I am delighted that a new canpaign has started today against the state enforced child slavery in the uzbek cotton industry, especially as this campaign originates in Germany, where a significant portion of society appears to have finally woken up to the reality of the German government’s appalling complicity in the Nazi style regime and atrocities of Karimov.
However in the UK it remains the case that since the coalition government came to power, there has not been one single government statement on the human rights atrocities in Uzbekistan or – even more damning of our sham democracy – one single statement or question from New Labour.
Nevermind – “Germany record of Imperial abuse is as bad as that of Britain”. Nice try, Nevermind, but Germany’s is a lot worse, especially considering size and longevity.
Is this Algeria thing completely bollox? It certainly seems so.
Nevermind
I am not saying that EU is altogether bad idea. I am just saying that Lemon has a point in his rant. Germany is capitalist economy. Following basics of economics (and ignoring Marxism) 3 things are needed for successful economy. 1. Markets 2. Resources 3. Investments
Germany seems to have no problem with 3. In order to secure 1 and 2 Germany could either go WWIII or could hold on to EU. No one could argue that German goods are of better quality and German production is more energy efficient and thus cost effective but Germany still need secured market and resources to secure its economic development.
In the last 70 years US has had significant present in Europe which itself was a theatre of possible WWIII. But with recent development in East Asia US is shifting its priority and vacuum in Europe will be filled with next in kin which as it happen to be Germany.
Yes, Germany plays by the rules. But rules have been changing and they have been and will be changing to suit those who benefit from EU most which is as said earlier is Germany. So, options are 1. Play by the rules which benefit Germany the most 2. Leave EU 3. Change EU (but this one is of undoable quality).
@ Giles My use of the word sabotaging merely shadowed lemon’ puffs reference to it. You would not possibly deny that the MSM has indulged in an unbiased information flow with regards to the workings of the EU, it has left people in the dark something rotten, and it shows, every day.
It might be hard to realise that the weekly vagaries of WW2 articles in the media making out it was the biggest thing ever to hit Britain has anything to do with truth, but it all helps to keep a hun in his place does it not?
What would they print if South Africa dared to annually remember the battle of Spion Kop? which had Churchill’s hands all over it? Would that be shrugged off as Boer talk? Talking up supremacists abroad, when one’s own country is flush with them is rather stupid is it not?
Listening to N. Farrage, who received millions in wages from the EU and never supported anything, a wrecker par excellence, and his lack of vision, he dare not paint a picture as to what Britain’s agricultural community would look like without EU subsidies, or what would happen if our EU markets, travelling there and much more are subjected to an extra tax, a maverick who preys on the Tory splits, trying to ‘attract’ membership away from them.
Thank-you Uzbek for consolidating Craig’s exposure of the horrifying state enforced child slavery in the uzbek cotton industry.
The Uzbek government promises America and Britain it will reform, but does nothing. We realise Obama has placed the needs of 100,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan over the needs of Uzbek dissidents, survivors of the massacre in 2005, they remain restrained yet seething inside.
America waived human rights restrictions on military aid to Uzbekistan while Karimov profits handsomely from US military contracts. It is crystal clear American and British administrations are never honest about what they are doing when their own security and financial interests are at stake.
Karimov should be called by the tyrant that is his name and the Uzbek radicals will not forget these atrocities. Their time will come.
Wickispooks, at 7.16 pm yesterday. That is a great article about the Chagos Islands and the despicable thing we British did to the Islanders. I post it everywhere as a testimony against modern imperialism.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Falklands_and_Chagos_-_A_Tale_of_Two_Islands
Nevermind,
First up, do you support an In/Out referendum, yes or no?
I’d say the MSM is more pro- than anti-EU. Interestingly, it tends to be commented on less in the pro-EU media such as the Guardian and BBC, and more in papers such as the Telegraph. In fact, Telegraph readers are, for the most part, highly informed about the EU and consider it a major, if not the major, political issue in Britain. The liveliest debate is to be found on such sites which are sceptical about our membership. You might say readers have been fed dodgy information, but I’d say they are some of the few who have bothered to research what a rotten, wasteful, corrupt and unnecessary organization it is. All of them could, of course, answer your earlier test about naming the Commisioner and would, indeed, wonder why you are asking such an obvious question. The exists a healthy and democratic distrust of the EU in this country, while its supporters tend to remain quiet or make vague assertions about how there have been no wars between EU members, or how those against it are anti-European little Englanders, and other claims that don’t really stand up to scrutiny. Otherwise they devote their time to finding ever more ingenious ways of denying the British people a referendum. It’s also interesting, given your first paragraph, how little discussion there is of the EU on this site.
The proliferation of WW2 articles, films, documentaries, etc., is due to it being such excellent subject material. Most people have at least a basic understanding of the history and it fascinates them. I inderstand it’s not much fun to be on the losing side, and you’ve a heavy burden to bear when your country gassed 6 million Jews, but hey, it’s cracking entertainment and very few people hold a grudge against the Germans. Certainly, it is one of my favourite places to travel. It has absolutely nothing to do with “keeping the hun in his place”.
I’m not denying that there were shameful episodes during the British Empire, as there are in all empires, but your attempt at claiming parity with British crimes is, if I might say, a typically German thing to do, of the “Ah, but you Englanders invented the concentration camp” school of denial. Germany managed far worse, in far fewer places, in a far shorter time, than Britian.
Farrage’s party receives that money, not Farrage. Personally I think he’s a bit of a spiv, and the UKIP a one-man band, but at least he speaks up, unlike those faceless MEPs who clock in for 5 minutes a day to claim their allowances, and our quisling politicians who do exactly as they’re told by the EU so that they can one day join the gravy train. Our markets can get along just fine without the EU , as they have since, well, forever, and continue to do so in countries like Norway. Ever-increasing costs, additional layers of bureaucracy and directives, the creation of a superstate with political union, none of these benefit business. We can look after our own farming and our own fisheries and if someone makes a cock-up, they can be voted out of office.
Ultimately, whatever passes for democracy on these islands is a darn sight more accountable, democratic and transparent than the EU monolith, membership of which I’m sure you will agree, even if you disagree with everything I have written, should be put to the British people in a referendum.
@ Uzbek in the UK
‘No one could argue that German goods are of better quality and German production is more energy efficient’
Well, I do, with the proviso that nobody is perfect and that it does not happen at all economic levels.
For example. Germany recycles 13% of its raw material needs from waste, including I might add, modern technological methods of recycling rare earth materials vital for a less energy intensive world. It operates a cyclical resource economy.
Compare that to shambles here. No national goals for the guaranteed uptake by industry of recycled materials, a linear policy development that ends in landfill or medieval waste burning in incinerators, operated by companies that have records of fines for polluting as long as your arm.
To claim that Germany is on a war footing when it is us who are fighting wars on the turn of a switch, is utterly delusional.
Those here who trust their political party minorities to do different (UEA’s motto) must realise that its these parties that shaped society and have presented us with this situation, that they have no guts to change, nor the will.
I’m with Wikispooks on this wake up for goods sake and lets take this country back from vested interests and war mongers.
I agree with your assumption that Russia is the real goal for the US, but you forgot to mention the now close relationship between the once erstwhile enemy China and that if worst comes to the worst, first strike talk of Chinese underground nuclear facilities, contaminating us all is bound to bring them even closer.
If the US strikes at China, we will have ww3, regardless of what Germany does or wants. Germany has an active and lively anti war and anti nuclear movement. They can’t just send soldiers everywhere on the whim of some PM or send special forces on a jolly to Algeria, they have to vote on it in Parliament, the old notion of democracy has still some meaning in other countries you know.
“Let’s take this country back”
Agreed, but you want to give it away!
Anyway, this from the GBC is hilarious:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzOvc4XuFNc
@Giles
First up, do you support an In/Out referendum, yes or no?
No, not without clear and unbiased information for voters or without anything to vote for.
yes, once there is a clear picture on what to vote in or out for, without it, its a mere fart in the wind.
Another small point, within the British political system, whatever the vote, you could never be assured that the political parties would pull their arse off the fence post.
“I inderstand it’s not much fun to be on the losing side, and you’ve a heavy burden to bear when your country gassed 6 million Jews, but hey, it’s cracking entertainment and very few people hold a grudge against the Germans.”
Giles, I feel no burden whatsoever, I’m not responsible for the mistakes and atrocities of my forefathers, but I do recognise that WW” is the biggest thing ever that happened to these cute isles, why else continually use it to lighten up your debates? And it is on the curriculum forever, not all true, but who cares what our little darlings learn in schools.
” Germany managed far worse, in far fewer places, in a far shorter time, than Britian.”
Hmm, that is debatable and down one’s individual breadth of education, would you not agree?
Although Germanys atrocities were fast and furious, they were in the open, not hidden and denied as the 1.8 billion Muslims that died under the Governments of the Raj, with not much being done to help them, after all Britain set up the Swadeshi national council and opted to support nationalist Hindu politicians and parties.
I find these kind of comparison futile and shall leave it at that.
Good o’l Nigel, he speaks out, ahhh, but what does he actually say apart from ‘lets get out of Europe’ at every election, regardless whether its a council election, for MEP or for Parliament. The money does not go to the party at all, sorry, but I set up the UK’s first Green MEP’s relations with their party and the money is not controlled by the party but by respective MEP’s, that includes all allowances. Most of that is pent on office staff, normally, but UKIP never voted FOR anything so their office staff is pretty much involved with not much more but to inform the MEP’s of when to vote against something and that’s all they ever do.
lastly you seem to be of the impression that I’m defending the EU’s set up, created by vested interest party politicians and cocked up by them.
Not at all, I want to see changes to it major changes and if they are not forthcoming, the EU will fall to pieces anyway.
Now what better proposal than the EU have you got? What’s your proposal for change and how would you get sustainable regulative frameworks on all sorts of issues without cross border cooperation.?
Finally, I apologise for treating this thread like an EU thread and shall seize forthwith contaminating it.
Thank-you for this and all of your previous postings on Uzbekistan. I have finally gotten around to finding out if the vendors I purchase cotton products from refuse to buy from Uzbek sources and will be communicating with my MP about Canada’s positions and actions on Uzbekistan. This is all so depressing.
The Chagos scourge and wretchedness makes my blood boil John Goss – This from ‘History commons’ demonstrates the nefarious, heinous, barbaric and heartless nature of the British establishment and their military zombies:
“With the arrival of the first Americans at Diego Garcia, the largest atoll of the Chagos Archipelago, the island’s remaining residents are told they must leave. [BBC, 11/3/2000; CBS NEWS, 6/13/2003; CNN, 6/18/2003]
Recalling the massive forced relocation, Marcel Moulinie, the manager of a coconut plantation on the island, tells CBS 60 minutes in 2003 that he was ordered to ship the people out. “Total evacuation. They wanted no indigenous people there,” Marcel Moulinie explains. “When the final time came and the ships were chartered, they weren’t allowed to take anything with them except a suitcase of their clothes. The ships were small and they could take nothing else, no furniture, nothing.”
To make it clear to residents that there would be no compromise, Sir Bruce Greatbatch, governor of the Seychelles, orders the killing of the Chagossians’ pets, which are rounded up into a furnace and gassed with exhaust fumes from American military vehicles. [CBS NEWS, 6/13/2003; CNN, 6/18/2003; ZNET, 10/22/2004] “They put the dogs in a furnace where the people worked,” Lisette Talatte, a Chagossian, will later tell investigative journalist John Pilger. [1500 pet animals killed]
“[W]hen their dogs were taken away in front of them our children screamed and cried.” [ZNET, 10/22/2004] Marie Therese Mein, another Chagossian, later says US officials threatened to bomb them if they did not leave. [SELF-DETERMINATION NEWS, 1/28/2002; ZNET, 10/22/2004] And the Washington Post interviews one man in 1975 who says he was told by an American official, “If you don’t leave you won’t be fed any longer.” [WASHINGTON POST, 9/9/1975]
The Chagossians are first shipped to the nearby islands of Peros Banhos and Salomon and then 1,200 miles away to Mauritius and the Seychelles. [BBC, 11/3/2000; CBS NEWS, 6/13/2003; CNN, 6/18/2003]
Before the eviction, the Chagossians were employed, grew their own fruit and vegetables, raised poultry and ducks, and fished. [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 9/21/1975; SELF-DETERMINATION NEWS, 1/28/2002; BRITISH ROYAL COURTS OF JUSTICE, 10/9/2003; TRIBUNE (BAHAMAS), 11/17/2003] On the island of Diego Garcia, there was a church, a school as well as a few stores. [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 9/21/1975] But now, after being removed from their homes and dumped into foreign lands without compensation or resettlement assistance, they are forced to live in poverty. [CBS NEWS, 6/13/2003; CNN, 6/18/2003]
The uprooted Chagossians find shelter in abandoned slums, which have no water or electricity. [SUNDAY TIMES (LONDON), 9/21/1975; CHURCH TIMES, 1/7/2005] Many commit suicide during and after the eviction campaign. [ZNET, 10/22/2004] Lisette Taleti loses two of her children. [GUARDIAN, 5/12/2006] Describing the plight of the Chagossians at this time, the British High Court writes in 2003: “The Ilois [Chagossians] were experienced in working on coconut plantations but lacked other employment experience. They were largely illiterate and spoke only Creole. Some had relatives with whom they could stay for a while; some had savings from their wages; some received social security, but extreme poverty routinely marked their lives. Mauritius already itself experienced high unemployment and considerable poverty. Jobs, including very low paid domestic service, were hard to find. The Ilois were marked by their poverty and background for insults and discrimination. Their diet, when they could eat, was very different from what they were used to. They were unused to having to fend for themselves in finding jobs and accommodation and they had little enough with which to do either. The contrast with the simple island life which they had left behind could scarcely have been more marked.”
Regarding my Chagos post it is easy for me to equate this atrocity to that of the Palestinian struggle; their villages scorched, the inhabitants murdered, income lacking as cultivated olive tree plantations are destroyed, an East German class dividing wall preventing community cohesion, Palestinian homes possessed by force and illegal settlements built on Palestinian land enforced at the point of a trained gun.
When will these zombie acts be bought to book? Will two million who marched against the Iraq war enact civil disobedience perchance?
No – we remain unaffected, apathetic and impotent in our own little worlds like paper tigers.
Pot, Kettle, Black.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-01-17/cameron-warns-of-more-bad-news-in-algeria-cancels-eu-speech
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112601/Nigeria-hostage-murder-Italians-attack-David-Cameron-failing-alert-Mario-Monti-raid.html
Exactly Mark Golding, it made my blood boil too, especially since the first I had heard of it was when I read the article, which should be read in total to see what bastards the UK military employ. Incidentally I reposted it in the comments (the last comment) of my article:
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2013/01/05/las-malvinas-or-the-falkland-islands-the-ugly-face-of-british-imperialism-and-its-startling-cost/
The comments do not allow URL links so I wrote: ‘If you Google “Falklands and Chagos – a tale of two islands” it should bring up a Peter Presland article of that title.’
I mentioned too in the comment about all the islanders dogs being herded into a barn and gassed to death. My comment has a negative approval rating, as though these acts of barbarity have the approval of those who have made it their business to diss my remarks. It’s The Guardian all over.
Terrible. Sad. Criminal. John Pilger has been on their case for many years but there will never be any justice for them until Little Britain stops obeying Amerika but as the West is rapidly going down, who knows what the future holds for the Islanders.
http://johnpilger.com/videos/stealing-a-nation
No justice from the ECHR either in December. Note Hague was pleased with the decision.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20801992
The island was tainted further when the evil coalition used it as a base for rendition, ie taking victims to be tortured, and at first denied. When I was a young woman, I never thought I would know of the evils that have taken place in the last three or four decades.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9106233/Rendition-did-UK-play-secret-role.html
Human Atrocities – The PNAC Catalyst for the Iraq War
George W. Bush’s foreign policy advisory team in the year 2000 were Condoleezza Rice, Richard Armitage KCMG, Robert Blackwill, Stephen Hadley, Richard Perle, Dov S. Zakheim, Robert Zoellick, Paul Wolfowitz, and Scooter Libby. The team was named ‘The Vulcans’ after the Roman god of fire and metal-working.
A ‘volcano’ or the opening in the earth’s crust derives it’s name from ‘Vulcano’, a volcanic island in the Aeolian islands of Italy. Vulcano originates from Vulcan.
‘Pyroclastic’ flow’s are a common and devastating result of some volcanic eruptions. They are fast-moving fluidized bodies of hot gas, ash and rock at very high temperature, hot enough to melt steel and turn concrete into dust.
A thermo-nuclear device detonated at a calculated distance below bed-rock would create a cavity of evaporated and pulverised rock at >3000 degrees C that would melt anything above instantly. The hot gases would form a pyroclastic flow. Very little or no radiation would leak above ground.
The site of a nuclear explosion is called ‘ground zero’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssLZ4bUTDYM
Thank-you to Mr. Dimitri A. Khalezov, a former officer of the Soviet nuclear intelligence, for his analysis.
Mark Golding, it was the nuclear tests in the atmosphere that caused the thinning of the ozone layer over the South Pacific, Australasia and which is growing over Antarctica. Billy Murray McCormac was responsible for these experiments. It is not surprising therefore that his son, also Billy McCormac, is a top executive of Prime PR in Sweden, the company which with the support of Karl Rove is responsible for concocting the case against Julian Assange.
http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/breaking-news-on-mccormac-culpability.html
A worrying report about American imperialism today. An American judge has ruled that Russia must hand over documents which have never left Russia and have no connection to America to an organisation in America.
I’ll give links to both the American and Russian versions as they differ in detail.
http://rt.com/politics/russia-us-chabad-lubavitch-schneerson-184/
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/world/europe/russia-warns-of-retaliation-over-us-ruling-on-jewish-collection.html
Whichever is right it means that America considers their domestic law applies to the entire world and that an American judge has higher authority than a sovereign state.
Fred
Generally American imperialism is a worrying thing but in this particular case it is easy to speculate when it is taken out of the context.
This refers to the document on Judaism collected by Russian Jews within several hundred years. You should be aware of anti-Semitic waves in both Czarist and Soviet Russia. Hundreds of thousands of Jews were forced to flee Russia leaving everything they owned behind. In addition to this many properties of both Jews and others in Russia were made property of state. Hundreds of thousand pieces of art and jewellery moved from private owners to state coffins some were traded in exchange for hard cash in the early days of Soviet republic. Some Jews of the community where these particular documents were collected are now laying claims on what their community collected and owned until it was taken by the state. Whether or not they are right it is up to the angel you look at history. Russia itself for instance heavily robbed Eastern Europe and Germany in particular after WWII blaming them for disastrous distractions and loss of Russian lives during the war. Dozens of factories were moved from Germany to Russia laying foundation to some flagship soviet industries such as watch or TV making.
In Baltic states for instance properties were returned to the private owners after the fall of soviet system. Some Estoniyans, Latviyans and Luthvanians who left their countries after Stalin’s invasion were able to get back properties owned by them or their parents before the invasion.
I realise it might be difficult to understand this here where developments like this have taken place some 500 years ago.
Fred, not the news story of the day but if these religious books were so important to the US Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic group they should have taken them with them when they chose to live in the land of Satan. The important message as you say is that the US sees itself as the judicial system of the world. The US is not even a signatory to the ICC but one day, God-willing, its leaders will end up there on charges of torture, mass-murder, wrongful imprisonment, theft and all the other crimes perpetrated by the so-called ‘land of the free’ on the rest of the world.
Uzbek, there is a difference between returning to property to having it returned abroad to you.
Mark G 1:22am
I’m not sure what to make of Dimitri Khalezov. I had contact with him a couple of years ago around the time of the Viktor Bout arrest and subsequent rendition to the US from Thailand where they were both resident.
With his approval, I tidied up a long essay of his from its heavily Russian-compromised English grammar version and put it up on Wikispooks here – FWIW.
That’s not an endorsement BTW. I have become pretty clear in my own mind about the over-arching, essentially false-flag nature of 9/11 and WHY it happened. Which makes the detail of precisely HOW it was pulled off, of waning interest. I therefore remain studiously agnostic about pretty much any and every ‘HOW’ theory unless and until it can be definitively ruled out without recourse to emotion and allegations of absurdity/credulity. Cass Sunstein-like, there are masses of disinfo out there too, but also some dedicated researchers who keep turning up real corroborating gems.
There are some interesting pictures of clearly molten and re-solidified rock in the demolished tower foundation excavations which I’ve never seen adequate explanation for. Can’t find a link right now but they are among the official archive somewhere.
John Goss
I take it that you never been forced to leave the place you were born in or lived for the long time and established connection with. The very necessity to live such place speaks for itself. People are not usually given much time to pack their luggage and if they manage to do it they are usually robbed on their way. It was not like you boarded a plane and flew from London to Paris first class. It was probably sensible to live these documents there or they have been taken by the state beforehand.
In 1918-1919 people were shot for hiding sack of wheat to have something to each in horrible Russian winter.
Uzbeck In The UK.
I was trying not to comment on the rights and wrongs of the case, that’s not for me to decide. I posted links to both sides of the story so as not to show favour.
It is a matter for Russian law or international law to decide, the fact that America considers they have the right to decide that is the worrying part and if you say they have the authority in this case then you are saying they have the authority in every case.
John Goss,
I agree on the difference but again you need to know Russia in order to understand the context. 21 years have passed since end of communism and monopoly on public ownership and yet still rights on private property have not been set properly. People can own the building but not the land on which the building stands. It opens up whole way of measures for the state to use its force when needed or to blackmail those private owners.
Think of these for instance. Millions of people in 1930th -1940th were forced to work in Gulag system to build backbone of soviet heavy industries, millions of them died of cold and malnutrition. And yet after 1991 many factories were privatised by few (mostly former party leaders or former state appointed factory managers) for pennies. New class of New Russians (Oligarchs) was born. Was this fair?
Or about this. Huge mass of land just outside of Moscow belonged to a family of well established Russian traders before 1917 October revolution. Since then it was nationalised and stayed mostly undeveloped for over 70 years. Today it is being sold piece by piece by government (by proxy some corrupt government officials) for over 5.000 USD for square metre. Tomorrow there is a good chance that the same land can be nationalised AGAIN and sold to another private owner AGAIN. Hence NO need for the Russian government to put any clarity in rights of private ownership.
John Goss
The rights and wrongs don’t concern me.
If this continues we are going to get people who have obviously lost their marbles taking the British Museum to an American court. Whatever the outcome it means that everyone in Britain has lost their freedom and become American subjects, subject to American law.
Fred
The irony is that that there is no such thing as Russian LAW as you know it. Russian Law is what Putin and his gang need or want. Similar to Uzbekistan in Russia no security is guaranteed to any private ownership and investment. In very rare cases when legal measure will not work illegal measure are employed (mafia is sent to do government’s business).
Uzbek In The UK
I help someone who has a blog trying to fight injustice in the American legal system, believe me, the Russian system can’t be any worse.
But that is beside the point, as how bad the Russian legal system may be it is the one that applies, if you say America has jurisdiction in this case you say they have jurisdiction over all of us in every case.