So the second post mortem shows that Ian Tomlinson did not die of a heart attack, but of an abdominal haemmorhage. A policeman has been interviewed under caution for manslaughter.
If that American tourist had not captured on video one stage of the unprovoked police assault on Mr Tomlinson, the original falsified post mortem report of heart attack would have stood. So would the Metropolitan police statement that they had “No contact” with Mr Tomlinson.
Let us catalogue the lies we have been told by the authorities in this case:
Lie 1 – There was no police contact with Mr Tomlinson
Lie 2 Mr Tomlinson died of a heart attack
Lie 3 Protestors rained missiles at police rescuing and treating Mr Tomlinson
Lie 4 There were no CCTV cameras covering the assault on Mr Tomlinson
Lie 5 There were CCTV cameras, but they were not working
There may be more.
This is an echo of the numerous appalling lies the police told in the Jean Charles De Menezes case, which led to the astonishing ruling that the police are allowed to lie, even on oath, by the worst judge ever to sit in England.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2008/12/the_disgraceful.html
It is the whole police philosophy of violence towards dissent, and dehumanising tactic of “kettling” people, that killed Mr Tomlinson. To charge a single individual will not be sufficient.
The government pathologist who carried out the original post mortem must be charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice. He must also be struck off by the General Medical Council.
The police spokesmen who told the lies that there was no police contact with Mr Tomlinson, and that protestors threw missiles at police treating Mr Tomlinson, must be charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice.
The senior police officers in charge of devising the “kettling” tactics and cordons at the G20 must be charged with manslaughter.
The responsible minister, Jacqui Smith, should resign.
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“Lie 1 – There was no police contact with Mr Tomlinson”
No it is true that there was no police contact with Tomlinson where he collapsed. Witnesses confirm this. Without the other evidence this was all they had to go on. No lying.
“Lie 2 Mr Tomlinson died of a heart attack”
It wasn’t a lie, of course. The second coroner did confirm Tomlinson had heart decease and bad organs. It’s a matter of judgement.
“Lie 3 Protestors rained missiles at police rescuing and treating Mr Tomlinson”
This has been confirmed by video tape and witnesses to be true – at least one bottle was thrown.
“Lie 4 There were no CCTV cameras covering the assault on Mr Tomlinson”
There is no evidence this was a lie by the head of the IPCC. They were still going through all the evidence. What’s the point in lying about something like that if it was going to come out?
“Lie 5 There were CCTV cameras, but they were not working”
see above.
But I agree that it does look like you’ve won the lottery on this case. They’re saying Tomlinson may have had a huge aneurism in his gut from years of bad living. Experts say it was going to go sometime soon anyway, but you’ve now got a way to link his death with the shove, although its still a matter of opinion.
My thoughts are with the police officer involved at this time. He mistook a rambling drunk for an awkward protester and in a freak accident the man died, and now his life is ruined. A very and bizarre case.
Is Jess really?
a) Derek Draper
b) Damian McBride
c) Jacqui Smith
Oh Jessy, you are a treat. Shouldn’t you be out in our shopping centres looking for suspicious activity? Why waste time here with freaks like us when you can be hunting terrorists? It’s hardly productive use of your valuable time. I’d think you had more important things to get on with.
Now consider the hypocrisy….
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1170404/ROBERT-HARDMAN-Why-Left-silent-riot-squads-inflicted-terrible-injuries-peaceful-country-folk-2004.html
‘Is Jess really?
a) Derek Draper
b) Damian McBride
c) Jacqui Smith’
Or d) Jacqui Smith’s gimp.
I was about to post a comment along the lines of “where’s Jess now”, but it seems s/he has the brass neck to keep haunting us.
And as for “winning the lottery”, am I the only one here who thinks that’s a rather repugnant way of admitting that Craig and others here were right?
I suggest ignoring Jess. If he isn’t a Labour troll, then he has a very worrying mental condition and should seek help.
And Jess, should we not at least give the deceased the respect he deserves and call him Ian Tomlinson or Mr Tomlinson?
“It wasn’t a lie, of course. The second coroner did confirm Tomlinson had heart decease and bad organs. It’s a matter of judgement.”
He could’ve had a cancerous tumour, too, but that wouldn’t mean he died of cancer. Only in your world. If they’d bashed him on the head and he died of a seizure, you’d be citing epilepsy as cause of death.
“Lie 3 Protestors rained missiles at police rescuing and treating Mr Tomlinson”
“Lie 3 Protestors rained missiles at police rescuing and treating Mr Tomlinson”
“This has been confirmed by video tape and witnesses to be true – at least one bottle was thrown.”
Hmm, so if one man falls off the top of a building, it would be quite accurate to report this as…
“It’s raining men…”
(Hallelujah, it’s raining men)
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You are worse than these people, who are clearly trying to save their skins and are at least somewhat justified in doing all they can to evade scrutiny and frustrate justice, ie: escape from a rather nasty set of possibilities. I can’t condone it, but I can understand it, as a totally misplaced loyalty to a member of an organisation.
You, Jess, on the other hand, assuming you’re not a member of the Met, have absolutely no pressing reason to be here, talking out of your backside, and dissembling in front of an audience who can see you for the transparent apologist you are.
I hope to God that if anybody else gets an unmerited shove from a Met officer, that it’s you, you could have no complaints. In fact, I can imagine you toadying to the last, giving a press conference, hairless, wheelchair bound, paralyses from the neck down, expressing your admiration for the Met and your sympathy for the officer concerned ‘at this difficult time. If you think I have had it bad, imagine, he CRIED when he realised what he’d done to me and missed two days of duty. I hope to be able to meet him in person and express my admiration for him, as soon he feels emotionally ready…”
‘Winning the lottery’ was a term chosen deliberately. It’s hardly a secret that you guys have been praying that you could link this death to the police officer in some way to suit your political agenda. I mean, just look at Murray’s list of misleading lies thrown together.
It’s still hardly the police officers fault that this man had an aneurysm from years of bad living and freakishly died – we all know that – but it appears your lucky number has come up nonetheless. This will be a goldmine of propaganda.
As the pictures in the article I linked to above shows, you’re not against police brutality if it’s against the right sort of people, so that has nothing to do with it. Just be happy that this officier’s life – a family man – is now ruined.
In fact, if Jess is a Labour troll, he has a very worrying mental condition and should seek help.
Back on topic, there were eye-witness reports of an earlier assault by the police on Mr Tomlinson, and it was as a result of this that he appeared dazed and disoriented in the footage given to the Guardian. I wonder if we will hear more of this, or if these witnesses will be ignored in the absence of corroborating video evidence.
BBC news was so emphatically certain in its assertion that Tomlinson’s death was from a heart attack that I at once suspected it wasn’t. We have reached the Soviet situation, where in order to construe the output of the state-controlled broadcaster one has to invert it.
“I hope to God that if anybody else gets an unmerited shove from a Met officer, that it’s you”
How do you know it hasn’t already happened?
“Back on topic, there were eye-witness reports of an earlier assault by the police on Mr Tomlinson, and it was as a result of this that he appeared dazed and disoriented in the footage given to the Guardian.”
Nonesense. There were pictures of him rambling about hours before. He was an alcholic. After the fall he was talking and walked off in a steady manner. We still don’t have all the evidence if he really was only trying to go straight home.
“As the pictures in the article I linked to above shows, you’re not against police brutality if it’s against the right sort of people…”
Touche, Jess, that’s an eloquent summation of your own hypocrisy.
“A Freak Accident” ? FFS!
All I can think to say is – Shut Up Jess!
You haven’t got a F*****g clue what you’re talking about.
Oh and you forgot to add – “Vote Labour”.
“How do you know it hasn’t already happened?”
Well, you’re certainly exhibiting symptoms of a heavy fall. Perhaps a brain scan is in order.
Jessy, can I ask you a question?
“A Freak Accident” ? FFS!”
How many people have a large aneurysm in their stomach already? Anything could have set it off. One expert I have seen says he may not have been far away from death in any event.
How many years would you like the officer to spend in jail, away from his wife and children, for this shove? What number would make you the happiest?
Jess, maybe you can do the decent thing and step in and do his porridge for him.
Jess,
Where exactly are you looking? I have been googling and can see no evidence that the post mortem report said he had an aneurysm. Where do you get this from?
People do in fact walk round with aneurysms for decades, incidentally. You are still not allowed to hit people with batons if they are ill.
So, Jess, if the same officer was shown to have hit those posh folks you showed us in the Daily Mail, then…
Also, you forgot to say that he should be given a medal. We can well imagine him abandoning royal protocol and shoving over the Queen as a means of expressing his gratitude.
You’d be back on here, explaining how Her Majesty was ‘dawdling along in a tiara’ and besides, ‘has had a good innings’…
I presume everyone saw this Guardian piece:
“Pathologist in Ian Tomlinson G20 death case was reprimanded over conduct”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/11/g20-pathologist-ian-tomlinson
Obviously, the first pathologist must’ve been in the pay of the Metropolitan police and the officer, who hit Tomlinson, one of the ‘elite’ force positioned within the normal police to beat up demonstrators.
What a country!
“I have been googling and can see no evidence that the post mortem report said he had an aneurysm. Where do you get this from?”
It was on both the BBC and Sky coverage of the news as it came out. It was very clear. They had experts on to talk about it. They said it was likely, left undiscovered as it probably would have done, that the he would have died from this aneurysm. Very interesting indeed that you say you cannot find this in any other the other reports. Rather gives the game away about how the media like to edit out information that might be mitigating. They want it as sexy as possible to get the biggest hit.
Jess
Absolutely correct. And, I know how you must feel….
I have been trying to defend the actions of Hitlers Gestapo for years, but no one listens to me either, ‘sigh’.
Screwed the wording a bit there.
‘They said it was likely, left undiscovered as it probably would have done, that the he would have died from this aneurysm.’
Ridiculous.
Obviously you do not understand what ‘manslaugher’ means.
As for the comment ‘winning the lottery’, I think you should crawl back into the troll hole you came out of.