96 thoughts on “Edinburgh Islamophobia Conference

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  • Mary

    Good luck Craig and look after yourself. I admire your energy and commitment in spite of your health concerns.

    Obomber has been speaking on Israel’s Channel 2, upping the anti Iran rhetoric, again.

    In interview with Israeli TV, Obama says Iran a year away from attaining nuclear weapon
    By Associated Press,
    March 14

    JERUSALEM — Iran is about a year away from developing a nuclear weapon and the United States remains committed to doing everything in its power to prevent that from happening, President Barack Obama said in an exclusive interview aired Thursday on Israeli TV.

    Just days before he is to arrive in Israel for his first presidential visit, Obama told Israel’s Channel 2 TV that while he still prefers diplomacy over force, but that a nuclear Iran is a “red line” and all options remain on the table to stop it.

    /..
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/in-interview-with-israeli-tv-obama-says-iran-a-year-away-from-attaining-nuclear-weapon/2013/03/14/12b4677c-8cd5-11e2-adca-74ab31da3399_story.html

  • November

    Curious affair that hatred of Islam and Muslims is coined to be “Islamophobia” whilst any kind of unkind remarks towards certain other groups is considered anti… , hate speech, genocidal intent, old enmities etc.

    Fact that post the collapse of the Soviet Union, the hate apparatus so assiduously assembled to rubbish the “commie bastards” turned to find a new enemy, and presto found it in the Muslims, and before long the al qaeda became to be the operating arm of these dastardly Muslims bent on world domination. The absurdity of this simple narrative that shadows the lines of the man from uncle series; SMASH replaced by al qaeda, with an ever unfolding narrative of al qaeda being an international organisation of evil based on the evil doctrine of Islam that is ran by the evil Muslims then is explained away as the “fear of Islam”.

    Even the progressives who intend to fight this patent bigotry then fall into the trap of trying to enlighten the world and allay their “fears” about Islam. Fact that there is a whole industry of hate that ranges from the movies ran in theatres, news clips ran on the TV to the vast column inches of the hate speech in print in addition to the unlicensed scatology of the internet blogs all working in unison to propagate and reinforce the hatred of all thing Muslim somewhat going unnoticed and in fact being tolerated.

    The racist sub-contexts along with the hate constructs set in place have coalesced into an acceptable form of hatred that yields hatred of Muslims to be expressed freely and without much shame or let.

    As in Orwell’s “politics and English language”, perhaps it is time to clarify that it is not fear of Islam that is the issue (that in fact legitimises the current wave of hatred towards Muslims), it is the outright hatred of Muslims and “Coloureds” that is the issue.

  • Haemoglobin

    Living in Edinburgh as I do I would love to attend, but unfortunately I have a very busy day tomorrow doing other things I can’t get out of doing. More notice next time please Craig! And good luck with the conference and with whatever else you’re up to while you’re here.

  • Mary

    Very well said and researched John Goss. She is indeed a very dangerous woman and is being aided in her prime ministerial ambitions by slippery Farage and his UKIP brigade who scaremonger on immigration.

    There is a new ‘I’ bogey word in the lexicon now, Immigrant.

    I was assisted by a helpful young man in a Homebase yesterday when trying to find a wheelbarrow tyre. The tyre places round here do not want to be bothered mending a puncture in the inner tube and I cannot remove the outer cover to do it myself.

    Anyway he located the one tyre they had in stock and took me up to the till to get the price, which was very reasonable. I had found out from him that he was on IDS’s Work Experience scheme and got no salary from Homebase, just his ‘job seeker’s allowance’ from the DWP, as the pittance is called

    How degrading and demoralizing for a skilled man (he is a mechanic) to be treated like this!

    I commented to the till assistant how helpful her colleague had been and awful this workfare scheme was and that there no jobs. All she could say was that there were no jobs because there were too many immigrants and they had taken all the jobs! I remonstrated with her but I could see I was not making any impression.

    In another store where I was trying to find non-GM chicken pellets, I was helped by another young man with one of those lovely smiles. He is a special needs teacher and because of the Surrey CC cuts, is now working on a till. Shocking isn’t it.

    The ones who blame the immigrants never blame the bankers and their pals in Whitehall.

  • guano

    If some Muslims, especially amongst those who do not work and mix with ordinary UK folk, put behind them their chips on their shoulders about being oppressed by this country and behaved decently and honestly to its present inhabitants, then most of the Islamophobia would I believe disappear.

    The Chips on the shoulder about the past seem to survive the acquisition of several huge houses ( in some cases ) + free education from primary to post-graduate, + houses and property abroad, + large families. One Muslim brother recently said to me that he used to wish that all the ‘gora’ ended up begging for pence in the streets of Karachi. Engineering degree, 6 children, reasonable job, own house, early 40s. How does this racism come across to non-Muslims if I as a Muslim find it shocking. It is actually the affluence of the rest of his Muslim family that evokes these sour grapes, not the wretched lives of his English neighbours.

    I would not judge them if they did not judge us. But the fact is that most of the Asian mosque administrations or their colleagues who attend, are in the business of the highly destructive and haram activity of spying on other Muslims, many for the benefits they obtain from UK government agencies. This is not like the electronic intifada where the spying is against the multi-billion dollar funded israeli state, but against simple people who have no=one else to turn to after coming into Islam or being born Muslims, other than the responsible mosque people. Their behaviour of spying disgusts me as much as Straw. There is after all no law stopping Straw from lying about abusing his fellow human beings. Why not spy on Straw’s private life, instead of interfering with UK Muslims?

    It is not Islamophobia that is the problem. It is cannibalism and dog eat dog within the Muslim community. No apologies.

  • November

    The Chips on the shoulder about the past seem to survive the acquisition of several huge houses ( in some cases ) + free education from primary to post-graduate, + houses and property abroad, + large families.

    Where do you live mate? What free post graduate education? What kind of a free university education? As regards the primary and secondary education; it barely is sufficient for the kids to come out managing to write their name and add up their fingers and toes.

    Your unapologetic attack on some ill educated and illiterate samples whom happen to be put under the screws to spy for the various (768 agencies no less) on the fellow Muslims disgust you, yet the system that bears down on the said spies to spy on the ordinary Muslims does not concern you? Don’t you think you have gone native and in fact you are only echoing the racist sentiments of those anti Muslims?

    The fact that the so called religious leadership is all too ready to be so cooperative in shopping the next Muslim in their flock can be understood from the stories such as this:

    Hate cleric Abu Hamza’s hook hand to be replaced with a ‘spork’

    The stenographer Jessica Chasmar- of The Washington Times waxes lyrical about the fact that the authorities have removed his hook for fears of security threat. This cretin however forgets to mention to her readership that Hamza has stumps for both hands and without his hooks as his lawyers have stated he will have difficulty in feeding himself or even going to toilet (torture at its finest).

    Further reading the comment sections the blind hatred of the emotionally charged retards whom have no idea about the object of their hatred, nonetheless start pouring bile and engaging in who can hate the best competition.

    With Muslims like you mate, Muslims need precious few enemies. So far as the rest of your generalisations go, there is not enough time to respond in this blog. However, having read your assessment of the Assad, and Syrians struggle for keeping their country free from the mercenaries of Eric Prince (ex blackwater chief) operating out of Qatar and getting his money from the pederast sheikhs. That you seem to be against Assad and his “murderous” regime.

    What kind of a Muslim are you, if in fact you are not posing as a Muslim, and ranting away in this blog and elsewhere?

  • guano

    The Muslims who I recently worked for spend all week lying and cheating, then rush off to the super orthodox hadith mosque to get their Friday prayers certificate of integrity. Compulsory attendance, you have to be seen attending the correct sermon’s racist agenda. All the other Muslims and all the other non-Muslims are going to the Hell-fire except our tiny little group that has nurtured hatred for the British for two centuries when the East India Company dominated India.

    Aangirfan has recently exposed the fact that the majority of the bankers and directors of the East India company were Jewish, same as the majority of the bankers and owners of the Slave Trade from Africa were Jewish, same as most of the bankers and directors of world banking today, the same group of people who shelter inside the safety of the leafy suburbs of the UK and get the blame for the genocides and barbarities they orchestrate passed onto the English nation, as is happening at this present time in Syria. The Muslims are supposed to be a people of discernment and truth-seeking, but they are quite content to hide under the banner of Islamophobia. Western people are absolutely fed up of taking the blame for their governments being blackmailed into bombing and droning and creating civil wars. If the Muslims cannot understand the difference between the people and the Zionjist controlled governments WHILE THEY ARE ACTUALLY LIVING IN THE WEST AND KEEPING THEIR MOUTHS SHUT ABOUT WESTERN FOREIGN POLICY, who is there to speak the truth for them?

    I want to add this to my blast against spying in the Muslim community. The Muslims are aware of the history of marriage-break-up in my family and they are feeling the pain of their own marriages breaking up in this non-Muslim society. They know the rule of Islam that they should only live in the surroundings of an Islamic community. They chose to be here to avoid the havoc created in their own countries. After they have made it clear that they are watching you because you are an outsider, not apke, one of your own people, they threaten you that what they find you doing will affect how they treat you. If they find something they don’t like, such as criticism, they will make life hard for you, in your private and work life. But they never think that their spying on you also has an undermining effect on you and your psychology. They blib on about the UK persecuting them, but they never look at their own selves and their own behaviour.

    If you go to another country, you have to prepare your mind for the conditions of that country, its strengths, its weaknesses, its drawbacks and bonusses. Never never never forget that we did not choose our governments or their foreign policy, and those who came here chose to come here. They constantly try to deal with what they do not like about the historical and present and future oppression by our governments of the Muslims by scapegoating the English ordinary people and accusing them of being racist. The mosques are cess-pits of collective racism and that’s the way the government wants to keep the narrative by allowing conferences on Islamophobia.

    Muslims seem to think that the English have forgotten all the bad things we have personally done to them. They cannot change government policy themselves any more than we can. We didn’t do Iraq. We didn’t do Libya. The Muslims find it necessary to preserve the narrative that the English people are all criminal oppressors of Islam in order to justify to themselves the lies, scams, racisms and crimes they continuously perpetrate on the English people. Why do they buy the government narrative so unquestionably. Why do they buy the narrative of being victims of English society, when they are actually the victims of Zionist/English government? And they don’t have the guts to call a spade, a spade. Why do they flock to listen to the Caribbean Imam? because his narrative of hatred is rightfully more racist and more divisive than their own Asian one. Why do they choose a more divisive narrative than their own? We are witness in our lifetimes to the crimes committed openly in war, the rape the torture, the displacement, the daily murder. The whole world is aware that what is taking place in Iraq and Syria is what the British did before. So why do they choose the narrative that comes from the slave-trade? Check out who funded that abomination before putting the blame on the citizens of the UK of 2013.

    The rhetoric of Islamophobia is a tool of the establishment to shunt the blame for their unspeakable crimes onto ordinary UK citizens. Check it out.

  • The CE

    “What kind of Muslim are you?”

    That’s exactly the kind of attitude that creates the problems we have today. Westerners trying to impose on Muslims how we think they should behave. Utterly nonsensical.

    Who says there is a ‘correct’ way for a Muslim to behave?

    The Islamaphobia Industry is also happily pursued by the community ‘leaders’, 99% of them elderly males with little compression of the choices faced by young people today.

  • John Goss

    Mary at 10.01 a.m. My heart goes out to all young people who have to work on the Cameron work-for-nothing schemes. Our P.M. is not much different from Karimov. The work experience is not much different from slavery. There are no jobs at the end of these forced labour initiatives. There are only a certain number of jobs in the country and vacancies are going down, not up. You do not have to be a mathematician. A kindly employer might offer somebody work if a) a vacancy is available b) they want to reward willingness – but this is not willingness, those on these schemes have no option.

  • November

    The Muslims who I recently worked for spend all week lying and cheating, then rush off to the super orthodox hadith mosque to get their Friday prayers certificate of integrity.

    Your sample population of shirkers and pretenders is in fact reflective of the majority of the Muslims and really shows the swine that they are?

    What kind of an unreasonable and out of whack, angry, confused statement is that?

    You are not answering the earlier questions put to you. Further, you then come back with the same rant and then some about the racist Muslims hating the English? So fact that the poor “coloured” kid is called : “oi, Abdul White”, “oi Kemosabe” , his mother or sister wearing Niqab getting spat on, and getting attacked, and verbally abused, or getting set upon because he is a “Paki Bastard” play no part in the minds of the Muslims and their nurtured chip on their shoulders?

    I put to you again, where do you live mate?

    Your basic mistakes about the English way of life somehow excludes you from living in UK, that by default excludes you from opining about the racist Muslims hating the English instead of the zionists?

    Come clean mate and don’t dance around the issues, answer the questions and let us come to some kind of a conclusion, instead of the usual scatological blunderbuss approach of covering all the angles except the angle that matters; the endemic and routine hatred of Muslims in UK, Europe and the West.

  • guano

    Nevermind
    I was referring to a man of my own age 50 + who has received an OBE and who like me received a free University education.
    What kind of a Muslim am I. I am one who has rejected the lies of my own culture and class and discovered that the Muslims aspire strenuously to be the same as those I have chosen to leave.

    I have described their aspirations to be like the old occupants of the disgusting British Raj, like a dog sniffing the hormones of another dead dog. The colonial class is extinct praise be to God, but I have to witness the disgusting spectacle of my brothers in Islam dreaming about how to achieve the same arrogance, wealth, power and distaste for humanity. Again , no apologies.

  • guano

    November

    I live in the centre of the largest Muslim population in Europe.
    I have never experienced any of the racism you describe because we are the majority in our community. I believe that where such racism exists, such as in Stoke-on Trent, it is partly because the Muslims are seen frequenting places of disrepute, dealing in haram, taking advantage in the Rochdale habit of grooming English women, and generally setting a bad example. Don’t forget that lying smoothly about a second hand car counts as setting a bad example of Islam. promising to do something and not delivering their side of the deal counts as setting a bad example.

    Allah says in the Qur’an that those Muslims live amongst non-Muslims who set a bad example to the non-Muslims will have two punishments: one for not practising Islam properly and 2 for not showing people a good example.

    Apart from that my point is that the Muslims all know the principle of divide and rule. Why do they not comprehend that the ignorant who have been fed Islamophobic trash by the Zionist media, and whose brethren have been killed or maimed in Afghanistan, and who insult Muslims in the way you described, are being manipulated by the war criminals to take the flack for their war crimes. The Zionist media has divided the ordinary citizens on religious/ethnic/cultural lines so that the focus is on community tension and away from the rape, torture, theft, murder that the Zionist backed UK government are doing across the Muslim world.

    There is no excuse for the Muslims to fall into the trap of Divide and Rule. Equal opportunities is rubbish because it does not permit Islamic practises to operate in the workplace. Muslims are free to abandon their own rules. Big deal. Islamophobia is crasp because it only serves to distract from our common enemy the governments that pour money into the Zionist agenda of weakening the Islamic world.

  • doug scorgie

    Guano
    15 Mar, 2013 – 12:18 pm

    “If some Muslims, especially amongst those who do not work and mix with ordinary UK folk, put behind them their chips on their shoulders about being oppressed by this country and behaved decently and honestly to its present inhabitants, then most of the Islamophobia would I believe disappear.”

    You’re having a laugh again Guano.

    Also, you seem to hate Asian Muslims why so?

  • John Goss

    Mary (2.18 p.m.) thanks for the link. I tried to point out that the one in Craig’s post is not working but I guess he did not get time to read it.

  • doug scorgie

    November
    15 Mar, 2013 – 1:06 pm

    To Guano:

    “With Muslims like you mate, Muslims need precious few enemies.”

    Yes November. I have posted on other threads about Guano and his rantings. I suspect he is not a Muslim at all; I could be wrong but for some reason he disparages Asian Muslims and makes distasteful comments about Jews.

    He says, 15 Mar, 2013 – 1:20 pm:

    “Aangirfan has recently exposed the fact that the majority of the bankers and directors of the East India company were Jewish, same as the majority of the bankers and owners of the Slave Trade from Africa were Jewish…”

    I think his agenda is to elicit kneejerk responses from users of this blog, comments that could be construed to be racist against Muslims or Jews, which could bring this blog into disrepute.

  • November

    I have to witness the disgusting spectacle of my brothers in Islam dreaming about how to achieve the same arrogance, wealth, power and distaste for humanity. Again , no apologies.

    Throughout your statements, you hold Muslims to a higher standards of behaviour and self control. Let us clarify a few facts;

    Without getting too technical for none Muslims sake, do we agree that anyone who recites a certain verse of Quran is a Muslim, and in fact becoming a Muslim is even easier than applying for the Readers Digest Membership? Islam unlike the other faiths does not require a whole lot of rituals and pomp and ceremony for joining it.

    Given that different people find different reasons for joining Islam, is it not futile to question their motives and reasons for being a Muslim?

    Furthermore, as in any walk of life different people will use Islam for different ends and outcomes, there are those whom wish to attain a higher enlightenment, and there are those whom intend to sell insurance on the back of the Friday prayer.

    To condemn any of the Muslims is not the duty or task of Muslims, for condemnation is not a constructive criticism that is the given in Islam. In simple words to guide and advise fellow Muslims is the duty of every Muslim, and not wholesale denouncement and questioning of the motives and intentions of each other, with a view to establishing who is the best Muslim around.

    Islam is currently under a massive onslaught of attacks because it remains to be the only unifying force in an otherwise disparate and dislocated “Umma” (Islamic Nation, as in the Red Indian Nation, the whole bally lot of the Muslims). The fact that post the destruction of the Ottoman empire the resultant rise of various leaders, whom were put into positions of the leadership for the sake of running the natives as per the orders from upon high in London and elsewhere, somehow escapes your attention. Despite the fact that you hold the Englishmen to be not guilty of the crimes that has been perpetrated among the Nation of Islam by their government, yet you then proceed to charge the individual Muslims with guilt of racism, duplicity, and interloping with bad faith among the Englishmen.

    Your disappointment from some of the fellow Muslims, has resulted in your rejection of a genuine problem that is facing the Muslims in their daily lives. Unlike the Community Trust Fund there are no organisations to keep a tally of the attacks on Muslims, the appalling fact is even police forces do not compile records of attacks on Muslims, and in the current hostile climate of Muslim hating the daily attacks on Muslims are going unreported in the “Media” as well as the disheartened Muslims are reluctant to even report the attacks if these are not resulting in the loss of life and limb.

    You have in your frustration wrapped up all manner of grievances and then come to blame the Muslims for their own plight. This is not right, or logical, or fair for that matter. You have a naive expectation that every Muslim ought to be adhering to the highest standard of conduct, and failing that, they have asked for what they get!

    Fact that there will be individuals who will trade in traitorous behaviour is a given, in fact there are those who are making a living out of setting up various “foundations” and “institutes” taking the official Muslim bashing policies and then endorsing it. Then there are those who will set themselves up as the “community leaders” and get on with shoving their nose in the trough. It is natural, for without these agents, the forces of parasitic The City will not succeed in subjugating the “Umma” . Parasites always play on local agents to survive in the host body, it is nature.

    So for you to blame and admonish the ill educated, underprivileged Muslim population that has been forced to flee their own native lands because of the economic austerity brought on by syphoning of the local resources to coffers of their oppressors. For these mogrants intent on eking a marginally better lives through honest or dishonest means among foreign populations is a sad indictment of the degree of the hatred that has become so prevalent that now even Muslims hate themselves.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    I must say that in my own, possibly limited experience I don’t have much of a feeling that UK Muslims have a chip on their shoulder. There are, to be sure, a lot of disaffected Muslim youngsters around – as there are a lot of disaffected non-Muslims youngsters. And probably for the same (good) reasons.

  • craig Post author

    Guano

    “Aangirfan has recently exposed the fact that the majority of the bankers and directors of the East India company were Jewish, same as the majority of the bankers and owners of the Slave Trade from Africa were Jewish, same as most of the bankers and directors of world banking today”

    That is completely untrue, Guano. A tiny percentage of East India company directors were Jewish, and a tiny percentage of African slave owners. There are more scots than Jewish international bank directors.

    Fuck off with the racist nonsense.

  • November

    ……. for some reason he disparages Asian Muslims and makes distasteful comments about Jews.

    I have been reading the somewhat confused and conflicting contributions of the said individual, fact that on one hand he states the obvious manipulation of the masses by the “Media” with their zionist propensities, and then goes on to recite the headlines form the Sun and the Express and Evening standard is a puzzle. This is reflected in the references to Rochdale etc. the jingoistic and customary vehicles of propagating hatred against Muslims in UK.

    Further, he seems to be blissfully unaware of the pressures that the Muslim population is facing in their daily lives in UK and elsewhere in the West. He has a parochial view of the world that somehow is at odds with reality for anyone remotely familiar with the plight of the Muslims experiencing the waves of accepted hatred on a daily basis.

    However these confusing facet aside, then there are the anti Jew remarks that are probably rooted in the anti zionist world view he holds, fact that zionism is as much representative of Jews as is al qaeda representative of the Muslims aside, this to me indicates either a very clever psyop interloper trolling away, or a very frustrated and angry man who is lost in his own hatreds and grievances.

  • guano

    Craig

    A bigger mind than yours has informed us about the Jews. You deny Him, so it’s not surprising you also deny me.

  • BrianFujisan

    Ethnic Minorities Probably Know far more than we in the uk do, about what is going on in thier mother lands, (or parents, and Grandparents mother Lands ) whilst those of us concerned about international violations, and war mongering by the west, have sift through Alternative media outlets – Muslims must hear of much horrors first hand from folks back home.

    Any way GOOD to see the UN finding some balls over US drone attacks in Pakistan

    http://rt.com/news/pakistan-sovereignty-us-drone-318/

  • November

    A bigger mind than yours has informed us about the Jews. You deny Him, so it’s not surprising you also deny me.

    Oh so Pamela Geller and Atlas Shrugs off sort of remark there mate.

    Jews have the Torah you know, as you know Allah/God/Lord/Jehovah sent it too, and yes there are good Jews and bad Jews, as there are good Muslims and bad Muslims and then there is the good and bad Christians, Buddhists, Persons, ……

    In fact if it were not for the bad people good people would not be getting as much credit some would maintain.

  • technicolour

    doesn’t sound like the Guano from yesterday (‘cotton’ thread p 2). wassup?

  • The CE

    Hmmmm, afraid I don’t think much of those sharing a Platform with you Craig. Bunglawala and Yvonne Ridley! 😯

    Bungles has a somewhat dodgy record and a huge self interest in promoting this myth of Islamaphobia, as it keeps him in his prominent and unnecessary position of power. Institutions such as the MCB serve only to exacerbate inter community relations and their raison d’etre seems to be to promote further division with our society. But do press him on Gay rights if you get the chance Craig.

    Where to even start with Ridley, a fully paid up member of the Iranian governments propaganda wing. Ridley is a prime example of someone who gets away without scrutiny and confrontation because journalists, interviewers and presenters are always too soft, too frightened, or too ignorant to pick her up on her nonsense.

    I can’t imagine for a second Craig that someone such as yourself believes that any religion should be above, or immune to, criticism and mockery. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems to me that Islam is way too thin skinned as a religion and to indulge this trait even further will only lead to more problems.

  • The CE

    A bigger mind than yours has informed us about the Jews. You deny Him, so it’s not surprising you also deny me.

    Laugh or Cry?

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