Anti-Israel Protests Not Anti-Semitic 25


Happily, a Scottish court has made a very sensible ruling that anti-Israel protests are not anti-semitic and thus do not constitute “racially aggravated behaviour”:

Sheriff James Scott ruled that “the comments were clearly directed at the State of Israel, the Israeli Army, and Israeli Army musicians”, and not targeted at “citizens of Israel” per se. “The procurator fiscal’s attempts to squeeze malice and ill will out of the agreed facts were rather strained”, he said

The Sheriff expressed concern that to continue with the prosecution would have implications for freedom of expression generally: “if persons on a public march designed to protest against and publicise alleged crimes committed by a state and its army are afraid to name that state for fear of being charged with racially aggravated behaviour, it would render worthless their Article 10(1) rights. Presumably their placards would have to read, ‘Genocide in an unspecified state in the Middle East’; ‘Boycott an unspecified state in the Middle East’ etc.

“Having concluded that continuation of the present prosecution is not necessary or proportionate, and therefore incompetent, it seems to me that the complaint must be dismissed.”

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/world/2010/04/448790.html

It seems to me the Sherrif’s withering logic is indisputable. This is a prosecution that should never have been brought; it seems to me quite extraordinary that the Procurator-Fiscal has indicated that the Crown will appeal against the Sherriff’s decision. If anybody is acting with malice, it is the Procurator-Fiscal.


25 thoughts on “Anti-Israel Protests Not Anti-Semitic

  • MJ

    “Presumably their placards would have to read, ‘Genocide in an unspecified state in the Middle East’; ‘Boycott an unspecified state in the Middle East’ etc.”

    Was that part of Sheriff James Scott’s own ruling or is that you extrapolating Craig? Your punctuation goes a bit awry. Never mind; I just wish the good sheriff would participate on this site now and again. There are one or two heads here I’d like to see him knocking together with similarly withering logic.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    The criminalization of free speech – especially political speech – is always quite silly.

    Feel free to come to the States where you can say such things without fear of being molested by the Accoutrement-Thimble or whatever Scottish office in charge of denying free speech.

  • Mr M

    I would have thought the people defending Zionist supremacist policies were being vindictive racially prejudiced people, but such is the world its they who has to shout foul first.

    I wonder whether charges of wasting police time and others could be brought against them?

  • Arsalan

    I remember this stuff when I was at University.

    If there was every a talk about Israel the Islamic society got banned.

    Sometimes the talks weren’t even about Israel, but all that was needed for the Islamic society to be banned was for someone to state that it was anti-Semitic.

    One of my friends was actually expelled from university for having a debate with a visiting atheists about proof of God.

    A debate was arranged, approved and publicised. At the day, the University decided to ban it because someone said it would be anti-Semitic.

    The atheist and the audience were already there, so he decided to go ahead with the debate. The next day he was expelled.

    He did that in again after the appeal. but the appeal took about 6 months!

    It is always dangerous to attack Israel. These guys were found innocent, many others aren’t.

    And some have gone to prison for very long times for saying things Israel doesn’t like.

    These accused were white with names like

    Michael Napier, Sofia Macleod, Vanesa Fuertes, Kevin Connor, and Neil Forbes.

    If they had brown skin or names like Mohummed, Abdullah, Ahmed, Nadira and Arsalan they would not have been found innocent even if their surnames were names were Murray or Goldberg.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “If there was every a talk about Israel the Islamic society got banned.”

    Arsalan, I very much doubt that that happened.

    You sound like an American conservative Republican on Fox TV, making up some story about a university student failing a political science class because he didn’t tow the liberal line. There are any number of stories like this, and they all turn out to be completely false.

  • mike cobley

    “Accoutrement-Thimble” – oooh, that Larry is a one! Help, pass the needle and thread, ma sides have just split!

    Well, Lar, take some time out to consult Wikipedia and you’ll see that the Procurator-Fiscal is the Scottish law equivalent of a public prosecutor. But of course, you probably knew that and just wanted to indulge your ingrained need to troll the post.

    As for the Crown indicating that it will appeal against the PF’s decision, well duh, I’m not surprised. No doubt the CPS has received representations from Labour Friends of Israel ensuring that the onward March Of Freedom ™ proceeds without delay.

  • arsalan

    Larry I could careless what you think.

    tony_opmoc

    I like Gilad Atzmon, he is sort of like Israel Shamir if you had some style.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Arsalan, you silly goose – there are ways to check and see if people are sterilized. Neighborhood rumors never serve as very good evidence. And how would their super-secret sterilization device only target Ethiopians?

  • arsalan

    Oh Larry let me take a guess?

    Does it have something to do with 60% of the people given the drug being Ethiopeans, while they only make up 1% of the population?

    Is that it?

    Or is it the fact that unlike white Jews they can be declared none Jews at anytime and deported back to Ethiopia?

    Or is it the fact that anyone who reports it outside of Israel will be declared an Antisemite if goy or a selfhater if Jewish?

    Which is it?

    One of the above or something else?

    The people speaking here are from Official Israeli Jewish organisations.

    Just as the first people who raised the issue of Palestinians being shot for kidneys were elected members of the Israeli knesset decades ago.

    But you Zionists are set on auto deny, you even deny your own words on the same sentence!

  • Steelback

    That dingbat shill from Missouri still not been defenestrated? Larry’s either a graduate of the Israeli special school or the US retard system,or both!

    Several visitors to this site have cited evidence that Israel has been a elite-driven experiment in human degradation from day one.

    Medical experiments included the irradiation tests conducted on Moroccan Sephardi children by the Department of Social Medicine in the early 1950s.This government department had an ongoing eugenics programme under Dr Chaim Sheba sponsored by Azkenazi supremacists in the government like Nahum Goldman Levi Eshkol.

    No less than Shimon Peres later cut a deal with the US government to supply them with a number of Yemeni children for nuclear tests being conducted by the CIA and US Defense Dept.

    Where these Yemeni children subsequently ended up is an open question but some speculate they were programmed to become Israel’s enemies in the future-that’s like now!

    Scarey! Maybe that’s where they found Ahmadinejad-in a cage transport marked “Courtesy of S.Peres”! In return Peres was given access US nuclear secrets.

    Precisely how and why the criminal masonic state came to be designed along the lines of a Nazi laboratory experiment may have its origins in Operation Paperclip whereby former Nazi assets became CIA ones.

    Nazi general Reinhard Gehlen was one such.At the same time as he was helping develop the OSS US intelligence agency into the CIA he was cultivating W.German BND intelligence post-war contacts with Egypt,Syria and Iraq.

    By the late 1950s the US was encouraging Gehlen to establish German intelligence co-operation with Germany.Once diplomatic relations between the two countries were re-established Israeli/German intelligence collaboration intensified.

    In his memoirs Gehlen cited helping the Israeli state to survive in the post-war period had been a German political duty.

    In 1968 Gehlen became a Knight of Malta.

    For what?

    Services to freemasonry of course.

    Anyway anything said re-Israel is antisemite conspiracy theory and anyone protesting against it needs locking up in a very cold Scottish prison.

    Dingbats!

  • Arsalan

    The Ringworm Children: Zionist genocidal experiments on Jews

    Jill Mann

    Redacted News

    Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:51 EST

    In a series of articles, Israeli writer Barry Chamish reviews Israeli television’s 2004 expose of the deliberate mass radiation poisoning of 100,000 young Israeli immigrants from North African and Middle Eastern countries (Sephardim) with a screening of the award winning 2003 documentary film, The Ringworm Children.

    The story goes like this: With vast evidence from Nazi experiments in the concentration camps and the atomic bombing of Japan, the scientific community was well aware by 1951 of the short and long-term dangers of radiation, especially on children. The American government had banned forced radiation testing based on eugenics on humans prisoners, the mentally feeble, etc., but wanted human lab rats for its nuclear and other programs.

    In 1951, the director general of the Israeli Health Ministry, Dr. Chaim Sheba, flew to America and agreed, on behalf of the Israeli government, to supply the humans in exchange for money and nuclear secrets. Dr. Sheba returned to Israel with 7 x-ray machines, supplied to him by the American army.

    The x-ray machines were to be used in a mass atomic experiment with an entire generation of Sephardi youths to be used as guinea pigs. Dr. Sheba demanded that all North African children be sent to health centers to receive radiation therapy as a preemptive treatment for ringworm, normally treated with vinegar. Every Sephardi child was to be given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays through the head. For doing so, the American government paid the Israeli government 300,000 Israeli liras a year (billions in today’s dollars).

    To fool the parents of the victims, the children were taken away on “school trips” and their parents were later told the x-rays were a treatment for the scourge of scalpal ringworm. 6,000 of the children died shortly after their doses were given. Many of the rest developed epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer’s disease, sterility, horrifying scarred bald spots, severe scarring on the body, loss of teeth and hair, chronic headaches, psychosis, and cancers at more than double the rate of the general population.

    Many people have testified that the radiation campaign caused the children serious emotional harm. Without any explanation, they were brought to clinics where the hair on their heads was shaven, the hair that remained was pulled out with hot wax, and the roots were eliminated with x-rays.

    The majority of the victims were Moroccan because they were the most numerous of the Sephardi immigrants. The generation that was poisoned in Israel became the country’s perpetual poor and criminal class, while the Moroccan Jews who fled to France became prosperous and highly educated. The common explanation was that France got the rich, thus smart ones. The real explanation is that every French Moroccan Jewish child didn’t have the brain cells fried with x-rays.

    David Deri, makes the point that only Sephardi children received the x-rays. “I was in class and the men came to take us on a tour. They asked our names. The Ashkenazi children [descendants of European Jews] were told to return to their seats. The dark children were put on the bus.” A Moroccan woman: “It was a Holocaust, a Sephardi Holocaust. And what I want to know is why no one stood up to stop it.”

    The film presents a historian who declares that the ringworm operation was a eugenics program aimed at weeding out what Ashkenazi leaders perceived to be the “weak strains of society”. Running Rings Around the Victims, by Aryeh Dayan, says that the ringworm radiation campaign lasted until 1960.

    Fifty years after the ringworm radiation, victims are still fighting for compensation from the state for their illnesses. The claims process is prohibitive, riddled with tricky and impossible procedures, and the sparsely granted awards are paltry.

    Victims have been stonewalled in their efforts even to get information. David Deri, relates the frustration he encountered when trying to fi nd his childhood medical records. “All I wanted to know was what they did to me. I wanted to know who authorized it. I wanted to trace the chain of command. But the Health Ministry told me my records were missing.” Boaz Lev, the Health Ministry’s spokesman chimes in, “Almost all the records were burned in a fire.”

    Chamish contends that the Israeli leaders were aware of, responsible for, and benefited from the program. It is unlikely that a program involving the equivalent of billions of dollars of American government funds for cash-strapped Israel could be unknown to the Israeli leaders.

    A hospital was named after Eliezer Kaplan, who handled the profits of the operation. A whole medical complex was named after Chaim Sheba, who ran Ringworm Incorporated.

    Chamish says it is a miracle that Ringworm Children was broadcast at all, but it was aired at the same time as the highest-rated show of the year, the final of Israel’s, A Star Is Born. The next day, while there was not a word about Ringworm Children in any paper, the newly-born star’s photo took up half the front pages.

  • arsalan

    Jews need to be saved from Israel just as much a Palestinians.

    So all of Palestine needs to be liberated from the Zionists, not just post 67.

  • Craig

    Arsalan –

    Possibly – but just because something is on televison does not make it true.

    I am getting fed up with the unreasoning abuse of Larry from St Louis, who is as entitled to make his points known as anyone else.

  • anno

    Larry from St Loius is on auto-deny as Arsalan says. Maybe the genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan is a holocaust created by extremist fanatic Islamists to obtain a Khilafah homeland same as Israel. When you hit six million dead, you get international state recognition, access to Wahabi billions and immunity from obeying UN resolutions. Osama bin Laden is a US spook. Plenty of internet sites put forward these theories, but we ignore them the same as we ignore the auto-deny garbage from Larry. Larry is just boring. Surely we must have hit six million by now. It’s not cricket. I want my turn to bowl for a change.

  • anno

    i.e. The reason why Larry gets abuse is because the West has handed power to the makers of usury profits. 1 in 4 pounds to the UK treasury is from tax on UK banking net profits. A small house costing £100k yields £230k net profit to the usury lenders. The managers of the banks are Zionists. No usury profit would mean no attacks on Muslim lands. We could do something more creative like make CD players in them like we do everywhere else.

    Craig can’t call hours and hours of closely reasoned evidence, unreasoned abuse. It is entirely Larry’s fault that there is abuse on this blog, because he spends his whole time picking away at the truth and insulting the speakers of truth. Liberalism can be used to permit toxic opinions to be expressed, in order to divert people’s attention from the deal being discussed. Do we have a concensus against M.P.s who voted for illegal invasions, or not? Do we have a concencus on the need to be governed by representatives instead of loobyists, or not? Do we have a consensus on the inequalities which are created in society by favouring the leeches of banking usury over the average working bloke/blokette, or not?

    Larry serves as a distraction from heart-felt analysis of our immediate political crisis. Is this something that Craig approves of , or not? If yes, that would suggest to me that the strategy of the Liberal Party is the good old, pull the wool over the eyes of the electorate, same old same old British contempt of the British public. Craig’s free to deploy this strategy if he likes and I’m glad to be grounded in Islamic truth, so I don’t get taken in by Larry’s puff.

  • dreoilin

    “I am getting fed up with the unreasoning abuse of Larry from St Louis, who is as entitled to make his points known as anyone else.”

    –Craig

    What points?

    Craig, the ratio of abuse to “points” from Larry is about 15:1. If you haven’t seen that, then you’re not reading the comments. But you’ve already said you don’t read them all anyway. The fact that you comment on “unreasoning abuse of Larry” and don’t mention the abuse he dishes out is rather surprising, to put it mildly.

  • arsalan

    Craig the reason why Larry gets abused is because he is someone who abuses.

    He abuses everyone here(except for angry and the new Zionist) not just mean people like me who abuse back. He abuses nice people who never abuse too.

    If he is crying victim he is behaving just like Israel. A nation that kills at every oppertunity, but cries victim when children throw stones to try and defend themselves against tanks and heavily armed soldiers.

    Craig do you need a reminder of some of his racist comments and insults?

    If so, just go back to some of the earlier threads.

  • Neil Craig

    Perhaps the fact that if the Israelis were 1000th as supportive of genocide as our own government they would long ago have disposed of the populations of Gaza & the west bank with the thoroughness that we disposed of those Krajina & Kosovo in the Nazi cause.

    Anybody who is not a racist, indeed an out & out genocidal Nazi must accpet this is true & that there are no circumstances in which it is possible for anybody who is not a racist, indeed a wholly corrupt Nazi, to critise them on these grounds.

    No offence.

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