Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22281


The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?


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  • dopey

    What’s the link again to that site so I can have a picture against my name? ….not that I’m putting one up of a dwarf!

  • Ferret

    Boringly normal Dave tries to make everything sound so normal and boring, and is actually quite good at it!

    The thing is, though, that 55 Princes Gate is almost certainly not just a mailbox.

    Gabriel Consultants (Brett Martin’s accountants) advertise their location as 55 Princes Gate on their website at http://www.gabrielconsultants.co.uk/About-Us.html

    Now, *normal* accounting firms list their real trading address… so if this isn’t the real trading address for Gabriel Consultants then it becomes, in fact, even *more* suspicious… not less.

    The real question is why Brett Martin’s firm uses an accountancy firm which seems to specialise in companies run by ex-SAS members…

    Maybe there’s a clue here:

    Our company is based on the belief that our customers’ needs are of the utmost importance. Our entire team is committed to meeting those needs. As a result, a high percentage of our business is from repeat customers and referrals.

    So… does Brett Martin know people in the SAS? Or in private military contracts? And if so, how? The SAS recruit from the RAF Regiment, the special forces of the RAF, so it would make sense if he was also ex-SAS or ex-RAF Regiment, as originally rumoured…

  • Ferret

    @Dopey

    gravatar.com

    Be aware that they will pass on your IP and email address to US gvmt authorities if requested, no questions asked…

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    The really important thing to realize about the coverups, and Craig Murray’s problems is that he started a thread about the French conspiracy assassination, being fairly assured by his intelligence sources that the Brits had no interest in Saad al-Hilli, and nothing to do with his killing, his wife, mother-in-law, and French scientist Sylvain Mollier, just wondering if he was not the target of the attacks.

    In sum, he was interested, either honestly or dishonestly, in helping see that it was pinned on others, most likely the Israelis and French.

    Things went fine on Murray’s thread until American lapsed-Jew and pottery maker, William Hershkovitz, went on the rampage in Eilat, Israel, after his boss, Arab-Israeli Armando al-Abed, started questioning him about his joining the Jewish Agency for Israel’s program, Iranim, and wondering if he had had something to do with the shooting outside Annecy.

    The dispute in the kitchen of the Leonardo Club soon became a real problem, especially since Hershkovitz was still hoping to become a permanent agents of the Mossad, and complaining about dreams where he killed everybody – what normal people would consider nightmares, and wonder what he had been doing.

    The managers of Iranim tried to still the dispute by transferring him to another hotel in the program, but Hershkovitz would not agree, resulting in his killing al-Abed on Friday morning after he wrestled away a pistol from a security guard.

    To reduce the risk of blowback, Israeli counterterrorists were instructed to kill Hershkovitz who was then holed up in the kitchen, and could have been smoked out by patient authorities. The reason why it was not done was because an alive Hershkovitz threatened to expose it all if charged with al-Abed’s murder.

    The only risk now was that someone would make the connection between what happened at Eilat, and in France outside Annecy – what I did on Murray’s thread, and, of course, it threw all the plotters of the six murders into a panic. Murray’s service provider, a Dutch one which was legally induced to prevent any disclosures at Israel’s expense, shut down his site.

    Then the securocrats, apparently the American ones who had provided Hershkovitz for the kidon, realized that shutting down Murray’s site would provide proof that he had been involved in the conspiracy, so an American provider in San Francisco took up the site, and Murray was obliged to lie about the hiatus, claiming that it was the result of Columbus Day being celebrated on Monday in California, and that there was no hint of any conspiracy here.

    Of course, posters on his site did everything that could help out, ones on the apology thread attacking others in any kind of way as he had suggested, and the continuing thread about the killings in France being directed more and more into a dead end with my claims about the connections between the two multiple murders being lost in the spam.

  • dave brooker

    “And guess what else… try google maps for 55 Princes Gate, London, SW7 2PN. Takes you to the Polish Club on Princes Gardens (opposite Imperial College, round the corner from Princes Gate)!”

    Nobody’s paying any business rates there either:

    “http://www.2010.voa.gov.uk/rli/en/basic/find/select”

  • Ferret

    BTW Ricky, I was going to say, expect a sh1tstorm now that you’ve made that announcement… 😀

  • Ferret

    Oh, and re the google maps location for 55 Princes Gate, I think it actually might be correct, only the way the addresses work around there is completely cock-eyed. Some list their addresses in Princes Gate as eg 55 Princes Gate, while others list them as 55 Exhibition Road. Go figure.

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  • bluebird

    Just a question:

    Do we have any links to approve that martin is connected to silver fern ltd?

    I am asking because there are dozens of silver fern companies in the uk plus outside. Simply because Silver Fern is a nickname for all New Zealanders.

  • Ferret

    @Bluebird

    Yes, just look up Silver Fern (Sussex) Ltd on any of the company search engines, Brett Martin and his wife are the two directors. And the Silver Fern website (hidden) tied up his company to the house in France. That’s hard evidence and is well documented here.

  • dave brooker

    “Oh, and re the google maps location for 55 Princes Gate, I think it actually might be correct, only the way the addresses work around there is completely cock-eyed. Some list their addresses in Princes Gate as eg 55 Princes Gate, while others list them as 55 Exhibition Road. Go figure.”

    Is SW7 2PN even a real postcode?

    Is the real postcode SW7 2QJ?

  • dave brooker

    The real postcode is SW7 2PG, and with that you can see what business rates are paid on the various parts of the building.

    Why lie about the postcode?

  • dave brooker

    And if you thought that a lot of businesses are registered at SW7 2PN, checkout how many reside at SW7 2PG…

  • bluebird

    Ferret.

    Thanks for the answer.

    Here is my answer regarding princes gate.

    Princes gate isnt a street but a name for an acre that was opposite to hyde park. In the midst of the 19th century there was an exhibition and prices for tge area went up and thereafter they built a new part of tge city. For instance princes gate 26 is in kensington road while princes gate 55 is in exhibition road. Full history:

    http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=45941

    Perhaps you could compare that with new york if you would have a second address like Brooklyn # 55 or Brooklyn # 21 or Harlem # 122 or East Side # 55 or Central Park # 55 (the latter would be the best example as Central Park # 55 could be in different streets around central park.

  • Felix

    @bluebird
    you can see his signature on the online 2011 company documents.Where have you been?
    @Ferret
    The Polish Hearth Club is another strange beast. Registered at SAS central.
    https://www.duedil.com/company/00507362/ognisko-polskie-polish-hearth-limited/people
    The web photo shows “Prince’s Gate 55 Exhibition Road” on the pillar” which is the address- 55 Princes Gate, Exhibition road…
    {www.ognisko.com}
    Renowed artist Barbara Kaczmarowska-Hamilton is a director of OGNISKO POLSKIE (POLISH HEARTH) LIMITED
    The name Hamilton crops up quite a bit among GC Nominees Ltd. companies eg Hamilton Aviation, etc.

    Flypast Limited registerd there has as a director Mark C Whitehead (whose name appears on Silver Fern Sussex papers)
    {http://www.companieslist.co.uk/06634185-mb-facilities-management-limited} where one sees other dissolved co’s like Who Dares Wins Limited and Winged Dagger Games Limited which shows some kind of SAS obsession.
    It’s a mystery wrapped up in an enigma.

  • Felix

    Anyway…
    the UK press hasn’t picked up on the free phone no.

    Where are the bodies?
    Where are the funerals?
    Where’s Brett?

    “Long grass”

  • bluebird

    Brooker and ferret

    Both postcodes are correct for princes gate addresses. That is because princes gate is s huge area wizh many different streets. The post code depends on the house number of princes gate addresses and if it is in exhibition road or in kensington road. See my post above for details if you wish.

  • bluebird

    Felix

    That house is full of intelligence companies. I guess that every countries intelligence service has got a room in that house.

    Another company is I M Russia ltd. This is a company providing intelligence and market analysis for biotechnical and high technology products in russia and the ukraine.

    Their sister company is
    http://www.parioforma.com/page31.php

    Parioforma. Registered in princes gate 55. Must be a huge house but does not look that huge on the maps.

    Parioforma is basically an intelligence company for market research for pharma products worldwide but does high technology and aeronautics market and intelligence as well. They are connected with i m russia and in the usa with intrix corporation, another intelligence company doing market research and intelligence for south america.

    I would not wonder if that intelligence is somehow connected with government intelligence services.

  • Ferret

    Bit quick off the mark with accusations of lying, aren’t we Dave?

    Royal Mail’s first few listings for 55 Princes Gate are:

    Crime Ltd, 55 Princes Gate, LONDON, SW7 2PG
    Financial Executive Selection, 55 Princes Gate, LONDON, SW7 2PG
    Gabriel Consultants, 55 Princes Gate, LONDON, SW7 2PG
    Polish Hearth, 55 Princes Gate, LONDON, SW7 2PN
    Polonez Associates, 55 Princes Gate, LONDON, SW7 2PG
    Tunara Group, 55 Princes Gate, LONDON, SW7 2PG

    http://www.royalmail.com/postcode-finder

    So I was right to say that SW7 2PN is *a* correct post code for 55 Princes Gate, but was wrong to say it was *the* (only) one as I simply didn’t know (and didn’t imagine there could be) an alternative.

    So as Bluebird says, we are both right.

    However, SW7 2PN is the one commonly used at Companies House for companies looked after by Gabriel Consulting, and I hadn’t seen the other one used in any such records.

    Strange that there are two correct postcodes for the same building… mind you, it might have arisen simply because the post office change their post code boundaries from time to time…

  • bluebird

    Felix

    To me this house looks like a congress center of the 5 or 10 most important international intelligence services, all of them hiding behind some obscure company names. As i said before, you would probably have another intelligence representative sitting in every single office in that house. The polish run the rsstaurant in ghe garden but the reviews of their restaurant are awful. Perhaps the cook knows better how to use a walter ppk than a pan.

    Youll probably get your office but youll be screened by all of them and they will wonder what country you are representing in their congress center. By the way, poland wants to sell their restaurant. You can buy it. The club is upset but they are broke.

  • Felix

    @Ferret
    Is there a rear entrance off Princes Square?

    @all
    I don’t think anybody picked up the rather bizarre labelling of the photo at the Daily Telegraph on Saturday
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9591492/Alps-murder-Saad-al-Hilli-changed-the-locks-on-his-Surrey-home-before-travelling-to-Annecy.html
    “..outside a house believed to belong to the al-Hilli family in Claygate…” What do they mean?
    You mean that the press can’t find out who owns it?

  • Ferret

    @Bluebird

    Thanks for the history re Princes Gate, helps explain why Princes Gate isn’t one road, and is dotted around in bits.

    🙂

    @Felix

    Good digging re Flypast Limited and Mark C Whitehead!

    Can I ask, what did you think was significant about of Rockie Osaren’s involvement in Squadron Ltd?

    Also, I was wondering if you’ve noticed any pattern in building numbers for ex-SAS companies in your trawling… I’ve seen a number of building numbers 22 and 44, and of course there’s the ubiquitous 55… I’m a bit hesitant to suggest a pattern but it does stand out. In before Dave, it does sound a little bit crazy… but if you’re in a secret society eg the SAS then it would make sense to have some secret signs so insiders could recognise each other on the outside… Just a thought…

  • Ferret

    @Felix

    Is there a rear entrance off Princes Square?

    Don’t know… are you thinking this might explain the Princes Gate/Exhibition Road confusion?

    @Bluebird

    Remember the area is choc a bloc with foreign embassies, too. Makes sense as an intel location… maybe useful for surveillance, electronic eavesdropping, etc etc?

    @Jon

    Where’s Ricki’s comment? And mine? Please moderate…

    @Ricki

    Can you try and repost, minus offending words?

  • dave brooker

    “Bit quick off the mark with accusations of lying, aren’t we Dave?”

    Tap it into the ratings agency website for yourself if you don’t believe me.

    Then try SW7 2PG.

    HTH.

  • dave brooker

    “Remember the area is choc a bloc with foreign embassies, too. Makes sense as an intel location… maybe useful for surveillance, electronic eavesdropping, etc etc?”

    It’s a mailbox address, for people who want it to look like their company is more than it is.

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