Joking Now Illegal 276

One of the tinier income flows of the “security industry” amongst the billions of cash they have made from the War on Terror, is the money they get from television punditry. This is a double whammy as they get paid to stoke up the climate of fear on which they thrive.

Sky News have had two different security “experts” on in the last ten minutes, both assuring us how deadly serious last night’s incident on Emirates was, and that the police response was “Proportionate” and necessary. The Sky presenters repeated the mantra of proportionate action too.

Complete bollocks. Common sense seems to have gone out of the window completely. I don’t know exactly what Al-Qaida teach their potential bombers in the Yemen. Apparently they don’t teach them that you can’t blow up commercial explosive without a detonator, in the case of the underpants bomber. The UK authorities apparently believe they also don’t tell them not to let the flight crew know about the bomb, before the plane takes off.

According to “security expert” Chris from Bolton, the men may have been making a joke among themselves which the cabin staff overheard. Something like “Did you remember the bomb Jim?” “Don’t worry it’s in the hold”.

The authorities are very keen to introduce suspect profiling, to make sure Muslims get worked over. Here is a clue for suspect profiling: terrorists don’t tell you about the bomb in advance.

276 thoughts on “Joking Now Illegal

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  • Rob Lewis

    @Larry: Hey Larry, if you want to make yourself useful, how should I pronounce St Louis? This isn’t a loaded question, by the way. I just don’t know and would quite like to. Or is your sign a reference to a movie or something?

    By the way, in fairness to Larry, there are two or three regular posters on here that believe 9/11 was an inside job etc etc. And there are plenty of general oddballs. But I don’t think I’ve seen any anti-semitism (criticism of Israel, on the other hand, is not hard to find, nor anti-zionism). But Larry, come on son, answer me this: how many unaligned political online communities are there where you won’t find a couple of troofers?

    I seem to remember a while back you said you were a lefty. Well, you know, why don’t you just say something about yourself? I don’t mean reveal your identity, stay anonymous by all means, but don’t you want to express yourself a bit? You must visit other sites, and I’m sure you don’t post on them like you do on here. You’d never end up being part of any online community.

    By the way, I just scanned your posts and you alleged there was holocaust denial on here. I haven’t seen any of that. If you could find some link it because I’d like to know who it was (not that I’m mod, or that this site is moderated). But because of the way you present yourself online, part of me thinks that the allegation might just be an appalling and callous slander on your part. For whatever reason.

    PS – I don’t understand the Chicago university bit either but would like to know.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Tom, you seem to think that I’m a nationalist; I’m not a nationalist. I’m guessing that you’re projecting that.

    Perhaps it was wrong of me to single out a German or Austrian (Ingo) for Jew paranoia – out of all of the Jew paranoia in the comments section of this website. Certainly Ingo cannot be blamed for the burning of Jews. I would just think that a German or Austrian grew up in a culture in which the outcome of such paranoia was generally known.

  • technicolour

    Mmm. Why can’t people believe that thermite was planted or whatever else they believe about 9/11? I don’t, but they can if they want. It doesn’t change a thing, really, does it?

    Still, some of the more hysterical reactions to criticism here are silly too. Why should someone not be able to challenge you without being accused of working for the security services? If you don’t like them, why don’t you just ignore them?

    I myself think “Israehell” is sloppy and embarrassing shorthand unless it is being used by someone who has visited Gaza, lives in Gaza, or has relatives in Gaza. Otherwise it’s insulting, reductive, facile and self-indulgent. That’s what I think. Of course if any user of the term also says ‘Burmahell’ and ‘Congohell’ and ‘Darfurhell’ and ‘Chinahell’ then they will at least have the merit of consistency.

  • Rob Lewis

    @technicolour: “Still, some of the more hysterical reactions to criticism here are silly too. Why should someone not be able to challenge you without being accused of working for the security services?”

    Amen. There is a huge amount of paranoia on this site. I’ve been at the receiving end of some of it myself.

    @Larry: Larry, you really really intrigue me. “Jew paranoia”? Fascinating. Presumably that could be used to dismiss any criticism of GIYUS at all? Hypothetically. Because what that label does is conflate criticism of GIYUS with anti-semitism. That’s what it does, isn’t it? I mean I think GIYUS subverts the demography of online communities and that’s a bad thing (I don’t think GIYUS has sent anyone here, by the way, I’m not making a paranoid accusation, simply expressing an opinion. But form it’s own admission GIYUS has 40,000+ volunteers who see it as their purpose to go around the internet carpet-bagging. I think this isn’t conducive to public debate. And we know this happens. It happened to the BBC.

    Actually, never mind my criticism of GIYUS, does my acceptance that it exists mean I have “jew paranoia”?

    Because it doesn’t, does it?

  • angrysoba

    @Rob. Maybe you’d like to check out the thread that Craig Murray put up my honour for the Holocaust denial stuff.

    It came up because I recommended that people express a bit of caution about Truther sites, particularly those that celebrate Holocaust deniers.

    I’ve just finished with a particularly persistent Ernst Zundel supporter who ended by saying that if I have a problem with Zundel I should at least denounce Israel.

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    Absolute bollocks – yes, but extremely annoying to us ‘Brits’ who have sat quietly as little teenies listening to Grand-pop telling us about the ARP post and how nanny was saved by a duvet when an exploding ‘doodlebug’ showered flying glass around her. Pock your fear-mongering up ya jacksee I say – we are British and proud of it!

  • Larry from St. Louis


    The Jew paranoia arrives when I’m accused of working for GIYUS – perhaps I have that wrong; it’s just that I’ve so far been accused of working for the CIA and the BNP and some others, so it appeared that that was an accusation that I was working for this GIYUS thing. As I said, I never heard of GIYUS before, but that 40,000 number sounds a bit rich.

    If GIYUS were attacking this blog, wouldn’t they go after all of the former threads here and drop off one or two posts on each one?

    It would seem that you simply missed that Ernst Zundel conversation. When that name gets brought up, it’s usually not a good thing.

  • technicolour

    Just to add, I’ve never seen any ‘holocaust denial’ on this site. Thank goodness, because although it is almost invariably the product of a confused mind, rather than an evil one, it is a very wearing thing to ‘prove’ to someone that the holocaust did happen. The pictures alone.

  • Rob Lewis


    Ha! There IS a massive amount of paranoia on this site. I think my background/motivation has been suspected a bit too on occasion. In fact, as technicolour observed, anybody who doesn’t believe in the 9/11 troof narrative gets accused of being a spook. It’s a shame.

    It would, for example, be really good to get some sort of pro-Israel postings on here, or at least some commenters that open and intelligently express an Israeli point of view, but they would probably get drowned out in an instant flaming. Which is a shame, because without dialogue there is no peace. Even the trolling that goes on in these threads is a little metaphorical microcosm of the fucked middle-east.

    About GIYUS, no, I don’t think GIYUS have come on here either. From what I understand GIYUS posts are pretty generic and off-the-cuff and they would stand out in this sort of thread. And it’s not like this is a major media website either. I think the 40,000 figure is from their own website.

    GIYUS is especially interesting because we might see a lot more of that sort of thing for all sorts of political causes – or it might prove to be self-defeating and short-lived.

    And finally, yeah, I did miss the Ernst Zundel thing. I’ll go an look him up. If it’s over then from the sound of things it’s probably best if it stays that way tho’.

  • technicolour

    Am just trying to imagine someone speaking in support of the Israeli government, apart from Nick Griffin. I rather wish they wouldn’t, as it would be equally wearing to have to rehash the list of humiliations, murders and terrors they have inflicted. Every time I think of Israel, on the other hand, I think of Yuri Avnery, an Irgun veteran turned Israeli peace activist, and the Shminitsim.

  • Clark


    Well, there’s a spectrum ranging from suspicion to paranoia. Not surprising, really, because things are often not what they seem, or they’re not what they are presented as, eg:

    * What the government did to Craig,

    * The way the MSM distort things,

    * Verified coverups,

    * Dishonest justifications for wars,

    etc, etc.

    Anyone have any idea what the “Hi! (random characters: random URL) postings are all about? Spambot gone loopy, perhaps? None of the URLs lead anywhere. Or is it something more sinister…

  • Clark

    Mark Golding:

    I’d heard of GIYUS / Megaphone – but what do you mean about spyware / ActiveX? Where can I find info?

  • Rob Lewis

    For what it’s worth, I don’t think there’s any evidence that Megaphone is spyware, and I don’t think it’s anything to be scared about. It’s just annoying and a waste of time.

    I don’t know what the active-x fuss is about. I did look up the WUJS though. I pity the poor student whose undergraduate years will be anything like those described and proscribed in the WUJS handbook though (

    And that student’s friends, assuming they manage to make any.

  • Courtenay Barnett

    Craig – they have to manufacture conflicts to make money…


    Is it true that there is more conflict in the world now than there was prior to World War 11? Or, for that matter during the post- World War 11 era up to the 1990s compared to the last two decades? These are the kinds of issues that should be reflected on, when you consider that Muslims are a billion and more living in many countries, with many different languages. If you think about it, “they” are not a homogenous entity, just as Christians have great diversity. Any analysis that seeks to collapse “them” into one over-simplified package, is ultimately, quite trite in analysis, and incorrect in fact.

    When the Soviet Union existed there was raison d’etre for the West to militarise and justify those war expenditure preparations on the basis of a need to fight communism. Now that there is not this state entity to identify as an external threat, other “enemies” have to be found, or invented or amplified.It is in this way that one might better understand all the recent hype about Islam as great enemy. When one considers that the official US propaganda when the then Mujahadin were fighting the proxy war in Afghanistan ( what has been popularized as “Charlie Wilson’s war) there was glowing praise from official US sources for this great world religion. Sensibly so at the time, because the Mujahadin were compatriots who were being used to defeat the Soviets. The world changes, the new invaders are US soldiers, and the propaganda has also to change ?” Islam and the Muslims then become “them” the enemy to fit the new realities.

    There are a lot of rotten and inhumane things, done in the name of God that religions have practised for centuries. Aspects of Islam have practices that a “modernist” would discard as primitive. Yet, it cannot be said that all of Islam is stuck in the dark ages. There are extreme groupings across the world, but I, for my part, have not bought into making “them” all ?” a blanket undifferentiated enemy.

    My point is that the recent past saw defined conflicts between state actors, and, as I said, with the change from the “cold war” world scenario, and collapse of the Soviet block, the people via mass propaganda are steadily being convinced that the gap left since the collapse of that external military state entity, is being filled by “Islam” as the new external enemy. Thus, the political space left by the cold war ?” is ?” clearly being filled by a lot of manufactured and amplified propaganda ?” as policy makers seek to recycle the cold war thesis with the West being the locus, and the wars are to be justified and continued by reference to the new “enemies” and the military-industrial complex thus can justify (or attempt to) the wars and keep war production going.

    If you think through the recent global history, you will begin to understand some of the sources of inventions of causus belli ( the Bay of Tongkin fabrication to start the Vietnam war ?”or- fabricated evidence on WMDs in Iraq, being relatively recent examples) and the expansion of wars thus continue with actual fighting and a base of justification ( if the people are duped into accepting the manufactured reasons).

    Cultures can be reconciled, but the minds of people ( be these fundamentalist Christians or fundamentalist Muslims or others) have to have an appreciation of world processes and the base of the conflicts. The thinkers and planners at the Pentagon and the defence industry interests ?” would readily appreciate what I have here written about. I doubt that they would seriously attempt to disagree with me, for they understand the political processes at work. Why should they disagree ?” they are, after all, the ones doing it.

    Now, you decide ?” war or peace?

    CB (

  • Rob Lewis

    Incidentally, that handbook does make for interesting reading. For reference, the link above is to a document titled Hasbara Handbook: Promoting Israel on Campus.

    Check out the chapter on point scoring.

  • Clark

    “The chances of there being a bomb on an aircraft are small, but the chances of there being TWO bombs are infinitesimal, so to be really safe, you should always take your own bomb, just to be sure…”

  • Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    Nice piece Courtenay – yes as Bush Snr said, “We created a monster” and now of course another ‘monster’ has been created to fight the original one. Trouble is the fabric of the current ‘monster’ is formed from lies, deceit, pre-emption, death (Kelly et al) and genocide.

    Sorry for being mischievous – it was in the spirit of the thread!

  • Paul Johnston

    Loved the bit about asking the guy next to the drunk to put plastic handcuffs on him!!!

    Mr Dobson said he was “surprised” at being asked by the cabin crew to restrain the man.

    “I agreed because I was the one sitting in the aisle seat and he was trapped in next to me.

    “They gave me plastic cuffs, which I used. He struggled initially but eventually he calmed down and the police led him away.”

    Never sure why they let drunks on planes or allow them to get that drunk.

    They have never let me take a couple of six packs and a bottle on vodka on a plane 🙂

  • dreoilin

    Laughing at Clark at 8:05 PM. Maybe it’s easy for me – I haven’t flown anywhere since 1999. Long story. But my sons do, and I know they’re as safe on a plane as they are driving to Galway. Safer in fact.

  • ingo

    Larry, I have been born well after the culmination of the great unpleasantness and hence I am prejudiced against any nationalistic extremes, its was ‘denazified’ into me by the allies, some who still occupy Germany today and should take their hat and leave.

    I am well versed with the numerous wars fought by the latest aborition of empire builders and those who are feeding us fear are of the same make up.

    many of todays crooks have been taught by ex nazis, they have swallowed the nationalistic’s by the spoonfull.

    I am ooposed to zionists who act like fascists, Larry, not misguided and used jews. BTW. Nick Griffin loves zionists, something of a 180 degree evolution for the BNP, he fits well into the Chicago school of thought. Its a weird world our kids grow up in, were once totally unthought of alliances between fundamentalist right wing christians are in cohouts with fascist zionists.

    The attrocities in MyLai, Cambodia, Laos, Nicaragua, Honduras, etc.were no different to any of the nazi war crimes, so you have no leg to stand on

  • bKJpMoLi

    Hi! CFviov

    [confirm post – message HQ – priority RAMPANT –

    ; Echelon – “Tom Welsh”, “lwtc247”, “glenn” – relay 821 – AJ I.D.: a4kal3kj]

  • tony_opmoc

    I am both ill and shocked.

    Of course I knew about the infiltration, but this is like an expose from within.

    Despite my interest in Music, I had never heard of Gilad Atzmon.

    I still haven’t listened to his music, but have spent several hours reading what he writes

    What he writes is completely shocking.

    I still find it hard to believe though.

    How the hell did the American and British Political System allow itself to be so infiltrated and controlled?

    The EVIL of Israel from an Israeli


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