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43 thoughts on “The 4.45pm Link

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  • amk

    I recently passed a group of young men chanting “EDL! EDL!”. The then sang songs praising Hitler, mocking Jews and boasting about their foreskins.

    By the way, you suck at timekeeping 😉

  • Michael Petek

    Racist it isn’t because anyone of any race can become a Jew and therefore an Israeli national.

    The common factor is antipathy to Islam or Islamist extremism.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “Whatever its initial aspirations, the State of Israel has become a vicious racist entity. As you can see by its friends.”

    Wow. That’s enough of a number for you to “prove” some linkage between English fascists and the State of Israel?

    I suppose you haven’t met many Israelis in your life Craig Murray. Perhaps your racist hatred has prevented you from forming any real bonds.

    To remind you – and to state the obvious – 90% of your commenters at this blog are 911 truth nuts. And you whine and whine and whine about being grouped in with them.

    Right after or right before your recent public speech linked on this page, a rapper named Lowkey was also invited to speak. He’s also, as one would imagine, a 911 nut.

  • Randal

    Since zionism is basically just jewish nationalism, it’s hardly surprising it has an appeal to other nationalists.

    Nationalism, of course, takes on a particularly nasty tinge when it is linked with settler colonialism, as it is in the case of Israel.

    Beyond the fact that fellow nationalists share some inherent commonality of world-view, there is the shared hatred of islam and muslims to explain the particular alliance of English and jewish nationalists.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Uber-Zionists on overtime. Not a pretty sight. They will defend Israel’s image in the media to the hilt, but the hilt is bust, guys. No-one believes their lies any more. May as well go away and retire to the Negev.

  • JamesVI

    Michael Petek,

    Can you explain then why Ethiopian Jews were submitted to genetic testing to ascertain whether they should be given the right to live in Israel, if Judaism is not racial?

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “Can you explain then why Ethiopian Jews were submitted to genetic testing to ascertain whether they should be given the right to live in Israel…”


  • Craig

    I have to say, you seem to be embarking on a self-defeating argument. How can a religion lay claim to a national homeland?

  • JamesVI


    ‘The haplotypes of all but Ethiopian Jews shared a similar pattern,’ says Ostrer, a member of the study team led by Hammer and Batsheva Bonne-Tamir of Tel-Aviv University.”


    Note this is all Israeli research. Israel world does not share your idea jews are not a race.

    I am on balance a supporter of israel, by the way and support the blockade. I just don’t like nonsense.

  • PJ

    It’s really hard being a right wing racist nationalist, these days. It’s hard deciding whom one hates the most.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Genetic testing is a fascinating avenue for anthropologists.

    Where’s the evidence that genetic testing was a condition precedent for the right of return? What would be the standard that they’re employing?

  • Alfred

    ” the State of Israel has become a vicious racist entity. As you can see by its friends.”

    And those friends include the United States of America where, as noted with reference to your earlier post today, Vice President Biden has given unconditional support for Israel’s convoy murders and has declared Israel to be at war with Gaza.


    It therefore seems illogical to single out Israel for particular condemnation.

  • ingo

    Wonder what will happen if it turns out that Palestinians and Jews have common genetic links and are related, what an attractive thought, brothers killing each other, best not tell anybody if it is the case.

    Living together peacefully for over a thousand years makes genetic links very likely and almost inevitable, so all this BS about race and differences are just that, BS.

    All this Hasbara interest is akin to Goebbels effort, dare I say modern media manipulations and spin today have their roots in the third Reichs media machine.

    I say to all the apologists for this criminal cowardly and naive action, exchange the nationalities and see whether international law still makes no difference, exchange Turkish people for French/American activists and then re-evaluate and think what would have happened.

    I think there should be a flotilla/day just to make sure the IDF gets remi9nded that the rest of the world does not give a fig about one sided blockades, we should be taking the berlin airlift as an example and start flying the stuff in with everything we’ve got.

    What a stupid idea to use the football world cup as a time to attack more innocent people.

    Another point, what does the Israeli Government think? Heaping all this backlash and hatred on to their diaspora, or was this planned just as the periodic reassurance of guilt for the past Hollocaust.

    Keeping one’s people in fear of the world is how Israel manipulates its civilians, a regular war, a few missiles, missing or not, as long as one has the world media eating out of one’s hand its easy to spread fear.

    Sadly the game is over, proximity talks will have to follow and Gaza’s blockade will have to stop.

    The attrocities committed and its perpetrators, should, as international law demands, be tried in Turkey.

    I am sure that Israeli tourist like holidaying in Turkey and I am sure that businesses world wide will want to carry on making money from us Goija, so stop shilling us here, tell your Government to start acting like any other country if it wants to earn respect, not like a rogue fascist regime.

  • Mac

    @amk, the book by Prof. Shlomo Sand, is called Matai ve’ech humtza ha’am hayehudi? (When and How Were the Jewish People Invented?; He researches lead him to conclude that the story of the Jews as a wandering and self-isolating nation of exiles from antiquity is nothing but “national mythology”, and that the present-day Palestinians are far more likely the descendants of the ancient Semitic people in Judea/ Canaan than the current predominantly Khazarian-origin Ashkenazi populace to which he & a large proportion of modern Israelis belong to. He argues that the Judaized Khazars constituted the main origins of the Jewish communities in Eastern Europe, speaking Yiddish, a language which is etymologically unrelated either to ancient Hebrew, or even to the language spoken by the very old Jewish community that existed in Germany during even before the Middle Ages. Further various DNA studies, such the extensive one by Ellen Levy-Coffman’s in 2005, (“A mosaic of people: the Jewish story and a reassessment of the DNA evidence”), support Sand’s book’s claims, as it concluded; “Jewish ancestry reflects a mosaic of genetic sources. While earlier studies focused on the Middle Eastern component of Jewish DNA, new research has revealed that both Europeans and Central Asians also made significant contributions to Jewish ancestry. Moreover, while the DNA studies have confirmed the close genetic interrelatedness of many Jewish communities, they have also confirmed what many suspected all along: Jews do not constitute a single group distinct from all others. Rather, modern Jews exhibit a diversity of genetic profiles, some reflective of their Semitic/Mediterranean ancestry, but others suggesting an origin in European and Central Asian groups. The blending of European, Semitic, Central Asian and Mediterranean heritage over the centuries has led to today’s Jewish populations.”

  • Alfred

    “Jews do not constitute a single group distinct from all others. Rather, modern Jews exhibit a diversity of genetic profiles, some reflective of their Semitic/Mediterranean ancestry, but others suggesting an origin in European and Central Asian groups.”

    So Jews, one of the more racially obsessed human groups, are actually not a race at all, but a mongrel anthropological phenomenon: like the Indian Thugs, who as a result of their practice of stealing pretty children, must have been genetically heterogeneous, although they had a tight cultural homogeneity.

    Yet those Jews of Western European and elsewhere with the distinctive nose, are surely of at least part Semitic extraction.

    Perhaps if those without a proper Jewish nose abandoned the “tribe,” we would hear little more about Zionism, which has been a huge disaster for Europe’s Jews.

    Incidentally, Yahweh was a Canaanite god of mercy. He was adopted by those of expelled from their tribe for murder or other crimes. So even at the outset, the Jews were a relatively heterogeneous lot, even if all were Semites.

  • Arsalan

    Your poetic analogies go right through my engineers brain. I really can’t understand what you are on about?

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Well, I’m wondering whether you are ‘Larry’s Mom’. Oh, I see that the comment by ‘Larry’s Mom’ has vanished. That’s why mine doesn’t make sense any more! Or was it on another thread? Oh well.

  • alan campbell

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