John Bolton’s Fake Applause

by craig on February 16, 2013 12:13 pm in Uncategorized

The Oxford Union has dubbed fake applause onto the videos of John Bolton’s address to the Union. It has not done this for any other speaker.

If you listen to these videos of Bolton itching for war with Iran, you can hear precisely the same burst of ultra enthusiastic applause at the start, fading “naturally” as he begins to speak.

This dubbing in of applause is not used for any other speaker on the Oxford Union website, either before or after Bolton.

Everyone else just gets the actual applause that really existed.

Contrast the presentation of these question answers from Bolton with this from Julian Assange:

One futher interesting feature of the Bolton video is that the students asking questions – who were mostly hostile – are all edited out in favour of fake applause.

I was involved in heated negotiations with the Oxford Union on the transmission of Assange’s address, against attempts not by the students but by the Board of Trustees to block it “on legal grounds”. These conversations were not pleasant. When Assange’s address was finally put out, the sound was completely messed up and remained so for a fortnight, with this comment from the Oxford Union posted underneath:


Thanks for your feedback. We are aware there are issues with the audio when playing on mobile devices and we are working on getting this fixed as quickly as possible. The audio can be heard on desktops or with headphones on laptops.

I am therefore fascinated by the skill with which the Oxford Union have merged the dying of the fake applause over the start of Bolton’s speaking, when they were technically incapable of a simple straight sound feed of the Assange address.

Bolton is not only banging the drum for neo-con war, he is a war criminal with a direct role in launching the illegal role of aggression in Iraq. His address to the Union was the day before Assange’s speech to the Sam Adams Award at the same venue. Yet not a single one of the students who demonstrated against Assange demonstrated against Bolton.

To take the issue of rape, which was ostensibly the subject of the protest, Bolton’s Iraq War directly caused innumerable rapes. Nobody can know the exact figure, but certainly tens of thousands of rapes, and very many of them were fatal or had the most devastating consequences for the women who suffered. Read this excellent article

Rape is a common weapon of any war; no one knows how many Iraqi women have been raped since the war began in 2003. Most crimes against women “are not reported because of stigma, fear of retaliation, or lack of confidence in the police,” MADRE, an international women’s rights group, wrote in its 2007 report about violence against women in Iraq. Some women, like Khalida, are raped by Iraqi security forces. A 2005 report published by the Iraqi National Association for Human Rights found that women held in Interior Ministry detention centers endure “systematic rape by the investigators.”

They did not demonstrate against Bolton because the mainstream media and establishment have whipped up no hysteria about him. But they were directed to outrage against Assange, a man who has done a great deal to expose war crimes and try to prevent war, because the mainstream media and establishment pushed the useful idiots in that direction with some extraordinarily unconvincing accusations.

I said most of this IN my owN speech to the Sam Adams awards. Strangely the Oxford Union have not posted that speech at all…..

UPDATE

With thanks to Herbie, there is a history of Bolton and false applause. Perhaps this is insisted upon by his minders – who presumably know he doesn’t get real applause outside the Republican Party!

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  1. OXFORD UNION – ‘UK TRAITORS IN TRAINING’ ? – 2

    If, as Tony Benn, Robin Ramsay and Peter Dale Scott say, Britain is a subject nation of the U.S. Empire, then its leaders would be carrying out U.S. Empire policies that benefit the U.S. Empire and not Britain. Are they? North Sea oil? The railway and NHS privatisations? The City?

    The City has been categorised by those who should know as the money-laundering centre of the world – for the drug trafficking and other crimes (LIBOR for one) carried out by unaccountable – and apparently untouchable – ‘Deep Politics’ groups that are the power of the 1%.

    Robin Ramsay in Lobster magazine has a long essay that points out that all the British economic ‘cock-ups’ related to the City curiously _always_ result in offshore finance trousering the money. Ditto North Sea oil, natch! “What a coincidence!” “Shocked, Shocked to find that gambling is going on!” ; )

    It’s plain as a pikestaff to any open-minded observer – this observer, anyway – that Britain has been utterly stitched up by the US Empire ever since Tony Benn failed to get a UK National wealth fund for North Sea oil. Unlike Norway. Robin Ramsay says ‘since Suez.’ ; )

    “What do you think ‘Bonkers’ Bolton / US Empire (Neo-Con?) Nazi war criminals / Oxford Union ‘UK traitors in training’ are?” ; ) (ER, Spies? Ed.) – *** Crank the volume, it’s too low *** –

    – The Spy Who Came In From The Cold –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNrjAMV0HJk#t=01m28s

  2. Surfing by from California — just wanted to chime in with an American comment: I can’t stand John Bolton and I can’t watch John Bolton, so nope, I’m not transcribing him either. Will leave that for someone who supports him. Let me know when.

    In contrast, here’s my transcript of Julian Assange’s Oxford Union address:
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/01/amelia-hill-is-a-dirty-liar/#comment-391372

    Best wishes

  3. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    17 Feb, 2013 - 8:49 pm

    “From where I sit to see any politics take credible steps forward would be a time to rejoice and sit back and focus on important things.”

    Jay; I’ve said something similar. Correct me if I misunderstand, but the effort to undercut opinions one disagrees with seems to focus on the personality and the requisite chinks in the human armor.

    Of course, many times this is intentional misdirection, as the antagonist has no substantive argument to offer. Attacking the messenger probably has it’s origins in Cambrian mud, and that is not a sufficient reason to continue, but some cling to the notion that the human brain exists primarily to make excuses for what we have already decided. That is far from forward motion. It is regressive. But the knee-jerk responses have two general directions; staying where we are, which is really going backward; or moving ahead, which is progressive.

    If people think they can stop the tide from rolling in by cursing at the grunions, there’s is probably nothing you can do to educate as to the facts, but you don’t have to give them air by addressing their fool’s errand.

  4. ‘BONKERS’ BOLTON AND ‘DEEP POLITICS’

    ‘Bonkers’ Bolton an incompetent failure as a frontman for the US Empire Neo-Con Nazis – a US Empire ‘Deep Politics’ group. Bush likewise incompetent, which is why they used Tony Bliar – “the minstrel, the herald, for this inarticulate and, to my mind, completely mistaken attack on Iraq,” – John le Carre, below @ 6.40

    “Under Thatcher whose influence upon my country I detest….” @ 4.50. “We in old Europe know about war and we don’t want anymore war. We hate war. The United States, alas, has still to interpret politics in military terms and that’s a catastrophe.” @6.00. Bliar – the minstrel, the heral @ 6.40 – John le Carre –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eukzmGPDHJE#t=04m50s

    Q. Why is there a war on terror?

    A. “Because the US has not learned how to hold itself together without an external enemy.” “What you have to do – ask Karl Rove – is make sure that people are frightened.” !!! – @3.36 –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGhNVmZlGyo#t=03m36s

    “These days it’s very hard to buy, or to read, uninfluenced, unbought, opinion. Whether in the press, in politics, on radio, on television. Increasingly people are afraid of offending against the corporate or the collective voice.” Which doesn’t even start to consider the (im)pure propaganda organs (like the Grauniad and Monbiot and oh so many more!? See Operation Mockingbird! ; ) Ed). –

    – Part 3 – @ 7.18

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eukzmGPDHJE#t=07m18s

    What are ‘deep politics’ and ‘parapolitics’? Peter Dale Scott’s definitions – @ 0:20. ‘Deep politics’ @ 0:40. ‘Parapolitics’ @ 1:00 –

    – 29th July 2012 – Deep Politics Intro by ‘ComingtoJakarta – Youtube –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A5cNiiMRng

    Tony Benn wipes the floor with Neo-Con Nazi ‘Bonkers’ Bolton. Because it’s a please to watch again. And again and again. : ) –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YsJhLqgKHY#t=03m58s

  5. David Ward MP is still being hounded. He has to meet his party’s Chief Whip Carmichael and Clegg this week.

    http://johnhilley.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/david-ward-taking-words-and-meaning-in.html

    On 16th January, 2012 at a meeting in London with Abbas and before criticizing the Israeli settlement building, Clegg said ‘I’d like to be clear: there is no stronger supporter of Israel than myself as a beacon of democracy in the region and as a country with so much to contribute to the region and the world.’

    That quote was taken from a blog written by a LibDem candidate at the last election.

    From his archive of last month’s posts, you can gauge his viewpoint on David Ward. http://matthewfharris.blogspot.co.uk/2013_01_01_archive.html

  6. Karimova,

    Thanks, excellent posts,

    but I fear you are, as we like to say, pissing in the wind to be expecting the rump of the British hard left on this blog to have a modicum of self-awareness when it comes to their knee-jerk anti-americanism.

    I concur that this is now their raison d’etre, it can seem like there is practically no progressive principle that they are not prepared to sacrifice at this altar of illogical hatred.

    I have yet to see anyone argue that the US is perfect, but to even begin comparing it to Iran shows a profound ignorance of reality and basic freedoms in both countries.

  7. “excellent posts”

    Good Lord.

    “but to even begin comparing it [the US] to Iran shows a profound ignorance of reality and basic freedoms in both countries”

    We were discussing transparency in nuclear research as it relates to international protocols like the NPL. Do keep up.

  8. doug scorgie

    17 Feb, 2013 - 9:50 pm

    Herbie
    17 Feb, 2013 – 1:44 pm

    I don’t have a problem with Oxford Union hosting a debate like: “This house believes Israel is a force for good in the Middle East”

    The title made me laugh but freedom of speech needs to be protected even if you disagree with the speakers.

    I just wonder if the University would contemplate a debate titled: “This house believes Iran is a force for good in the Middle East.

  9. doug scorgie

    17 Feb, 2013 - 9:53 pm

    KarimovaRevengeFantasist
    17 Feb, 2013 – 6:18 pm

    “There is a problem generally with them [Iran] lying (the problem is not unique to Iran), and it is not that we don’t lie either, but on a spectrum of “lying frequency” Iran is some distance away from the UK in the wrong direction, and it isn’t always a problem: it is just something to be aware of perhaps.”

    You keep repeating that Iran is lying [more than other countries] but you offer no examples or references. Why not?

    “…but stopping them from riding a coach and horses through the IAEA compliance requirements does matter as far as I am concerned.”

    Why do you not criticize India and Israel for “riding a coach and horses through the IAEA compliance requirements?”

  10. CE
    We the “rump of the British hard left” are emboldened by the fact that we predicted the banking theft that Mrs Thatcher said wouldn’t happen and which has brought the whole world to its knees. Thatcher took her ideas from the US, so our objections to the US are real, not mere prejudice.

    We the “rump of the British hard left” remain the vanguard of responsible foresight, because instead of being bought out by Thatcherism and kindly shutting up and doing what we were told, have been proved correct in opposing US neo-crap from the first.
    No, it’s no good saying things are different now, it’ll work this time. No more doses of the same old strichnine. No more US crap, slowly increasing the debts of the West to trilluions more dollars and pounds. No. We were right. You were wrong. Get used to it. The Liberal party will be lynched for bringing back these wrong headed Thatcherites. The Thatcherites will be lynched for giving the final blow to the NHS, Education and Benefits. New Labour will be lynched for all these aggressive wars against Islam. That leaves what you call the “rump of the British hard left” which remains the only people who understand what has gone wrong and how to put it right again.

  11. OXFORD UNION – ‘UK TRAITORS IN TRAINING’ ? – 3

    Where are Britain and Norway now?

    Britain’s North Sea oil is nearly gone and the money has been trousered by unaccountable offshore entities. The City is kaput since 2008, say Jim Rogers and Marc Faber, via youtube. Norway is the most prosperous country in Europe and has a large national oil wealth fund for future generations. They plan to spend the interest but hold the capital for future generations.

    Their only problem is when the try to hold the Jewish Nazis (Gilad Atzmon’s term) to account over Gaza and are on the receiving end of a US Empire ‘Deep Event’. In their case the massacre of 70 or so children of their political elite. Operation Gladio again – the US Empire blowing up Europeans, blaming the left, carried out by the right. No change there, then! See Norway’s Massacre, Breivik and ‘Deep Events’ by Peter Dale Scott at PDS’s politics page, link below. But we digress. ; )

    – Norway’s oIl wealth @ 1.50 – Michael Moore – Sicko –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svSUCbClg8E

    Peter Dale Scott –

    http://www.peterdalescott.net/q.html

    The City – “Well How Did We Get Here?” – pages 64 – 105 – pdf – by Robin Ramsay, Winter 2010 – UK Lobster –

    http://tinyurl.com/9zvaosh

    OR search yourself – Peter Dale Scott’s articles recommended – Very highly! ; ) –

    http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/

    Gladio –

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

  12. KarimovaRevengeFantasist
    17 Feb, 2013 – 7:14 pm

    There are posters to this blog that simply make assertions without any references or examples to back up their claims. You are one of them. Let’s have some intellectual rigour.

    “People in Iran suffer terrible interference in their lives from higher up officialdom.” [Examples pleas]

    “They really have to mind their Ps and Qs, [sic] otherwise you end up being tortured in Evin” Examples please]

    ”A lot of the hangings are not for what the sentence was that was passed.”[sic] [Examples please]

    “The courts are not independent:” [justify that comment]
    “…quite similar to Uzbekistan in that respect…”[again justify that statement]

    ”…and of course both countries take hostages to advance their demands.”[Examples please]

    “Iran can’t even obey the Vienna Convention on Diplomats let alone be trusted on anything else.” [Vienna Convention references please].

  13. “I have yet to see anyone argue that the US is perfect, but to even begin comparing it to Iran shows a profound ignorance of reality and basic freedoms in both countries.”

    Let’s see how they compare anyway.

    America has dropped bombs on twenty seven countries since WWII. That’s around a third of the population of the world that has had their country bombed by America.

    How many countries has Iran dropped bombs on?

  14. Doug

    I don’t have a problem with them hosting any debate they like.

    As ought to be obvious from my post, I was saying that motion hadn’t a hope in hell of winning.

    But the issue of free speech is more complex. There are corporate and institutional pressures which attempt to create an impression that speech is free. Often it isn’t at all and we need to expose that.

    I’m ultra liberal on free speech, but I think it’s fair enough to give time-wasters a miss. In a way they’re enemies of free speech too, in that they seek to pervert the free flow of discourse.

  15. KarimovaRevengeFantasist

    18 Feb, 2013 - 12:01 am

    @Fred
    “And things were better under the Shah we imposed on them after overthrowing their democratically elected government how?”

    I don’t know how things would have been under Mossadegh. However, I can tell you about things under the Shah. Economic growth was fantastic (but maybe a bit uneven). Human rights were not always respected: the Savak did torture some people, but the levels of abuse and torture were simply as nothing compared with the post revolutionary period. I suppose you can argue the revolution would not have happened if Mossadegh had remained in power. I don’t know. The Shah was very progressive and modern: Farah Diba, his wife (the Empress!) even bought a Jackson Pollock (now owned by the Islamic Republic) and it has turned out to be a fantastic investment (She either had good taste or she was well advised). (They both spoke very good French and English as well as Persian of course). One problem was how the rural people felt when they came to the big city: I wonder if there was a clash of cultures (or of class?). Some urbanites wanted to live life as if they were in California while rural dwellers who came to the big city for work still had very traditional ways. There seemed to be two middle classes in Teheran (traditional owners of shops in the bazaar(well to-do unwesternised types) and then a more Westernised type, usually with a career job who would speak English and maybe drink beer or vodka). Mullah types and more traditional people would probably smoke opium instead. (Yes, it is funny how Iran executes drug smugglers – I have my doubts if some of them aren’t really dissidents). It seems to me the problem of making rural Iranians (with more traditional dress habits and who have parents arrange their marriages for them) feel more comfortable in Iran has been partly solved by forcing the wayward more Westernised urban middle class types to behave more like the former. This has probably contributed to Iran having a massive brain drain (although that could also be due the economic situation too). The Westernised middle class resent not being able to date girls and chat freely in coffee shops (coffee shops in Teheran now have cameras to ensure unrelated people of opposite sex don’t meet – check the story of the Cafe Prague in Teheran: recently closed down because it refused to spy on its customers). If the mullahs are ever overthrown, the original problem the Shah had will still be there: maybe the rural people need help adapting and maybe city dwellers need to be more mindful of the rural types. I don’t know what the answer is. I suppose under Mossadegh, eoonomic progress would have been slower, and maybe the revolution would not have happened. The corruption levels would probably have been the same though. I sunbathed on the roof of a building during the Jaleh Square massacre, but even an opponent of the Shah (Dr Abbas Milani) who was jailed by him thinks the Shah didn’t use enough force (more than 100 demonstrators died that afternoon according to the Shah’s censored press). Of course the deaths in the Iranian revolution were probably as nothing compared with Syria today. Also they were nothing compared with all the executions that have happened since in Iran. The psychological damage the regime has caused can’t be insignificant: some people in Iran who have watched public hangings or who have been tortured, etc. are not going to suddenly become nice Westminster style democrats respecting their opponents’ arguments. Unless they get psychological help they will surely self-administer help (take revenge). The nuclear talks in Kazakhstan look likely to fail. Whatever sets off the downfall of the mullahs, I’d be surprised if there was a peaceful transition to a Westminster style democracy. Got to leave it there.

  16. US EMPIRE ‘POLITICAL PEDOPHILE GROOMING’

    > rump of the British hard left

    LEFT, RIGHT, FURTHER RIGHT AND BONKERS RIGHT – THE US

    The US has one property party with two right wings, says Gore Vidal.

    Outside the US the terms left and right have generally agreed meanings. Inside the US that meaning has been deliberately skewed.

    Europe has Marxist-Leninists, Trotskyites and Maoists on the (far) left. It has Socialists on the left. It has Labour just left of the middle. It has Social-Democrats in the middle. Then Christian Democrats on the right. It has Conservatives on the (far) right. Then there are the (US) Democrats and Republicans on the (very far) right. And Margaret Thatcher. Mussolini is just beside her with ‘her greatest achievement’ – Tony Bliar’s New Labour.

    Adolf Hitler is lined up right beside (HA!) the Neo-Cons. Just east of Mussolini and Margaret Thatcher. The (ultra-far) right.

    Notice where the Democrats and Republicans are. Six inches apart and off the scale for any hope of governing, were they in Europe. They would be right beside Jean-Marie Le Pen in France and Jorg Haider in Austria; would be fascists.

    Why would you care, you say? Imagine that you grew up and were ‘educated’ to believe that between the Democrats and Republicans is the ‘middle ground’. You would have no clue that you had been steered to regard the far right as ‘moderate’ and ‘normal.’ Consider that ‘education’ the Neo-Con Nazi political pedophile grooming of children – namely YOU.

    To a European, this is self-evident. As obvious as night and day. But in the US – as rare as hen’s teeth.

    TORTURE – NOW A US REICH-WING FAMILY VALUE

    US – Addams Family Values – “Don’t torture yourself Gomez. That’s my job!” –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUBCvK39Vzo#t=00m48s

  17. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella)

    18 Feb, 2013 - 12:43 am

    “Let’s have some intellectual rigour” wrote “Doug Scorgie”.

    Coming from him, that’s more than a trifle rich.

    PS – hey Dougie, you recently accused me of having an agenda. I asked you to tell me what you thought it was. Of course you remained silent.

    PPS – have you got off your backside yet and found the passages in those political memoirs and accounts referring to the use of behavorial pyschologists by political parties?

    ******

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  18. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 Feb, 2013 - 12:45 am

    “To a European, this is self-evident. As obvious as night and day. But in the US – as rare as hen’s teeth.”

    Too many teeth in that argument. Torture is not accepted, but remote warfare is the balm of Gilead for those tired of seeing coffins returning home. The Public supports drones because of the antiseptics, but they don’t approve of killing citizens. The electorate is lazy and proffers their allegiance to those who can exempt them from day-to-day bizness of keeping them safe. That fact makes them similar to other national citizenry who only concern themselves with the narcissism of detachment; that is, the daily congress of living their lives without fear, I don’t think your National segregation of principled living has any congress within or without the national borders of the US.

  19. Richard – more specific link: http://archive.org/details/cus_2008-01-21_speaker_craig-murray

    Craig – is Oxford Union going to post your speech at Sam Adams Awards? Maybe I missed it.

  20. US EMPIRE ‘POLITICAL PEDOPHILE GROOMING’ – 2

    TORTURE – NOW A US REICH-WING FAMILY VALUE

    US Empire (Neo-Con?) Nazism made mainstream by ‘Biggus Dickus,’ (of Wome on the Potomac) — Big Oil tool and US Torture promoter – brought to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Aden, Syria, Egypt, Uzbekistan, Poland, Lithuania and many, many more —

    – “You lucky bastard” – Monty Python – Life of Brian –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI7p2p1QJI#t=00m34s

    EUROPE

    Where then is sane? Europe – A progressive land of milk and honey, where the crazy right wing is ‘Norwegian conservative guy’ @ 1.20. Excepting US Empire Neo-Con Nazi Quisling ‘Bonkers’ Breivik, naturally. (*) –

    – From Michael Moore’s Sicko –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svSUCbClg8E

    (*) ‘Norway’s Terror as Systemic Destabilization: Breivik, the Arms-for-Drugs Milieu, and Global Shadow Elites,’ by Peter Dale Scott, 22nd August, 2012 – Japan Focus –

    http://japanfocus.org/-Peter_Dale-Scott/3590

    Peter Dale Scott –

    http://www.peterdalescott.net/q.html

  21. “The notion that the SWP are cheerleaders for imperialism is one of the most absurd things I’ve ever heard…”

    I have very little knowledge of what the SWP says on a day to day basis. And little interest either, given that the organisation is designed to project the opinions of a tiny, and self perpetuating elite who run the show according to the principles of “democratic centralism.”

    On the other hand it is quite clear that, in both Syria and Libya, the SWP took the same side as NATO, Israel the Saudis et al. At one stage it might have been reasonable, though in my view mistaken, to have taken the alleged threat of a massacre in Benghazi as justifying some sort of intervention. But it very soon became evident that NATO and its Arab League friends had no interest at all in the well being of Libyans and that what was being called a “revolution” was just another colour coded front for imperialist aggression.
    And the situation in Syria is very similar.
    My own view is that the SWP acted as a “cheerleader” in these wars not out of malice (though in any similarly structured group there is always a very good chance that undercover agents are exercising influence) but out of the sort of idiocy that is inevitable in a group in which 99 out of a hundred members sell papers, contribute money and follow orders and those who give orders have no fear of the consequences of idleness, stupidity or failure.
    It is surprising that, in 2013, intelligent people do not recognise that the structure of the SWP, and its ethos of deference to ‘leadership’, is pretty well bound to result not only in sordid patronage relationships between the powerful and the submissive but, more importantly, to political conservatism and impotence.

    In the greatest crisis that capitalism has ever faced, as the living standards of the people plummet, pensions evaporate, the Health Service disintegrates and the organisations of the working class are paralysed, the SWP hails the “revolution” in Aleppo and aligns itself with those elements who smear Galloway as a sexist, (because he points out that to call Assange a ‘rapist’ is ludicrous), and who, once again, find themselves on the same side as Hague and the Obama regime in calling for Assange to run the risk of being extradited, via Sweden (which has form in this area), to the US.

    The truth is that “democratic centralist” structures are environments on which police agents, adventurers and unprincipled careerists thrive. The sad record, from Stalin down, is very clear.

    Were the members of the organisation consulted, rather than informed of the “line” I have no doubt that they would have insisted on, at the least, vigorous opposition to their governments adventures in Libya and Syria, while they must have recognised not only the enormous achievements of wikileaks but also the clearly choreographed smearing of Assange in order to sabotage work which is of such importance, and which is so dangerous to imperialism.

  22. US EMPIRE ‘POLITICAL PEDOPHILE GROOMING’ – 3

    > the rump of the British hard left on this blog

    Mine is the European (very) conservative position (*). Shoulder to shoulder with Tony Benn and any other anti-fascist democrat going. Nil carborundum illegitimi. @ 1.20 –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svSUCbClg8E

    I’ll get my coat. (And /or go to the foot of our stairs? ; ) Ed.)

    UP THE US EMPIRE – AND ‘BONKERS’ BOLTON !

    Just say “Up yours” to US Empire (Neo-Con?) Nazi mass psychosis. –

    Don’t let the Seppos – and their willing helpers on this site – lead you up the garden path.

    ‘Welease Woger’ and ‘He Wanks as high as any in Wome’. A hidden ‘Bonkers’ Bolton reference? – Life of Brian –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX0XDHF3M60

    ‘Biggus Dickus’ – Life of Brian –

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8_jgiNqUc

  23. Man refuses to pay BBC licence fee on the reasonable grounds that to do so would contravene anti-terrorist legislation on funding such bodies. All too easy to predict the result of the case, I’m afraid.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-911-truth-movement-goes-to-court-in-the-uk/5323188

  24. “I’d be surprised if there was a peaceful transition to a Westminster style democracy. ”

    A Capitalist democracy in which their oil belongs to us you mean.

    Why would they want to be like us when the system they have results in a lot less people getting killed?

  25. Remarkable Vronsky, and he has a published chemistry professor and a former police intelligence analyst testifying, and tape of bbc harassing him during an interview. The Magistrate might be quite disturbed by the horrible old truth revealed.

  26. Good news: Correa has won the election in Ecuador. The wind may be blowing away from the CIA, pretty much everywhere south of the US border.

    Meanwhile in Oxford, ‘legal’ considerations cause the Oxford Union trustees to welcome a war criminal at the same time as they object to inviting someone who is being persecuted by war criminals.

    Who’s giving the legal advice? Daniel Bethlehem?

    To be precise, we’re talking here about the trustees of OLDUT – the Oxford Literary and Debating Union Charitable Trust, which owns the buildings in which the Oxford Union operates.

    Here are the trustees’ names:

    Lord Heseltine
    Sir Jeremy Lever
    Peter Jay
    Michael Beloff
    Jeremy Catto
    Thomas Seaman
    Michael Soole
    Rev Christopher Lewis
    Louis Bagshaw
    Victoria Schofield
    Fraser Campbell

    Their contact man is Malcolm Bacchus, accountant, of Telegraph Hill and Baccma Consulting.

    Bacchus is also the contact man for the Mitsubishi UFJ Trust Foundation, of which the declared role is to support the work of OLDUT. Their trustees are

    William Hague
    Lord Butler
    Jeremy Lever
    Michael Ancram
    Peter Tapsell
    Akio Utsumi
    Haruko Fukuda
    Kazuhiko Kuguchi
    Toru Matsuda
    Takehiro Kohara
    Takamasa Hisada
    Hisakata Isomura

  27. Sky News were reporting Correa’s win with a 60% share of the vote but unbelivably, or perhaps believably, repeated that line from the BBC, But critics accuse Mr Correa of being a dictator in the making.

    The first item in their bulletin was about Lieberman arriving at court on fraud charges. They even mentioned that he had emigrated to Israel from Russia but omitted mention of his earlier persona as nightclub bouncer and then manager. They said that Netanyahu wants Lieberman back in the Knesset. I bet he does.

    ‘On 13 December 2012, a CNN breaking news blog post stated that the Israeli Justice Ministry had decided to only charge him with breach of trust and fraud, and not the more serious witness tampering and money laundering corruption charges.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avigdor_Lieberman

    Both news items were satisfying to hear.

    PS If anyone else here has been ‘up’ at Oxford, did they come across the Habakkuk Room at Jesus College? LOL

    http://www.jesus.ox.ac.uk/visitors/habakkuk-room

    It was named after Sir John Habakkuk, latterly Principal of the College. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Habakkuk I see he was in the FCO early on in his career.

    For good measure http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1413579/Sir-John-Habakkuk.html

  28. It’s a shame that Cameron’s big push on India has coincided with the 24 hour NUJ strike at the BBC. All those harpies are missing and those presenters from the night time World Service are being employed.

    Agent Cameron, instead of attending to the dire state of the home country, is out in Mumbai with a huge contingent of businessmen and others including embedded reporters as usual. He was seen speaking in the HQ of Hindustan Unilever Ltd under their banner and with serried ranks of their employees in the background wearing their company lanyards and badges.

    When he had finished, he asked them for questions. Oops. The first was a young lady asking why it was so difficult for a student wishing to study at a British university to obtain a visa. Cameron had just been boasting about our universities.

    Shame about the bribes scandal too. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/02/18/uk-britain-india-cameron-idUKBRE91H00120130218

  29. Well spotted there N_ When I saw the name – Louis Bagshaw, I thought it was a misspelt Louise Bagshawe, aka Louise Mensch!

    OLDUT also have control over whom is invited to speak.

    http://www.cherwell.org/news/college/2011/07/17/union-to-clear-guest-speakers-with-trustees

    When you run through the names of notable speakers on the Wikipedia page for the Union, you see a miscellany of all sorts of war criminals and their associates.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_Union#Notable_speakers

  30. OMG! It is Louise Bagshawe, aka Louise Mencsh! She gets/got everywhere.

    OXFORD LITERARY AND DEBATING UNION CHARITABLE TRUST

    THE ADVANCEMENT OF EDUCATION WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF OXFORD BY THE PROVISION OF DEBATES AND THE MAINTENANCE OF LIBRARY AND READING ROOM FACILITIES

    http://opencharities.org/charities/270292

  31. Mary

    Exactly – it was their clearance of who is to speak under which they kept threatening to ban the Assange speech, unless a variety of increasingly onerous conditions were met. They then became increasingly disruptive of the video link.

    Hell, I guess I have to do a full post on it.

  32. Craig: please get real. The ethnicity of the president of the Oxford Union may not be irrelevant to the president of the Oxford Union herself. She grew up in Herzliya, on territory occupied in 1948. Going by the article in the Jewish Chronicle, she appears to be a Zionist. The reason I say this is because they were obviously suggesting that she was a Zionist, but I haven’t been able to find anywhere where she has corrected that suggestion. She might have corrected it if it wasn’t true. Being a Zionist doesn’t, of course, mean that she is Jewish, just as being of Jewish extraction doesn’t make someone a Zionist. Many foreign businessmen and diplomats live in Herzliya, so perhaps she is a non-Jewish helper of Zionist interests, like Jimmy Savile?

  33. Meanwhile, over at Cambridge, they have Sir Richard Dearlove i/c. Another you could not make it up.

    The Trustees – The Board of Trustees, currently chaired by Sir Richard Dearlove, is responsible for overseeing the long-term development of the Union’s finances and property. Whilst the Trustees are not intimately involved with the day-to-day running of the Society, they maintain ultimate legal responsibility for the organization, its assets and status as a registered charity.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Union_Society

    Board of Trustees
    ■Sir Richard Dearlove KCMG OBE (Chairman)
    ■Dr Nigel Brown OBE
    ■Mr Andy Swarbrick FCA
    ■Dr Nigel Yandell
    ■Mr Nick Heath FRICS
    ■The Hon Daniel Janner QC
    ■Janet Turner QC
    ■Austin Mahler, President Michaelmas 2012

    The current President is Ben Kentish.
    http://www.cus.org/members/running-your-union/whos-who

  34. No need Craig. It is quite clear from what you wrote above.

    I was involved in heated negotiations with the Oxford Union on the transmission of Assange’s address, against attempts not by the students but by the Board of Trustees to block it “on legal grounds”. These conversations were not pleasant. When Assange’s address was finally put out, the sound was completely messed up and remained so for a fortnight, with this comment from the Oxford Union posted underneath:

    “Thanks for your feedback. We are aware there are issues with the audio when playing on mobile devices and we are working on getting this fixed as quickly as possible. The audio can be heard on desktops or with headphones on laptops.”

    PS Hope the party was good.

  35. Oops, sorry – those ‘e’s went missing from Bagshawe aka Mensch’s name!

    Is Daniel Janner any relation to Greville?

    Richard Dearlove at Cambridge. LOL! Control the questions to control the answers. Dearlove is Master of Pembroke College. So the Cambridge Union won’t be debating who killed Princess Diana when he was the SIS Operations Director, then? :)

  36. @Ex Pat – thanks for the reference to Peter Dale Scott’s stuff on the Breivik massacre. I would really like to read it. Unfortunately it seems to be available only in audio. I can’t be alone in preferring to read stuff, which is much quicker and much more active!

  37. KRF
    Iran:”The Westernised middle class resent not being able to date girls and chat freely in coffee shops (coffee shops in Teheran now have cameras to ensure unrelated people of opposite sex don’t meet – check the story of the Cafe Prague in Teheran: recently closed down because it refused to spy on its customers)”

    The whole of the Arab Spring has been engineered to achieve the same result at the tacky hands of the Muslim Brotherhood. But the plan is not to legislate for un-Islamic behaviour in public places, which in my opinion would be perfectly legitimate for an Islamic state if everyone knows the rules and the consequences of disobeying them, but unbelievably before the IT revolution, to monitor Muslims’ personal human weaknesses in their own homes and bedrooms.

    That is why the dictators have been disbanded, because the mind-control Mullahs have the whole force of Shari’ah to judge events which previously were private. Looking through the keyhole is completely forbidden in Islam. For example. The state will now be able to prosecute a Muslim for stroking his dog in his own house, not just for walking a dog in a public place where it may intimidate other Muslims. OK Islam says that it’s not allowed to stroke the dog, but to use the illegal spying device to monitor un-Islamic activity makes a mockery of the whole set up.

    As I have repeatedly suggested, the last time that Islam came within the orbit of the West, at the time of the Enlightenment, when it was Islamic knowledge that was bringing daylight into Medieval mass ignorance, the Zionists of the day, like Calvin, countered the Islamic glow with Puritanism which in turn was blasted off the planet with all its religious observance and self-righteous persecution along with all the good Islamic influences.

    The present media caricature of Islam with which we are all familiar, i.e. the Taliban excesses or the mad mullahs of Iran and the future Muslim Brotherhood Middle-East will in their minds achieve the same result as Puritanism in the past. If you want to de-grease wool you mix it with earth and wash it with detergent. If you want to de-Islamise a society you first have to give it freedom, then rinse it with spying. The techniques of de-Islamising societies is an ancient Satanic science, not something invented yesterday by a few expired neo-cons like Bolton and Bush.

  38. N, 10.05am

    You’ll enjoy this. Sir Richard Dearlove being taken down over Wikileaks during his own address to the Cambridge Union Society. Those pesky students (erm, I mean Love Police)!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OITB0VOYkEA

  39. KarimovaRevengeFantasist

    18 Feb, 2013 - 12:37 pm

    @CE
    Thanks for your compliment. Yes, the regime in Iran can’t survive without invoking a common enemy, which is perhaps the reason why it can never re-establish diplomatic relations with the USA. That fact may be the reason why it is difficult to build trust between the two countries, and without trust it becomes difficult to believe there isn’t another agenda behind Iran’s civil nuclear energy project. Burying vast numbers of centrifuges capable of making far more enriched uranium than is necessary to make medical isotopes at Fordow under a mountain at vast expense when the stuff can be bought from abroad much cheaper, but in a form that can’t be diverted to bomb-making, of course doesn’t help). I expect one of the reasons the regime is so tough on Muslims who convert is that it can be seen as a form of political protest, when a feature of controlling the behaviour of the population is the requirement to obey the leadership’s interpretation of the religion. Sorry, I’ve gone on too much blasting this blog with my thoughts.

    @Doug Scorgie
    On the issue of Iranian lying.

    As I’ve said it is not a reason to dislike Iranians; it is not unique to them; it is not necessarily a problem (it is not their fault – they have to be devious to survive under the dictatorial regimes of all the types they’ve had?). I don’t cite any examples: I just lived and worked there for year that straddled the revolution (saw two countries for the price of one). Other people put it in a more diplomatic way and suggest you have to interpret everything Iranians tell you. In a memorable interview the Swiss ambassador to Iran said on CNN when talking about what it was like to be hauled into the Foreign Ministry and shouted at, she said they don’t always tell you everything: you have to interpret things and this makes the job more interesting. You might think Switzerland is insignificant, but this ambassador, remember, has to manage the USA relationship with Teheran within the context of the Swiss relationship. She is no dummy. It was one of the most amusing interviews I’ve seen: without calling the Iranians liars, she managed to convey that impression very well indeed, and she did it without insulting Iranians (very clever – a very impressive interview). Another example is that it is very rare for (establishment?) journalists to call somebody a liar. Marie Colvin, the American reporter who worked for the Times in Syria did call Bashar Al-Assad a liar (that is my point about it not being a problem unique to Iran). Sarkozy famously called Netanyahu a liar (I think I believe Sarkozy’s assessment). It all just chimes with my personal experience in Iran. I can’t be more scientific about it than that.

    The unfair treatment of Iran compared with Israel, Pakistan, India and North Korea

    This is a point I sympathise with Iranians on. The justification for Israel having a nuclear bomb I suppose is that they have a right to exist, and if the most cost effective way of defending their small population (they can’t have a big army?) is to have a nuclear deterrent then who am I to say they shouldn’t have it: Israel would be an unviable economy with a larger army? The fact they are an open society (unlike Iran) and therefore are unlikely to behave irresponsibly (the leadership is fully accountable to its electors: there is little press censorship there?) makes me think it is okay. The fact some Israeli citizens are Persian Jews also reassures me on that point (Persian Jews probably speak Farsi, and so they won’t want their Government attacking Iran without good reason). Iran however, is not an open society, and it does have press censorship (Iranian journalists in London have had their families in Iran threatened). Iran is simply not a fit country to have a nuclear weapon, at least while the current regime is in place. The Indian and Pakistani governments can be held to account by their electorate, so I am less concerned about those.

    The “Iran has never declared war on anyone before” argument

    This is true, but changing just a few of the words to “never attacked anyone before” of course changes the answer if you think Iran had a hand in the Beirut barracks bombing or the blowing up of the Argentine Jewish Centre, (I don’t know if it did, if I am honest). The dogma the Iranian leadership seeks to preserve of “West is evil, the Islamic Republic is right about everything” is not unlike the Animal Farm slogan of four legs good, two legs bad. The Iranian leadership does not have a very nuanced understanding of the world outside Iran (except on how to annoy the West to maximum effect with minimal effort and how to play on differences between the allies: they are very smart at that, and that is why I think they are likely to test our willingness to use force.

    And it is true that Iranians have justifiable grievances against the West (I think I’ve already dealt with Mossadegh and Anglo-Persian oil) but a particularly bad one was the shooting down of an Iranian airliner full of pilgrims flying over a US warship in the Persian Gulf a long time ago. I haven’t followed that story nor the one about all the Iranian assets belonging to the Shah’s regime that are still in the West. All these problems are probably still unresolved.

    I am not that stupid to think Iran will attack Israel or the West on the basis of the unresolved business outstanding that needs to be sorted out – the Iranian leadership seems too clever for that (even though its quality of decision making on the economy is abominable: scarce resources used to chase transfer payments e.g. access to dollars at a privileged exchange rate, manipulated business environment to favour businesses which are connected to the regime (I sometimes think of Khamenei as a CEO with a sideline in religion), regressive “taxation” (food price inflation) of the poor to pay for nuclear grandstanding and impressing the Arab man in the street) but I do think their strategy is to use their wealth to cause us the maximum of problems for the least cost – and getting to be one screw turn away from having a nuclear bomb fits in with that strategy – at a later date when they are stronger (when they decide to make the final screw-turn?), they would want a permanent seat on the UN security council (Shia under representation + possession of nuclear bomb would be the reasons: reasons which are hard to object to?), they would seek to destroy the economic viability of Israel (not something of concern to me personally but it just seems unfair on a common sense basis) (Avner Cohen in a debate with Karim Sadjadpour strongly denied this was Israel’s fear, which only makes me think this is what Israel really does fear) and I presume Iran would, as it gets stronger, use its malign influence elsewhere against us. Are these fears justified? No, precisely because we have got them in check with the sanctions for now. Didn’t chess originate in Iran? It feels like we are playing chess with them. Anyway, I don’t expect I’ve converted anyone to my views (not academic enough evidence presented). However, if you think the Iranian leadership likes having its dogma de-constructed and all its contradictions exposed (e.g. temporary marriages to cover up prostitution? Torturing Sattar Beheshti, a blogger, to death to maintain obedience to the religion to give everyone a better after-life?) by Western leaders and that Iran is not going to hit back for showing it insufficient respect, you’ve got to be kidding: they are itching to hurt us any way they can. They are a proud people with much more history than we have, and their culture deserves a lot of respect, but the leadership’s dogma: it deserves none. Just my view.

    P.S. For an example of how hard it is to de-construct the sort of garbage they can come out with some times, try explaining to an Iranian why any pop group of your choice didn’t make their music to undermine Iranian youth. You can tell them the Bee Gees wouldn’t have had Iranian youth on their minds when they made their songs, but short of hours of explaining lots of things about Western culture it is hard to convince them. I remember struggling with that one.

  40. I like the attribution there Arbed. Thank goodness there were subtitles as I could not hear what he was saying. I guess he did not know he was being filmed.

    Uploaded on 19 Mar 2011
    This video was removed by the Cambridge Union Society and the total cunt known as Sir Richard Dearlove from the Love Police channel because it violated their copyright (or should I say copyspite).

    COPYRIGHT NOTE: I claim Fair Use under US and UK law for the Journalistic reporting of current news events. Any copyright in the verbal/visible content issued by the asshole scumbag known as Sir Richard Dearlove or by Cambridge Union Society is hereby grudgingly credited to them. Big thanks to the Love Police for actually creating the audio/visual content. Any DMCA bullshit from the Union or Dearlove should be treated with contempt, legal action may be taken if they choose to use the DMCA mechanism fraudulently and we will have some fun at court and with the media.

    and this comment

    saagua1953 1 year ago
    Imagine Dearlove being Master of Pembroke! The SHAME for Cambridge U of that. When I discovered this just yesterday, I immediately revoked the large bequest to Cambridge in my will. I would not give a penny to a place where Dearlove is in an important position.

    ~~~~
    From all appearances, he dines well!

  41. After this Cock up in Vienna in 2000, nobody in the US can possibly claim to be innocent.

    Thing is, Iran did not take the bait and yes, they did discover that the blueprint had some false connection in it. But they handed it back, to the UN I believe.
    http://cryptome.org/0001/cia-merlin.htm

    Doug’s reply to Karimova’s R.F. sounds about right. John Bolton’s Yale education makes him only more dangerous than others, arguably his worst trait is his Lutheran fundamentalism, he is not one to bare the other cheek, indeed as Tony Benn so rightly pointed out, he, despite being trained as a soldiers, ‘did not want to die in a Vietnam rice paddy’, he’s all mouth and agitation, but when it comes down to it, he bottles out, a draft dodger and manipulator.

    John Bolton ought to realise that it is the US who has used nuclear weapons in anger and has developed many more, it tested more devices than any other country.

    It is also the US who uses nuclear proliferation, or WMD’s as an argument, a lever to create chaotic division and control over resources, neocon neo-colonialism for what others own.

    Mali is the latest victim, an unstable country under a junta, with arms everywhere, uranium, gold and oil, what magnetising interest we have in Mali indeed. It is also central to other key states rich and ‘threatened’ by terrorists who want nothing more than to control their own resources, by means of using a religious tool.

    For all those who like to see how much Bolton has lied to vilify Iran/Persia and is shekel’ed to false vicious slander and regular false information blow offs, against a country that has not attacked anybody for 250 years, from one warmonger to a peaceful nation.

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/docs/iran-nuclear-analysis.html

    That said Iran has got some serious judicial problems, its foreign arm, namely Hezbullah are now established in their own right, as elected MP’s in Lebanon, so Iran has lost some levers, but feels obliged to not disband it. ever.

  42. Why should anyone listen to anything the US says about nuclear security when they contract out the security over their own nuclear weapons, as well as over their own civilian nuclear installations, to Israelis?

  43. To an Israeli company called Magal Security Systems, to be precise.

  44. The other good news today.

    4 hrs Hugo Chávez Frías‏@chavezcandanga

    Sigo aferrado a Cristo y confiado en mis médicos y enfermeras. Hasta la victoria siempre!! Viviremos y venceremos!!!

    4 hrsHugo Chávez Frías‏@chavezcandanga

    Gracias a Fidel, a Raúl y a toda Cuba!! Gracias a Venezuela por tanto amor!!!

    4 hrsHugo Chávez Frías‏@chavezcandanga

    Hemos llegado de nuevo a la Patria venezolana. Gracias Dios mío!! Gracias Pueblo amado!! Aquí continuaremos el tratamiento.

    https://twitter.com/chavezcandanga
    Hugo Chavez’s tweet was the first indication he had returned home.

  45. N_ In answer to your question
    Is Daniel Janner any relation to Greville?

    Daniel Janner, of 36 Essex Street, has not followed his father Greville Janner MP into the Labour party but runs the policy research team for the Society of Conservative Lawyers.
    http://www.thelawyer.com/election-97-manoeuvres-on-the-inside-track/98416.article

    Greville Janner is an arch supporter of Israel, a member of Labour Friends of Israel and uses every opportunity he can find to speak for Israel in Parliament, first as an MP and now in the Lords. In this short debate, the Israel lovers pretend to be onside for peace and love between Jew and Arab and for a two state solution! The debate is dominated by them.
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/lords/?id=2013-02-07a.423.0

    His father Sir Barnett was chairman of the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and a son in law is Amos Oz. A daughter is a Rabbi.

  46. Mary

    In relation to Diana, the last thing we need are more “debates” regarding absurd conspiracy theories.

  47. Not me guv! I am not N_

    N_
    18 Feb, 2013 – 10:05 am
    Oops, sorry – those ‘e’s went missing from Bagshawe aka Mensch’s name!

    Is Daniel Janner any relation to Greville?

    Richard Dearlove at Cambridge. LOL! Control the questions to control the answers. Dearlove is Master of Pembroke College. So the Cambridge Union won’t be debating who killed Princess Diana when he was the SIS Operations Director, then?

  48. A Q&A with John Pilger.

    Q 6. As you look forward, what do you think are the prospects for a more serious flow of critical, visionary, content to wide audiences? What steps do you think might permit and generate that either by an improved alternative media – or by a mainstream media forced to do better, even against its own purposes and logic?

    The so-called mainstream media will never contradict its own logic. It is an extension of established authority; it is not, as Edmund Burke wanted us to believe: a “fourth estate”. But it’s not monolithic. I have worked all my career in the mainstream. I’ve done this by expending a huge amount of energy in maintaining my place, and fighting my corner. It has been often and literally a struggle, but in time I learned to navigate through and sometimes around institutions. Learning to navigate is critical for young, principled journalists.

    What we need urgently is a “fifth estate” that challenges the autocracy of the corporate media, that includes and gives voice to the public, that mounts an invasion of institutions — TV, newspapers, media colleges — calling on journalists and their teachers to drop their defensiveness and promoting another way of seeing and working. In practical terms, we should be working to create publicly funded organisations that provide seed money to new, independent journalistic ventures. This has enjoyed success in Scandinavia.

    and 9 and 10

    9. Again, looking forward, how do you think we might do better, in the period ahead?

    If by “we” you mean ordinary people, we have no choice but to keep standing up, to keep informing others and organising, and not to allow a mutated “popular culture” or hi-jacked issues of “identity” and “self” deflect us into believe that consumerist lifestyle is real change.

    10. What would international relations be like, say fifty years in the future – not country by country but in terms of general relationships – if it was as it ought to be?

    Mike, I’m not and have never been a futurist. I predict badly; however, I’m confident that if we remain silent while the US war state, now rampant, continues on its bloody path, we bequeath to our children and grandchildren a world with an apocalyptic climate, broken dreams of a better life for all and, as the unlamented General Petraeus put it, a state of “perpetual war”. Do we accept that or do we fight back?
    ~~~

    Hear! Hear!

    http://www.zcommunications.org/the-view-from-the-ground-by-john-pilger

  49. KarimovaRevengeFantasist

    18 Feb, 2013 - 2:11 pm

    @Doug SCorgie

    “People in Iran suffer terrible interference in their lives from higher up officialdom.” [Examples pleas]

    80 coffee shops closed down in one district of Teheran in one weekend

    “They really have to mind their Ps and Qs, [sic] otherwise you end up being tortured in Evin” Examples please]

    Mrs Sotoudeh (Shirin Ebadi’s lawyer). Also the Iranian lawyer who fled to Norway who defended the lady sentenced to death by stoning. Sattar Behesti (blue collar worker who criticised Khamenei on his blog) tortured to death. The new finger chopping machine certainly inteferes with thieves ability to rehabilitate and earn a living honestly.

    ”A lot of the hangings are not for what the sentence was that was passed.”[sic] [Examples please]

    I have no evidence on this, but the number of hangings for drugs is suspiciously large. A country which does not follow due process, which has suspiciously fast trials, which does not always grant access to lawyers, which does not inform the embassy of the country of the arrested person and which imprisons lawyers who do their job too well of defending dissident clients is unlikely to be too fussed about hanging people on false charges. One technique they use is to make charges very vague. A disturbing hanging was the case of the Dutch Iranian national who took part in the Green protests. She was hanged for cocaine possession: why would a Dutch person want to take a South American drug to Iran? It seems a bit odd. The Dutch embassy was not kept informed. Then there was the case of the Canadian Iranian photographer who died from torture in prison. The Iranians do not recognise dual nationality. I think it reasonable to assume they are not too fussed how they get rid of awkward people. Hanging people for drugs may dull some Western people’s scepticism? You may also recall the quasi judicial proceedings in London last year to look into the tens of thousands of executions in the 90s.

    “The courts are not independent:” [justify that comment]
    “…quite similar to Uzbekistan in that respect…”[again justify that statement]

    One of the Larijani brothers is in charge of the judiciary. I think that says a great deal.

    ”…and of course both countries take hostages to advance their demands.”[Examples please]

    Shane Bauer etc (The 3 American hitch-hikers). Mr Levinson is still a hostage (the American who disappeared on Kish Island). The British sailors.

    “Iran can’t even obey the Vienna Convention on Diplomats let alone be trusted on anything else.” [Vienna Convention references please].

    1979 Commercial Section of the British Embassy attacked.
    1979 Seizure of the US embassy
    2012 Attack on British embassy
    There was also a Russian poet/ambassador killed in the 19th century (but perhaps that was before the Vienna Convention on Diplomats?)

  50. “Daniel Janner, of 36 Essex Street, has not followed his father Greville Janner MP into the Labour party”

    He did at first. He was Labour candidate for Bosworth in the 1983 general election.

  51. My typing is so bad these days, I just got Daniel Jammer up. He is a German born Israeli multi millionaire who was swindled by the high flying Mr Levene!
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9576105/Doting-wife-loses-everything-after-acting-as-perfect-hostess-for-fraudster-Nicholas-Beano-Levene.html

    ~~~~
    Daniel Janner has also been a Tory donor influenced by his friendship with Gove.
    http://website.thejc.com/home.aspx?AId=52045&ATypeId=1&search=true2&srchstr=+%2BDANIEL+%2BJANNER+&srchtxt=0&srchhead=1&srchauthor=0&srchsandp=0&scsrch=0

  52. @ Arbed – thank for the link to the Dearlove video, which I have just watched.

    I was quite taken aback by Dearlove’s apparent stupidity. Since one market for such a speech at the Cambridge Union (albeit only one of several) is future senior SIS officers, it comes across that SIS want people who are clever, but not too clever, and above all, people who are of the right sort and feel a hatred of a very ‘superior’ sort towards those who spill the beans and rock the boats of the privileged. I mean how else can we read his oh-so-urbane venomous spew of adjectives aimed at Assange – “unwise”, “undignified”, “idiotic”? Tell us, Mr Master of Pembroke, what’s your argument there? And of course, Assange’s activities have not been “in the public interest”. As if exposing war criminals isn’t always in the general interest. As if Dearlove isn’t himself a war criminal who ought to be in the dock at the Hague. Can’t he meet his opponents’ arguments? What an arrogant pillock.

    He also tells his young audience that people have got to be stupid to think the Swedish government can be susceptible. Such people don’t “understand” how “government relations” work. What a comedian! Does he tell that to talent-spotters at Cambridge or Oxford, when they’re looking at the personal files of possible state-sector recruitment fodder from Sweden or elsewhere? Does he say ‘Yes, you’re right, that chap probably will be in the top 5 in the Swedish state within 10 years, but don’t cultivate him, because that isn’t how government relations work?’ :)

    And the head of the CIA’s London station sits on the UK Joint Intelligence Committee…and hundreds of British servicemen and women have been killed in Afghanistan and Iraq, countries with regimes which were no threat whatsoever to Britain. Dearlove knows that! He was one of the filthy creeps who helped push the lie that they were a threat.

    But of course…no government is ever subject to outside influence… Have I got that right? Do I get 10 out of 10 for not being “stupid”, Mr Dearlove?

    As for Princess Diana…never mind the line ‘don’t think about that, because there are so many theories’. Cars don’t disappear into thin air in one of the most surveilled areas in the world. Nor do people with huge levels of carbon monoxide poisoning appear unaffected on video footage. That Princess Diana was murdered is obvious…oh no, look out, Daniel, some of those ‘conspiracy theories’ are swooping down to get you…best warn people about them! :)

  53. Jonangus Mackay

    18 Feb, 2013 - 3:34 pm

    Lest we forget. Greville Janner MP, QC was subject of extremely grave allegations in a notorious Midlands court case widely enough reported in 1991. No obvious impediment to his being made Lord Janner in 1997. Confess myself as baffled into cynicism now as I was then. Google’s topmost & detailed link on the topic suffers a loony surfeit of capitals: http://is.gd/iGONsQ

  54. Who funds Femen? Jed Sunden is one name.

    Their activity is inscribed into conflicts involving Russian Orthodoxy in Russia (see Boris Berezovsky), Orthodoxy outside of Russia, including in the Ukraine and Turkey, and also the Roman Catholicism and divisions therein, in both western Europe and, through gay marriage, the United States.

    That’s quite a punch.

    Presbyterians, you’re next! (Joke!)

    They seem to get their visas sorted out very quickly. I wonder how long it would take most other Ukrainians to get themselves to Notre Dame in Paris if they, oh, if they wanted to take their tops off for the cameras because a pope had announced his abdication, or something like that.

    Have Femen done anything against any other religions than Christianity (which seems to be their favourite target) and occasionally Islam (with such slogans as “Muslim women, let’s get naked”, which doesn’t exactly strike me as a ‘liberatory’ slogan of solidarity with their ‘sisters’).

  55. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 Feb, 2013 - 4:22 pm

    I’d heard he was running, but didn’t know it was part of his strategy….

    “WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange regards his bid to become an Australian senator as a defense against potential criminal prosecution in the United States and Britain, a news website reported on Monday.

    Assange spoke to The Conversation website at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London where he was granted asylum in June to avoid extradition to Sweden on sex crime allegations.

    If he wins a Senate seat at elections on Sept. 24, Assange told the website that the U.S. Department of Justice would drop its espionage investigation rather than risk a diplomatic row.

    The British government would follow suit, otherwise “the political costs of the current standoff will be higher still,”Assange told the website.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/report-assange-sees-legal-defense-politics-18526280

  56. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 Feb, 2013 - 4:35 pm

    In light of an ailing Chavez, Correa is emerging as the dominant voice. I fear for him and his people.

    “”In this revolution the citizens are in charge, not capital,” the leftist U.S.-trained economist said after winning 56.9 percent of the vote Sunday against 23.8 percent for his closest challenger, longtime banker Guillermo Lasso.”

    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/18/17002500-ecuadors-triumphant-correa-vows-to-deepen-citizens-revolution-following-landslide?lite

    Traditional Capitalism, which holds a gun to our heads, is dying just as the failed Soviet experiment.

    We visited Grand Canyon last week. Theodore Roosevelt is not your typical Republican. Thanks to his efforts, this indescribably awesome venue was saved from commercialism in the early 20th century, and thrives with over a million visitors every year. Where has the long-term vision gone?

  57. “Shane Bauer etc (The 3 American hitch-hikers). Mr Levinson is still a hostage (the American who disappeared on Kish Island). The British sailors.”

    But there is no evidence that Mr Levinson is in Iran, there is evidence he isn’t. The Americans who strayed onto Iranian territory seem to have faired a lot better than many inmates of Guantanamo who were plucked out of their own countries by America and taken there.

    As for the British sailors who went into Iranian territorial waters, I’d hardly call being kept in a hotel for a few days being held hostage.

    In each case they went into Iranian territory, not like those from Afhanistan and Pakistan who have been kidnapped by America and held without trial for years, including four Iranians. There was no illegal rendition involved.

    As for the rest you seem overly occupied by the internal matters of Iran. As how repulsive and unnatural we in the west might find them they are a matter for the Iranians. You will notice that when I criticise America it is for the things they do to other countries.

  58. doug scorgie

    18 Feb, 2013 - 5:12 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella)
    18 Feb, 2013 – 12:43 am

    You say:

    “…hey Dougie, you recently accused me of having an agenda. I asked you to tell me what you thought it was. Of course you remained silent.”

    Yes I think you do have an agenda which is to disrupt this blog with your nit-picking and childish abuse of other posters.

    You don’t address the issues, which are discussed in this blog, in an intellectual and logical manner. Possibly, because you are right-wing and as such have an aversion to the truth, you rely on spin and fiction.

    Then you say:

    “…have you got off your backside yet and found the passages in those political memoirs and accounts referring to the use of behavorial pyschologists [sic] by political parties?”

    You are the one that first referred to the existence of such books but you refuse to name them. Why should I waste my time searching for books that don’t exist?

    If they did exist you would be shouting from the rooftops that you were right and I was wrong. I suspect your refusal to name the books in really a delaying tactic while you search yourself for a book that might back you up. It’s taking you a long time.

  59. @Ben Franklin

    And Yellowstone National Park – glorious. Get a copy of the 4 part BBC doco – excellent.

  60. HATE SPEECH AND NEWSPEAK

    Off topic by me, as usual.

    A news report tonight announced that Dutch MP Geert Wilders is coming to Australia after having been banned from entry previously. This announcement comes only days after an Australian senator, Nick Xenophon, was banned from entry into Malaysia, ostensibly for security reasons but widely reported as a restriction on his participation in discussions related to democracy in the country. The deportation of Xenophon has been roundly, and rightfully, condemned having brought into question the commitment of Malaysia’s government to transparency and genuine democracy. What is the difference between Australia banning Wilders and Malaysia banning Xenophon? Very little. Both men seek to stimulate discussion among ordinary people about important ideas that affect our ways of life and the above governments want to prevent those discussions from taking place.

    Wilders’ impending visit is being protested here and the focus of objections is on the subject matter of his speaking engagements – his warning that immigration of muslims brings a certain risk of growing Islamic domination with attendant problems. His criticism of both Islam and the behaviour of some muslims has been described as so-called “hate-speech”.

    The news report I watched showed a group of protesters with one of them saying that “hate-speech is not free-speech”. This caused me to question whether criticism of anything can be regarded as “hate-speech” and therefore disqualified from legal provisions and community attitudes that traditionally defend free speech. In otherwords, whether criticism can be selectively outlawed.

    I found the below pdf document by Benjamin Bull that seemed to connect this contemporary move to enact “hate-speech” legislation with the concept of “Newspeak” as depicted in George Orwell’s novel, 1984. This got me thinking about the relationship between language, thinking and ideas, and about the strategic manipulation of language to advance the political agendas of different segments of society. There can be no doubt that ideas and attitudes are embedded in a language and that a language influences the way we think by providing us with a symbolic framework that allows us to construct complex ideas. These ideas are often at odds with each other and competing in a process of discussion, argument and *criticism*. Without *criticism*, discussion is reduced to a banal exchange of pleasantries.

    We engage in a hell of a lot of “hate-speech” on Craig’s blog with ongoing battles that openly antagonise, *criticise*, insult and smear various commentators. To his credit, Craig has resisted occasional requests to gag some commentators who take advantage of the liberal environment that he has provided for our collective benefit. As a result of Craig’s refusal to ban “hate-speech” (apart from cunning attempts to introduce an anti-semitic tone to the blog in order to discredit it), we enjoy a level of “free speech” here that we cannot enjoy on any other popularly read website anywhere else and in the process are able to develop our understanding of big picture issues. 

    But free speech, as we know it here, is now very much under threat from certain members of society who frequently purport to knowing what is best for humanity. This politically active and well connected alliance invented the Newspeak term “hate-speech” to selectively replace the once reputable and intellectually useful word “criticism” in order to establish a form of logic that equates criticism with social unrest and thereby a justification to introduce laws that stifle public discussion. I don’t think that’s right. In fact, I know it to be wrong.

    I personally don’t need Geert Wilder to inform me of the socio-political implications of muslim immigration. But others might. I despair at the puzzling ignorance and emotional reactions of otherwise intelligent and educated people whenever *criticism* is made of an ideology to which they are not subscribers. And then the hypocrisy they display when they spew genuine hatred for supporters of certain political ideas.

    Let’s keep speech free.

    –  –  –

    Orwell, Newspeak, Christianity, Homosexuality, Islam, Geert Wilders
    http://congresomundial.es/wp-content/uploads/Benjamin-Bull-hate-speech.pdf

    Wilders might be prosecuted for hate speech in Australia –
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/protests-likely-as-controversial-dutch-mp-geert-wilders-changes-venue/story-fnat79vb-1226580212001

    Australian Senator banned from entry into Malaysia – 
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-17/xenophon-home-after-malaysia-deportation/4523506

    Transcript of Wilders’ interview with ABC Lateline’s Tony Jones (who misdescribed Indonesia)
    http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php/in-english-mainmenu-98/in-the-press-mainmenu-101/77-in-the-press/1821-geert-wilders-interview-at-abc-lateline-australia

    A new way of speaking for a new way of thinking – 
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

  61. Mary,

    I think, having watched the video, it is very likely Dearlove knows not only that he is being filmed but also exactly where the covert camera is. If you watch it closely enough there are enough clues. And no I’m not a spook last time I checked :-)

    I could guess further that he knew that the lady handing out leaflets at the beginning (and who asked the question at the end) was connected to those filming. Heck he probably even knows their names. The mysterious 5 minute delay mentioned at the start might even be connected but that’s a guess. I’d put money on him knowing where the camera was though. Not too much money perhaps but I think it would be worth a tenner.

  62. Ben Franklin: The Grand Canyon is the one place that quite literally took my breathe away – it left me gasping for air upon seeing it for the first time. The scale of it takes a few moments to take in – you look at it, and think you’ve understood the size of it. Then you realise it actually goes on a lot further than first thought… then realise it goes much, much further still.

    Did you make it down to the river? Heck of a walk, that. Did it with a gallon of water in each hand, didn’t want to take any chances.

    As Jemand said, Yellowstone is also a spectacular place to visit.

  63. @ N_ 10.16 am.

    See text – ‘D.435’ –

    ‘Norway’s Terror as Systemic Destabilization: Breivik, the Arms-for-Drugs Milieu, and Global Shadow Elites,’ by Peter Dale Scott, 22nd August, 2012 – Japan Focus –

    http://japanfocus.org/-Peter_Dale-Scott/3590

    It is actually linked from Peter Dale Scott’s politics page – the second ‘Breivik’ link – ‘D.435.’ The first is audio – ‘A.66.’

    A man who identifies his links by code number. Now there’s a dedicated information warrior!

    Peter Dale Scott –

    http://www.peterdalescott.net/q.html

  64. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 Feb, 2013 - 7:21 pm

    Glenn; Haven’t seen you in a while. No, didn’t make it down to the River. My partner and I both have bad knees, but will return for the Mule trip. Carlsbad Caverns (New Mexico) is next on our game plan. I last saw Yellowstone in 1967. It’s on our bucket list. Have you been to Yosemite?
    It also rocks. Each venue needs to be visited for a week, to be sure you see everything.

    The National Park system is truly a gift for everyone, but try to stay away in the summer. It’s like putting several dozen kidneys in just one pie.

    Jemand; Thanks for the BBC tip.

  65. Anon @ 6.59pm

    And he and his lot know who we are and where we live in all probability.

    ~~~~

    I read this the other day about Google planning to cut funding to illegal download sites in collaboration with Visa, Mastercard and PayPal.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/9875339/Google-looks-to-cut-funds-to-illegal-sites.htmle

    You remember that donations to Wikileaks were stopped in the same way.

  66. Ben: Good to see you again too. Carlsbad Caverns was also pretty spectacular! There’s a campsite next to it which was a bit grim and unfriendly, but the caverns themselves are unbelievable.

    Yes – been to Yosemite several times. It might be best to see it in mid to late Spring, actually – the snow has really started to melt by then, so the waterfalls are at their best.

    Good thing that gun-grabbing communist Muslim O’Bomber has allowed everyone the freedom to take their guns into the National Parks now, eh? So these days, when you encounter a AK-47 wielding crazed jihadist coming you in these parks, all you have to do is tell the wife & kids to duck, pull out your shooting-iron, and open fire.

  67. LastBlueBell

    18 Feb, 2013 - 8:05 pm

    @Jemand 6:23pm

    Interesting post. Just one thing that struk me when reading through your thoughts, is in regard to the apparent decline in violence, and the continous expansion of what we define as “violence”, that Steven Pinker argues for in his book, “The Better Angels of Our Nature”.

    My point of connection,

    That many people today appear not to be able to differentiate an attack on an argument from an attack on the individual, and therefore view such criticism as violence against persons,

    and by that categorisation, lets the same strong underlying moral processes that has so successfully reduced the latter, to bear on the former.

    Not to in any way deny the existence, or the damages caused by the wast amounts of direct, or thinly veiled personal attacks that exist everywhere on the internet, not least on this blog.

    But in doing so, two powerfull societal forces or concepts are put in a percived direct conflict with each other, and I am wondering it this is not one of the levers used to justify encroachment into the critical foundation of “free” speech.

  68. Mary,

    For all I know you’re “retired” MI5, Craig is deep cover and I’m Oliver North and barking mad. All I can say is that cunning linguist Habbabkuk had better watch out!

    You have to laugh sometimes I try to remind myself.

  69. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 Feb, 2013 - 8:16 pm

    Glenn; Are you in the US? Yes, spring is good at Yosemite. Unfortunately we are waiting for the Hanta viral rodents to dissipate. We try to schedule a little later than Spring because of the Strawberry Music Festival which occurs twice per year. September is the best bet as the May event sometimes gets the outdoor fete some inconvenient rain. If you haven’t been to Washington State, the San Juan Islands and Deception Pass are must-sees.

  70. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 Feb, 2013 - 8:19 pm

    BTW, Glenn; On your gun thing, just an aside; We took the Grand Canyon Express from Williams, AZ, and I highly recommend. The entire state is an ‘open-carry’ and it’s funny to see ‘No Firearms’ signs outside the local pubs. Heh.

  71. Has anyone posted this by John Keane who visited Julian Assange? It is a kind and sympathetic portrayal of Julian and so vividly written, you feel you were alongside.

    http://theconversation.edu.au/lunch-and-dinner-with-julian-assange-in-prison-12234

    John Keane – http://johnkeane.net/

  72. “Good thing that gun-grabbing communist Muslim O’Bomber has allowed everyone the freedom to take their guns into the National Parks now, eh? So these days, when you encounter a AK-47 wielding crazed jihadist coming you in these parks, all you have to do is tell the wife & kids to duck, pull out your shooting-iron, and open fire.”

    Ranger Ned – So let me get this straight. The bear came after you?

    Visitor – Yes.

    Ranger Ned – And you shot him from over 300 yards away with a fully automatic military assault rifle?

    Visitor – I told you, I have a bad leg.

    Ranger Ned – And those two dead hitchikers in the back of your pickup? They came after you as well, I suppose.

    Visitor – I also have asthma. They were joggers. Yes, they came after me. They can run fast, you know.

    Ranger Ned – So you shot both of them?

    Visitor – No, I hit one in my F150 and shot the ninja.

    Ranger Ned – You mean you shot the woman in the black hijab. And ran over the old guy with the blue t-shirt.

    Visitor – Is that what ninjas call it? Yeah. She was waving her arms frantically like in those kung fu ninja movies. It was terrifying. And the guy was wearing a shirt with “I’m a Terrorist with a Large Bomb”. Terrifying.

    Ranger Ned – Actually, it says “I’m a Tourist with a Large Bum”. We sell those and other amusing items at the park giftshop.

    Visitor – It must have been his accent. Look, I told you I have asthma, it affects my hearing.

    Ranger Ned – Ok. Well, I’m going to overlook the bear and the dead hitchikers. But I’m going to have to infringe you for putting holes in my 4WD.

    Visitor – Sorry. I thought you were LAPD.

  73. @Lastbluebell 8.05p

    “.. That many people today appear not to be able to differentiate an attack on an argument from an attack on the individual, and therefore view such criticism as violence against persons,
    and by that categorisation, lets the same strong underlying moral processes that has so successfully reduced the latter, to bear on the former.”

    – – –

    I would describe it differently. True, people are so emotional and irrational that they confuse an attack on an idea with an attack on the person expressing that idea. Geert Wilders makes the distinction clear, as do I – not that anyone usually wants to acknowledge that. But interpreting speech against an ideology as violence is taking it too far. Certainly, people make these kinds of interpretations but they’re obviously overreacting maybe even deliberately to justify an escalation and resort to actual violence in defence of their ideology. I don’t know about the claimed decline in violence you alluded to by that author. I think violence is like global warming or cooling. It goes up here, it goes down there and overall it is either up or down depending on the methodologies with which you measure it.

  74. Just read John Keane’s write up of his interview of Julian Assange: “Lunch and dinner with Julian Assange, in prison” published today:

    http://theconversation.edu.au/lunch-and-dinner-with-julian-assange-in-prison-12234

    Keane is the professor of politics at Sydney University. It is very well written and presents a vivid image of the current state of mind of Assange. Essential reading.

  75. Vronsky,

    thanks for an interesting link. I am looking forward to the verdict. Please keep us informed about any future developments. Amusing, how the establishment gets cought in the web of its own laws.

    Craig,

    why to bother about the fake applause to Bolton? A fake like him does not deserve anything else than a fake applause. Hence, everything is as it should be. I suspect that even Boltons moustache is something he has just glued on .

  76. Karel, i suspect the Point being that, Bolton gets enhanced Fake support ( applause ) = Julian. A, is all but silenced, = the organized protest of Julian A, compared to No visible protest of Bolton

    a wee bit of the difference between War mongers, and supporters of peace/human rights. That surly is important pionts for Craig to have made

  77. to N-
    as a counterweight to the infamous Femen gang, it may surpise you that only last week, I founded a new movement called the “Semen”. Its main purpose is to spray everything sacred and everybody holding a public office with a hot ejaculate. New members are wellcome but the admission criteria are very strict. You have to hit a keyhole (the classical one normally used by peeping Toms)from the distance of two meters and a trace of the sperm has to be visible on the other side of your door. Please have a try in the privacy of your own home and very soon you will discover how difficult it is. Any donations, to be used for a good purpose, are wellcome.

  78. BrianFujisan,

    that is life Brian, that is life. I have been through all that at various conferences and my pulse no longer quickens when exposed to this kind of manipulation. Not such a long time ago there was quite a respectable profession in France called “les claqueurs”. These misers, stategially seated in a theatre or a concert hall, were payed to start applauding whenever their chief gave them a signal (dropping a newspaper or a handkerchief). perhaps OU is a carrier of this proud tradition of claqueurs.

    To be honest it is the OU that decides who is a war criminal and who is a decent man.

  79. BrianFujisan,
    having read you “explanation” again, I have the impression, but would like to be assured that I am entirely wrong, that you are trying to teach me logic. Very commendable, Brian and a really good try but I wish you used the correct symbols.

  80. BrianFujisan

    19 Feb, 2013 - 1:26 am

    A certain amount of logic could be useful if applied with human conscience…Those pesky Vulcans, but it does seem to be the case, that no humans with a conscience rule Anymore.

    I don’t quite agree that Bolton deserves ANY applause Fake or Not. And it certainly is not as it should be..(fabricated )

    I respect that you have done battle at various conference’s Karel..Its a shame how they work to Weaken our pulse, and wear good souls like you, and Craig down, But Please don’t lose heart on it all

  81. @Ben: No longer in the US, mate. Did visit Washington State though, but may I recommend the Arches National Park? It has an outstanding collection of natural structures, almost unbelievable to see. It is in Utah though, I warn you. Not that they’re bad people there, but it’s kind of tough to get a drink. (Your best bet is to crash a private members’ bar, and with any luck someone there will sign you in as their personal guest. Buy them a couple of rounds, and everyone’s happy.) Bryce Canyon is also surpassing in natural beauty if you’re in Utah. All in all, it’s one of the most incredible states.

  82. No irony whatsoever. The Mons Hall at the Royal Military Academy has been refurbished using a £3m donation from Bahrain and will be renamed the King Hamad Hall in a ceremony which Hamad will attend. How can this country sink any lower as they grovel to these oil rich dictators?

    http://rt.com/news/sandhurst-mons-rename-bahrain-457/

    In the same report – The military academy, located in Surrey also received a £15-million donation from the United Arab Emirates to build an accommodation block, which will be named after the UAE’s founding father, the late Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan.

    ~~~
    In a link on the same page, there is another report of more oppression in Bahrain.

    17.02, 06:22
    Bahrain police disperse funeral procession with tear gas, stun grenades (VIDEO, PHOTOS)

    Violent clashes broke out in Bahrain at the funeral of a teenager killed in protests marking the anniversary of the revolt of the Shiite majority against the ruling monarchy. The procession was blocked and dispersed with stun grenades and tear gas.
    http://rt.com/news/bahrain-funeral-procession-clashes-398/

  83. Wee Willy Walsh probably wishes he had not merged BA with Iberia as a week long strike by Iberia workers begins in Spain where the unemployment rate is 26%, The Iberia workers are threatened with 3800 job cuts. There were violent scenes at Madrid airport ysterday.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/18/us-iberia-strike-idUSBRE91H0H620130218

  84. “Sorry. I thought you were LAPD.”

    Not so far fetched. I was in Malta a few years ago, where shooting the migrating birds which pass over the island is a popular pastime. One intrepid hunter shot an approaching policeman. His defence? He thought it was a tourist.

  85. KarimovaRevengeFantasist

    19 Feb, 2013 - 9:06 am

    @Fred

    “A Capitalist democracy in which their oil belongs to us you mean.”

    No, I think it should be

    “A financially sound Capitalist democracy mostly funded by its own oil revenues”.

    As an alternative to the existing regime and its basket case economy, that sounds a lot better. Biden’s offer of direct talks with Khamenei’s representatives shows the USA is willing to work with the current regime (even if privately they want to be rid of it).
    You statement cleverly suggests theft and therefore that the West has immoral reasons for using force against Iran. The truth is that the West prefers to deprive the current regime of that oil revenue source and give it (no theft) to a different Iranian regime who won’t spend it on

    expanding the Iranian space program (a way to master intercontinental missile technology, useful for delivering nuclear warheads);

    developing Iranian nuclear powered submarines (the fuel needs to be enriched to 90% for that, which is similar to the level required for a nuclear bomb – this technology permits Iran to launch submarine patrols off the coast of the USA);

    funding Hezbollah and Bashar Al-Assad;

    buying UN votes from small countries to frustrate or insult the “hegemons”;

    funding terrorism (although the West/Israel or possibly MEK has presumably killed Iranian nuclear personnel);

    funding transfer of nuclear technology to any fruit cake with a grudge against the USA.

    John Bolton has been correct for years in predicting every set of talks with Iran involving the P5 + 1 will fail. The talks in Kazakhstan will fail too, just like the IAEA talks in Teheran last week did. The insults (not from you, Fred) about Bolton’s appearance simply show how challenged you all are to deal with his arguments. I didn’t know Bolton went to Yale. He has gone up massively in my estimation, just knowing that fact. The issue of the applause was maybe just done as a sign of respect. I doubt if a guy as smart as that needs to only agree to be filmed on condition applause is added.

    “Why would they want to be like us when the system they have results in a lot less people getting killed?”

    Fred, any change of Government in Iran is likely to be bloody, whether it is initiated by Iranians themselves or whether it occurs as a result of a surgical strike on Iran’s nuclear program. Because of the internal tensions in Iran, the moment any regime there cannot enforce order, all hell will break loose. Blaming that on the USA is unfair. The system they have in Iran results in less people being killed because people are too frightened to take revenge for all the injustices the system is creating. As soon as the fear is gone, unless the whole nation is given prompt psychiatric treatment to cope with what they have been through, they are likely to self-administer their own psychiatric treatment (obtain relief by settling old scores). Prof. Abbas Milani in one of his books says tenure of property and land has never been secure in Iran (going back to the Qajar dynasty?): the State can remove your rights any time it feels like it – indeed protesters in the Green movement have been silenced by having to put up their properties as a sort of bail condition: if they demonstrate again, they lose it.

    The J curve effect where order breaks down initially as a society attempts to become more democratic can be read about in Wikipedia. Iran is no exception. People on the far left of politics maybe like to ignore this and blame a lot of the deaths by violence of Iraqis on Iraqis on the allied invasion.

    The logic of your argument is Iran must not change because the death cost is too high. We shouldn’t have declared war on Nazi Germany because with hindsight the death cost was high. The death cost in the Iranian Revolution (I have no idea what the figures were despite being there) was probably quite low simply because the Shah was quite a nice man (he had his faults too, and he had cancer, and he had to suffer criticism from the West too perhaps ensured he gave in easily like Mubarak did). The dictatorial regimes that are allies of America usually do give in more easily. Iran isn’t so the bloodshed will be terrible.

  86. Life, or actually death, as it exists in a failed capitalist economy like all the others in the Western world.

    ‘Spanish woman set self afire at bank’
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/02/19/289703/spanish-woman-set-self-afire-at-bank/

    That report brought to us by Press TV, the Iranian news channel, whose broadcasts have been shut down by the very democratic, NOT, Western powers. Thankfully we can still access it online, for the time being that is.

  87. @Ben carlsbad caverns are massive and awesome, I have visited them and the bats living in them are something to behold of, like they all want to fly off together and come in together, hundreds of thousands.

    Whilst down that end, have a slope down the levy for some tex-Mex folk music, but take good care, its right next to the border and can get a bit leady.

    Agree with both of you, Grand Canyon is breath taking, did not go down to the Colorado river, we were on the fear and loathing trail to Vegas. Las Vegas, ‘the meadows’, the only thing green is watered and manicured grass, it has got to be the most unsustainable City in the world.

  88. …..whether it occurs as a result of a surgical strike on Iran’s nuclear program… two posts above.

    ‘Surgical strikes’ only happen in hospital operating theatres in this country where the object is to save life or to mend or cure.

    We also prefer the English spelling of program, not the American one.

  89. doug scorgie

    19 Feb, 2013 - 9:46 am

    KarimovaRevengeFantasist
    18 Feb, 2013 – 12:37 pm

    You don’t cite any examples, you don’t give references and you don’t supply links.

    “…the regime in Iran can’t survive without invoking a common enemy…” “…That fact may be the reason why it is difficult to build trust between the two countries…”

    So it is a “fact” not your opinion then.

    “Burying vast numbers of centrifuges…”

    Considering the fact that Israel has openly threatened to bomb the nuclear processing plants, it makes sense to keep them buried don’t you think?

    “…centrifuges capable of making far more enriched uranium than is necessary to make medical isotopes…”

    Iran Is Said to Convert Enriched Uranium to Reactor Fuel

    Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium is believed by Western negotiators and international inspectors to be of far lower purity than is required to make nuclear weapons. Diplomats in Vienna said on Tuesday that enriched uranium converted into reactor fuel is hard to convert into fuel for weapons.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/13/world/middleeast/iran-converts-enriched-uranium-to-reactor-fuel-reports-say.html?_r=0

    “In a memorable interview the Swiss ambassador to Iran said on CNN when talking about what it was like to be hauled into the Foreign Ministry and shouted at, she said they don’t always tell you everything: you have to interpret things and this makes the job more interesting.”

    Again, no references or links.

    “The justification for Israel having a nuclear bomb I suppose is that they have a right to exist…”

    Doesn’t Iran have a right to exist?

    “…and if the most cost effective way of defending their small population (they can’t have a big army?) is to have a nuclear deterrent then who am I to say they shouldn’t have it…”

    Israel has an active armed force of 176,500 a reserve force of 565,000 and a paramilitary force of 8,050. That is a total of 749,550 available forces personnel.

    By contrast the United Kingdom has a total of 410,180.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel

    To date, the United States has provided Israel $115 billion in aid mostly for weapons and military equipment. Obama has promised $3.1 billion in military aid just for this year (2013).

    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

    “The fact they [Israel] are an open society (unlike Iran) and therefore are unlikely to behave irresponsibly…”

    You’re having a laugh aren’t you; Israel unlikely to behave irresponsibly?

    What about Operation Cast Lead; murder on the Mavi Marmara; political assassinations and the Samson Option?

    The “Iran has never declared war on anyone before” argument

    “This is true, but changing just a few of the words to “never attacked anyone before…”

    Why do you feel the need to change the words?

    “…of course changes the answer if you think Iran had a hand in the Beirut barracks bombing or the blowing up of the Argentine Jewish Centre, (I don’t know if it did, if I am honest).”

    If you don’t know, why mention it?

    “And it is true that Iranians have justifiable grievances against the West…the shooting down of an Iranian airliner full of pilgrims flying over a US warship in the Persian Gulf a long time ago. I haven’t followed that story nor the one about all the Iranian assets belonging to the Shah’s regime that are still in the West.”

    You admit to not knowing much about Mossadegh, you haven’t followed the story of Iran Air flight 655 or the whereabouts of Iran’s assets stolen by the late Shah and his regime. Yet you like to portray yourself as some sort of expert in Middle East affairs particularly relating to Israel and Iran.

    “…they [Iran] would seek to destroy the economic viability of Israel…”

    Isn’t that what Israel, the EU and the USA are trying to do to Iran?

    “Anyway, I don’t expect I’ve converted anyone to my views (not academic enough evidence presented).”

    I would say… no evidence provided for your views.

    You present yourself as some humble person trying to put modest opinions across and apologise for “not being academic enough.”

    I’m sure you are academic enough (if you want to be) but you are merely playing games on this blog.

  90. “The logic of your argument is Iran must not change because the death cost is too high. We shouldn’t have declared war on Nazi Germany because with hindsight the death cost was high.”

    But Germany was the aggressor, we didn’t just decide to declare war on Germany, it was a result of German imperialism, Germany invaded Poland.

    Iran isn’t imperialist, they haven’t invaded anyone, it is we in the west who are imperialist. It is we who invaded Iraq, it is we who invaded Afghanistan and it is we who have our sights set on Iran so we can start putting hotels on them.

    Iran had a democratic government, we overthrew that government and installed a dictator for no other reason than they nationalised their oil.

    Take a look at the Collateral Murder video released thanks to Wikileaks, those are American troops sent to Iraq to murder Iraqi civilians including children. Take a look at the photos from Abu Ghraib, those are American troops torturing Iraqi people in Iraq.

    It is we who are the Germany, we who have the Gestapo, we who are the aggressors.

  91. “Fred, any change of Government in Iran is likely to be bloody, whether it is initiated by Iranians themselves or whether it occurs as a result of a surgical strike on Iran’s nuclear program”

    Utter conjecture, its either this or that option. No it is not. because western interference in consecutive elections in Persia, we have seen elections that were violent. We have seen a lot of violence directed towards Irans civil nuclear programm, cowards committing drive by killings, or by laying exploding devices in highly dangerous facilities. A lot of violence from exterior sources.

    Iran is a young country, many want modernity and what we have, for that they don’t need to be toppled, diplomatic discourse will also get us there.

    Lastly there are enough sabre rattlers already distorting reality without Karimova R.F. excellent work on behalf of the western, Israel centric chaos construction club.
    ‘I’m only interested in Uzbekistan affairs’, my arse, go fool somebody else not just yourself.

  92. RevengeFantasist: “The logic of your argument is Iran must not change because the death cost is too high. We shouldn’t have declared war on Nazi Germany because with hindsight the death cost was high.(…)Iran isn’t [nice] so the bloodshed will be terrible”

    So prejudiced: falsely associating Iran with Nazi Germany, and generalising declarations of war (which seem craved on Iran here), with the example of a country which was blizkreiging its way through Europe before the grave declaration was made.

  93. @Ex Pat – many thanks for the link to Peter Dale Scott’s piece on Breivik, in text rather than audio. I’ll read it properly before maybe responding.

  94. Excellent interview with Feliz Narvaez, Ecuador’s Consul to the UK. He talks about Correa’s recent victory and of having to sleep at the embassy for two months, it not being safe to leave Assange alone there at nights due to the threat of the police and security services stationed outside:

    http://www.theprisma.co.uk/2013/02/18/fidel-narvaez-“julian-assange-and-ecuador-will-hold-out-for-as-long-as-they-need-to”/

    Takeaway quote: “He’s a pleasant person to deal with…”

    Not recognisable as the same man we hear of from our beloved mainstream press then.

    Interesting things going on over on the Why I’m Convinced Anna Ardin is a Liar thread. It seems Goran Rudling is somehow involved in Assange being refused Swedish residency back in late August 2010. The idea behind the residency application was to give Wikileaks (the appearance of) even more legal cover for its publishing activities.

    http://www.theprisma.co.uk/2013/02/18/fidel-narvaez-“julian-assange-and-ecuador-will-hold-out-for-as-long-as-they-need-to”/

    For anyone who wants to take a look.

  95. @Karel – agreed there is a funny side to Femen, but I’m not as one-handed about it as you are! :) Advertising specialists know all about using (or coining) words that conjure up associations with other words, including subliminally, so I think the association you make use of was intended.

    I find it amusing to think of them disrupting something at St Giles’s Cathedral on Princes Street in Edinburgh. The looks on some of the Church of Scotland’s elders’ faces would be priceless.

    Or how about taking the shuttle across to Glasgow and disrupting a protestant Orange Walk, wearing sashes? Be good to protest against a Republican band on the same day, though.

    Or do something outside the English freemasons’ Grand Lodge on Great Queen Street in London? I’m sure it wouldn’t take long for the money men who run Femen to realise that freemasonic exclusion of women gives them a sex-pol angle, or to devise a use of clothing to please the photo editors. Lights, aprons, action! I mean freemasons enjoy baring their own right breasts, don’t they? (Any wives of freemasons who are unaware of what their menfolk get up to with other menfolk, well I’m afraid it involves getting their nipples out…but only their right ones, mind. And their knees. Kinky sods.)

    Except…Femen isn’t fundamentally about amusement. It’s serious and very well-funded propaganda. It would be a big mistake to read their campaign as if it’s mounted by genuine people who actually believe something and want to make things better by reducing the weight of oppression. (Yes, even if Pussy Riot quote Guy Debord in their speeches in court.)

    Look at how the role of Christianity in politico-social propaganda is developing and being contested by different rackets in Russia; the flavour of their Islamophobia, which seems to express as much contempt for women brought up in Muslim cultures as for the male traditionalist bosses of those cultures; and the sheer ridiculousness of these globe-trotting stage-performing women in their early 20s, with their long blonde hair and their Hollywood-idealised body shapes, supposedly protesting about ‘phobia’ against male homos. I wonder how many people are going to change their minds about male homos by watching these young women with their knockers out?

    Big picture: they are building up the guff that posits ‘everyone doing what they want’ as the ‘alternative’ to ‘staid reactionary traditionalism’. There’s money in that. Look at the music sector. Gambling. Money-lending. Night clubs. Penny dropping? Look at how average attention span has fallen below 60 seconds. Are we with the Cambridge Footlights Revue or are we with the ‘upper class twits’? Press the red button [1] now, viewers!

    The crazy thing is… (and we should expect crazy things, because we live in crazy social conditions which are getting crazier)… as poverty increases in ‘advanced’ countries, religion is bound to strengthen here, not weaken.

    Note

    (1) This reference may be out-of-date, given that I haven’t had a TV for more than 20 years! :)

  96. KarimovaRevengeFantasist

    19 Feb, 2013 - 10:56 am

    @Guano

    “The techniques of de-Islamising societies is an ancient Satanic science, not something invented yesterday by a few expired neo-cons like Bolton and Bush.”

    I don’t have the knowledge to disagree with anything you say except that I can’t find fault with anything Bolton says. I have watched lots of his interviews on Iran on Foxnews (he is a paid consultant of theirs, and is on nearly every week). Foxnews is an appallingly biased “news” channel (although I share most of the views it does). I always thought Bolton was correct on every issue to do with Iran, but of course I thought his views on Europeans were those of a – well I think you can guess. It is only after reading the posts on this blog that I realise why, so of course he has gone up even more in my estimation. It is an irony I never bother reading much on UK politics and that I have learnt a truth of sorts from Bolton about my own countrymen, one which I was ignorant about.

  97. @Mary 7.32pm Interesting how the Torygraph presents Google as if that company can decide what websites do and don’t get ‘funded’.

    Remember, folks, if you’re saying something on the internet, it’s because Google spends its valuable resources to allow you to! Be naughty and the mighty Google will take your privileges away?

    If anyone is in any doubt about Google, please try the following experiment:

    1) Browse to their web search page
    2) Think of a name. Doesn’t matter whether you use a real name or a made-up one. I’ll use “#######” below.
    3) Think of an ethnicity – ooh, say “French” or “Islamic” or whatever. I’ll use “*******” below.
    4) Search on “#######” AND “*******”.
    5) What do you see? An ordinary list of search results, right?
    6) OK, now do the same with “#######” AND “Jewish”.
    7) What do you see? Another ordinary list of results, right? Wrong! Scroll down. You should get a link at the bottom entitled “Offensive Search Results”. If for some reason you don’t, here it is. Quote: “P.S. You may be interested in some additional information the Anti-Defamation League has posted about this issue”

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