No Muslim, So No Terrorism updated 102

A tragedy in Austin, Texas where a man flew a light aeroplane into an office building. Reports – which may or may not be confirmed – indicate that the man set fire to his home first, and left a suicide note. The building included Federal government offices.

At least the apparent suicide is dead. But the White House’s immediate reaction that

“the crash did not appear to be an act of terrorism”

bears a little bit more thought. If Joseph Andrew Stack, a deranged man with a grudge against the IRS, had been a deranged Muslim, would this apparent suicide attack have been “Not terrorism”?


I do not vouch for the authenticity of this, but this is alleged to be from his “suicide note”.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

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102 thoughts on “No Muslim, So No Terrorism updated

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  • Clark

    I’m not talking about the USA specifically, more corporatism and its hold on government in general. And yes, people are a mixed bunch. The worse it gets, the more people go over the edge like Stacks; it’s just human diversity in action, blaming him makes no difference whatsoever.

  • Clark

    And I’m not laying any bets on when a big bang might occur; pressure is great, containment is strong, representation is poor, and I think stability is becoming increasingly strained.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Clark, are you talking about the U.S. specifically or are you not talking about the U.S. specifically?

    big bang / rock slide / people going over the edge – you’re really going to have to come up with better evidence than 1 out of 305 million.

    Jesus Christ.

    1 part per 305 million.

    Even your homepaths would love at that.

  • angrysoba

    “I hear all this talk about Tea Baggers they are not tax protestors they are mostly hard working people with families and kids just wanting the government back to where it should be working for the people who elected them doing what they should do because the people want it not doing what they want and ignoring the same people which is what this administration continues to do daily because they know what is best for us even if we dont know what the hell is wrong with everyone that writes negative rants about these smae Tea party people yet love how the government is operating well we sure are on a path of destruction when honest hard working americans are looked down on as being crazy rednecks and stupid radicals heaven help AMERICA…”

  • angrysoba

    “because almost everyone around him most likely realized he was crazy , they walked right past him …

    and so he did this …… the saddest most desperate act to get attention … he wasn’t trying to get attention for his cause , but for himself …

    take myself for example … i don’t want ANYONE to know who i am .. i want to be judged purely by the veracity of my ideas , nothing more …. this guy here , we know his name , we know he set his house on fire , we know he had family problems , we know he had money problems etc etc …. ME ME ME ME ME ME ME HERE I AM ME ME ME!!!

    another ballon boy , only this time deadly .”

    And the first comment:

    “lots of people on the interent are mentally ill”

  • KingofWelshNoir


    ‘these silly gooses actually make me miss the relativists.’

    I think it should be silly geese. As in ‘I hate those geeses to pieces’.

  • KingofWelshNoir

    “Perhaps more people need to fly into tax offices around the world.”

    Larry : What a horribly infantile yet cruel statement.

    Angrysoba : This is so stupid!

    Oh come on guys, he was joking! You know, that explosion of fricative ‘hur hur’ sounds that comes from the larynx and indicates mirth. Try it, it’s fun.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “he was joking!”

    Yeah, perhaps I spend too much time here being dead serious, and perhaps he was joking and I missed it.

    This issue comes up all the time when one is being sarcastic, and I’m usually on the other end of it. It seems to work if one places /s/ at the end of an entry.

  • Leo

    Larry wrote:

    “out of a population of 305 million, once in a while someone will do something selfish and destructive and murderous.”

    I agree. Now, given the world’s population that kind of thing is even more likely.

    So is it worth going to war — including against one country which had nothing to do with it — when a handful of people commit selfish, destructive and murderous acts?

    Apparently it is, but only when those in power already wanted to go to war for other reasons.

    That’s the point. These acts are used as an excuse, or completely ignored, according to ulterior motives.

    If the guy flying this plane had been a muslim, rather than someone with a more local grudge, you can bet he would be all over the news labelled as a terrorist and used as an excuse to pour even more fuel on the fire of our own terrorism abroad.

    Now, feel free to build yet more strawmen out of this, brand me a 9/11 conspiracy nutter or something (even though I’ve said nothing of the sort), and try to distract people from the simple and obvious point of both what I’ve just said and what Craig said in his root post.

    You must be running out of straw by now!?

  • writerman

    I wonder, are we going to hear why, and what motivated, Joe Stack into crashing his plane into the IRS building, or are we, instead, going to hear that he did it because he hated democracy and our way of life, and that he relished the thought of killing innocent civilians, like Muslim terrorists are supposed to?

    And futhermore, has the suicide bomber come to the United States, and is he, not an alien Muslim, but instead a product of the culture of the homeland?

  • Jives

    @Larry from St Louis.

    “Has the building collapsed yet?

    Were there any Jews nearby?”

    What an infantile cruel statement.

  • amk

    The first of those two Neiwert pieces linked above includes the text of the suicide manifesto posted by Stack on the web.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    The USA perhaps should consider attacking itself, in its unending ‘War on Terror’. Most of the ‘terror’ in the world emanates from there. Columbine et al are all emblematic of this basic truism.

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  • Larry from St. Louis

    Mark, why give money to those creeps? What will they do with it? When other websites beg for money, they always spend a bit more time justifying their need for cash.

    Why would anyone give money to an organization that believes that the unsubstantiated and silly claims of 911 troof justify mustering a firing squad?

  • marcus

    For the peeps that had a dig at my little post:

    Have a sense of humour. I have recently become insolvent and am feeling a tad bitter.

    I feel hiding behind words and ‘intellect’ can be stupid too. The merry-go-round we call politics is proof of this. The good fellows hiding behing their posts is proof of this. Whenever I attempt to write a sensible post on here it doesn’t get commented on because, I imagine I’m not very clever at wording things. So am therefore ignored. Given something to design- like a computer network or even a picture and I’m sure I could beat the pants of most of you on here. I give up.

    The next tax man, debt collector, bank chief, baliff or thieving MP that gets killed or flown into will get a laugh from me. I may even start notching my wall.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Linked below is a good preliminary dissection of the odd thoughts in Joe Stack’s head. This is for all you silly gooses who thought his gripes were justified, or that America is so screwed up that this sort of thing happens all the time or will happen all the time in the future.

    Written by an acquaintance of mine, actually.

  • angrysoba

    “The next tax man, debt collector, bank chief, baliff or thieving MP that gets killed or flown into will get a laugh from me. I may even start notching my wall.”

    Did that comment warrant a place in one thread?

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