and wise.”

    —Quran surah 4 (An-Nisa النساء) ayah 157-158[22]

  23. John Goss and Resident Dissident; do you both want to argue with each other? I doubt that either of you are “disgusting” or immoral; you just believe different things. You can argue about which killer is “worse”, but I am sure that you are both deeply morally opposed to any non-defensive killing. From my outsider’s perspective, I see both fault and good intent in both of you, and I find your argument pointless and depressing.

    Would you like to increase the total of human happiness? You could start right now by cheering me up. To do this, just discuss general moral principles at the most fundamental levels and establish that you essentially agree about good and bad. From there, you can progress back down to the details of how those ideals might be achieved.

    If you can’t solve this trivial disagreement, how can you expect humanity ever to progress towards greater peace? Lead by good example deliberately, because your example has influence whether it’s good or bad. Give me some hope for humanity; at present you’re both doing the opposite.

  24. ESLO, Resident Dissident, or whatever your real name is. If what you say is true, and with a person who changes his socks as often as you do it is very hard to tell where fact can be differentiated from fiction, I am sorry to hear about your wife’s family. That does not detract from the fact that you have not answered the statement that Stalin killed more children than Blair. Your figures also appear to include deaths from famine (though I have not studied them in depth). Nobody who believes in justice would want to belong to a party who had Blair at its head. Or Stalin. They are both in the same book as Vlad Tepes and Genghis Khan in my opinion. Two-faced people never criticised Stalin or Hitler while they were alive. Fortunately we can criticise in the west today. When the real history books about Bush and Blair are written we will all be long dead ourselves so we will never know what the full toll was.

    There are millions of bereaved families already in Iraq alone and the historians have not got the figures yet for all the deaths, abortions and stillbirths from depleted uranium and white phosphorous weapons. Blair knew these weapons were being used. And what they were capable of doing. The human cost of Blair’s riches are incalculable. Your party as you call it has nothing to do with socialism. There are a few MPs who still believe in socialism, but that’s it. You are welcome to it.

    While your link is worthy of some study I cannot find where it gives the number of children killed by Stalin. Can you provide that link please. That would be very helpful. Thanks.

  25. I am not defending Stalin or the gulags. 40% (roughly) of 20 million may have been children. I cannot dispute that. I do not have any alternative figures. How many of these children died? Those that died of starvation must be discounted. There were millions died worldwide in the thirties. It was a global depression. There is another one coming because we are a world in debt living in a fictional world of false finance.

  26. Guano

    “Any chance of removing this cross avatar. Easter is an especially annoying piece of pagan brainwashing without being given idolatrous logos as well.”

    Eh!

    Surely the pagan Easter speaks more to us as humans than The Book.

    I see everyone out enjoying, rebirth, renewal and blossom. The cycle. The longer days. The planting. The dancing. The harvest to come.

    I do understand that if you don’t have seasons then it may well be all a mystery, and you could be a bit dour on it.

    Here’s Maddy, with the difference between Romans and Celts:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFWzPiGHd_Y

    Interestingly, the Celtic Church were perhaps a bit more ascetic and to your taste. The Roman Church quite debauched.

    Fell out, over the date of Easter apparently.

    Became heretics…

  27. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 12:01 am

    “How many of these children died? Those that died of starvation must be discounted. There were millions died worldwide in the thirties. It was a global depression. There is another one coming because we are a world in debt living in a fictional world of false finance.”
    __________________

    “Those that died of starvation must be discounted”???????

    You really are a thoroughly filthy fellow.

    I wonder if the people in the “Left Unity” party read your vaporings on this blog? Someone should be of service to that party and let them know about you.

  28. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 12:02 am

    Herbie

    Did you get a good rate of exchange for your purchases of Chinese currency?

  29. Habbakuk,

    You’re not-i sense-an instinctively bad chap/chapess..however..

    You do need to be more genteel amongst your bretheren,brother.

    Think about it.

    Lest you become silly,again.

  30. o Who takes Anna Ardin seriously? Did she conspire with her friend /lover ( ?) Sofia Wilen to set Assange balls a rolling – that is the question. Ardin is the Political Secretary of the Swedish Social Democrats. Ardin was connected to the “ladies in white” who protest the Castro regime and has ties to anti-Castro groups ( supported by the CIA) and she was deported from Cuba for reason of subversive activities. Lieutenant Colonel Mattias Ardin, Deputy Head of Operations, Swedish Joint Forces Land Component Command, cousin and close friend. He works with Nato Operations in Afghanistan. Is there any remote probability of a CIA link or operation? Would the CIA be smart enough to get a feminist leftist to smear Assange …duh…huh? Her blog is called “ 7 steps to legal revenge” and step one was to screw Assange. For goodness sake she brought the man to Sweden for a conference and a fuck. Then he bestows blessings on her friend Sophia as well and she too sets out to fuck him. Isn’t the whole affair a load of “poppycock” – sorry – double “poppycock” intended to smear Assange upon the flimsiest of so-called evidence? At least he has so far not been charged with impotence.
    • Top secret – I just figured it out – Assange has a weakness for women. So, my legal advice to him is that the next feminist Swedish woman he has sex with he proceeds as follows:-
    document, the following:-
    i) Names of the persons about to have sex.
    ii) Protected or unprotected sex has to be agreed.
    iii) The various positions in which the sex is permitted.
    iv) The duration of the sex – with a pre-ejaculation clause included.
    v) Whether the Kama Sutra can at any stage of the intercourse be consulted if the sex is not proving exciting enough.
    vi) Finally – what are the expressions of sexual satisfaction to be when the two climax – be it a simple ohhhhh – or an – ahhhh – or some other pre-approved expression of appreciation.
    Never forget to have the consenting Swedish woman sign with the words added “ I have signed this document of my own volition, without inducement, excitement, anticipation, or any other form of seductive invitation from the man with whom I am about to have sexual intercourse – and – I have signed because indeed I freely want to have sex with this man (insert the man’s name).” Then you can have sex and he can then insert his penis into the vagina ( but only for the duration that she has pre-signed to).
    I plan to write a play about the whole affair – and it will be called “ Captain cocksman in blonde land”.

  31. BrianFujisan

    11 Apr, 2014 - 3:38 am

    Coutney FFs you ok dude… That’s NOT Quite you

  32. Resident Dissident

    11 Apr, 2014 - 6:54 am

    “Those that died of starvation must be discounted.”

    I thought Mr Goss had reached the bottom of the barrel. Apparently not.

  33. Resident Dissident

    11 Apr, 2014 - 7:01 am

    While your link is worthy of some study I cannot find where it gives the number of children killed by Stalin.

    Strangely enough your friend didn’t keep such detailed head count figures of the age or method of killing of his victims. Any person with any sense of shame would just admit that they had no support whatsoever fro their preposterous claim.

  34. Craig Murray

    you are most brilliant.

  35. @John

    If RD uses sock puppets or not I wouldn’t like to say.

    I will say that him and ESLO using the same email address is circumstantial while the evidence given that they have never used the same IP address I would consider stronger evidence that they are not the same person. The moderator said there was no conclusive evidence.

    Either way attempts to discredit the poster are no substitute for having facts to support your statements. It’s if what someone says is true or not that matters.

  36. Ba'al Zevul (Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 8:47 am

    Herbie – “Ba’al Zevul

    You’re easily impressed.”

    Not at all. But when I’m wrong, I try to admit it. While the G8 failed to achieve its stated goals, (failed particularly and spectacularly in the case of CO2 emissions control), it can claim some modest success in pressing for Third World debt relief. In that case I was wrong to say its achievements had been zero – as I did, in haste.

    If cancelling debt and increasing aid have been a cash cow for some very wasteful and downright crooked NGO’s, and have leveraged access to poor countries’ resources for exploitative globalist companies, I have also to remember that geopolitics are of no interest to someone who is wondering where his next meal is coming from, or whether it will come at all. And his case has improved.

    Happy to debate this.

  37. Ba'al Zevul (Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 9:24 am

    Meanwhile, more downright spite from the masters of downright spite:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26982166

    Israel has imposed sanctions against the Palestinian Authority (PA) in retaliation for signing a number of international treaties… taxes collected on behalf of the PA will be frozen, with limited access to bank deposits in Israel.

  38. Ba'al Zevul (Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 9:51 am

    Bleak assessment from the Economist on the doomed Is-Pal talks -

    http://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21600710-john-kerrys-dogged-bid-two-state-solution-has-faltered-peace-process

    It anticipates* the tax sanctions (above), which may conceivably prove to be a shot in the foot for the Israel Project;

    If Mr Netanyahu carries out a threat to punish the Palestinians by cutting off the revenue from taxes and tariffs that passes through Israeli hands, the Palestinian Authority might well collapse, requiring the Israeli army to go back into West Bank cities and turning the Palestinians’ struggle into one for full incorporation into a Greater Israel, along with voting and other civil rights. Since the Palestinians in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza outnumber Jewish Israelis, it would mean the eventual end of Israel as a majority-Jewish state.

    *With more than the usual benefit of hindsight – the article is wrongly dated as tomorrow’s.

  39. Ba'al Zevul (Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 10:03 am

    Wow. US mediator Indyk (ex-AIPAC, so no problem there) is dangling the release of Pollard in front of Netanyahu. (NOTE: contrary to an Al-Arabiya report, this is certainly not a done deal: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/state-department-jonathan-pollard-105584.html

    More carrot for Israel, and still no sign of the required stick. Can Indyk deliver? Questionable. Will it even get that far? LOL. He’s safe enough, even if the US is happy to release its biggest traitor

  40. Heartbleed bug? No. Bleeding hearts and no irony. Yes.

    Israelis help injured green turtles!! So much for the Palestinians. In the much longer Sky version (on both channels note and repeated several times last night) the scientist credited work on Israeli military aircraft for the design of the fin. What crap.

    Turtle in Israel given replacement fin
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-26979295

  41. Fred, thank you for your comment. I agree “Either way attempts to discredit the poster are no substitute for having facts to support your statements.”

    I have had a look, though not studied, the link provided by Resident Dissident. Remember when I did my first degree the Kremlin archives had not been available so the extent of the purges was not available. Krushchev had hinted at this in his memoirs.

    The links I gave to the Tony Blair and George Bush killings in Iraq, and remember that does not include, Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan, Serbia and wherever else NATO has recently engaged, were direct deaths from an illegal war. The figures provided by RD were not the direct killings of Stalin, Beria and their henchmen.

    The reason death through starvation should be discounted is because it was, as I tried to explain, a global problem. Do we call children who died during the Great Depression in the United States victims of Roosevelt’s purges? If you cannot read all this article there is a table on page 40 which shows the decline in infant mortality during the period in the United States.

    https://www.princeton.edu/chw/events_archive/repository/02272006_haines/02-27-06.pdf

    I am not, and never have been, a Stalinist. Nearly all people who get to positions of supreme power are evil creatures who have climbed on the backs of others to get there. But the argument was made in Zoe Williams’ article that Tony Blair should no longer be called a ‘war-criminal’ because he did some good. If such an argument was true, and I do not believe it is, Stalin changed Russia (the USSR) from being a backward agrarian country into a superpower. In terms of technological advancement that is undoubtedly a true statement. It does not excuse his purges. Neither should Blair be excused his war-criminality.

  42. Anyone think ZW is just trying to attract attention by making obviously false arguments, agitate the digital biosphere and hope from the thousands one person may visit guardian website.

  43. Ba’al; “US mediator Indyk (ex-AIPAC, so no problem there) is dangling the release of Pollard in front of Netanyahu”

    Interesting take on this here;

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/04/10/why-free-jonathan-pollard-now/

  44. Herbie

    Became heretics…

    Tip for correct electrical testing results: zero out the resistance of your leads first.

    Tip for correct religious testing results: don’t take for granted the bits of preaching that say it’s a miracle that we as humans are not supposed to understand. Zero out ideas your mind is finding resistance in comprehending or the bits you are told you should not worry your little head about.

    Religion above all things is something you have to fully understand. God is in charge of everything and we are being tested in our lives on our primeval promise to worship him only.
    Otherwise we are just clutching at straws, slipping into heretical quicksand…

  45. Ba'al Zevul ((Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 11:16 am

    Thanks, Macky. Some interesting links on that page, too. Seems the US palaeoconservatives are alive to what’s going on.

  46. Mr Goss

    My advice would be that when in a hole to stop digging. You are just heaping lies and distortions on top of each other, and all the time revealing more and more of your true nature.

    You received your degree in 1983. There was plenty of documentation of the extent of the GULAG by that time e.g. Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago was published in 1973.

    As for the “famine” line you are taking – you are again taking the entirely discredited Stalinist line that it was all a natural phenomenom. No it wasn’t, it was nearly all man made and was caused by the mass confiscation of grain, including the seed grain for future crops, the murder and deportation of the kulaks, the forced collectivisation of agriculture. All of this was revealed at the time by Malcolm Muggeridge and Gareth Jones, but fellow travellers and useful idiots wilfully chose to ignore what they were saying for many years, and in the case of useless idiots such as yourself still continue to do so. Might I kindly, suggest that you kindly suggest commenting further on matters Ukrainian until you fill the rather large Holodomor sized hole in your education.

    You made the assertion that Blair killed more children than Stalin and Beria – the only piece of evidence you have produced to support that wild assertion has been estimated total death figures for Iraq, which do not identify the number of children killed. Rather than supporting your own assertion, you resulted to your usual trick of asking others who challenged your assertion to demonstrate the opposite (quite how a reputable University gave you two degrees if this is your normal modus operandii is quite beyond me). RD made a sound attempt to take up your challenge, and in the process wiped the floor with you, he/she also explained the futility of getting a fix on the proportion of children among those who died in the Gulag – but lets just say it was likely to be many millions given the proportion of children who were sent there (which surprised even me) – but still you press for a precise number. Might I suggest that it is up to you to do that given your original assertion – which you know need to support or apologise for.

  47. “But the argument was made in Zoe Williams’ article that Tony Blair should no longer be called a ‘war-criminal’ because he did some good.”

    Which of course is not the case if you actually bother to read it – what you are giving is your own inference/straw man.

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 11:45 am

    ESLO

    Brilliant post at 11h30; even the Master Evader won’t have a come-back for that one.

    Congratulations.

  49. ESLO, I’m sorry. I have never been an apologist for Stalin, whereas you are an apologist for Blair. Also you are so full of it all the senna pods in Arabia could not clear you out.

    I gave you a link.

    http://www.coia.org.uk/

    Your hero’s handiwork. Look at it! Shame on you!

    Also you are digressing off topic bec. I made a speculation using the word ‘probably’ that Blair (when the total number of directly-attributed deaths are known) will have killed more children than Stalin. You ignored my link once and said I had given no figures. Let’s see if

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 11:50 am

    Herbie

    How did you get on with your purchase of Chinese currency yesterday?

    I’m assuming you did buy some since you’d previously posted predicting doom for the USD and exciting prospects for the renminbi.

  51. Apologies I hit the wrong key and it posted before I’d finished.

    ESLO, I’m sorry. I have never been an apologist for Stalin, whereas you are an apologist for Blair. Also you are so full of it all the senna pods in Arabia could not clear you out.

    I gave you a link.

    http://www.coia.org.uk/

    Your hero’s handiwork. Look at it! Shame on you!

    Also you are digressing off topic because Blair is the subject and whether Zoe Williams is right that he should not be called a war-monger rather remembered for the good he has done. I simply made a speculation using the word ‘probably’ that Blair (when the total number of directly-attributed deaths are known) will have killed more children than Stalin. You ignored my link once and said I had given no figures. Let’s see if you do so again.

  52. There have been huge anti banker/austerity demonstrations/protests/riots going on in Spain since before the Arab Spring, pretty universally ignored by the media because it doesn’t suit the preferred narrative.
    I’m trying to decide if this is new footage or from last month. It’s got a tag saying 53 cities:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=762_1397160302
    I’ve found this piece in today’s Mail Online but nothing anywhere else:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-105333/Demonstrators-riot-Spain.html
    Anybody know?

  53. ESLO = supporter of Guantanamo.
    ESLO = opposer of gulags.

    I oppose all this wrongdoing. So kick me off the moral high-ground bullshitter.

  54. You were right Habba

    The Perpetual Evader

    I did not say you gave no figures – just that the ones you gave did not support your claim.

    That site (which appears to be for an unregistered and therefore illegal UK Charity) does not give the total number of children killed in Blair’s war or for those killed by Stalin and Beria – your original claim is still entirely unsubstantiated.

    BTW Senna pods are from Egypt not Arabia.

  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 11:55 am

    ESLO

    Have you noticed how conspicuous Mr Goss’s fellow-Excellences – usually so quick to rush uninvited to each other’s defence – are by their silence at the moment?

    Not a peep on this matter from Mary, Ba’al Zevul, Herbie, Macky and the other vocalists.

    The Tovarish stands isolated.

    I wonder whether it is the silence of agreement or the silence of embarrassment?

  56. ESLO = supporter of Guantanamo.
    ESLO = opposer of gulags.

    Wrong and wrong – stop digging

  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 12:00 pm

    From the Great Evader aka Mr Goss

    “ESLO = supporter of Guantanamo.”
    _________________

    When he’s not “doing a Goss” or evading, he’s lying.

    Links, Mr Goss? And don’t come out with your “implicitly” bullshit. And when you’re at it, please supply links for your repeated assertion that I support torture (again, no “implicitly” bullshit).

  58. ESLO, stay on topic. Tell me you agree or disagree with Zoe Williams support for Blair. I’m sure you do. I would be ashamed to own it. But then I have some shame.

  59. “ESLO = supporter of Guantanamo.
    ESLO = opposer of gulags.

    Wrong and wrong – stop digging”

    So you don’t oppose the gulags? It’s not what you’ve been suggesting.

  60. John Goss

    Yes Mr Goss – I do oppose gulags. Perhaps not surprisingly I am not paying attention to your current warblings.

    No I don’t disagree with Williams support for Blair on the specific items where she indicated support was warranted – that is not the same as saying I agree with everything he did since I don’t. Some of us don’t toe the Party line as slavishly as yourself.

  61. John Goss

    You still need to support your claim or apologise.

  62. A Node, thanks for that. Yes it never makes it onto our media because they do not want us to know. The same is true of Bosnia. On fire but the MSM press are absent. It is why we need the alternative press and writers like Binoy Kampmark.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2014/02/11/bosnias-violent-protests-he-who-sows-hunger-reaps-anger/

    Anyway it’s a nice day in Birmingham.

  63. Ba'al Zevul ((Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 12:26 pm

    Blair easing his friends into Ethiopia -

    http://www.waltainfo.com/index.php/explore/13001-pm-hailemariam-holds-talks-with-tony-blair-

    President educated in China, strong Chinese investment presence, tantalum (scarce strategic resource), gold. Enormous aid recipient.

    Ethiopia is a locus of international attention in the Horn of Africa due to both its consistently high rates of economic growth and for its continued problems with widespread hunger and poverty. The nation is also significant for being among the most dependent on foreign aid. Topping the worldwide list of countries receiving aid from the US, UK, and the World Bank, the nation has been receiving $3.5 billion on average from international donors in recent years, which represents 50 to 60 percent of its national budget.

    Development aid has become essential in funding the Ethiopian government’s so-called development strategy, outlined in the 2010 Growth and Transformation Plan. Through extensive infrastructure construction and large-scale agricultural production, the government of Ethiopia seeks to reach middle-income status by 2015. A key element of the development strategy is the relocation of 1.5 million people from areas targeted for industrial plantations under the government’s “villagization” program. With more than 80 percent of the Ethiopian population dependent on agriculture and pastoralism for subsistence, the disruptions caused by the villagization program are resulting in increased food insecurity, destruction of livelihoods, and the loss of cultural heritage.

    http://www.oaklandinstitute.org/development-aid-ethiopia
    https://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Economy_of_Ethiopia.html

    And Senegal-

    http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/africa/news-entry/AGI-agrees-new-partnership-in-Senegal/

    Fairly democratic government, gross inequality, major exports fish, peanuts, phosphate – this last is something we really don’t want the Chinese monopolising as it is a rapidly dwindling resource essential for fertiliser – major international aid recipient.

  64. “Some of us don’t toe the Party line as slavishly as yourself.”

    I toed the party line that slavishly I got out.

    I thought you were a Blair apologist. Won’t be able to address any of your other comments but you could try picking on somebody else for a change. Or am I your only target today?

  65. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 12:31 pm

    Here’s Ba’al Zevul, still maintaining an embarrassed silence re the Great Evader’s vapourings LOL

  66. Just joined the habbabreak club and I hear that Clark is calling for a tedium break. I’ll second that, after all we are living in a new Millenium and revisionists are at work in the here and now, dare I say Bliar.

  67. Sorry John that you are standing alone against two of them who in concert have made at least eleven attacks on you this morning but as you know I refrain from falling into Habbabkuk’s enticements to join in. If I was you, I would ignore them. They are adept at twisting other people’s comments to what they see as their advantage. They are so transparent. Agent Cameron/Heir to Blair could do with some of transparency at No 10.

  68. More Greenwald stooging for the corporate state.

  69. Back to Blair and his part in the blowing out of small children’s brains.

    This is the truth behind the toppling of Saddam’s statue. Do you remember the US flag being put on the top and the ‘crowd’ stamping on the statue after it was brought to the ground?

    All staged.

    The photographs tell the story…

    Is This Media manipulation on a grand scale?
    Updated: 04/15/03

    New pictures of ” crowd” in the square: Picture 1 Picture 2 Picture 3 Picture 4

    Yes, the occupation has begun.

    See Also: A tale of two photos
    04/10/03
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2842.htm

    Comments added April 09, 2014

  70. “There have been huge anti banker/austerity demonstrations/protests/riots going on in Spain since before the Arab Spring, pretty universally ignored by the media because it doesn’t suit the preferred narrative.
    I’m trying to decide if this is new footage or from last month. It’s got a tag saying 53 cities:
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=762_1397160302
    I’ve found this piece in today’s Mail Online but nothing anywhere else:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-105333/Demonstrators-riot-Spain.html
    Anybody know? ”

    The Liveleak footage come from last month’s riots which were well covered by the “MSM”.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26703528

    The Daily Mail piece dates from 2002. Clues are in the reference to the European Council meeting in Barcelona and the shooting of Carlo Giuiliani which happened in 2001.

    From people who claim to do their own research that was a pretty poor showing.

  71. Ba'al Zevul ((Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 1:25 pm

  72. John Goss, they often remind me of hyenas. They attack in a mob, lunging and snapping from all sides, wearing their prey down.
    Take a break, ignore them, discuss something else.

    For example ….

    Don’t look here, look there.

    An often overlooked aspect of the media is their power to ignore a story. They lie, distort, and invent to spin their illusions, but just as effective is their ability to prevent a story becoming news.

    Don’t report it, don’t mention it, fill the void with trivia. It doesn’t matter if a million people witness an event – if there’s nothing on the news the next day, no way of finding out what happened next, no spreading the knowledge of the event, then it fades and dies.

    Supposedly, a Tunisian street vendor sets himself on fire and the world’s media embark on a non-stop full spectrum news frenzy of popular uprisings – public squares filled with demonstrators and bleeding civilians pressure for change which doesn’t stop till several Arab leaders have been replaced. Yet in Europe, since before the start of the Arab Spring and continuing after it, millions have marched, demonstrated, and rioted in Spain, in every city, occupying squares for months on end, true popular uprisings supported by all strata of society, yet most have never heard about it.

  73. Kempe 11 Apr, 2014 – 1:02 pm

    “From people who claim to do their own research that was a pretty poor showing.”

    Agreed. Thank you for the info.

  74. “A Node, thanks for that. Yes it never makes it onto our media because they do not want us to know. The same is true of Bosnia. On fire but the MSM press are absent. It is why we need the alternative press and writers like Binoy Kampmark.”

    It is of course not true that the MSM are absent

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26086857

    It is worth noting that NewsPostJunk – uses the same photos as the BBC, but unlike the BBC doesn’t attribute them to Reuters and AFP, who last time I checked were part of the MSM. One must question the editorial values of a newssite that uses/steals MSM photos and whose editor then criticises the MSM for not being present.

    While I sympathise with the protestors in Bosnia, I would be vary wary of the spin being put on matters by the writer, who seems to be keen to present the view that there is no discontent in the much more authoritarian Serbian part of Bosnia and who in a linked previous article came up with this whopper:

    “Chetnik leader Draža Mihailovic, who was betrayed by British ploys of misguided hope and accused of treason by Josip Broz Tito when Yugoslavia came into existence during the Second World War.”

    Yes – we betrayed the Chetniks and favoured Tito’s partisans – although the writer conveniently forgets that one reason for this was their collaboration with the Nazis even after we had supplied them with some weapons – read Fitzroy Macleans book for full details. What next rehabilitiation for the Utasha?

  75. ” Ignore the question, “is it happening?” ”

    The suggestion was that there is a widespread conspiracy amongst the MSM to hush up ongoing riots in Spain. Evidence provided included an article over ten years old!

    Rubbish as usual.

  76. …. and thank you too, Ba’al Zevul

  77. Before I go and do some work, let me clarify.

    The MSM don’t completely ignore big stories, they have to retain some credibility. It’s how, and how often the stories are reported that determines whether they become a story or a non-story.

    Make a celebrity murder trial top of every bulletin for a month and it’s a story.
    Do an occasional piece about Spanish hooligans just before the sports news, and it’s a non-story.

    I’m outa here

  78. Sofia Kibo Noh

    11 Apr, 2014 - 1:44 pm

    John, RD, Anyone…your thoughts?
    “American history records another crime against its own people – the Great American Holodomor, also in 1932-33, when the USA lost millions of citizens.

    You will not find any critical resolutions on that, just like you won’t find anything on the genocide of the indigenous people. American politicians don’t give passionate speeches on the subject, no “memorials” are built to mark the anniversary of mass annihilation. The memory of this is hidden in fake statistical reports, in archives, cleared of all evidence of the crime, attributed to the “invisible hand of the market”, glossed over by songs of praise to the genius of President Roosevelt, and the joy of community work, organised by him – not that different in essence from the Gulags or the construction of the Baltic Sea Canal.

    If you believe American statistics, in the 10 years from 1931 to 1940, 8,553,000 people were lost.

    An attempt to get access to demographic statistics is followed by many surprises right away: statistics from 1932 were destroyed – or hidden very well. They just don’t exist. No explanation is given.”

    From, http://www.sott.net/article/267900-Where-did-Americas-missing-millions-go-Holodomor-lessons-from-the-Great-Depression

  79. Ba'al Zevul ((Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 1:51 pm

    Not at all A. Node. Relevant to your argument may be this:

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/04/morocco-unions-protest-austerity-plans-201446131645914944.html

    I’m guessing more Google hits and greater variety of outlets than any European/Canadian protest. Being in the Maghreb, it’s brown people and therefore nothing to do with us. And maybe another wonderful Arab Spring in the making?

    The only Western-read MSM to have stories on the Spanish protests in the first two pages returned from a Google search for ‘austerity protest spain’(This Week), are al-Jazeera and the Huffington Post. Maybe a conspiracy, maybe not. Pretty slack reporting by Murdoch, though, innit?

  80. Hint: These alternative news sites usually give the game away by the photos that they steal – just copy the photo and do an image search in Google and bingo you usually find that there exclusive content was already reported by MSM – they just make the assumption that everyone is as daft as they are.

  81. “not that different in essence from the Gulags or the construction of the Baltic Sea Canal.”

    Which planet do you live on? Please don’t advertise your ignorance.

  82. Ba'al Zevul ((Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 2:17 pm

    Hint: These alternative news sites usually give the game away by the photos that they steal – just copy the photo and do an image search in Google and bingo you usually find that there exclusive content was already reported by MSM – they just make the assumption that everyone is as daft as they are.

    No. Actually you’ll find most of them come from agencies – AP, AFP, Reuters etc. Who are simply interested in newsgathering. Correlation does not imply causation.

  83. On the MSM (corporate media) it’s all Mr Nel and Mr PissedAureus. Also the royals’ trivia from ‘down under’. We even had a bit from the BBC crawler Witchell that P George, on arrival in NZ, was wearing ‘a cream cardigan with matching shoes’. Another YCNMIU. P George’s mama resembled one of Mr Branson’s cabin crew.

    It’s actually a PR offensive to keep the people in the relics of the ‘Empire’ clapping and cheering some nonentities.

  84. Ba'al Zevul ((Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 2:19 pm

    I repeat:
    “The only Western-read MSM to have stories on the Spanish protests in the first two pages returned from a Google search for ‘austerity protest spain’(This Week), are al-Jazeera and the Huffington Post. Maybe a conspiracy, maybe not. Pretty slack reporting by Murdoch, though, innit?”

    This may imply that ‘alternative’, or more accurately non-state-approved, media are in fact more widely read than the Times. Which need not surprise us.

  85. Sofia Kibo Noh

    11 Apr, 2014 - 2:25 pm

    ELSO

    Thanks. I wondered which of the conformity enforcers’ cages would be the first to be rattled by the mere mention of the Great American Holodomor .

    Here’s something else I’m wondering about.

    Now that our leaders have pissed off the Russians so well that they are thinking of turning off the gas it’s just as well we can be reassured with the promise of Uncle Sam’s gas instead.

    Too bad this American dream has about as much substance as the other one.

    http://real-economics.blogspot.ie/2014/04/exporting-natgas.html

  86. Sofia

    I am still waiting for your explanation as to why the community work organised by Roosevelt was in essence not that different from the Gulags and the construction of the White Sea Canal.

    I shall but down your belittling of the Ukrainian Holodomor to childish ignorance for the present.

  87. Sofia Kibo Noh

    11 Apr, 2014 - 2:33 pm

    Oops! I posted another of those dreaded “alternative” news sites.

    Those who feel afraid for me when I cast their eyes on such heresies can rest assured that I have visited both them and MSM for years and can still make up my mind.

    ELSO, you should try a few, before they get banned for being off-massage.

  88. Ba'al Zevul ((Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 2:35 pm

    http://euronews.com/2014/04/10/yield-hungry-investors-clamour-for-greek-bonds/

    Why are they clamouring? Because they promise high yields.
    Why high yields? Because they are crap bonds with which Greece is postponing judgement day.
    What will pay for the yields? More austerity for the next five years.
    So it goes.

  89. Sofia Kibo Noh

    11 Apr, 2014 - 2:38 pm

    ELSO.

    Re Gulags.

    I’ve got stuff to do right now, but in the meantime try doing a bit of homework.

    First do a search on US prison system. Let’s gather some data and I promise I’ll get back to deal with you.

  90. I dip in and out of this blog to read Craig’s thoughts and those of the more rational commentators. The best thing that Craig or the Mod could do to improve debate and the standard of this blog would be to remove Mary with her ranting and divergence, followed in swift succession by Habbabkuk.

    Both are absolutely infuriating. Ignoring their posts becomes such a chore when Mary’s posts often consist nothing but of slurs, often snidely referring to Jewish ancestry as if it was a crime, and O/T posts aimed at demonstrating the latent evilness of the Tories. That would be bad enough if Mary’s posts were not followed and replied to by Habbabkuk with his inane and pedantic questioning of Mary and everyone else who he has taken umbridge with.

    Honestly you both are as bad as each other for derailing this blog. Get a grip!

    At the very least could others express that they find them both tedious? I can’t be the only one?

    Cheers, Mick

  91. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    11 Apr, 2014 - 3:02 pm

    Yet, ANOTHER incarnation….seemingly objective…..

    Tactics; they are Legion.

  92. Oh of course challenge Mary and I must be Habbabkuk in disguise. I can assure that I am not and that my criticism of him is as genuine as that of Mary.

  93. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 3:14 pm

    Mick

    “The best thing that Craig or the Mod could do to improve debate and the standard of this blog would be to remove Mary with her ranting and divergence, followed in swift succession by Habbabkuk.”
    _________________

    Or, alternatively, remove Mary (and perhaps John Goss, the Impudent Squatter) and then hold on for a while to see how Habbabkuk reacts/behaves?

  94. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    11 Apr, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    Sofia; Thanks for that on the Great Depression. The scaled-back pop growth indicates more than self-imposed birth control. The people from this period were used to seeing high child mortality rates, so their answer was to have many, just in case.

    I had not heard this before now. Only Native American Holodomor seems worse, as it was deliberate starvation rather than convenient starvation.

  95. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 3:16 pm

    Mick

    Perhaps deal first with the action before moving on to the reaction?

  96. Ben-Joeph N. Welch

    11 Apr, 2014 - 3:17 pm

    ” At long last, have you no sense of decency?”

  97. Habbabkuk, I think your pedantic questioning and targeting would simply alight upon someone else if Mary was removed. Besides have you been in receipt of repeated warnings from the previous mod, Jon?

  98. Ben-Joseph N. Welch

    11 Apr, 2014 - 3:18 pm

    “Did I do good, Coach?”

  99. Ba'al Zevul ((Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 3:25 pm

    Great link, Sofia. Meticulous and detailed criticism of the fracking hype, with sources. Pity it’s not in the Daily Mail, but they don’t do that sort of thing…so let’s forget about real world economics and comfort ourselves with the Mail.

    Basic economics primer on the same site: the creation of money by the power of thought alone is regarded as a given by every finance house on earth, but usually ignored by anything likely to be read by the lumpen proletariat -

    http://real-economics.blogspot.ie/2014/03/money-creationthe-mind-is-repelled.html

  100. …and a slow round of applause for Ben.

  101. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 3:31 pm

    Mick

    “the community work organised by Roosevelt was in essence not that different from the Gulags and the construction of the White Sea Canal.”

    It is almost impossible not to react when you read egregious nonsense like the above. Or do you think that people who post that kind of tosh should remain unchallenged?

    Idem those who see a conspiracy – the hand of the evil West – behind every earthquake, natural disaster, crashed airliner, suicide of a banker, non-”political” story featured in the MSM, MP’s curriculum vitae, attempt to reform any sacred cow institution, bicycle race in leafy Surrey, etc etc…the list is endless.

    That’s if they really believe in what they write. It may of course be that those posters merely post that sort of guff in order to wind others up. But in that case they would be guilty of trollery, would they not?

    Anyway, if it’s all too much, why not just use Habbabreak and Marybreak?

  102. Ba'al Zevul ((Customer-Focused and Market-Driven)

    11 Apr, 2014 - 3:36 pm

    Mick : I think Habbabreak ™ (or the lack of it) is probably responsible for the enigmatic interjections I’m seeing above.

    Habbabreak ™ – the season ticket for your train of thought. Get it here – https://greasyfork.org/scripts/246

    There is as yet no VanishMary, though. I think it might sell.

    On some fora the user screen has an ignore button which blocks your choice of irritating people. I am all for this, as conversations once again look like conversations.

  103. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    Mick

    “Habbabkuk, I think your pedantic questioning and targeting would simply alight upon someone else if Mary was removed.”
    _________________

    Why do you consider the questioning pedantic?

    Re “targeting” and the “someone else” : those who deserve it, get it. Fewer references to Jewish grandparents, fewer corrections from Habbabkuk. Fewer attempts to defend the old Soviet régime or Russian bullying of Ukraine, fewer corrections from Habbabkuk. Just examples, of course.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Besides have you been in receipt of repeated warnings from the previous mod, Jon?”
    _______________

    Possibly appeals to cool it, but unfortunately not matched by appeals to others, and therefore demonstrating partiality to those who cleave to the establishment line on here. Removed from the blog on a (trumped-up charge) which John himself more or less admitted was just an excuse to get rid of me but speedily reinstated. But I think you’re well aware of all that, even though your handle is a new one to me….:)

  104. Removed from the blog on a (trumped-up charge)

    Which bore some similarities to the rather more specific charge by A Node and John Goss against Lord Robertson it should be noted.

  105. “First do a search on US prison system.”

    I did a search with “20 million deaths” and came up with nothing of substance. In fact only 4 idiots making the same otiose comparisons as yourself.

    “Gulag” and “20 million deaths” came up with 2.83m entries. In future I shall think of you as Little Miss 0.0001%

  106. ESLO

    I made no charge against Robertson. Read it again.

  107. Interesting that ‘Mick’ arrives out of the blue. Some feeding of the trolls.

    I have posted today:

    Once on Israelis caring for injured turtles but not for Palestinians
    Another to give support to John against the trolling
    Then to highlight the fraud behind the taking down of Saddam’s statue
    Lastly a jokey comment on the UK media’s output and the coverage of the royals.

    Work it out.

    and btw Ba’al you are pretty fond of the sound of your own voice. Second time you have joined in having a dig at me after someone else has had a go. Away with the pair of you. It is not a competition here for goodness’ sake.

  108. A Node

    Absolutely right – replace “charge” with “insinuation”

    many apologies

  109. “Back to Blair and his part in the blowing out of small children’s brains.

    This is the truth behind the toppling of Saddam’s statue. Do you remember the US flag being put on the top and the ‘crowd’ stamping on the statue after it was brought to the ground?

    All staged.

    The photographs tell the story… ”

    Yes that has been public knowledge for some time, the American government have owned up to it.

    Myself it doesn’t surprise me much, that’s what America does. What concerns me more is that the entire world media went along with it.

    I’ not too sure just what part Blair played in it.

  110. Ben-Joseph N. Welch

    11 Apr, 2014 - 4:28 pm

    “Myself it doesn’t surprise me much, that’s what America does. What concerns me more is that the entire world media went along with it.”

    You seem to think there is a difference between governance and the media, Fred.

  111. “The only Western-read MSM to have stories on the Spanish protests in the first two pages returned from a Google search for ‘austerity protest spain’(This Week), are al-Jazeera and the Huffington Post. Maybe a conspiracy, maybe not. Pretty slack reporting by Murdoch, though, innit? ”

    Well the most recent demonstration was a protest against the (alleged) police brutality at the previous one!

    http://www.expatica.com/es/news/spanish-news/protesters-march-against-police-violence-in-madrid_289900.html

    I suppose the idea that it really isn’t of much interest to a UK audience wouldn’t sway the Troofers from their conviction that it’s all being suppressed as part of some complex conspiracy. I mean would we expect every EDF march to get reported in the Spanish MSM?

  112. “You seem to think there is a difference between governance and the media, Fred.”

    There is.

    They are both players in the game, sometimes allies sometimes enemies, both seeking more power for themselves.

  113. Mick 11 Apr, 2014 – 2:48 pm

    “At the very least could others express that they find them both tedious? I can’t be the only one?”
    One reason I come to this blog is to learn. A lot of my concerns are similar to Mary’s. If one of those concerns comes up in the news, there’s a good chance that Mary will research it and post a lot of background. This is valuable because I trust Mary. I believe I know where she’s coming from and that’s she’s not trying to deceive me. Matter of fact I’m not aware of even one of her many detractors ever suggesting that she’s not genuine in her beliefs.
    There are a few on this blog I find tedious – I just scroll past them. I don’t see why you can’t do the same, Mick.

    The main reason I find this blog valuable is because the conformity enforcers (thanks for the label, Sophia) sometimes discuss issues. I want my beliefs to be intelligently challenged, I want new information to be sceptically scrutinised before I accept it. If the COs knew how much they have helped me, they’d be furious …. damn, let the cat out of the bag. You’ll never hear me asking for them to be banned. Unfortunately, there are one or two subjects where the COs seem to think that it is their duty to derail debate, and any means, no matter how underhand, is justified. It angers me, and sometimes I fall into the trap of responding, when the COs use deception. I will try harder not to.

    And then there’s Habbabkuk. I used to think he was a variety of CO, but I’ve realised that it’s much simpler than that. He craves attention. That’s all.

  114. ESLO

    “many apologies”

    accepted

  115. Ben-Joseph N. Welch

    11 Apr, 2014 - 4:48 pm

    “One reason I come to this blog is to learn. A lot of my concerns are similar to Mary’s. If one of those concerns comes up in the news, there’s a good chance that Mary will research it and post a lot of background. This is valuable because I trust Mary. I believe I know where she’s coming from and that’s she’s not trying to deceive me. Matter of fact I’m not aware of even one of her many detractors ever suggesting that she’s not genuine in her beliefs.”

    My thoughts exactly, A Node. Well said.

  116. Ben-Joseph N. Welch

    11 Apr, 2014 - 5:04 pm

    Mod; Please approve moderated comment. The software is a mystery of keywords.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/03/disappearing-aircraft/comment-page-9/#comment-452239

  117. A Node

    CO ‘s? Should that not be CE ‘s, unless you meant CEO ‘s,

    Community Enforcers Overpaid?

  118. Ba’al Zevul

    “If cancelling debt and increasing aid have been a cash cow for some very wasteful and downright crooked NGO’s, and have leveraged access to poor countries’ resources for exploitative globalist companies, I have also to remember that geopolitics are of no interest to someone who is wondering where his next meal is coming from, or whether it will come at all. And his case has improved.”

    Yes, that’s the way the charity game works.

    It’s quite cruel that in treating the symptoms, we ensure the worsening of the disease.

  119. Guano
    ……….
    ……
    …………..
    …..desperately tries to invent a phrase for CO rather than admit to making mistake …. er ….. ummm ………..

    ………………..

    you’re right, I made a mistake

  120. Habbabkuk; “Not a peep on this matter from Mary, Ba’al Zevul, Herbie, Macky and the other vocalists”

    John doesn’t need troll-pack like support to defend from the likes of you & your equally inept fellow members of the yelping hyena pack.

    Mick; “At the very least could others express that they find them both tedious? I can’t be the only one?”

    I second (well third after Ben) A Node response to you;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/04/the-feminist-defence-of-blowing-out-the-brains-of-small-children/comment-page-2/#comment-452231

    A Node; “He craves attention”

    He certainly does, only problem being his self-rated “intellectual firepower”, clearly just doesn’t match his delusionally inflated belief of it.

  121. @John Goss
    “Conjunction appears on the blog. This is the day after I get some release from Habbabkuk using Habbabreak.”

    I have good news for you John. There is a new version of Habbabreak which allows you to hide any user you choose to! Yes that’s right. Nomatter how the name changes you can still hide them. Just add their name to the options list.

    It might update for you automatically. If not download it now.

  122. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 7:13 pm

    Macky

    Three of you after almost a whole day. Good going, keep it up!

  123. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 7:16 pm

    Ah, the mysterious Good Samaritan (aka Afrend) pops up again. Almost certainly one of the Eminences, afraid to use his usual handle in case someone goes cluck!..cluck!..cluck!.. :)

  124. New improved version 2 of Habbabreak Available Now

    Is it more than Habbabkuk getting up your nose? Want to hide comments by someone else? Then you are in luck. The all new, all singing and dancing version of Habbabreak allows you to do just that. You can now choose to hide comments by any person you like. Quickly and easily add a name to an options list and poof they are gone! You’re welcome.

    Still 100% safe and 100% effective. Completely free.

    Download it now!

    As recommended by John Goss, Nevermind and Ba’al Zevul. Thanks guys! Love ya.

    As used by others who remain silent (don’t be fooled by the install counter on the web site hosting the script – it doesn’t work).

  125. Afrend, great news. Will take a look tomorrow. Just one question. If I wanted to reinstate somebody, say to check on something, is it possible. Catch up soon.

    Love ya too.

  126. “Afrend, great news. Will take a look tomorrow. Just one question. If I wanted to reinstate somebody, say to check on something, is it possible. Catch up soon.”

    Can’t live with ‘em…can’t live without ‘em.

  127. @John Goss
    “If I wanted to reinstate somebody, say to check on something, is it possible.”

    Yes you can. Adding and removing anyone from the ‘People To Hide’ options list is easy as pie.

    Click the “Habbabreak Options” item that appears on the blog’s menu (across the top after “Invite Craig To Speak”). Then you can add and remove people to hide. Instructions included.

  128. @John Goss

    It is also very easy to temporarily disable the entire Habbabreak script if you do want to see everyone without resetting your “People To Hide’ options lists.

    On the Firefox menu go- Tools > Greasemonkey > Habbabreak

    You can untick (disable) either the Habbabreak script or Greasemonkey. Then you will see everyone. Retick it (enable) and everyone on your options list disappears! It’s all good with Habbabreak.

  129. @DoNNyDarKo

    I do hope you are using Habbabreak Donny. After all, it was your idea. I thank you. You are welcome!

  130. Afrend

    Many thanks! All I have to do now is install Firefox. Happening as I speak.

  131. Foolish dissenter

    11 Apr, 2014 - 8:35 pm

    1) You think the king / the leader is a shit but should you say it – what has it really got to do with you. If you accept the external norms, if you pay your taxes and say polite things and don’t express this is this so wrong? If you say the king / the leader is a shit so what? What has happened? If he really is a shit perhaps there is some immediate consequence e.g. if you live inThailand. What if 10,000 say the same? Big deal. So what? Does it make a change, or do you just get to feel good and that you are the moral side. Do people think Kiev happened because so many people thought they had a bad president or for other reasons? Our PR may say it was a popular protest and that is what happens when everyone speaks out. Really? Or was someone pulling the strings. From what I have read on this web site many posters seem to think there was a lot of manipulation going on (and throughout the arab spring). So what is the alternate, passive acceptance? No. I am not against speaking out, against protest, judicial process, but does it get us anywhere.

    2)You think the king / the leader is a shit you remember the thought, the feeling. You say nothing. Something somewhere will begin to change. You think I am a shit. Something will begin to change.

    Maybe not? Maybe.

  132. Habbabkuk; “Three of you after almost a whole day. Good going, keep it up!”

    Don’t sound so worried, as it’s not often I get enough free time; then again, perhaps I should make some extra time since it worries you so much.

  133. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 9:21 pm

    Macky

    “Habbabkuk; “Three of you after almost a whole day. Good going, keep it up!”

    Don’t sound so worried, as it’s not often I get enough free time; then again, perhaps I should make some extra time since it worries you so much.”
    ___________________

    Oh, you chump! Three people announcing their intention to use Habbabreak (Nevermind, Ben and you), not three posts from you. Don’t flatter yourself! :)

  134. Habbabkuk; “Three people announcing their intention to use Habbabreak (Nevermind, Ben and you)”

    Your weasel wriggling is causing to state lies, so who’s really a chump ?

    “Don’t flatter yourself!”

    If only you would follow your own advice, there would be need of a Habbabreak.

  135. I don’t normally bother to correct obvious typos, but when dealing which somebody desperate & disingenuous to state lies;

    “there would be NO need of a Habbabreak”

  136. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 10:17 pm

    Macky

    Half an hour for you to spot your typo and correct it?

    Just admit it, chump – you sneaked back to the thread and to your comment just to see whether or not I’d reacted to your post!

    You just can’t live without me, can you. LOL

  137. I have just seen the most appalling and blatant one-sided propaganda for Israel on the BBC 10pm News, a prime outlet for it. Nick Robinson is embedded with Miliband and his wife who are visiting Israel. They were shown at Yad Vashem and we were given again all the details of the holocaust including the fact that Miliband’s grandfather died in one of the camps. The couple were shown laying an enormous laurel wreath.

    The scene moved to Sderot which, we were told by Robinson, is the place where ‘rockets from Gaza rain down’ endangering even the children. Mrs Miliband said how awful it was especially as they have a four year old of their own.

    I think they moved on to somewhere else but, by this time, I had lost the thread.

    I heard Robinson quote Miliband, at the conclusion of the segment, as he greeted his relations, ‘This is who I am. This is what makes me tick’.

    So now we know for sure that if Miliband wins the next election, absolutely nothing will change vis-à-vis British governmental support for Zionist Israel.

  138. Habbabreak really improves the threads. My compliments to the author. Only problem is, it gives his interlocutors the look of daft people talking to themselves.

  139. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 Apr, 2014 - 11:45 pm

    Mary (22h40)

    “I have just seen the most appalling and blatant one-sided propaganda for Israel on the BBC 10pm News” ..etc…

    ________________________

    How do you work that out against the background of what follows in your post?

    You describe a report on a prominent UK politician who’s visiting Israel and who visits Vad Yashem to lay a wreath. Understandable enough considering he’s Jewish and that one of his grandparents apparently died durng the holocaust. Given people’s general ignorance of history – even relatively recent history, understandabe also that the BBC should give some background on the holocaust.

    Miliband then visits Sderot, on which, we are apparently told, rockets rain down. Well, I suppose rockets don’t get fired at Sderot every day from Gaza, and one could question the verb “rain down”, but it is true that Sderot has been under fire – albeit intermittently – for a long time. Probably for as long as, and no less intermittently, than the Israelis have bombed Gaza.

    Then, after some more stuff which Mary can’t tell us about because “she lost the thread” (very convenient, that!), Miliband – a Jew and a politician with Prime Ministerial ambitions in an election which is due in a year’s time – is reported as expressing pride in his roots and paying tribute to them.

    Weighty stuff indeed, but not weighty enough, in my opinion, to justify either the charge of “appalling one-sided BBC propaganda” or Mary’s conclusion that “absolutely nothing will change vis à vis (sic)British governmental support for Zionist Israel”.

    Typical Mary tosh vis à vis (sic) her favorite hobby horse.

    ******************

    Support the shekel!

  140. Fucking Sickening Mary…The Absolute Lies LIES LIES LIES…of the criminals at bbc

    The scene moved to Sderot which, we were told by Robinson, is the place where ‘rockets from Gaza rain down’ endangering even the children. Mrs Miliband said how awful it was especially as they have a four year old of their own.

  141. Sofia Kibo Noh

    12 Apr, 2014 - 12:19 am

    ELSO. .

    Re Gulag

    “Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.”
    Leo Tolstoy

    Here’s one US’s way of doing Gulag-like stuff, “in it’s own way”.

    http://voices.yahoo.com/us-prison-population-largest-earth-2814625.html

    Here’s another,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

    And another,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_site

    etc…

    You know this list could get quite long and that it refers to how the US behaves right now, not 80 years ago.

  142. Milliband is getting his application in early for the job of British PM.

  143. @Potlurk
    “Habbabreak really improves the threads. My compliments to the author.”

    Why thank you Potlurk, that’s very kind of you to say.

    Just to let you know that an even newer Habbabreak Version 3 packed with one new feature is just this moment ready for download!

  144. From Wiki:-

    “Sderot lies one kilometer (0.62 miles) from the Gaza Strip and town of Beit Hanoun. Since the beginning of the Second Intifada in October 2000, the city has been under constant rocket fire from Qassam rockets launched by Hamas and Islamic Jihad.[38] Despite the imperfect aim of these homemade projectiles, they have caused deaths and injuries, as well as significant damage to homes and property, psychological distress and emigration from the city. The Israeli government has installed a “Red Color” (צבע אדום) alarm system to warn citizens of impending rocket attacks, although its effectiveness has been questioned. Citizens only have 7–15 seconds to reach shelter after the sounding of the alarm. Thousands of Qassam rockets have been launched since Israel’s disengagement from the Gaza Strip in September 2005.

    In May 2007, a significant increase in shelling from Gaza prompted the temporary evacuation of thousands of residents.[39] By November 23, 2007, 6,311 rockets had fallen on the city.[40] Yediot Ahronoth reported that during the summer of 2007, 3,000 of the city’s 22,000 residents (consisting mostly of the city’s key upper and middle class residents) left for other areas, out of Qassam rocket range. Russian billionaire Arcadi Gaydamak organised a series of relief programs for residents unable to leave.[41] On December 12, 2007, after more than 20 rockets landed in the Sderot area in a single day, including a direct hit to one of the main avenues, Sderot mayor Eli Moyal announced his resignation, citing the government’s failure to halt the rocket attacks.[42] Moyal was persuaded to retract his resignation. ”

    Youngest casualty so far was two. When a new railway was built from Tel Aviv the station at Sderot had to be armour plated.

    Fifty-five rockets were fired into Israel on one day last month.

    For some people any report on Israel which doesn’t mention the Protocols of the Elders of Zion at least once is going to be dismissed as “biased”.

  145. @Potlurk
    “Only problem is, it gives his interlocutors the look of daft people talking to themselves.”

    Please excuse me, I forgot to mention what the latest feature is.

    You can now select to hide all comments which even mention Habbabkuk, nomatter who wrote them. It’s your choice. No more the impression of talking to themselves!

    And don’t forget you can choose which people you want to hide and show. The flexibility will reinvigorate your Craig Murray experience.

    Have a break with Habbabreak

  146. Dear me what a cheek for the Israelis to complain, don’t they realise the Palestinians are only firing rockets onto the land which was stolen from them.

  147. Wiki…

    Afrend is From MY Star… Vega…We are ALL Brilliant from that System Ye Know.

    This is Sweetness Though… BIG Time

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151875403860775

  148. Sofia Kibo Noh

    12 Apr, 2014 - 1:11 am

    NEW HABBABREAK. IT REALLY REALLY WORKS!
    …AND IT’S SO KIND TO MY HANDS!!!

    Afriend. Go raibh maith agat. You’re the best!

    Potlurk. 10 47pm

    “Only problem is, it gives his interlocutors the look of daft people talking to themselves.”
    Yes, except that by the time a heckler has irritated you enough for you to feel motivated to use the software, you will also have a pretty good idea of the blog ecology and won’t need to read through any more of the bullshit than you choose.
    I think it’s great that you can flip it on and off just in case you need to remind yourself what “public diplomacy” or obsessive attention-seeking looks like.
    You might just want to dip back into it like a soap, to catch up with virtual family and friends, even demented old Uncle Habby in the corner.

    Now we can choose to be entertained as much or little as we wish as an antidote to the grimness we so often are focussing on by the nature of Craig’s blog. (Craig. Thanks so much for providing the space for these conversations to happen.)

    A Node says (4:42 pm)

    …The main reason I find this blog valuable is because the conformity enforcers sometimes discuss issues. I want my beliefs to be intelligently challenged, I want new information to be sceptically scrutinised before I accept it…

    And don’t they very effectively flag what issues need to have light shone on them.

    The whole heckler drama here reminds me of an Anti GM protest in the 1990′s where the locality, but not the location, of a test plot of GM Beet (beet family are wind-pollinated) had been announced. Adverts were published inviting people to a picnic at a local beauty spot, this was to be followed by a protest at the, as yet undiscovered, site. On the appointed day a single car drove around the area for half an hour till the massed police and security henchmen were located. The picnic happened after which a protest / party was held beside the security cordon.

    Thanks guys, now we know where to look.

  149. Kempe 12 Apr, 2014 – 12:33 am

    Bringing a little perspective to your post
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/dissecting-idf-propaganda-the-numbers-behind-the-rocket-attacks.html

    “Conclusion
    It can be argued that numbers ultimately don’t matter: One death is a death too many; one rocket is a rocket too many. But if that is the case, why do the IDF and related Israeli agencies need to inflate or fabricate numbers? Why has the numbers game been the cornerstone of Israeli rhetoric about rockets, as depicted in these other recent IDF graphics:”

  150. Thanks, Brian, that is just brilliant. I rarely laugh out loud at video. Watched that 3 times and laughed harder each time. Priceless.

  151. Sofia Kibo Noh

    12 Apr, 2014 - 1:27 am

    Missing sentence from last post…

    Isn’t looking daft a small price to pay for all the benefits of New Habbabreak?

  152. Sofia Kibo Noh

    12 Apr, 2014 - 1:29 am

    Brian.

    Formula 1 link. Simple, funny and effective. Thanks.

    I’m away to bed smiling after that.

  153. BrianFujisan

    12 Apr, 2014 - 2:14 am

    Sofia / A Node

    glad to spread a wee bit of smiles aroon here… My beautiful daughter put it up first… i couldn’t Resist it

    Meant to say A Node… adding my Commendation of you’re Reply to Mick… Spot on Dude

  154. BrianFujisan

    12 Apr, 2014 - 2:32 am

    A Node

    Meant also to say cheers for that mondoweiss Link..Hadn’t seen that one before…Awesome site that.

  155. Habba,ESLO,Res Diss,Kempe…et al

    Do run along chaps…you’ve been handed your dinner by many posters this last 36 hours.

    Desperation has a smell fellas yeah?

    Quit while you’re waysssss behind yah?

    Thankees.

  156. Tip:

    Scottish Grand National…14-1…

    Roberto Goldbaek.

    Its from a good source but then again dont blame me if it fails…LOL

  157. Resident Dissident

    12 Apr, 2014 - 6:40 am

    @SKN

    “Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.”
    Leo Tolstoy

    I couldn’t agree more – so don’t make idiotic claims that the GULAG and the US Prison system are similar. Think of them as belonging to different unhappy families, similarly stop trying to attribute everything that goes wrong in this World to the same underlying cause. Even better give us a break and read the rest of Anna Karenina – good chap that old Tolstoy.

  158. Resident Dissident

    12 Apr, 2014 - 6:44 am

    JIves

    Thank you for your post of 3.11am – the first I’ve seen from you that may have some content of value – unlikely but a I in 15 chance is rather better than the 1 in a million that is usually the case with your posts.

  159. Resident Dissident

    12 Apr, 2014 - 6:53 am

    Must say that I enjoyed BF’s video link – it actually shows how effective protests can be made without resorting to the noisy yobbish street theatre antics that many people find threatening and consequently ignore what little message there may be.

  160. Resident Dissident

    12 Apr, 2014 - 7:07 am

    No sign of any apology from the chief Holodomor denier. Anyway following Craig’s lead for dealing with Holocaust deniers we have had the exposure, so I think it is now time for some gentle ridicule.

    I must warn anyone with small children or animals (you know the type that suffer on Bonfire night) to turn the volume down beforehand, there is a danger that any cats in the locality may wish to join in.

    https://soundcloud.com/john_goose

    (Apologies to Sue who can actually sing!)

  161. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=liberal

    Fair minded and consolidated.

  162. Afghanistan, one of BLiar’s theatres of war, is hardly referred to now by the medja. Remember the swamp of the propaganda – the processions of hearses through Royal Wootton Bassett, the setting up and the performances of the Military Wives Choir, Outside broadcasts from Brize Norton, the outpourings of Mesdames Caroline Wyatt and Lyse Doucet on ZBC and their equivalents in the press and other TV channels…..

    The MoD’s PR departments aka Media Operations Group must have been on overtime.

    We would never outright lie but…” “I wasn’t exactly Goebbels but I was conscious of…”
    Second army officer quits to reveal ‘human cost of Afghanistan’

    Paul Gallagher
    Friday, 11 April 2014

    A second Army officer has resigned his commission so he can publish an eyewitness account of the human cost endured by the British Army in Afghanistan.

    Former reserve Captain Christian Hill has written a book on his experiences with the Media Operations Group, where his main role was to “promote” the war to the public back home and give the appearance everything was under control. The reality, he claims in the book, was often very different.

    The Ministry of Defence was sent a copy of Combat Camera in December, when it told Mr Hill that his book, due to be published on 20 April, was subject to a 35-working day clearance review which has to be passed up the chain of command and its publication could be blocked. His request for clarification on any possible national security breaches went unanswered, so he quit his position.

    Earlier this week, Dr Mike Martin resigned his position as a Territorial Army Captain to enable him to publish An Intimate War, his own heavily critical account of British operations in Helmand.

    /..

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/second-army-officer-quits-to-reveal-human-cost-of-afghanistan-9255145.html

  163. The Miliband piece on last night’s 10 pm news.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04000mz/BBC_News_at_Ten_11_04_2014/ 13 mins in for 4 mins.

    Was it ‘news’?

    PS The wreath was laurel on the reverse but floral on its face. Does Israel send bills for the wreaths to the prominent people seen laying them at Yad Vashem? Probably not. All part of the propaganda machine. Miliband is off to West Bank today. He was seen in the piece with Netanyahu. Did the subject of the settlement building come up we wonder.

    The SNP gathering featured in the previous segment btw.

  164. Miliband’s timing is poor of course as the ‘talks’ have ended.

    From the US Jewish Voice for Peace http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

    “700 settlement units were announced in Jerusalem, and poof – that was sort of the moment.”- Secretary of State John Kerry

    Kerry’s latest statement: more honest than he intended? The US-backed peace process is faltering. What comes next?

    It wasn’t exactly poetry, but Secretary of State John Kerry’s testimony to Congress this week might go down in history as a real turning point in the last 20 plus years of US-orchestrated negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians. (1)

    For the first time— and despite later efforts to backtrack— a U.S. Secretary of State admitted it was the Israelis who are derailing talks.

    Kerry couldn’t have been more clear about the recent sequence of events that have driven these talks to the brink.

    First Israel refused to release the last group of Palestinian prisoners they had promised to free, then they announced construction of 700 new settlement units, and only then did the Palestinians announce that they would attempt to join 15 international human rights conventions.

    The US and Israel still vigorously criticized that move, which begs the question: what kind of “peace process” considers signing on to covenants promoting the rights of children, the disabled, and others a threat to peace? (2)

    Of course, unilateral Israeli actions to undermine peace go back much further.

    Since the Oslo Accords, the number of Jewish settlers on Palestinian land has more than doubled – to more than 650,000. (3) In fact, Benjamin Netanyahu campaigned for re-election on a promise of one million Jews living in “Judea and Samaria”. (4)

    Rather than hold Israel accountable, the United States has repeatedly rewarded the Israeli government whenever it violated the law or agreements, now fueling the occupation with $3.2 billion in annual military aid.

    The United States is indeed acting like a broker in these talks — representing Israel.

    The losers in this peace scam? The Palestinians most of all, but also every Israeli who wants a lasting and just peace. And every US resident who wants our tax money to be used for freedom and democracy, not occupation and apartheid.

    In truth, the terms Kerry and Israel set forth have nothing to do with equality – they’ll require Palestinians to sit at the back of the bus.

    But they give us an idea of what will be on the table should talks, which have proven to be an effective delaying tactic while Israel builds “fact on the ground”, limp along.

    They include an unprecedented demand that the Palestinian Authority recognize Israel as a Jewish state. That’s code for condemning Israel’s 25% of citizens who aren’t Jewish to second and third class status, and denying the internationally recognized rights of Palestinian refugees. (5)

    And the land being negotiated for a future Palestinian “state”?

    It looks more like the holes in a piece of Swiss cheese, thanks to decades of US-enabled settlement expansion. Put another way, whatever the rhetoric of a “two-state solution,” Israeli policies have already created a de-facto single state including all of Israel, the West Bank, Gaza and occupied East Jerusalem, albeit one built on the premise of separate and unequal lives for Jews and non-Jews. This is the very definition of apartheid.

    So what next?

    At Jewish Voice for Peace, we believe that the struggle for freedom and self-determination will end, like similar struggles in Northern Ireland and South Africa, at the negotiation table. But that can only happen when all parties can sit down together with equal power.

    Israel has one of the strongest militaries in the world, the only nuclear arsenal in the Middle East, and the unconditional backing of the world’s sole super power. It is the 24th wealthiest country in the world. Meanwhile, the Palestinians across the table remain stateless, impoverished, occupied, or second-class citizens inside of Israel.

    But the balance of power is changing.

    And the engine of that change is the unstoppable movement of nonviolent resistance by Palestinians and their allies – including Jews of conscience – around the globe. Education, lobbying, the involvement of international legal bodies, demonstrations in the streets in Israel and Palestine, have all made a difference and will continue to grow.

    And where our governments have thus far failed us, more and more people everywhere have begun to stand up and use nonviolent, economic power to build pressure on Israel to do the right thing.

    The successes of the Palestinian-led nonviolent movement for Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) are growing, with billions of dollars and major multinational corporations already impacted. That pressure has already been felt at this round of talks. Even Prime Minister Netanyahu mentioned BDS 26 times in his speech to AIPAC, the largest U.S. pro-Israel lobbying organization.

    The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement is the Palestinians’ Montgomery Bus Boycott.This movement for us as Jews is a form of tochecha, the Jewish tradition of sacred rebuke, which comes from a place of love and is the religious obligation to remind one’s friends to live by their values. It is also a nonviolent and principled way to liberate our own community from the dehumanizing role of oppressor.

    Can BDS really work? We think so. Israeli government officials agree. Israeli finance minister Yair Lapid warned that even a limited EU boycott could cost the Israeli economy over $5 billion dollars a year. Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni put it even more directly: “The boycott is moving and advancing uniformly and exponentially…Those who don’t want to see it, will end up feeling it.” Already impacted, even Israel’s business elites are organizing to demand a negotiated agreement.

    Certainly, BDS is working better than any strategy has before. It’s a movement rooted in Palestinian civil society – women’s groups, trade unions, students – and so it has no leader that can be stopped. No single funder that can be cut off.

    It is fueled instead by the same love for justice, equality, and human rights that has fueled every successful justice movement the world has ever seen. Grounded in international law, it asks for an end to occupation, equality for the Palestinian citizens of Israel, and a just resolution for millions of refugees.

    Martin Luther King famously wrote in his “Letter from a Birmingham Jail”:
    “You may well ask: ‘Why direct action? Why sit-ins, marches and so forth? Isn’t negotiation a better path?’ You are quite right in calling for negotiation. Indeed, this is the very purpose of direct action. Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue.”

    That is precisely what we are doing. And we ask you to continue to join us in this historic movement at this historic moment. So that all who live in Israel and Palestine, in whatever configuration both peoples choose, can live as equals, with the same opportunities to raise families safely, go to school, and build a future.

    Whatever happens in the coming days and weeks, we have turned a corner, and there’s no going back.

    Sincerely,

    Cecilie Surasky
    Deputy Director

  165. Sorry I could not give a link as the JVfP site has been corrupted. I copied the email.

  166. Mary, thanks for your article from Jewish voice for peace. It is good to know there are Jews of conscience working against the oppression. Ways and means are not out of our hands in dealing with Israeli illegality, and Birmingham City Council has found one way to put the pressure on. Not to renew the contract with racist oppressors.

    http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/veolia-warned-over-birmingham-contract-6946116

  167. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Apr, 2014 - 9:35 am

    From Mary re Miliband’s visit to Israel and the Westr Bank

    “Miliband is off to West Bank today. He was seen in the piece with Netanyahu. Did the subject of the settlement building come up we wonder.”
    _________________

    In an effort to be helpful: if you’re really interested, you could try contacting Miliband’s office to ask?

    I think it’d probably respond, given that Miliband’s after your vote (you recently told us that you’d received an email from the Labour party)

    ******************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  168. Afrend 11 Apr, 2014 – 8:12 pm

    Afrend you are a real friend, a true friend to the decent people who come to this blog for enlightenment and sometimes find in its place a visible darkness. What a star you are. Thank you sincerely.

  169. Agree John.

    Yet more of Miliband on the BBC website under the Politics heading rather than World/Middle East.

    Three of the five large photos relate to the Yad Vashem visit so the title here is rather misleading. S/be Labour leader Ed Miliband visits Yad Vashem.

    Labour leader Ed Miliband visits Israel
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26986410

    Info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yad_Vashem

  170. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Apr, 2014 - 9:48 am

    From a long quote by Mary

    “They include an unprecedented demand that the Palestinian Authority recognize Israel as a Jewish state. That’s code for condemning Israel’s 25% of citizens who aren’t Jewish to second and third class status, and denying the internationally recognized rights of Palestinian refugees.”
    ____________________

    I don’t know what the legal implications for Palestinian refugees of possible recognition by the P.A. of Israel as a Jewish state might be and so shan’t comment on that, but can someone explain exactly why and how such recognition would “condemn non-Jewish Israeli citizens to second and third class status”? Detailed info please, rather than mere general statements and rants.

    I ask, inter alia, against the background of comments which have appeared on this blog in the past, from the Iranian govt’s friends, that non-Muslims enjoy full political, economic and social rights in the Islamic republic of Iran as the country is officially named.

    Thank you.

  171. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Apr, 2014 - 9:51 am

    Mr Goss

    “Afrend you are a real friend, a true friend to the decent people..etc,etc…”

    ________________

    Shouldn’t you be addressing your true friend by his usual/previous handle?

    Just askin’.

  172. John I meant that I agree with your previous comment on the JVfP message. Still not sure about the Habbabreak device though. Continuity is lost and in the end we could end up deleting all comments from everyone we had taken a dislike to so what would be the point of the blog. I just use the scroll button and ignore him and them.

    Also I think it is likely to heighten the illusions of superiority the t—–s already possess.

  173. Does BLiar the Quartet Envoy ever comment on Israel’s daily atrocities? One example here.

    Israeli police brutality video goes viral

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/358016.html

    An online video has emerged, showing Israeli police forces battering a Palestinian before attacking a protesting bystander.

    Ali Talhami suffered a broken arm and ribs after police officers repeatedly slammed a police car door on him, the Israeli daily Haaretz reported on Thursday.

    The video shows a police officer forcing Talhami into the police van with blows and then walking over to Majdi Dabah, who was standing nearby, before throwing him at the vehicle.

    Talhami was subjected to the acts of violence for refusing to pay up a heavy fine imposed on him by an inspector for leaving a refrigerator outside his store in East al-Quds (Jerusalem).

    “I explained the refrigerator was outside because we were returning it to the company, but the inspector started swearing at me,” Talhami said, adding that he was then attacked by a police officer accompanying the inspector before other police officers arrived and joined in on the beating.

    “After we reached the police station, they continued beating me,” said Talhami.

    “The policeman started beating Ali, and I told him not to,” Dabah said. “So he pushed me with my head into the window and then knocked me to the ground and beat me.”

    “My shoulder was dislocated and my head hurts,” Dabah said.

    http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/04/israeli-police-brutality-video-goes-viral/

    ~~~

    Tony Blair’s record in the Middle East is a sorry one – it’s time he quit
    It’s easy to see what the former Labour prime minister gets out of his role as Middle East envoy, but harder to see what he gives back
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/9806139/Tony-Blairs-record-in-the-Middle-East-is-a-sorry-one-its-time-he-quit.html

    It’s a joke. Look at the staffing. http://www.quartetrep.org/quartet/pages/about-oqr/
    BLiar had a luxurious suite in a Jerusalem 5 star hotel but was recently moved. Details of his salary and details of employment are unknown.

    Look at the answer {top right} to this written question.
    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+E-2010-1667+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN

  174. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Apr, 2014 - 12:14 pm

    “Tony Blair’s record in the Middle East is a sorry one – it’s time he quit
    It’s easy to see what the former Labour prime minister gets out of his role as Middle East envoy, but harder to see what he gives back
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/9806139/Tony-Blairs-record-in-the-Middle-East-is-a-sorry-one-its-time-he-quit.html

    It’s a joke. Look at the staffing. http://www.quartetrep.org/quartet/pages/about-oqr/
    __________________

    This might surprise some, but I would certainly agree with that view.

    He would do better to stick with writing and his lecture tours.

  175. Fred
    10 Apr, 2014 – 7:18 pm

    “It should be pointed ot that the word “marriage” doesn’t mean just the same thing in Muslim countries as it does in Britain. Just because two people are married it does not mean they are going to sleep together…”

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    10 Apr, 2014 – 7:25 pm

    “Fred”

    “That was an interesting post, thank you.”

    So Habbabkuk supports child marriage!!!

  176. “He would do better to stick with writing and his lecture tours.”

    And leave the warmongering to his family.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blairs-eldest-son-euan-in-the-frame-for-safe-labour-seat-in-bootle-9254905.html

  177. West Bank spitoon

    12 Apr, 2014 - 12:43 pm

    [This contributor is banned from commenting.]

  178. “So Habbabkuk supports child marriage!!!”

    I don’t think he said that, I certainly didn’t say I supported it.

    I just thought it necessary to point out the differences between east and west lest any racists decided to brand Muslims paedophiles. There is a great deal of hatred against paedophiles in the west, which is strange because unlike the east they have newspapers with pictures of half naked barely legal young girls on page three.

  179. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Apr, 2014 - 1:04 pm

    Fred

    Yes, that’s correct; you have answered Mr Scorgie’s non-point.

    You were pointing out a cultural difference (which may well be a bit of a minority one in the Muslim world).

    A cultural difference which we in the West can’t do much about (whether unfortunately or not) as such ‘marriages’ take place outside our jurisdiction (unlike, for example, FGM occurring in the UK where something can and should be done).

  180. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Apr, 2014 - 1:16 pm

    Fred

    ““He would do better to stick with writing and his lecture tours.”

    And leave the warmongering to his family.”
    ____________________

    I’d prefer it if none of his family went in for war-mongering. But more seriously, I take a very dim view of the creation of political dynasties (so to speak). That hasn’t really been a big feature of modern political Britain but there does seem to be a trend developing – not only in the UK but also in at least certain continental countries.

    Perhaps not a problem PROVIDED that local selection committees are left to choose wisely the best candidate from their own local perspective and are not interfered with by the central party organization. Which is probably illusory.

    The problem is also : should one visit the sins of the father onto the child? The answer is probably no, and judgement should be based (to the extent possible)on whether the shittiness of the father has been passed on to the child.

  181. “The problem is also : should one visit the sins of the father onto the child? The answer is probably no, and judgement should be based (to the extent possible)on whether the shittiness of the father has been passed on to the child.”

    Researches have found strong evidence that psychopathy is genetic.

  182. A Node

    Not having a dig at you, just at CEOs. Should they earn 10 times the salary of their least paid employee? Mrs Thatcher’s reforms to restore the UK to Victorian values are being continued by the incumbent shite at no 10. Why don’t the CEOs just take all the profits of the company and simply manage volunteers? Why don’t we pay companies to give us meaningful tasks to fill our spare time?

    In the only salaried job I have ever had, the CEO stuffed me by asking me to beat the quote of a contractor. There’s me scratching around on the internet for cheap kitchens while he was swanning around on 230K p.a.. A company has to pay the proper rate for professional contractors, not try and employ cowboys who mess the company about and lose you your job.

    A new breed of ultra arrogant, ultra ignorant managers have taken over the positions of the old middle-classes. That’s why when ever I heard the word reform, I know that it will mean new people sitting their bottoms on the seats of the present incumbents but more corrupt, more selfish and more ruthless than the first.

    You mentioned Community Enforcers. In the current climate I think it is extremely likely that the trolls are well-paid, salaried personnel of a private truthbashing company funded by HM government. ?50 grand plus for persistently disrupting a truthseeking operation like this?

    There is no need for companies to produce or do anything anymore. Their job is to consume taxpayers money by squashing the taxpayers freedom of speech and belief. Keynsian, Big Brother, NWO insanity. After Snowden it is no longer daft to suggest that the state is doing this.

    The only limit to state insanity is the limit of our imaginations to comprehend the scope of their evil. Hijacking MH370 and false-flagging other murderous attacks by Muslims like Boston and Woolwich enable them to create a version of Islam that is corporate, international and diametrically opposed to the spirit of truth and freedom of Islam. The war against Islam is not just by the mercenaries of AlQaida, but in the board rooms of global corporations.

    Power corrupts and anybody in possession of power at this moment of time is corrupt. The corruption is not yet absolute, but centuries of rebellion by Socialism against the previous corruption has been binned by the greed and selfishness of the precent generation. The wars of our last 20 years have been obvious enough for anyone with a moral compass of any kind to recognise the corruption of power. Yet they still swallow their principles to grab the cash being dangled in front of them.

    Do you think that ignoring the ignorant will make them go away?
    The lesson of history is that power must be cut from the hands of the greedy by word and sword.

  183. WEAPON’S of MASS DISTRACTION – like father, like son

    Tony Blair’s son Euan targets ultra-safe Labour seat in Merseyside…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2602920/Tony-Blairs-son-Euan-targets-ultra-safe-Labour-seat-Merseyside-close-mother-Cheries-childhood-home.html

  184. doug scorgie

    12 Apr, 2014 - 2:30 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    I have long held the view that all Israeli governments past and present have always intended to expand Israel, over time, to create the Zionist vision of Greater Israel; that being the whole of historic Palestine.

    The Zionists want a one state solution; that being – one state from the Jordon River to the Mediterranean Sea for Jews only; their “promised land.”

    This view is backed by a new Zionist book:

    “The Israeli Solution, a One-State Plan for Peace in the Middle East” by Caroline Glick.

    It suggests that Israel should do to the West Bank what Prime Minister Begin did to the Golan Heights and Jerusalem by placing them under Israeli law and through that, Israeli sovereignty.

    The author says that Palestinians resident in the West Bank (after this de facto annexation) could apply for Israeli citizenship and if they are accepted they will be allowed to vote in elections and have equal rights. (How sweet)

    This land grab of the West Bank (or, as the author calls it, Judea and Samaria) would result in the Jewish population being twice that of the Palestinians thereby maintaining Israel’s Jewish character.

    Gaza does not feature in the plan because I think the population if included would weaken the built in Jewish advantage of the new Israel. Also, of course, no right of return for Palestinians refugees.

    A reviewer of her book has the following to say:

    “The Israeli Solution projects an alternative to the dangerous gamesmanship and perpetual war we have witnessed in the quest for a so-called two state solution. Yet, is it really wise to try to absorb a fiendish population – people mired in rage, mental instability, and rigid ideology – into one’s country?”

    “The expulsion of the Palestinian Arabs from Judea and Samaria, although not suggested in Glick’s book, would be much more effective in bringing peace to Israel. Yet, before doing so, an aggressive public relations campaign against the Palestinian Arabs is needed to counteract Arab and Soviet-era propaganda about Israel. This campaign would put the moral onus where it belongs – on the attitudes, beliefs, and behavior of the Arabs, who were and still remain, an implacable enemy.”

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/14807#.U0WCi5tOUhk

    This confirms my belief that a two state solution was never really on the cards.

  185. Some truths about Rwanda, another one of BLiar’s areas of operation.

    I see the author (who has extensive knowledge of Africa) describes BLiar’s pal Kagame thus:

    ‘The United States, Canada, Britain and Israel wanted more of the African pie, and Paul Kagame was the man to get it for them.

    English-speaking ‘Tutsis’ who grew up in Uganda – Paul Kagame, James Kabarebe, Fred Rwigyema, Patrick Karegeya, Laurent Nkundabatware, and thousands of others – were the soldiers of Yoweri Museveni’s guerrilla army. They committed massive atrocities in Uganda, (1980-1985), where absolute terrorism was used to remove a socialist government run by an ungrateful Negro. The victims in Uganda were also blamed for genocide, turning the truth upside-down. This is how Museveni and Kagame – his director of military intelligence – brought Uganda back in line with the geopolitical dictates of the West: aka disaster capitalism. There was, of course, a lot of money to be made.’

    Real Rwandan Genocide and Brainwashing of the Western Mind
    by Keith Harmon Snow / April 11th, 2014
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/04/real-rwandan-genocide-and-brainwashing-of-the-western-mind/

    The other day I came across this photo of Hague and Angelina Jolie with their crocodile tears. That was Srebrenica.
    http://mag.newsweek.com/2014/04/18/angelina-jolies-campaign-justice-survivors-bosnias-mass.html

    This is the same pair in Rwanda last year.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/world-location-news/william-hague-and-angelina-jolie-visit-rwanda

    Before that, it was Darfur with George Clooney and Mia Farrow.
    Sudan describes actors Mia Farrow, Clooney as ‘ignorant’
    http://www.sudantribune.com/spip.php?article31089

    These Ac-Tors make me sick.

  186. I wrote before about Welby’s son being given employment by BLiar at the ironically named Faith Foundation.

    The daughter-in-law has been there too. The FF seems like an incubator.

    ‘Dame Gail Rebuck, the publisher whose firm paid Blair a £4.6million advance for his memoirs, was appointed to the foundation’s board last year. Her daughter, Georgia, had worked as its website and online co-ordinator. And Suzanne Ashman, daughter of motor racing tycoon Jonathan and wife of Blair’s son, Euan, worked for the Foundation in 2009.

    Last year it was disclosed that the charity was being bankrolled by Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who gave it £320,000 — a fifth of all the donations declared in the relevant accounts.

    The Foundation declines to say how much it is paying Peter Welby.’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594735/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Archbishop-Welbys-son-given-plum-job-Blair.html

  187. Ben-Joseph N. Welch

    12 Apr, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    Guano; Nice rant, as ever.

    Managers are like politicos, and the power associated with their position is corrupting, but only if they are weak as to character. Narcissism is more viral than ever. Self-interst drives most managers and they, like politicos are bureaucrats. Bureaucrats hold the company in high esteem only so far as it helps them move their own needles, and the so-called loyalty they display is more like a moral failing in that it is a superficial salute to themselves. Redundant layers of such persons suck all the air out of long-term bizness strategies, and feed the short-sell. End my own rant.

  188. guano 12 Apr, 2014 – 1:31 pm

    Quite agree with everything you say. When a nation changes its leader, we make a big deal of it, speculate on the character of the new incumbent and what effect it will have on his/her country and possibly our country. Nowadays, many companies are more powerful than many nations but there is no scrutiny, no speculation, no sanctions, no Geneva Convention. I might even make an argument that some countries are more powerful than any nation. Woe betide any country that stands up to Exxon Mobile or Shell, for example, whilst more shadowy companies like the Carlyle Group … well, who knows.

    I looked up the Forbes List of The World’s Biggest Companies. Interesting and revealing that 5 of the top 10 are banks, and another is an investment company. So 6/10 of the worlds biggest companies produce nothing, just manipulate money. Also interesting that it is two Chinese banks, ICBC and China Construction Bank, at number 1 and 2 spots followed by US bank, JPMorgan Chase at 3.

    By the way, you correctly corrected me when I used ‘CO’ insted of ‘CE’. My turn now. The acronym stands for ‘Conformity Enforcer’ rather than ‘Community Enforcer’.

  189. Correction to my post 2 above:

    I might even make an argument that some companies are more powerful than any nation.

  190. What You’re Saying About Habbabreak

    Ba’al Zevul: “Habbabreak – the season ticket for your train of thought.”

    Dreoilin: “Many thanks!”

    Fred: “You have created a weapon.”

    John Goss: “Thank you sincerely.”

    Nevermind: “Just joined the habbabreak club.”

    Potlurk: “Habbabreak really improves the threads.”

    Sofia Kibo Noh: “IT REALLY REALLY WORKS! …AND IT’S SO KIND TO MY HANDS!!!”

    Wow, thank you!

  191. doug scorgie

    12 Apr, 2014 - 3:54 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 Apr, 2014 – 1:04 pm

    “A cultural difference which we in the West can’t do much about (whether unfortunately or not) as such ‘marriages’ take place outside our jurisdiction (unlike, for example, FGM occurring in the UK where something can and should be done).”

    What about male genital mutilation carried out in the UK Habbabkuk?

  192. Fred at 1.24:

    ‘ “The problem is also : should one visit the sins of the father onto the child? The answer is probably no, and judgement should be based (to the extent possible)on whether the shittiness of the father has been passed on to the child.”

    Researches have found strong evidence that psychopathy is genetic.’

    I refer also to Habbabkuk’s comment to which this is a response.

    Habbabkuk: of course political dynasties are an old thing: for centuries the Roman Empire was run this way, every Emperor wanted his progeny to succeed him, the success rate was low because most of the kids got bumped off by political rivals.

    Another example was the great aristo families in this country during the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.

    Your suggestion, Habbabkuk, about local selection committees reminds me of Plato’s arguments about the ideal government in which candidates were weeded out as children and carefully nurtured, educated etc.

    I only mention these points because debate about ideal forms of government is not something I have noticed much on this blog. Its important to notice the faults and deficiencies of the system but I sometimes find myself wondering where people think the kind of change they want is going to come from.

    Regarding your point Fred about psychopathy: I worked for a number of years with people who had that label and I formed the clear impression that psychopathy was the result first and foremost of sustained childhood abuse, but I’d be interested in the research you mention.

    I’m not sure that in the medical sense someone like Blair or for that matter Hitler is a psychopath. I have read biographies of both characters and you wouldn’t obviously identify major abuse in their upbringing. Having said that of course it is not always obvious.

  193. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Apr, 2014 - 4:33 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “What about male genital mutilation carried out in the UK Habbabkuk?”
    __________________

    What about it, Doug? What is it you’d like to know?

  194. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Apr, 2014 - 4:37 pm

    Mary

    “The Foundation declines to say how much it is paying Peter Welby.’”
    ________________

    Of course I hold no brief for Peter Welby, but it might perhaps be good to point out that most companies and organizations would decline to give third parties information on how much their employees earned. It’s called data protection/protection of personal information.

    I’m sure that if I asked you – and the other Eminences – to tell me what your monthly income was, you’d quite rightly tell me to mind my own business. But feel free to prove me wrong, of course!

  195. Ben-Joseph N. Welch

    12 Apr, 2014 - 4:48 pm

    “I only mention these points because debate about ideal forms of government is not something I have noticed much on this blog. Its important to notice the faults and deficiencies of the system but I sometimes find myself wondering where people think the kind of change they want is going to come from.”

    It’s a discussion of what ‘ideal form of government’ doesn’t include; a process of elimination that seems to suggest Capitalism doesn’t work in it’s present guise. If one is happy with the current form, more than likely you’re part of the problem, rather than the solution.

  196. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Apr, 2014 - 4:48 pm

    Conjunction

    Thank you for that – interesting!

    Re the 18th and 19th century grand families, you’re right, but that’s why I specifically said something like “in modern British politics”; perhaps I should have been more precise and said “in 20th century British politics.

    Memory probably fails, but the only (entirely)post-WW1 examples that come to mind – at least as far as monisters are concerned – are the Heathcoat-Amorys (uncle/nephew) and the Brookes (father and son).

  197. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 Apr, 2014 - 4:49 pm

    “Monisters” – not monsters, ministers

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